Re: TLC Assessment and Hot Temporals

[Guest guest]

Pete:

It just seemed to me that I am forever working to reduce " Hot Temporals " as

defined in the TLC Assessment, so I searched back through the 25 TLC

assessments I have performed in the last 6 months. Here is what I found:

1. Only 1 of the 25 qualified without Hot Temporals by the definition Beta

>14% and Hibeta>10%. This is the ONLY client of the 25 who qualified as

Hibeta >10%.

2. Only 10 of the 25 qualified with Beta >14%.

For me, this calls into question either the statistical collection process

used or the hypothesis concerning the " norm " for Hot Temporals. I would

certainly be interested in your feedback on this and the experience of

others performing TLC assessments.

In a related issue, only 6 of 25 have HiBeta % less than their Beta %. In

my training with these people, I have yet to bring HiBeta % lower than Beta

as required by the analysis specification that HiBeta be > 10%.

In the few cases where Beta falls below the 14% level and HiBeta is

somewhere close, it is because Alpha is high. What is the desired

distribution of frequency bands? Bringing both Beta and HiBeta down means

the % has to rise somewhere. Where do we want it to rise? Alpha or the

lower bands?

The discussion I posted concerning the fact that I have no assessments that

do not indicate high Locking Coherence seemed to end with the hope that the

new version of Infinity would correct this problem by a correction in the

math, but I have not seen version 3 yet.

Life With Hope

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

a question...what is your clientele? At one point I thought I was getting some skewed results because many (most?) of my assessments were showing significant disconnects. When I thought about that fact that most of the assessments were done on children who had been severely abused, neglected and were in state custody it made sense.

also, imho, the stress of our society breeds hot temporals.

i do not, however, use the infinity platform, so am speaking from use of the brainmaster.

LIsa

On 3/22/06, <jccamp@...> wrote:

Pete:It just seemed to me that I am forever working to reduce " Hot Temporals " as

defined in the TLC Assessment, so I searched back through the 25 TLCassessments I have performed in the last 6 months. Here is what I found:1. Only 1 of the 25 qualified without Hot Temporals by the definition Beta

>14% and Hibeta>10%. This is the ONLY client of the 25 who qualified asHibeta >10%.2. Only 10 of the 25 qualified with Beta >14%.For me, this calls into question either the statistical collection process

used or the hypothesis concerning the " norm " for Hot Temporals. I wouldcertainly be interested in your feedback on this and the experience ofothers performing TLC assessments.In a related issue, only 6 of 25 have HiBeta % less than their Beta %. In

my training with these people, I have yet to bring HiBeta % lower than Betaas required by the analysis specification that HiBeta be > 10%.In the few cases where Beta falls below the 14% level and HiBeta is

somewhere close, it is because Alpha is high. What is the desireddistribution of frequency bands? Bringing both Beta and HiBeta down meansthe % has to rise somewhere. Where do we want it to rise? Alpha or the

lower bands?The discussion I posted concerning the fact that I have no assessments thatdo not indicate high Locking Coherence seemed to end with the hope that thenew version of Infinity would correct this problem by a correction in the

math, but I have not seen version 3 yet. Life With Hope

[Guest guest]

~

I see a lot of hot temporals too in helping home trainers. Keep in mind,

for one to have found neurofeedback one is usually struggling with life in

some way and must have done a lot of research to find it to get the help

they need. I use Bioexplorer and a Pendant.

If you also see the slow frequencies with %s in the high teens or above, it

might be productive to do a windowed squash (9-14) at T3 T4. And, if you

see Alphas at the temporal lobes in the 30%s and above, ask about headaches

or migraines before doing windowed squashes at the temporals, too much alpha

at the temporals can be problematic for migraines..

~

RE: TLC Assessment and Hot Temporals

>

>

> Pete:

> It just seemed to me that I am forever working to reduce " Hot Temporals "

> as

> defined in the TLC Assessment, so I searched back through the 25 TLC

> assessments I have performed in the last 6 months. Here is what I found:

>

> 1. Only 1 of the 25 qualified without Hot Temporals by the definition Beta

>>14% and Hibeta>10%. This is the ONLY client of the 25 who qualified as

> Hibeta >10%.

> 2. Only 10 of the 25 qualified with Beta >14%.

>

> For me, this calls into question either the statistical collection process

> used or the hypothesis concerning the " norm " for Hot Temporals. I would

> certainly be interested in your feedback on this and the experience of

> others performing TLC assessments.

>

> In a related issue, only 6 of 25 have HiBeta % less than their Beta %. In

> my training with these people, I have yet to bring HiBeta % lower than

> Beta

> as required by the analysis specification that HiBeta be > 10%.

>

> In the few cases where Beta falls below the 14% level and HiBeta is

> somewhere close, it is because Alpha is high. What is the desired

> distribution of frequency bands? Bringing both Beta and HiBeta down means

> the % has to rise somewhere. Where do we want it to rise? Alpha or the

> lower bands?

>

> The discussion I posted concerning the fact that I have no assessments

> that

> do not indicate high Locking Coherence seemed to end with the hope that

> the

> new version of Infinity would correct this problem by a correction in the

> math, but I have not seen version 3 yet.

>

>

> Life With Hope

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

My clients are children from 5 to 18 y.o. who are driving everyone crazy with distractibility and poor focus and 4 adults with the same problem. Almost all have disconnect problems too. None are wards of the state or battered.

Life With Hope

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of KittredgeSent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Re: RE: TLC Assessment and Hot Temporals

Hi ,

a question...what is your clientele? At one point I thought I was getting some skewed results because many (most?) of my assessments were showing significant disconnects. When I thought about that fact that most of the assessments were done on children who had been severely abused, neglected and were in state custody it made sense.

also, imho, the stress of our society breeds hot temporals.

i do not, however, use the infinity platform, so am speaking from use of the brainmaster.

LIsa

On 3/22/06, <jccamp@...> wrote: Pete:It just seemed to me that I am forever working to reduce "Hot Temporals" asdefined in the TLC Assessment, so I searched back through the 25 TLCassessments I have performed in the last 6 months. Here is what I found:1. Only 1 of the 25 qualified without Hot Temporals by the definition Beta >14% and Hibeta>10%. This is the ONLY client of the 25 who qualified asHibeta >10%.2. Only 10 of the 25 qualified with Beta >14%.For me, this calls into question either the statistical collection process used or the hypothesis concerning the "norm" for Hot Temporals. I wouldcertainly be interested in your feedback on this and the experience ofothers performing TLC assessments.In a related issue, only 6 of 25 have HiBeta % less than their Beta %. In my training with these people, I have yet to bring HiBeta % lower than Betaas required by the analysis specification that HiBeta be > 10%.In the few cases where Beta falls below the 14% level and HiBeta is somewhere close, it is because Alpha is high. What is the desireddistribution of frequency bands? Bringing both Beta and HiBeta down meansthe % has to rise somewhere. Where do we want it to rise? Alpha or the lower bands?The discussion I posted concerning the fact that I have no assessments thatdo not indicate high Locking Coherence seemed to end with the hope that thenew version of Infinity would correct this problem by a correction in the math, but I have not seen version 3 yet. Life With Hope

[Guest guest]

:

Thanks. All good suggestions.

Still seems to me that 25 out of 25 with assessment of Hot Temporals is

indicative of a problem somewhere.

Re: RE: TLC Assessment and Hot Temporals

~

I see a lot of hot temporals too in helping home trainers. Keep in mind,

for one to have found neurofeedback one is usually struggling with life in

some way and must have done a lot of research to find it to get the help

they need. I use Bioexplorer and a Pendant.

If you also see the slow frequencies with %s in the high teens or above, it

might be productive to do a windowed squash (9-14) at T3 T4. And, if you

see Alphas at the temporal lobes in the 30%s and above, ask about headaches

or migraines before doing windowed squashes at the temporals, too much alpha

at the temporals can be problematic for migraines..

~

RE: TLC Assessment and Hot Temporals

>

>

> Pete:

> It just seemed to me that I am forever working to reduce " Hot Temporals "

> as

> defined in the TLC Assessment, so I searched back through the 25 TLC

> assessments I have performed in the last 6 months. Here is what I found:

>

> 1. Only 1 of the 25 qualified without Hot Temporals by the definition Beta

>>14% and Hibeta>10%. This is the ONLY client of the 25 who qualified as

> Hibeta >10%.

> 2. Only 10 of the 25 qualified with Beta >14%.

>

> For me, this calls into question either the statistical collection process

> used or the hypothesis concerning the " norm " for Hot Temporals. I would

> certainly be interested in your feedback on this and the experience of

> others performing TLC assessments.

>

> In a related issue, only 6 of 25 have HiBeta % less than their Beta %. In

> my training with these people, I have yet to bring HiBeta % lower than

> Beta

> as required by the analysis specification that HiBeta be > 10%.

>

> In the few cases where Beta falls below the 14% level and HiBeta is

> somewhere close, it is because Alpha is high. What is the desired

> distribution of frequency bands? Bringing both Beta and HiBeta down means

> the % has to rise somewhere. Where do we want it to rise? Alpha or the

> lower bands?

>

> The discussion I posted concerning the fact that I have no assessments

> that

> do not indicate high Locking Coherence seemed to end with the hope that

> the

> new version of Infinity would correct this problem by a correction in the

> math, but I have not seen version 3 yet.

>

>

> Life With Hope

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI ,

Could be a problem. Maybe not. I haven't used the newest versions of the TLC too much I jsut started using them--but after using the TLC for years now I typically see about about 20% hot temporals in my caseload.

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--------- RE: TLC Assessment and Hot Temporals > > > > > > > > Pete: > > It just seemed to me that I am forever working to reduce "Hot Temporals" > > as > > defined in the TLC Assessment, so I searched back through the 25 TLC > > assessments I have performed in the last 6 months. Here is what I found: > > > > 1. Only 1 of the 25 qualified without Hot Temporals by the definition Beta > >>14% and Hibeta>10%. This is the ONLY client of the 25 who qualified as > > Hibeta >10%. > > 2. Only 10 of the 25 qualified with Beta >14%. > > > > For me, this calls into question either the statistical collection process > > used or the hypothesis concerning the "norm" for Hot Temporals. I would > > certainly be interested in your feedback on this and the experience of > > others performing TLC assessments. > > > > In a related issue, only 6 of 25 have HiBeta % less than their Beta %. In > > my training with these people, I have yet to bring HiBeta % lower than > > Beta > > as required by the analysis specification that HiBeta be > 10%. > > > > In the few cases where Beta falls below the 14% level and HiBeta is > > somewhere close, it is because Alpha is high. What is the desired > > distribution of frequency bands? Bringing both Beta and HiBeta down means > > the % has to rise somewhere. Where do we want it to rise? Alpha or the > > lower bands? > > > > The discussion I posted concerning the fact that I have no assessments > > that > > do not indicate high Locking Coherence seemed to end with the hope that > > the > > new version of Infinity would correct this problem by a correction in the > > math, but I have not seen version 3 yet. > > > > > > Life With Hope > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Either there is a problem or you have found a cure for the whole

category of clients you serve.

>

> :

> Thanks. All good suggestions.

> Still seems to me that 25 out of 25 with assessment of Hot

Temporals is

> indicative of a problem somewhere.

>

>

>

> Re: RE: TLC Assessment and Hot Temporals

>

>

> ~

> I see a lot of hot temporals too in helping home trainers. Keep in

mind,

> for one to have found neurofeedback one is usually struggling with

life in

> some way and must have done a lot of research to find it to get the

help

> they need. I use Bioexplorer and a Pendant.

> If you also see the slow frequencies with %s in the high teens or

above, it

> might be productive to do a windowed squash (9-14) at T3 T4. And,

if you

> see Alphas at the temporal lobes in the 30%s and above, ask about

headaches

> or migraines before doing windowed squashes at the temporals, too

much alpha

> at the temporals can be problematic for migraines..

> ~

> RE: TLC Assessment and Hot Temporals

>

>

> >

> >

> > Pete:

> > It just seemed to me that I am forever working to reduce " Hot

Temporals "

> > as

> > defined in the TLC Assessment, so I searched back through the 25

TLC

> > assessments I have performed in the last 6 months. Here is what

I found:

> >

> > 1. Only 1 of the 25 qualified without Hot Temporals by the

definition Beta

> >>14% and Hibeta>10%. This is the ONLY client of the 25 who

qualified as

> > Hibeta >10%.

> > 2. Only 10 of the 25 qualified with Beta >14%.

> >

> > For me, this calls into question either the statistical

collection process

> > used or the hypothesis concerning the " norm " for Hot Temporals.

I would

> > certainly be interested in your feedback on this and the

experience of

> > others performing TLC assessments.

> >

> > In a related issue, only 6 of 25 have HiBeta % less than their

Beta %. In

> > my training with these people, I have yet to bring HiBeta % lower

than

> > Beta

> > as required by the analysis specification that HiBeta be > 10%.

> >

> > In the few cases where Beta falls below the 14% level and HiBeta

is

> > somewhere close, it is because Alpha is high. What is the desired

> > distribution of frequency bands? Bringing both Beta and HiBeta

down means

> > the % has to rise somewhere. Where do we want it to rise? Alpha

or the

> > lower bands?

> >

> > The discussion I posted concerning the fact that I have no

assessments

> > that

> > do not indicate high Locking Coherence seemed to end with the

hope that

> > the

> > new version of Infinity would correct this problem by a

correction in the

> > math, but I have not seen version 3 yet.

> >

> >

> > Life With Hope

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

:

Wow. I rarely see a client without either overly high Beta or HiBeta in temporals.

Life With Hope

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of mtlindsey@...Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: RE: RE: TLC Assessment and Hot Temporals

HI ,

Could be a problem. Maybe not. I haven't used the newest versions of the TLC too much I jsut started using them--but after using the TLC for years now I typically see about about 20% hot temporals in my caseload.

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--------- Re: RE: TLC Assessment and Hot Temporals > > > ~ > I see a lot of hot temporals too in helping home trainers. Keep in mind, > for one to have found neurofeedback one is usually struggling with life in > some way and must have done a lot of research to find it to get the help > they need. I use

[Guest guest]

:

Thanks.

Life With Hope

Re: RE: TLC Assessment and Hot Temporals

>

>

> ~

> I see a lot of hot temporals too in helping home trainers. Keep in

mind,

> for one to have found neurofeedback one is usually struggling with

life in

> some way and must have done a lot of research to find it to get the

help

> they need. I use Bioexplorer and a Pendant.

> If you also see the slow frequencies with %s in the high teens or

above, it

> might be productive to do a windowed squash (9-14) at T3 T4. And,

if you

> see Alphas at the temporal lobes in the 30%s and above, ask about

headaches

> or migraines before doing windowed squashes at the temporals, too

much alpha

> at the temporals can be problematic for migraines..

> ~

> RE: TLC Assessment and Hot Temporals

>

>

> >

> >

> > Pete:

> > It just seemed to me that I am forever working to reduce " Hot

Temporals "

> > as

> > defined in the TLC Assessment, so I searched back through the 25

TLC

> > assessments I have performed in the last 6 months. Here is what

I found:

> >

> > 1. Only 1 of the 25 qualified without Hot Temporals by the

definition Beta

> >>14% and Hibeta>10%. This is the ONLY client of the 25 who

qualified as

> > Hibeta >10%.

> > 2. Only 10 of the 25 qualified with Beta >14%.

> >

> > For me, this calls into question either the statistical

collection process

> > used or the hypothesis concerning the " norm " for Hot Temporals.

I would

> > certainly be interested in your feedback on this and the

experience of

> > others performing TLC assessments.

> >

> > In a related issue, only 6 of 25 have HiBeta % less than their

Beta %. In

> > my training with these people, I have yet to bring HiBeta % lower

than

> > Beta

> > as required by the analysis specification that HiBeta be > 10%.

> >

> > In the few cases where Beta falls below the 14% level and HiBeta

is

> > somewhere close, it is because Alpha is high. What is the desired

> > distribution of frequency bands? Bringing both Beta and HiBeta

down means

> > the % has to rise somewhere. Where do we want it to rise? Alpha

or the

> > lower bands?

> >

> > The discussion I posted concerning the fact that I have no

assessments

> > that

> > do not indicate high Locking Coherence seemed to end with the

hope that

> > the

> > new version of Infinity would correct this problem by a

correction in the

> > math, but I have not seen version 3 yet.

> >

> >

> > Life With Hope

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >