Re: About beta PF and addiction

[Guest guest]

Diane,

There has been shown to be a correlation between fast beta and addictive

behavior. That doesn't necessarily mean that one causes the other. It makes

sense that a person with a great deal of " head " energy and lots of internal

chatter might choose to self-medicate.

I don't know that I would expect to see all that fast activity if she were

actively using; might be more likely if she were not. In any case, it is an

indicator, a risk factor, let's say.

Best thing to do is, without worrying too much about why it's there, help her

get it down.

Pete

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> From: " dianecalewaert " <diane.monsieurs@...>

> Date: 2006/02/13 Mon PM 04:58:49 EST

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> Subject: About beta PF and addiction

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> In the assessment of a 30y old lady, I found beta PF in the middle

twenties everywhere. She told me she had been addicted to illegal

drugs, when she was still an adolescent.

In one of your workshops you told us beta peakfrequencies in the

middle twenties could be an indication of an addiction.

1/ Did you mean a current addiction or could it also indicate a

former addiction.

In this case, should I question her being " clean " ?

2/ You also told us that children of alcoholics show up with high

beta peakfrequencies, although they don't drink alcohol themselves.

Is the same through for addiction to (illegal) drugs?

3/ Does an addiction to food give the same high beta peakfrequencies ?

Thanks for your help,

Diane (Belgium)

[Guest guest]

Diane

First and foremost let me say I'm with Pete ... Not to worry too much about

the why and where, and how, but just help her control it.

That being said, the more I work with at risk children, the more (I think) I

understand this very complicated society we live in and all the

environmental factors that contribute to fast beta or crazy beta, which in

turn makes for addictive (among other things) behavior. Way back in the

day, I didn't know much about wars, and snipers, and rapes, etc. let alone

feel like someone was going to fly a plane into the water tower in Athens,

TX. I just rode my stickhorse, and somedays I was a cowboy, and somedays an

Indian. Although there was the occasional " duck and cover " (an American

thought that if you hid under the desk at school, the atomic bomb couldn't

reach you).

However I do believe it was my parent's generation that started the " be

bigger, be better " " have more " craze. Then came the wars that I knew about,

and the fears of having to serve, and the loss of some of my friends, all

the while trying to be bigger, better, and have more. Nowadays, if we don't

have the latest blueberry, high speed DSL, and 2 children on the honor roll

at school, well what good are we anyway ? We now definitely know that

experiential situations can even alter genes, so let's not leave out

genetics, and what's passed down to the next generation.

Then there are those whose crazy beta can possibly be the result of abuse

and neglect (not sure what statistics are in Belgium), but here, they're far

higher than anyone would like the public to know. I believe everything I've

mentioned could be sufficient cause of addictions, and crazy beta (I'm sure

folks on the list could offer more), but just as I started this reply,

training it down just like Pete said, seems the most important thing to do.

If in the journey you come to understand why she may have become addicted as

an adolescent, well all the more better, because you can help her avoid

repeating the same mistakes.

Good luck, Diane, and hope you'll keep us updated.

[Guest guest]

Pete,

I see the point. Thanks for your answers.

Diane (Belgium)

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Onderwerp: Re: About beta PF and addiction

Diane,

There has been shown to be a correlation between fast beta and addictive

behavior. That doesn't necessarily mean that one causes the other. It makes

sense that a person with a great deal of " head " energy and lots of internal

chatter might choose to self-medicate.

I don't know that I would expect to see all that fast activity if she were

actively using; might be more likely if she were not. In any case, it is an

indicator, a risk factor, let's say.

Best thing to do is, without worrying too much about why it's there, help

her get it down.

Pete

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> From: " dianecalewaert " <diane.monsieurs@...>

> Date: 2006/02/13 Mon PM 04:58:49 EST

>

> Subject: About beta PF and addiction

>

> In the assessment of a 30y old lady, I found beta PF in the middle

twenties everywhere. She told me she had been addicted to illegal

drugs, when she was still an adolescent.

In one of your workshops you told us beta peakfrequencies in the

middle twenties could be an indication of an addiction.

1/ Did you mean a current addiction or could it also indicate a

former addiction.

In this case, should I question her being " clean " ?

2/ You also told us that children of alcoholics show up with high

beta peakfrequencies, although they don't drink alcohol themselves.

Is the same through for addiction to (illegal) drugs?

3/ Does an addiction to food give the same high beta peakfrequencies ?

Thanks for your help,

Diane (Belgium)

[Guest guest]

There are many people who are members of AA who are not drinking who are extremely over aroused(high beta). In their terms they would say this person is a dry drunk. Often people will slip after a number of years of not drinking. In my opinion they still had the high beta.

I had a client who had 5 years sobriety and started with neurofeedback. It was at this point where he really started to get the program and really experienced a turn around.

Furthermore, there has to be a desire by the person who has an addiction to want to do what ever it takes to quit. If they are coming to you to fix them the probability is that they will continue with their addiction.

About beta PF and addiction> > In the assessment of a 30y old lady, I found beta PF in the middle twenties everywhere. She told me she had been addicted to illegal drugs, when she was still an adolescent.In one of your workshops you told us beta peakfrequencies in the middle twenties could be an indication of an addiction.1/ Did you mean a current addiction or could it also indicate a former addiction.In this case, should I question her being "clean" ?2/ You also told us that children of alcoholics show up with high beta peakfrequencies, although they don't drink alcohol themselves.Is the same through for addiction to (illegal) drugs?3/ Does an addiction to food give the same high beta peakfrequencies ?Thanks for your help,Diane (Belgium)

[Guest guest]

Pete: What is the "normal" range for the Beta peak frequency? Thanks.

Betsy

About beta PF and addiction> > In the assessment of a 30y old lady, I found beta PF in the middle twenties everywhere. She told me she had been addicted to illegal drugs, when she was still an adolescent.In one of your workshops you told us beta peakfrequencies in the middle twenties could be an indication of an addiction.1/ Did you mean a current addiction or could it also indicate a former addiction.In this case, should I question her being "clean" ?2/ You also told us that children of alcoholics show up with high beta peakfrequencies, although they don't drink alcohol themselves.Is the same through for addiction to (illegal) drugs?3/ Does an addiction to food give the same high beta peakfrequencies ?Thanks for your help,Diane (Belgium)

[Guest guest]

About 16-19 Hz.

Pete

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> From: " Strawderman " <straw856@...>

> Date: 2006/02/15 Wed PM 06:23:04 EST

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> Subject: Re: About beta PF and addiction

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> Pete: What is the " normal " range for the Beta peak frequency? Thanks.

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> Betsy