Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 I have a client, 47yo male, with chronic sleep difficulties. Falls asleep no problem, but wakes soon after and fights sleep the rest of the night. His personality before this began (just over a year ago) was a total optimist. No complaints, healthy, happy, nice family, avid exerciser... I did a brain map, but was wondering if I should add in some optional sites. If so, which ones? Also, have people had much luck with sleep issues? I have already tried C4 SMR up, Pz alpha up, F3 beta up, along with F4 alpha up, as well as probably a couple of other things...I don't have my notes with me now. I have had great success in making his days better, but nothing has helped his sleep. Are there any other things to look for or try? Thanks in advance for any helpful hints. Diane Curriden __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 That's t3-fp1 at 15-18 reward, WB inhibit. St. Lee ---- Diane Curriden <new2neuro@...> wrote: > I have a client, 47yo male, with chronic sleep > difficulties. Falls asleep no problem, but wakes soon > after and fights sleep the rest of the night. His > personality before this began (just over a year ago) > was a total optimist. No complaints, healthy, happy, > nice family, avid exerciser... > I did a brain map, but was wondering if I should add > in some optional sites. If so, which ones? > Also, have people had much luck with sleep issues? I > have already tried C4 SMR up, Pz alpha up, F3 beta up, > along with F4 alpha up, as well as probably a couple > of other things...I don't have my notes with me now. > I have had great success in making his days better, > but nothing has helped his sleep. Are there any other > things to look for or try? > Thanks in advance for any helpful hints. > Diane Curriden > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Mostly I've heard sleep is one of the first things to improve with neurofeedback. I've been trying to formulate a question on sleep, too. (Still thinking) In the case of a friend, she too has found her days are better but still wakes frequently and is exhausted on waking. She is happy to simply not fall asleep during her day for 3 days after training, but it seems only right to improve actual sleep. It seems strange to have something that is so helpful but does not improve sleep. Rah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Up, down? Frequency band? A new idea! Rah > > You might try t3-fp1 bipolar for difficulty staying asleep. > > St. Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Thank you! > > That's t3-fp1 at 15-18 reward, WB inhibit. > > St. Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Diane~ What does the beta look like at the back and perhaps at OZ. Perhaps the betas are too high? ~ sleep deprived I have a client, 47yo male, with chronic sleepdifficulties. Falls asleep no problem, but wakes soonafter and fights sleep the rest of the night. Hispersonality before this began (just over a year ago)was a total optimist. No complaints, healthy, happy,nice family, avid exerciser...I did a brain map, but was wondering if I should addin some optional sites. If so, which ones?Also, have people had much luck with sleep issues? Ihave already tried C4 SMR up, Pz alpha up, F3 beta up,along with F4 alpha up, as well as probably a coupleof other things...I don't have my notes with me now. I have had great success in making his days better,but nothing has helped his sleep. Are there any otherthings to look for or try? Thanks in advance for any helpful hints.Diane Curriden__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Diane, As you may recall from Level 2 or TP workshops, this sleep pattern is often directly related to front/back beta reversals. If beta percents are higher in Parietals and Occipitals than in the frontals, you need to train to change that pattern. If there is sufficient alpha (A/T ratios are 1.3 or higher) in the back, then you can train beta down directly, perhaps in a windowed squash at P4 and Oz. If alpha levels are low, you need to train alpha up, perhaps alpha coherence or synchrony. Pete > > From: Diane Curriden <new2neuro@...> > Date: 2006/06/25 Sun PM 09:08:46 EDT > < > > Subject: sleep deprived > > I have a client, 47yo male, with chronic sleep > difficulties. Falls asleep no problem, but wakes soon > after and fights sleep the rest of the night. His > personality before this began (just over a year ago) > was a total optimist. No complaints, healthy, happy, > nice family, avid exerciser... > I did a brain map, but was wondering if I should add > in some optional sites. If so, which ones? > Also, have people had much luck with sleep issues? I > have already tried C4 SMR up, Pz alpha up, F3 beta up, > along with F4 alpha up, as well as probably a couple > of other things...I don't have my notes with me now. > I have had great success in making his days better, > but nothing has helped his sleep. Are there any other > things to look for or try? > Thanks in advance for any helpful hints. > Diane Curriden > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 He does not have a front/back beta reversal. Are there other patterns to look for as well? Should I try the windowed squash anyway? Perhaps it could be just one more thing to try? Diane Curriden --- Van Deusen <pvdtlc@...> wrote: > Diane, > > As you may recall from Level 2 or TP workshops, this > sleep pattern is often directly related to > front/back beta reversals. If beta percents are > higher in Parietals and Occipitals than in the > frontals, you need to train to change that pattern. > If there is sufficient alpha (A/T ratios are 1.3 or > higher) in the back, then you can train beta down > directly, perhaps in a windowed squash at P4 and Oz. > If alpha levels are low, you need to train alpha > up, perhaps alpha coherence or synchrony. > > Pete > > > > > From: Diane Curriden <new2neuro@...> > > Date: 2006/06/25 Sun PM 09:08:46 EDT > > < > > > Subject: sleep deprived > > > > I have a client, 47yo male, with chronic sleep > > difficulties. Falls asleep no problem, but wakes > soon > > after and fights sleep the rest of the night. His > > personality before this began (just over a year > ago) > > was a total optimist. No complaints, healthy, > happy, > > nice family, avid exerciser... > > I did a brain map, but was wondering if I should > add > > in some optional sites. If so, which ones? > > Also, have people had much luck with sleep issues? > I > > have already tried C4 SMR up, Pz alpha up, F3 beta > up, > > along with F4 alpha up, as well as probably a > couple > > of other things...I don't have my notes with me > now. > > I have had great success in making his days > better, > > but nothing has helped his sleep. Are there any > other > > things to look for or try? > > Thanks in advance for any helpful hints. > > Diane Curriden > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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