Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I recently had a massage with the above mix.I tried to make up some my self w/ alcohol but the grapefruit dissipates really fast being that it's as top note. Any ideas as to a fixative that won't take away from the nice freash scent. Thanks Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 > > I recently had a massage with the above mix.I tried to make up some my > self w/ alcohol but the grapefruit dissipates really fast being that > it's as top note. Any ideas as to a fixative that won't take away from > the nice freash scent. > Thanks Al Hi Al, You sound like you*re from the Mid Ohio Valley! Clary sage (3 drops to 20 drops of your mixture) would be a decent answer, but you wouldn*t like it. Of course cédrat would be the ideal fixative, because it*s a citrus heart/base note but not available as yet. I would add 3 drops of glycerin to 20 drops of your mixture. Or if you*re adventuresome try to add one drop frankincense and 4 drops bigarade to 20 drops of your mixture. Better yet, wait until someone like Ayala Sender responds. n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 At 02:40 PM 2/22/2006, you wrote: >I recently had a massage with the above mix.I tried to make up some my >self w/ alcohol but the grapefruit dissipates really fast being that >it's as top note. Any ideas as to a fixative that won't take away from >the nice freash scent. OK, Al, I'm confused. You got a massage with an alcohol-based blend? Alcohol " rubs " are sometimes given to patients in hospitals when they need a bit of a rubifacient and cleansing procedure, but I think you should put the aromatics in an oil base for a massage. Half your fixative problem would be solved there. patchouli is a marvelous fixative for lavender, use a 1:3 ratio, then as much grapefruit as your heart desires. Anya http://.com The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume / Join to study natural perfumery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 OOps, No,The massage was in an oil base. The scent hung together well but it dissipates in the alcohla. Thanks Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 The Mid ohio Valley? Did my accent give me up? But seriously, I don't get it. Also cédrat? What's that? Thanks for the reply I'll try it. al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 > > > The Mid ohio Valley? Did my accent give me up? But seriously, I don't > get it. Also cédrat? What's that? > Thanks for the reply I'll try it. > al > Al, it was just a first impression with no offense. There are photos of cédrat (citron) in the photos section of the group and many earlier posts on cédrat. n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 > > > I tried to make up some my > > self w/ alcohol but the grapefruit dissipates really fast being that > > it's as top note. Any ideas as to a fixative that won't take away from > > the nice freash scent. > > Thanks Al > > > Hi Al, > > > Clary sage (3 drops to 20 drops of your mixture) would be a decent > answer, but you wouldn*t like it. Of course cédrat would be the ideal > fixative, because it*s a citrus heart/base note but not available as > yet. So, cédrat is not only amazingly good smelling but also a heart/base note! What a shame that it is so close to impossible sourcing it... I have petitgrain cedrat and it's very special. My favourite petitgrain by the way. > Better yet, wait until someone > like Ayala Sender responds. > > n Thanks for the invitation to respond, n, I am very falttered... And now feel obliged to share my grapefruit and lavender experiences. If this is a blend of both, and you really want to keep it as simple as possible - use benzoin as a fixative. It will sweeten it only a tiny bit, while keeping the sheer quality of the essential oils. Copaiba balsam is another gentle vanillic choice of fixation. Sandalwood can be used as well - but in really low ratio, as it can flatten the brightness of the other oils. Olibanum, as n suggested, also has brightness that is rather rare for base notes. Just don't use too much of any base note if you want to keep the scent dominated by these oils. It will still be rather fleeting though, even after adding the fixative, and it's recommended to use a heart note to bridge the gap between the base and the heart. To deepen the grapefruit experience - you may add some yuzu, which is a citrus heart note, and very grapefruity (though sweeter); Unfortunately, there is no clean-cut grapefruit heart or base note (the closest is yuzu in my opinion). To deepen the lavender essential oil you can add lavender absolute. Other suggestions that will change the character of your blend more dramatically (making it more complex and cologne/perfume like, while still anchoring it in the lavender and grapefruit theme): Top notes: Rosewood, ho wood and ho leaf - can extend the lavender note and add more sheer floralness to the perfume Other citrusy sweet notes - use different types of grapefruit (white and pink) to add more depth; Tangerine or clementine are mouthwatering sweet and very complementary to grapefruit; Mandarin and bitter orange are good too. Lemon notes work really well with lavender too in my opinion. Heart notes: - litsea cubeba, lemon myrtle, melissa (lemon balm), lemongrass or lemon verbena - these will all add a tart, leafy lemony sweetness and prolong the life of the scent - Orange blossom absolute - a powerful, sweeter than neroli version of the orange flower scent. It's gorgeous and has a lasting power and is very cheerful and uplifting while have good fixative qualities. Adding this floral absolute will make the blend more complex and perfumey - and also wroks really well in lighter cologne type scents. - Orris root - adds softness to lavender, and also has fixative power. I love it with lavender! Base notes: - Lavender concerete (this is an almost mossy lavender, feels like crushed leaves and petals ground together into a paste, very rich, warm, aromatic and grass like) - Oakmoss will turn this into more a fougere composition - rich and traditionally masculine; it will dramatically increase longevity. Best of luck, Ayala Sender, Perfumer Ayala Moriel Parfums http://www.ayalamoriel.com/ Signature Perfume ~ Perfumed Jewelry ~ Fragrance Consultant Online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 > > > So, cédrat is not only amazingly good smelling but also a heart/base > note! What a shame that it is so close to impossible sourcing it... I never said cédrat smelled nice, it*s peculiar and unique and worth exploring. It has a bigarade/waxy/incense type of smell that seems to cling and last. In fact one day I hated it and had to leave the house for a long while after taking a shower and changing my cloths, it became overwhelming and I believe I was literally intoxicated from working for too many hours with it tincturing and extracting the oil and cooking it for candying. I believe the same thing would have happened with many other ingredients. The smell of cédrat on its own makes me become restless. My search this far is showing that there are no cédrat orchards, but only a few trees here and there on different farms. The few orchards in Corsica are of a different type and are jealously guarded. In English in the 1600s this fruit was called the Italian way cedra then it became cédrat because it was thus called in the French formulas. I wonder why and when they started calling it citron which is the word for lemon in French. The blend I recently made with the tincture and that I dedicated to King and ended up calling it Cédrose developed into something ancient and nice: cédrat tincture, rose otto, aged spikenard, and a trace of ambergris, civet, frankincense, myrrh(opoponax) and cypress. The only annoying thing about blending is that you have to wait at least two weeks in order to get a good reading of the result. n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 > I never said cédrat smelled nice, it*s peculiar and unique and worth > exploring. It has a bigarade/waxy/incense type of smell that seems to > cling and last. You didn't say it smells nice, but I did LOL! It's a very special and unique aroma in my opinion. It has a strange role in one of the Jewish holidays, to the point of being fetishized... In Sukkot (the harvest holiday in the fall, 15 days after the New Year starts), the citron fruit is one of 4 species that are present throughout the 7 day holiday: 1) " Arava " - willow branches; has no scent and no flavour; The leaves symbolize the eyes. 2) " Hadas " - myrtle; it has has scent but no flavour; The branches symbolize hands with fingers. 3) " Lulav " - an unopened palm leaf, tied with strings to maintain it's shape; it has flavour (the sweet dates) but no scent; Symbolizes the spine. 4) " Etrog " - Citron; It has both scent and taste, and is therefore the most blessed of all the 4 species; It symbolizes the heart. In most Jewish communities (but esepcially in Europe), they use a citron that has a little " nipple " much like a lemon, and that has to have a perfect shape with no distrubance to their shape... They were highly prized for their scent's healing powers and were very expensive. The Yemenite, on the other hand, use a different species of citron that does not have a " nipple " at all, and has a strange wrinkly peel (much like kaffir lime). It is also bigger than the other citron. > In fact one day I hated it and had to leave the house > for a long while after taking a shower and changing my cloths, it > became overwhelming and I believe I was literally intoxicated from > working for too many hours with it tincturing and extracting the oil > and cooking it for candying. I believe the same thing would have > happened with many other ingredients. It will happen with an excess of any scent I believe. That's why it's so important to take breaks when working with scents. I would love to make a tincture of citron myself. It seems to be the only way of getting this essence these days... Maybe next time when I am in Israel in the Fall I will be able to do that. I am dying to have a pomelo essential oil or tincture as well... I have all kinds of tincturing plans for Israel for this Spring when I will be there and all the flowers will be blooming too... > The smell of cédrat on its own makes me become restless. It must be a stimulant, like most citruses!!! > The blend I recently made with the tincture and that I dedicated to > King and ended up calling it Cédrose developed into something > ancient and nice: > cédrat tincture, rose otto, aged spikenard, and a trace of ambergris, > civet, frankincense, myrrh(opoponax) and cypress. The only annoying > thing about blending is that you have to wait at least two weeks in > order to get a good reading of the result. > > n This sounds absolutely divine! Wait patiently for two weeks and don't add anything I am very curious to hear about it!!! Please tell us about it when it's ready... Best, Ayala Sender - Perfumer Ayala Moriel Parfums Signature Perfumes ~ Perfumed Jewelry ~ Fragrance Consultant Online http://www.AyalaMoriel.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 > > > > > > > So, cédrat is not only amazingly good smelling but also a heart/base > > note! What a shame that it is so close to impossible sourcing it... > i just found this link http://www.ripetoyou.com/Availability.aspx# to a commercial orchard in california that carries 2 types of citron. the fruit is available sept thru dec. and i'm looking forward to buying some then! -linda The Perfumer's Apprentice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 > > > 4) " Etrog " - Citron; It has both scent and taste, and is therefore the > most blessed of all the 4 species; It symbolizes the heart. > In most Jewish communities (but esepcially in Europe), they use a > citron that has a little " nipple " much like a lemon, and that has to > have a perfect shape with no distrubance to their shape... They were > highly prized for their scent's healing powers and were very > expensive. The Yemenite, on the other hand, use a different species of > citron that does not have a " nipple " at all, and has a strange wrinkly > peel (much like kaffir lime). It is also bigger than the other citron. Hi, I added 4 more photos to the existing cédrat photo file in order to show the hidden facets of this incredible fruit including the *nipple*. I had held back on posting the nippled photo in fear that Anya would get in trouble with and shut her group down or maybe Paypal freeze her account. I know my Etrog is no match to Janet , but gee half a million $$ was a lot of money for her to pay in fines for showing inadvertently just one nipple. Thanks for the lesson in theology, always valuable for the curious that I am. n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 > From: " s " <lindaan@...> > Reply- > Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:50:16 -0000 > > Subject: Re: grapefruit anf lavender > > >>> >> >>> >>> So, cédrat is not only amazingly good smelling but also a heart/base >>> note! What a shame that it is so close to impossible sourcing it... >> > > i just found this link > http://www.ripetoyou.com/Availability.aspx# > to a commercial orchard in california that > carries 2 types of citron. > the fruit is available sept thru dec. > and i'm looking forward to buying some then! > > -linda > The Perfumer's Apprentice > > Thanks , That site is amazing! Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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