Re: Toxic Mold Illness and MCS Question

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Angel!! <jap2bemc@...> wrote: Jeanine, you and I are on the same

page, but is so enamored with Shoemaker it's almost a diety/idol

worship.>>>

heh Angel dont think makes Shoemaker idol.heck he said he wasnt

patient. if he thinks Dr.S so good why isn't he getting help from Dr.S, he sure

needs it getting sick wherewever he is all the time. not too smart in my book.

Me thinks is his own diety/idol and only cause he always talks about

the book is cause he's in there and he can brag bout it and him. got noting to

do with the Dr.S. just about him. more he talks about book and what wrote in it

aobut him and more people he gets to buy book they can read about him.

not books smart but know people and this i know now; just wants attention

and talk about him; dont care if good or bad, just talk about him, good for his

ego. some people like that we can't get to him and he cant understand. not

going read his stuff anymore. Dr.S in book talks to me in normal words, this

talks like he's too good for us to understand him.

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Who is Ziem you are talking about. Is he/she a Dr. and where?

Thanks,

Sue

I think Ziem and Rea would disagree an they are along with Robbins ,

et al would NEVER make a statement such as that.

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Angel,

One statement you made about mold not being the trigger for MCS is

incorrect as far as myself. I was sick from mycotoxins for approx. 3

years before I came down with MCS. For many moldies, naturally not

all, MCS, Fibro, CFS, all followed their exposure, at least this is

the case for the many we have spoken to. I'm sure Dr.Shoemaker is

referring to the many patients like myself, that followed this

pattern. For alot of people it may not be the trigger. Hopefully we

all can see that nothing is set in concrete as far as this goes.

Many may have MCS prior to their exposure, many came down with it

after. To be both statements in their own way are correct to some

point.

Again this is just MY condition that I am speaking of.Before my

exposure I never had any allergies, was rarely sick and after the

exposure everything came tumbling down.

Sharon C.

> >>

> >> " It's the Inflammation, Stupid " for an explanation of this.

> >>> -

> >>> Mr. Expert, how many letters have you wrote to goverment

angencys,

> >> doctors, exc.? regarding your expertise of the matter.

> >> and gee, sence I have a neighbor sick with MCS from working

with

> >> chemicals from work, Im fully aware of MCs being caused by more

than

> >> exposure to toxic molds. Im also fully aware that some exposed

to

> > toxic

> >> molds in theri home are also getting exposed to other toxins

that put

> >> out tiny particles in the air and are also inhaled. dont put me

in

> > your

> >> stupied list so quick, garenteed I give give you a run for your

> > money.

> >> Mr. smart azz

>

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>>On Behalf Of tigerpaw2c

One statement you made about mold not being the trigger for MCS is

incorrect as far as myself. I was sick from mycotoxins for approx. 3

years before I came down with MCS. For many moldies, naturally not

all, MCS, Fibro, CFS, all followed their exposure, at least this is

the case for the many we have spoken to. I'm sure Dr.Shoemaker is

referring to the many patients like myself, that followed this

pattern. For alot of people it may not be the trigger. Hopefully we

all can see that nothing is set in concrete as far as this goes.

Many may have MCS prior to their exposure, many came down with it

after. To be both statements in their own way are correct to some

point.

Again this is just MY condition that I am speaking of.Before my

exposure I never had any allergies, was rarely sick and after the

exposure everything came tumbling down. Sharon C.>>>>>

Sharon thanks for your words of wisdom and your personal experience.

I've been thinking about this and it's quite logical really. Dr. Shoemaker

in his book stated of the 500 patients he's seen with toxic mold illness and

MCS all had been exposed to a sick building.

That's reality. However, of the thousands and thousands who have not been

diagnosed by Dr. Shoemaker I would assume many will not seek his services

because he is a toxic mold expert and not an MCS expert physician as others

are in the country so he may not have had the opportunity to consult and

diagnose those who have not been exposed to toxic mold but have MCS

symptoms. Just makes sense doesn't it?

Rosie

[Guest guest]

-same here sharon

C

-- In , " tigerpaw2c "

<tigerpaw2c@...> wrote:

>

> Angel,

>

> One statement you made about mold not being the trigger for MCS is

> incorrect as far as myself. I was sick from mycotoxins for approx.

3

> years before I came down with MCS. For many moldies, naturally not

> all, MCS, Fibro, CFS, all followed their exposure, at least this is

> the case for the many we have spoken to. I'm sure Dr.Shoemaker is

> referring to the many patients like myself, that followed this

> pattern. For alot of people it may not be the trigger. Hopefully we

> all can see that nothing is set in concrete as far as this goes.

> Many may have MCS prior to their exposure, many came down with it

> after. To be both statements in their own way are correct to some

> point.

>

> Again this is just MY condition that I am speaking of.Before my

> exposure I never had any allergies, was rarely sick and after the

> exposure everything came tumbling down.

>

> Sharon C.

>

>

> > >>

> > >> " It's the Inflammation, Stupid " for an explanation of this.

> > >>> -

> > >>> Mr. Expert, how many letters have you wrote to goverment

> angencys,

> > >> doctors, exc.? regarding your expertise of the matter.

> > >> and gee, sence I have a neighbor sick with MCS from working

> with

> > >> chemicals from work, Im fully aware of MCs being caused by

more

> than

> > >> exposure to toxic molds. Im also fully aware that some exposed

> to

> > > toxic

> > >> molds in theri home are also getting exposed to other toxins

> that put

> > >> out tiny particles in the air and are also inhaled. dont put

me

> in

> > > your

> > >> stupied list so quick, garenteed I give give you a run for your

> > > money.

> > >> Mr. smart azz

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info on Dr. Ziem.

Dr. Grace Ziem is a pioneer in chemical injury. Started MCS resrouces and

referrals. Out of the land/Delaware area.

[Guest guest]

Lin wrote:

> I got this book keeps talking about and hard to read. Was

readin tonight about him and finally got it...thought he was a real

smart man who figured it out and couldn't talk in regular words we

could understand but no, he's always been like this. going to show

you why.

> In the book, in page wrote on page 426 " What's wrong with

you? What's Your problem, ? This is the Army! You are

expected to follow orders, " The Captain yelled. I knew I was in

trouble, the captain respected my work as a nuclear missiles

launcher specialist, but he couldn't tolerate my lack of enthusiasm

for following orders… "

>

> that kind of told me that he's got to have it his way; kind of

like Mcdonald's say we should and nothing you all say going to

change him. if he didn't follow Capt orders hes got problems.

>

> ok now. not going to listen to him cause hes got to not follow

orders and brags about it.

>

Yes, you are quite right. I've always been this way.

The Capt. hated my difficulty in following orders but he liked my

results.

I saw some time and motion improvements that could be made in the

launch preparations for the Lance Tactical Battlefield Nuclear

Missile that could be accomplished without specifically violating

any of the procedures outlined in the firing protocols, and simply

instituted them without asking permission - because the methods were

completely self evident once they were demonstrated.

My team instantly became the fastest in nothern Germany and was

selected for performing missile firings from the test range at Crete.

When we arrived, the problem arose that my precedures were

not " exactly by the book " , and we would be under the watchful eyes

of warrant officers reporting directly to Congress.

My CO explained that for purposes of inspection, we would have to

operate strictly according to the manual, but said that " If war were

to break out, we're going to do it YOUR way. "

I've said repeatedly that in order to acquire enhanced skills for

purposes of detecting and avoiding toxigenic mold - one must " get

clear " of the response by finding a pristine location.

[Guest guest]

Dr. Grace Ziem is a pioneer in chemical injury. Started MCS resrouces and

referrals. Out of the land/Delaware area.

On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 ssr3351@... wrote:

> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:36:36 EDT

> From: ssr3351@...

> Reply-

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> Subject: Re: [] Re: Toxic Mold Illness and MCS Question

>

>

> Who is Ziem you are talking about. Is he/she a Dr. and where?

> Thanks,

> Sue

>

>

> I think Ziem and Rea would disagree an they are along with Robbins ,

> et al would NEVER make a statement such as that.

>

>

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In a message dated 4/2/2006 12:56:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Healthier4All@... writes:

>

> I also personally know of a number of those with MCS who have had the

> finances to build totally safe, non-toxic homes designed just for their

> illness who are still ill, still react and some cannot even leave their safe

> homes without reactions.

>

> Anything brought into their safe homes must first be washed and detoxed

> outside their homes; that includes electronics, appliances, furniture,

> clothing, mail, etc.

>

This is so true. I have to do this.

Janet

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I would just like to put my humble 2 cents in on this issue. First of all, in

my case, there are many reasons why I became ill in the first place and they had

nothing to do with mold. My mom was a chain smoker (thank heavens she stopped

when I was 18) and I was a low birth weight baby (as was my brother) and I was

susceptible to many illnesses as a child. I had non-paralytic polio at 4 and

was diagnosed with pollen allergies when I was 5. I never outgrew them - they

only steadily worsened despite a variety of treatments. So my immune system was

in dreadful shape from day one and it had nothing to do with mold. I picked up

parasites along the way, too, and ever worsening MCS wasn't too far down the

road after that. Working with chemicals in film editing didn't help either. I

eventually had problems with mold, as well.

Now, don't get me wrong. I am a dedicated patient of Dr. Shoemaker (thanks to

learning about him on this list) and I have made a committment to his protocol

for the long haul (because that is how long it will take to get any relief). I

believe getting that getting the mold issue under control will help me

immensely. I just don't believe it is the main cause or will be the cure of all

my ills. Dr. Shoemaker still believes there was one big hit of mold that caused

all my problems. However, he has all my medical records going back to 30 years

ago and he admits to not being able to find that big hit - despite my major

downturn occuring in the last 15 years. I believe I have I had a variety of

hits of different kinds (not just mold) throughout my entire life and there is

no one solution to my problems - just ways to help ease different medical

issues. I don't believe in magic bullets - just better ways to survive day by

day.

Saralee Rosen

homerose@...