Re: Re: Controlling cross contamination / A Clean Slate makes it easier

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Who,

Thank you!!!!!

[] Re: Controlling cross contamination / A Clean Slate

makes it easier

> , Is guess Im one of the stupied ones, lets see, are you telling

> me to go to the mountains? is there no polutatants in the air there?

> is there no mold? so what your saying is to start with a clean slate,

> I think thats what I did. now if you want to pay for me to go to the

> mountains, Im there! my bad zone , most days is stepping outside my

> door! I live in a apartment, Im not rich, I dont have a

> decontamination room. and if you have some useful advice, quit

> posting it from a book and put it in plain langage, so us dummy's can

> understand.

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>> Dear Dr Schaller,

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>> If I may suggest only two things in case you decide to update the

>> book at some point in the future:

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>> 1) Could you also include more emphasis on the problem of

>> cross-contamination through clothing, furniture, other people's

>> belongings etc. You do mention the problem of cross-contamination

>> when you speak about remediation and that toxins can be spread

>> through the air or someone's shoes. However the problem of cross-

>> contamination is, as you surely know, much more complex. Someone

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>> does not have any experience with mold might mistakenly conclude

>> that as soon as one leaves the area where the mold grows one will

>> get better. That is maybe true for those who are not

> hypersensitive,

>> but some of us are not so lucky. Decontamination of one's body and

>> especially clothes and personal objects can be a nightmarish job,

>> lasting months instead of a few minutes.

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>> 2) Could there also be a chapter about the problem with mold which

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>> not visible but is still present in huge amounts on object(s). Such

>> objects can virtually destroy the life of individuals who are

>> hypersensitive to molds and their toxins. The problem is even more

>> compounded by the fact that there is no visible mold, and even less

>> people will pay attention to cases like this. You do mention a way

> to

>> decontaminate books with no apparent mold growth, but I feel this

>> particular problem with objects without visible mold needs to be

>> tackled more, by giving more examples.

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>> Thanks again, and please do not take these suggestions as a

> criticism

>> but simply as suggestions. -Branislav<

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Excellent description esp this part:

....because the medical profession and society at large considered

" scientific data " to be " That which is already known and peer

reviewed " instead of defined as " Using the methodology of science " -

a perfectly testable hypothesis tends to be dismissed on the grounds

that it cannot be " proven " by prior peer reviewed evidence. And THAT,

alone - is a peculiarity which deserves to be studied, for it is

undoubtedly the very same mental process which hinders recognition of

mold illness.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:40:01 +0000, you wrote:

>, You said sold everything and moved and that didn't do it. So

>what are you wishing you had done? Are you saying that moving with a

>few items, like the clothes on your back, made you sick in new place

>or that you didn't shower before you entered new home, brought the

>problem with you? Saying you sold everything makes it a little

>unclear, as to what you wished you had done different. thanks

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>--- In , Christ <antares41-41@...>

>wrote:

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>> Denial, disbelief is a very strong impulse to overcome. When I sold

>> all my properties and moved completely away I thought I was good to

>> go. I had read post's like yours that talked about cross

>> contamination and decided to ignore them to my detriment.

>> I wasn't able to take advantage of that knowledge. I had to see for

>> myself. This is totally counter to Dr Dean Edell's " Mass Hysteria

>> Illness "

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Barbara

When I say " I sold everything " , I mean I packed up and got out of

dodge. unfortunately I brought things with me.

Sold my home, sold my lawn business, sold my rental properties. Got

rid of most of my belongings but not my cloths, my blankets, my

pillows, my computer, and my monitor. I did throw my monitor out only

after getting so sick I couldn't stand it anymore.

http://home.tampabay.rr.com/rchrist9/Moldy%20Monitor.shtml

I immediately noticed how much difference it made not to be in it's

vicinity four or five hours a day and having it spew out spores into

my environment the rest of the day. That's why I reinforce what

is saying every chance I get. I know from hard knocks he knows what

he is talking about. It does sound a little far fetched that such a

small amount of mold can affect one this way. And I want doubters

like who I was out there to not have to go though what I am going

though what I have gone though.

I am still guilty at this point of having cloths and even some books,

and other items that have cross contaminated my brand new trailer. So

in a sense as I am saying how stupid I was for not listening to ,

I am still stupid for not heeding his message.

I just can't bring myself to throw everything out. I am assessing

the situation. I am thinking that if I throw all this stuff out I may

as well just throw the trailer out with it. (figuratively)

I suppose I should work on getting rid of everything except for the

essentials. Until I can make the new trailer a realty and do it right

next time.

I think the only way I will know what is possible as far as my getting

" clear " would be is to cut all my hair off, and go naked into a new

$50,000 airstream trailer run the air conditioner and a new hepa

filter and see what is possible. I won't really know until I try it.

And even than their are so many variables out of my control it seems

futile. It's been so long I don't have any idea what " clear " is.

Maybe their is no such thing for me. What else have I got to look

forward to though?

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jeanine,

It does make it very difficult when you fear things that are not

necessarily a hazard but than ignore things that are a hazard like

the monitor I had, like the sail boat I was living in. You have to be

very vigilant and use good judgment. Something I have proved over the

years to be very deficient in. I am a slow learner but I think at

last I am starting to get it.

I know I am sensitive to chemicals but try to downplay this because

they are in my opinion or my case at least insignificant when compared

to my sensitivity to mold and it's relation to my prevailing day to

day symptoms.

But they defiantly are not innocuous. And further I know some people

will disagree with this but I think or at least in my case know that

chemicals are responsible for or played a large part in my

sensitivities to mold. Mold alone may well be enough to create this

illness but I think I had a lot of help from chemicals.

So clearly I can't stress enough how important avoidance of chemicals

is to ones health. Weather your sbs or mcs or a mixture of the two,

you want to avoid chemicals and the cumulative effect they have at

all cost's.

At the same time, at least I know this to be true in my case. You

don't want to discount the fact that mold plays a predominant part in

your day to day condition and one should never discount it based on

the idea that they are mcs or cfs.

> I

>yes, some are hard to part with. try

>amonia and water to wash what you can and do it often.

Never heard of ammonia in the wash. I use bleach for that. Maybe I

will give it a try. How much do you use?

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