Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 noname~ Without much more detail as to what else is going on in the brain , patterns wise, not really possible to say. Have you done an assessment to determine what's going on all over the brain? ~ fatigue/burn out > Hello! > > I have some clients with a lot of alpha activity in P3/P4 both during > task, eyes open and eyes closed. Could this be connected with > fatigue/burn out problems? They are all diagnosed with burn out. > > What these clients often has in common: > Problem with their sleep > Problem with memory > Reduced cognitive abilities (math, reading etc.) > Longtime stress > > Could anyone recommend a suitable protocol. What instructions should i > give to help the clients to make the training successful? > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Hi ! Thank you for the reply! Ill try to provide some more details of the cases. High alpha/theta ratio in all points used in TLC assessment with EO and during task. Looks rather high in the histograms with EC as well but is withing " normal " range according to the assessment. Alfa Peak frequency is low. (8.7 - 9.5) Hot temporals and frontal reversal is common. The clients is diagnosed with burn out (is this the correct term in English?) problems without the use of EEG. They have problem with fatigue, depression, anxiety and stress. /Jonas > > noname~ > Without much more detail as to what else is going on in the brain , patterns > wise, not really possible to say. Have you done an assessment to determine > what's going on all over the brain? > ~ > fatigue/burn out > > > > Hello! > > > > I have some clients with a lot of alpha activity in P3/P4 both during > > task, eyes open and eyes closed. Could this be connected with > > fatigue/burn out problems? They are all diagnosed with burn out. > > > > What these clients often has in common: > > Problem with their sleep > > Problem with memory > > Reduced cognitive abilities (math, reading etc.) > > Longtime stress > > > > Could anyone recommend a suitable protocol. What instructions should i > > give to help the clients to make the training successful? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I have been meaning to pose a similar question regarding EEG findings in simple burnout. What would the various findings be in a TLC assessment of an otherwise normal person who is mentally burned out ? How about coherences? I assume Peak Alpha Frequency will drop, and how far might it drop ? Do you see theta increase with mental task ? Will the assessment look different than that of someone with major depression ? Thanks, Joe Duba, M.D. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 In addition to the high alpha amplitudes and poor alpha blocking, it is important to see whether the alpha is slow. It is very common to see this pattern in clients who have not dealt with emotional issues, rather keeping them buried (or wrapped in alpha) over a long period of time. The burnout could well be related to adrenal failure, which occurs when the autonomic nervous system has been in sympathetic mode over a long period of time. Often we see problems where the unprocessed emotional material gets somaticized, and it may appear as chronic fatigue, chronic pain or even fibromyalgia. If the alpha is slow, below 10Hz, at the back of the head, you might try training faster alpha up at P4 with eyes closed. If you are using BioExplorer with our Design Subscription, you can use the Alpha Up design to do this. If not, try training 2-9 Hz down and 10-13 Hz up. Pete > > From: " delos_ab " <kontakt@...> > Date: 2006/05/12 Fri AM 02:42:33 EDT > > Subject: fatigue/burn out > > have some clients with a lot of alpha activity in P3/P4 both during task, eyes open and eyes closed. Could this be connected with fatigue/burn out problems? They are all diagnosed with burn out. What these clients often has in common: Problem with their sleep Problem with memory Reduced cognitive abilities (math, reading etc.) Longtime stress Could anyone recommend a suitable protocol. What instructions should i give to help the clients to make the training successful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Joe, Burnout is not generally a mental issue (nor is it usually " simple " ). The term suggests that the ANS, which kicks into sympathetic gear in response to stress, has gone beyond its ability to respond any more; literally the adrenals are " burned out " . Absolutely certainly you want to make sure that the client is taking some B-vitamin complexes (since cortisol burns up B vitamins), and it's worth checking to see about the status of the adrenals, since there are some pretty good adrenal " rescue " supplements available that can help rebuild that part of the system. As for the EEG, I would often expect to see the alpha problems discussed by Jonas and : slowing in alpha, poor alpha blocking with eyes open or at task, lots of frontal alpha. But it's very important to remember that just dealing with the alpha, without unwinding the underlying tone strategies (and maybe doing some work to rebuild parasympathetic function--heart-rate variability, RSA breathing, etc.) is like arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Provide the brain with a real opportunity to let go of its patterns that are programming the stress response to remain in place, and then the alpha training can be more successful. Pete > > From: ph Duba <md_duba@...> > Date: 2006/05/12 Fri PM 12:19:10 EDT > > Subject: fatigue/burn out > > have been meaning to pose a similar question regarding EEG findings in simple burnout. What would the various findings be in a TLC assessment of an otherwise normal person who is mentally burned out ? How about coherences? I assume Peak Alpha Frequency will drop, and how far might it drop ? Do you see theta increase with mental task ? Will the assessment look different than that of someone with major depression ? Thanks, Joe Duba, M.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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