Re: Vinegar helps bleach kill anthrax

[Guest guest]

CHLORINE BLEACH SHOULD NEVER, NEVER BE MIXED WITH ANYTHING OTHER

THAN WATER, (ESPECIALLY AMMONIA OR ANY OTHER " ACIDIC " CLEANERS) OR

IT CAN PRODUCE VERY TOXIC FUMES WHICH COULD KILL YOU!!!

Vinegar, baking soda, lemon luice, ect. can all be very useful

cleaners, but bleach itself can be unhealthy for those who are

sensitive, and chlorine bleach mixed with other cleaners can be

deadly!!!

--- In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2c@...>

wrote:

>

> Vinegar helps bleach kill anthrax

> http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?

> AID=/20060308/LIFE08/603080315/1006/LIFE

>

> Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 03/8/06

> BY NANCY KERCHEVAL

> BLOOMBERG WIRE SERVICES

>

> A cup of white vinegar gives diluted household bleach enough

> strength to kill almost any disease-causing microbe, including

> anthrax spores contaminating surfaces, according to a study by

> MicroChem Lab Inc.

>

> Vinegar changes the character of household bleach from alkaline to

> acidic and makes it 80 to 200 times more effective at being an

> antimicrobial product, said Norman Miner, Microchem president and

a

> researcher on the study presented today at the American Society

for

> Microbiology Biodefense Research meeting in Washington.

>

> Miner said household bleaches manufactured and sold in an alkaline

> state are relatively ineffective at killing disease-causing

> microbes. The vinegar gives bleach enough kick to fight bacteria,

> fungi, viruses and spores. The recipe: dilute one cup of household

> bleach in one gallon of water and then add one cup of white

vinegar.

>

> " Bleach has been used as a disinfectant for decades. People just

> assume it will kill everything on a countertop, " Miner said in an

> interview. " It's one of the myths. "

>

> Bleach can't be bottled in an acidic state because it's unstable,

> Miner said in an interview. After a day, it would start losing the

> chlorine that gives it its bleaching power.

>

> Researchers tested the vinegar recipe on dried bacterial spores,

> considered the most resistant to disinfectants used on microbes,

the

> Euless, Texas-based company said.

>

> After researchers swabbed surfaces with the acidic dilution, all

the

> spores were dead in 20 minutes, Miner said. An alkaline dilution

> left only 2.5 percent of the areas free of microbes after the same

> amount of time.

>

> " In the event of an emergency involving Bacillus anthracis spores

> contaminating such environmental surfaces as counter tops, desk

and

> table tops, and floors, for example, virtually every household has

a

> sporicidal sterilant available in the form of diluted, acidified

> bleach, " Miner said in a statement.

>

> The vinegar-laced bleach also killed aspergillus negri, more

> commonly recognized as the black fungi that infect the tile grout

of

> shower stalls, Miner said.

>

> " Diluted bleach at an alkaline pH is a relatively poor

disinfectant,

> but acidified diluted bleach will virtually kill anything in 10 to

> 20 minutes, " Miner said.

>

[Guest guest]

Benji,

I agree with you to a point when it comes to mixing certain

cleaners, but the researchers are not saying to mix straight bleach

and vinegar. They are saying deluted in one gallon of water. For

sensitized individuals, such as MCS'ers the first time using this

mixture I would do it outside and maybe even for those that are not

sensitive. I think at any time it would be an excellant idea to

proceed with caution.

KC

> >

> > Vinegar helps bleach kill anthrax

> > http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?

> > AID=/20060308/LIFE08/603080315/1006/LIFE

> >

> > Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 03/8/06

> > BY NANCY KERCHEVAL

> > BLOOMBERG WIRE SERVICES

> >

> > A cup of white vinegar gives diluted household bleach enough

> > strength to kill almost any disease-causing microbe, including

> > anthrax spores contaminating surfaces, according to a study by

> > MicroChem Lab Inc.

> >

> > Vinegar changes the character of household bleach from alkaline

to

> > acidic and makes it 80 to 200 times more effective at being an

> > antimicrobial product, said Norman Miner, Microchem president

and

> a

> > researcher on the study presented today at the American Society

> for

> > Microbiology Biodefense Research meeting in Washington.

> >

> > Miner said household bleaches manufactured and sold in an

alkaline

> > state are relatively ineffective at killing disease-causing

> > microbes. The vinegar gives bleach enough kick to fight

bacteria,

> > fungi, viruses and spores. The recipe: dilute one cup of

household

> > bleach in one gallon of water and then add one cup of white

> vinegar.

> >

> > " Bleach has been used as a disinfectant for decades. People just

> > assume it will kill everything on a countertop, " Miner said in

an

> > interview. " It's one of the myths. "

> >

> > Bleach can't be bottled in an acidic state because it's

unstable,

> > Miner said in an interview. After a day, it would start losing

the

> > chlorine that gives it its bleaching power.

> >

> > Researchers tested the vinegar recipe on dried bacterial spores,

> > considered the most resistant to disinfectants used on microbes,

> the

> > Euless, Texas-based company said.

> >

> > After researchers swabbed surfaces with the acidic dilution, all

> the

> > spores were dead in 20 minutes, Miner said. An alkaline dilution

> > left only 2.5 percent of the areas free of microbes after the

same

> > amount of time.

> >

> > " In the event of an emergency involving Bacillus anthracis

spores

> > contaminating such environmental surfaces as counter tops, desk

> and

> > table tops, and floors, for example, virtually every household

has

> a

> > sporicidal sterilant available in the form of diluted, acidified

> > bleach, " Miner said in a statement.

> >

> > The vinegar-laced bleach also killed aspergillus negri, more

> > commonly recognized as the black fungi that infect the tile

grout

> of

> > shower stalls, Miner said.

> >

> > " Diluted bleach at an alkaline pH is a relatively poor

> disinfectant,

> > but acidified diluted bleach will virtually kill anything in 10

to

> > 20 minutes, " Miner said.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yea I thought mixing the two was very dangeous also.

> >

> > Vinegar helps bleach kill anthrax

> > http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?

> > AID=/20060308/LIFE08/603080315/1006/LIFE

> >

> > Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 03/8/06

> > BY NANCY KERCHEVAL

> > BLOOMBERG WIRE SERVICES

> >

> > A cup of white vinegar gives diluted household bleach enough

> > strength to kill almost any disease-causing microbe, including

> > anthrax spores contaminating surfaces, according to a study by

> > MicroChem Lab Inc.

> >

> > Vinegar changes the character of household bleach from alkaline

to

> > acidic and makes it 80 to 200 times more effective at being an

> > antimicrobial product, said Norman Miner, Microchem president and

> a

> > researcher on the study presented today at the American Society

> for

> > Microbiology Biodefense Research meeting in Washington.

> >

> > Miner said household bleaches manufactured and sold in an

alkaline

> > state are relatively ineffective at killing disease-causing

> > microbes. The vinegar gives bleach enough kick to fight bacteria,

> > fungi, viruses and spores. The recipe: dilute one cup of

household

> > bleach in one gallon of water and then add one cup of white

> vinegar.

> >

> > " Bleach has been used as a disinfectant for decades. People just

> > assume it will kill everything on a countertop, " Miner said in an

> > interview. " It's one of the myths. "

> >

> > Bleach can't be bottled in an acidic state because it's unstable,

> > Miner said in an interview. After a day, it would start losing

the

> > chlorine that gives it its bleaching power.

> >

> > Researchers tested the vinegar recipe on dried bacterial spores,

> > considered the most resistant to disinfectants used on microbes,

> the

> > Euless, Texas-based company said.

> >

> > After researchers swabbed surfaces with the acidic dilution, all

> the

> > spores were dead in 20 minutes, Miner said. An alkaline dilution

> > left only 2.5 percent of the areas free of microbes after the

same

> > amount of time.

> >

> > " In the event of an emergency involving Bacillus anthracis spores

> > contaminating such environmental surfaces as counter tops, desk

> and

> > table tops, and floors, for example, virtually every household

has

> a

> > sporicidal sterilant available in the form of diluted, acidified

> > bleach, " Miner said in a statement.

> >

> > The vinegar-laced bleach also killed aspergillus negri, more

> > commonly recognized as the black fungi that infect the tile grout

> of

> > shower stalls, Miner said.

> >

> > " Diluted bleach at an alkaline pH is a relatively poor

> disinfectant,

> > but acidified diluted bleach will virtually kill anything in 10

to

> > 20 minutes, " Miner said.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This a post from the IEQ board concerning the article mixing bleach

and vinegar.This may be used by professionals only.

KC

From: " Tony Havics " <ph2@...>

Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 2:10 pm

Subject: RE: [iequality] article ph2env

True. Sodium hypochlorite (typical active component in bleach) is

alkaline/basic (and created that way for stability reasons) and it

will react with acidic compounds, including acetic acid in vinegar

to produce chlorine gas (a toxic gas - not a fume). This would

include the HCl in many bath cleaners, muriatic acid in concrete

cleaners, etc.

The amount necessary to create a true inhalation hazard depends upon

reaction, pH difference, air changes, etc.

Regardless, it is not a good idea to mix them unless you are

creating an intentional demostrational weapon (see for example

Lecker's " Improvised Explosives, How to Make Your Own " ).

Tony

......................................................................

......

" Tony " Havics, CHMM, CIH, PE

pH2, LLC

PO Box 34140

Indianapolis, IN 46234

(317) 752-6386

(317) 409-3238 cell

> > >

> > > Vinegar helps bleach kill anthrax

> > > http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?

> > > AID=/20060308/LIFE08/603080315/1006/LIFE

> > >

> > > Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 03/8/06

> > > BY NANCY KERCHEVAL

> > > BLOOMBERG WIRE SERVICES

> > >

> > > A cup of white vinegar gives diluted household bleach enough

> > > strength to kill almost any disease-causing microbe, including

> > > anthrax spores contaminating surfaces, according to a study by

> > > MicroChem Lab Inc.

> > >

> > > Vinegar changes the character of household bleach from

alkaline

> to

> > > acidic and makes it 80 to 200 times more effective at being an

> > > antimicrobial product, said Norman Miner, Microchem president

and

> > a

> > > researcher on the study presented today at the American

Society

> > for

> > > Microbiology Biodefense Research meeting in Washington.

> > >

> > > Miner said household bleaches manufactured and sold in an

> alkaline

> > > state are relatively ineffective at killing disease-causing

> > > microbes. The vinegar gives bleach enough kick to fight

bacteria,

> > > fungi, viruses and spores. The recipe: dilute one cup of

> household

> > > bleach in one gallon of water and then add one cup of white

> > vinegar.

> > >

> > > " Bleach has been used as a disinfectant for decades. People

just

> > > assume it will kill everything on a countertop, " Miner said in

an

> > > interview. " It's one of the myths. "

> > >

> > > Bleach can't be bottled in an acidic state because it's

unstable,

> > > Miner said in an interview. After a day, it would start losing

> the

> > > chlorine that gives it its bleaching power.

> > >

> > > Researchers tested the vinegar recipe on dried bacterial

spores,

> > > considered the most resistant to disinfectants used on

microbes,

> > the

> > > Euless, Texas-based company said.

> > >

> > > After researchers swabbed surfaces with the acidic dilution,

all

> > the

> > > spores were dead in 20 minutes, Miner said. An alkaline

dilution

> > > left only 2.5 percent of the areas free of microbes after the

> same

> > > amount of time.

> > >

> > > " In the event of an emergency involving Bacillus anthracis

spores

> > > contaminating such environmental surfaces as counter tops,

desk

> > and

> > > table tops, and floors, for example, virtually every household

> has

> > a

> > > sporicidal sterilant available in the form of diluted,

acidified

> > > bleach, " Miner said in a statement.

> > >

> > > The vinegar-laced bleach also killed aspergillus negri, more

> > > commonly recognized as the black fungi that infect the tile

grout

> > of

> > > shower stalls, Miner said.

> > >

> > > " Diluted bleach at an alkaline pH is a relatively poor

> > disinfectant,

> > > but acidified diluted bleach will virtually kill anything in

10

> to

> > > 20 minutes, " Miner said.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Vinegar helps bleach kill anthrax

> http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?

> AID=/20060308/LIFE08/603080315/1006/LIFE

>

> Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 03/8/06

> BY NANCY KERCHEVAL

> BLOOMBERG WIRE SERVICES

>

> A cup of white vinegar gives diluted household bleach enough

> strength to kill almost any disease-causing microbe, including

> anthrax spores contaminating surfaces, according to a study by

> MicroChem Lab Inc.

>

> Vinegar changes the character of household bleach from alkaline to

> acidic and makes it 80 to 200 times more effective at being an

> antimicrobial product, said Norman Miner, Microchem president and a

> researcher on the study presented today at the American Society for

> Microbiology Biodefense Research meeting in Washington.

>

> Miner said household bleaches manufactured and sold in an alkaline

> state are relatively ineffective at killing disease-causing

> microbes. The vinegar gives bleach enough kick to fight bacteria,

> fungi, viruses and spores. The recipe: dilute one cup of household

> bleach in one gallon of water and then add one cup of white vinegar.

>

> " Bleach has been used as a disinfectant for decades. People just

> assume it will kill everything on a countertop, " Miner said in an

> interview. " It's one of the myths. "

>

> Bleach can't be bottled in an acidic state because it's unstable,

> Miner said in an interview. After a day, it would start losing the

> chlorine that gives it its bleaching power.

>

> Researchers tested the vinegar recipe on dried bacterial spores,

> considered the most resistant to disinfectants used on microbes, the

> Euless, Texas-based company said.

>

> After researchers swabbed surfaces with the acidic dilution, all the

> spores were dead in 20 minutes, Miner said. An alkaline dilution

> left only 2.5 percent of the areas free of microbes after the same

> amount of time.

>

> " In the event of an emergency involving Bacillus anthracis spores

> contaminating such environmental surfaces as counter tops, desk and

> table tops, and floors, for example, virtually every household has a

> sporicidal sterilant available in the form of diluted, acidified

> bleach, " Miner said in a statement.

>

> The vinegar-laced bleach also killed aspergillus negri, more

> commonly recognized as the black fungi that infect the tile grout of

> shower stalls, Miner said.

>

> " Diluted bleach at an alkaline pH is a relatively poor disinfectant,

> but acidified diluted bleach will virtually kill anything in 10 to

> 20 minutes, " Miner said.

>

[Guest guest]

I just use plain white vinager no bleach

In a message dated 1/2/2011 1:36:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

gilvice@... writes:

The info given in this article is partially true, but mentioned without

appropriate warnings. Bleach is used in medical labs to disinfect spills on

countertops quite successfully without vinegar. Perhaps you might have read

that bleach is not to be used with toilet cleaners, because some of these

are strongly acidic. Some liquid cleaners contain hydrochloric acid (also

called muriatic acid), while some solid cleaners contain sodium bisulfate,

also strongly acidic. Both can release toxic gases with bleach.

Vinegar is also an acid, but much weaker. It too can release hazardous gas

with bleach, but at lower levels. You can take advantage of this, as I did

a few months ago, placing plastic pans of undiluted bleach with vinegar on

the floor of my wife's car to kill mold contamination from her clothes

after she was in a moldy building three hours. It did the job, but left the

chlorine smell in the car a few weeks after treatment. After the

bleach-vinegar treatment we aired the car out several hours before using it.

Minor mold, such as on windowsills, can be cleaned effectively with dilute

bleach. Use caution when adding vinegar to bleach. It can be very

effective, but also very hazardous, especially for those whose lungs are

already

compromised.

Re: Vinegar helps bleach kill anthrax

Posted by: " KC " _tigerpaw2c@..._ (mailto:tigerpaw2c@...)

tigerpaw2c

Date: Sat Jan 1, 2011 6:08 pm ((PST))

Vinegar helps bleach kill anthrax

> _http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?_

(http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?)

> AID=/20060308/LIFE08/603080315/1006/LIFE

>

> Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 03/8/06

> BY NANCY KERCHEVAL

> BLOOMBERG WIRE SERVICES

>

> A cup of white vinegar gives diluted household bleach enough

> strength to kill almost any disease-causing microbe, including

> anthrax spores contaminating surfaces, according to a study by

> MicroChem Lab Inc.

>

> Vinegar changes the character of household bleach from alkaline to

> acidic and makes it 80 to 200 times more effective at being an

> antimicrobial product, said Norman Miner, Microchem president and a

> researcher on the study presented today at the American Society for

> Microbiology Biodefense Research meeting in Washington.

>

><snip>

[Guest guest]

The info given in this article is partially true, but mentioned without

appropriate warnings. Bleach is used in medical labs to disinfect spills on

countertops quite successfully without vinegar. Perhaps you might have read that

bleach is not to be used with toilet cleaners, because some of these are

strongly acidic. Some liquid cleaners contain hydrochloric acid (also called

muriatic acid), while some solid cleaners contain sodium bisulfate, also

strongly acidic. Both can release toxic gases with bleach.

Vinegar is also an acid, but much weaker. It too can release hazardous gas

with bleach, but at lower levels. You can take advantage of this, as I did a few

months ago, placing plastic pans of undiluted bleach with vinegar on the floor

of my wife's car to kill mold contamination from her clothes after she was in a

moldy building three hours. It did the job, but left the chlorine smell in the

car a few weeks after treatment. After the bleach-vinegar treatment we aired the

car out several hours before using it.

Minor mold, such as on windowsills, can be cleaned effectively with dilute

bleach. Use caution when adding vinegar to bleach. It can be very effective, but

also very hazardous, especially for those whose lungs are already compromised.

Re: Vinegar helps bleach kill anthrax

Posted by: " KC " tigerpaw2c@... tigerpaw2c

Date: Sat Jan 1, 2011 6:08 pm ((PST))

Vinegar helps bleach kill anthrax

> http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?

> AID=/20060308/LIFE08/603080315/1006/LIFE

>

> Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 03/8/06

> BY NANCY KERCHEVAL

> BLOOMBERG WIRE SERVICES

>

> A cup of white vinegar gives diluted household bleach enough

> strength to kill almost any disease-causing microbe, including

> anthrax spores contaminating surfaces, according to a study by

> MicroChem Lab Inc.

>

> Vinegar changes the character of household bleach from alkaline to

> acidic and makes it 80 to 200 times more effective at being an

> antimicrobial product, said Norman Miner, Microchem president and a

> researcher on the study presented today at the American Society for

> Microbiology Biodefense Research meeting in Washington.

>

> Miner said household bleaches manufactured and sold in an alkaline

> state are relatively ineffective at killing disease-causing

> microbes. The vinegar gives bleach enough kick to fight bacteria,

> fungi, viruses and spores. The recipe: dilute one cup of household

> bleach in one gallon of water and then add one cup of white vinegar.

>

> " Bleach has been used as a disinfectant for decades. People just

> assume it will kill everything on a countertop, " Miner said in an

> interview. " It's one of the myths. "

>

> Bleach can't be bottled in an acidic state because it's unstable,

> Miner said in an interview. After a day, it would start losing the

> chlorine that gives it its bleaching power.

>

> Researchers tested the vinegar recipe on dried bacterial spores,

> considered the most resistant to disinfectants used on microbes, the

> Euless, Texas-based company said.

>

> After researchers swabbed surfaces with the acidic dilution, all the

> spores were dead in 20 minutes, Miner said. An alkaline dilution

> left only 2.5 percent of the areas free of microbes after the same

> amount of time.

>

> " In the event of an emergency involving Bacillus anthracis spores

> contaminating such environmental surfaces as counter tops, desk and

> table tops, and floors, for example, virtually every household has a

> sporicidal sterilant available in the form of diluted, acidified

> bleach, " Miner said in a statement.

>

> The vinegar-laced bleach also killed aspergillus negri, more

> commonly recognized as the black fungi that infect the tile grout of

> shower stalls, Miner said.

>

> " Diluted bleach at an alkaline pH is a relatively poor disinfectant,

> but acidified diluted bleach will virtually kill anything in 10 to

> 20 minutes, " Miner said.

[Guest guest]

If the surface (smooth and hard) can be cleaned with warm water and a detergent

then the mold will be wiped away with the rest of the " dirt " and there will be

nothing left to kill or grow.

With a semi-porous surface and mold growth on it rather than spores settling on

it from areas of growth it is harder to fully remove and may have to be

replaced.

Porous objects with mold growth almost always need to be replaced. With settled

spores from other areas of growth they can sometimes be cleaned unless impacted

below the surface like with carpets and seat cushions.

Then absolute best way to keep mold growth from growing or from returning is to

keep it dry. No moisture, no growth. Spores from the air settle onto surfaces

all the time and are a part of all " house dust " but won't grow unless kept damp

for several hours to days (not just minutes).

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

[] Re: Vinegar helps bleach kill anthrax

The info given in this article is partially true, but mentioned without

appropriate warnings. Bleach is used in medical labs to disinfect spills on

countertops quite successfully without vinegar. Perhaps you might have read that

bleach is not to be used with toilet cleaners, because some of these are

strongly acidic. Some liquid cleaners contain hydrochloric acid (also called

muriatic acid), while some solid cleaners contain sodium bisulfate, also

strongly acidic. Both can release toxic gases with bleach.

Vinegar is also an acid, but much weaker. It too can release hazardous gas

with bleach, but at lower levels. You can take advantage of this, as I did a few

months ago, placing plastic pans of undiluted bleach with vinegar on the floor

of my wife's car to kill mold contamination from her clothes after she was in a

moldy building three hours. It did the job, but left the chlorine smell in the

car a few weeks after treatment. After the bleach-vinegar treatment we aired the

car out several hours before using it.

Minor mold, such as on windowsills, can be cleaned effectively with dilute

bleach. Use caution when adding vinegar to bleach. It can be very effective, but

also very hazardous, especially for those whose lungs are already compromised.

Re: Vinegar helps bleach kill anthrax

Posted by: " KC " tigerpaw2c@... tigerpaw2c

Date: Sat Jan 1, 2011 6:08 pm ((PST))

Vinegar helps bleach kill anthrax

> http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?

> AID=/20060308/LIFE08/603080315/1006/LIFE

>

> Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 03/8/06

> BY NANCY KERCHEVAL

> BLOOMBERG WIRE SERVICES

>

> A cup of white vinegar gives diluted household bleach enough

> strength to kill almost any disease-causing microbe, including

> anthrax spores contaminating surfaces, according to a study by

> MicroChem Lab Inc.

>

> Vinegar changes the character of household bleach from alkaline to

> acidic and makes it 80 to 200 times more effective at being an

> antimicrobial product, said Norman Miner, Microchem president and a

> researcher on the study presented today at the American Society for

> Microbiology Biodefense Research meeting in Washington.

>

> Miner said household bleaches manufactured and sold in an alkaline

> state are relatively ineffective at killing disease-causing

> microbes. The vinegar gives bleach enough kick to fight bacteria,

> fungi, viruses and spores. The recipe: dilute one cup of household

> bleach in one gallon of water and then add one cup of white vinegar.

>

> " Bleach has been used as a disinfectant for decades. People just

> assume it will kill everything on a countertop, " Miner said in an

> interview. " It's one of the myths. "

>

> Bleach can't be bottled in an acidic state because it's unstable,

> Miner said in an interview. After a day, it would start losing the

> chlorine that gives it its bleaching power.

>

> Researchers tested the vinegar recipe on dried bacterial spores,

> considered the most resistant to disinfectants used on microbes, the

> Euless, Texas-based company said.

>

> After researchers swabbed surfaces with the acidic dilution, all the

> spores were dead in 20 minutes, Miner said. An alkaline dilution

> left only 2.5 percent of the areas free of microbes after the same

> amount of time.

>

> " In the event of an emergency involving Bacillus anthracis spores

> contaminating such environmental surfaces as counter tops, desk and

> table tops, and floors, for example, virtually every household has a

> sporicidal sterilant available in the form of diluted, acidified

> bleach, " Miner said in a statement.

>

> The vinegar-laced bleach also killed aspergillus negri, more

> commonly recognized as the black fungi that infect the tile grout of

> shower stalls, Miner said.

>

> " Diluted bleach at an alkaline pH is a relatively poor disinfectant,

> but acidified diluted bleach will virtually kill anything in 10 to

> 20 minutes, " Miner said.