Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Steve, If there is a reversal, the first question I would ask is whether the beta is too high on the right or too low on the left. If you have beta levels at or near 14% at F3 and higher on the right, then I'd expect to see some anger, anxiety, irritability, etc. issues, and I'd be inclined to use a windowed squash (8-15 Hz or 10-15Hz, depending on the alpha peak frequency) to train down on the right. If the beta levels are near or below 14% on the right and lower on the left, then I'd train on the left side. A windowed squash (12-18 Hz) on the left would make more sense. You could also use the Balance protocol, which works only with one channel, changing the filter frequencies to beta instead of alpha and reversing the electrodes (F3 in channel 2 and F4 in channel 1). or you can use the alpha/beta symmetry, which will primarily focus on the beta (since alpha is already in range), and keep the alpha from slipping. Pete > > From: SteveLMFT@... > Date: 2006/05/31 Wed PM 07:35:53 EDT > > Subject: Beta Reversal > > Greetings Listmates: > > I have an individual with a Beta only reversal at F3 & F4. In effect, his > Alpha is well balanced frontally. I'm wondering about the A/B balance design and > how it might be modified to tackle this task and whether it may call for a > different design altogether. Does anyone have a modified " balance " design for > this concern in their arsenal? BTW: His highest absolute and relative > frequency at F3 & F4 is Theta. Appreciate your comments. Thanks! > > SteveJ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Pete: In this case, the individual has F3 Beta at 14.1 and F4 Beta at 13.9. He does present with anger, anxiety and irritability, citing "road rage" emotions as a common example of this experience. I've just begun working with him and prior to your response, I have used the A/B Balance design but worried about the fact that his Alpha is solidly within range and not part of a reversal issue. The specific conditions you mention for training windowed squashes at F3 versus F4 aren't absolutely met. However, the client does present with the conceptual features anticipated in a "...beta levels at or near 14% at F3 and higher on the right..". This case has the feel of being on the cusp and therefore worthy of trying any of the suggestions. I'm wondering about the Balance design you mentioned. You indicate that it works with only one channel however the Balance design I see in my arsenal is two channel. Is there a one channel Balance design? If not, with the two channel design, is it necessary to reverse the electrodes? Ah! Terra incognita! SteveJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Pete: Thanks for your time: As always, you are very appreciated. Looking forward to Redlands in July! SteveJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Steve, Can't do Balance between one channel; it has to be two. I may have mis-written: Balance works with one frequency; the alpha/betha balance and symmetry work with both frequencies. You can use the symmetry even if alpha is okay, since it will simply drop out of the equation as long as it stays in the target range. With the anger issues, I'd be inclined to try the right sided windowed squashes. Pete > > From: SteveLMFT@... > Date: 2006/06/07 Wed AM 12:36:19 EDT > > Subject: Re: Beta Reversal > > > Pete: > > In this case, the individual has F3 Beta at 14.1 and F4 Beta at 13.9. He > does present with anger, anxiety and irritability, citing " road rage " emotions > as a common example of this experience. I've just begun working with him and > prior to your response, I have used the A/B Balance design but worried about > the fact that his Alpha is solidly within range and not part of a reversal > issue. > > The specific conditions you mention for training windowed squashes at F3 > versus F4 aren't absolutely met. However, the client does present with the > conceptual features anticipated in a " ...beta levels at or near 14% at F3 and > higher on the right.. " . This case has the feel of being on the cusp and therefore > worthy of trying any of the suggestions. > > I'm wondering about the Balance design you mentioned. You indicate that it > works with only one channel however the Balance design I see in my arsenal is > two channel. Is there a one channel Balance design? If not, with the two > channel design, is it necessary to reverse the electrodes? Ah! Terra incognita! > > SteveJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 In a message dated 6/6/2006 9:52:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pvdtlc@... writes: With the anger issues, I'd be inclined to try the right sided windowed squashes Pete: This individual has peak alpha at 8.89 at F4. Is the right sided windowed squash a single channel design? I don't see a 1c windowed squash design in my tool box (I do see a 1c squash). I'm also wondering when doing a front/back reversal designs, what is the reference configuration? SteveJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Windowed Squashes are always two channels. You might look at Fz and F4 or F4 and C4 of F4 and T4 to determine the best montage. Right-sided WS designs usually use 8-15 in the window, though if the client has very slow alpha, you might change that to 10-15 Hz. I think there is a design called 1C Windowed Wideband Down if you really want to use a single channel. Pete > > From: SteveLMFT@... > Date: 2006/06/07 Wed PM 05:53:52 EDT > > Subject: Re: Beta Reversal > > > In a message dated 6/6/2006 9:52:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > pvdtlc@... writes: > > With the anger issues, I'd be inclined to try the right sided windowed > squashes > > > Pete: > > This individual has peak alpha at 8.89 at F4. Is the right sided windowed > squash a single channel design? I don't see a 1c windowed squash design in my > tool box (I do see a 1c squash). I'm also wondering when doing a front/back > reversal designs, what is the reference configuration? > > SteveJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Pete: Post Op Report: I've been using the 2c Windowed Squash, 10-15 at FZ & F4 referenced at M2 with this individual and the reports have been very positive right from the get go. Both the client and I thank you very much for the guidance. Wishing the best to the best... SteveJ:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Pete: I am serprised to hear that windowed squashes are always 2 channels. What is the matter with a one channel windowed squash? jim Re: Beta Reversal> > > In a message dated 6/6/2006 9:52:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > pvdtlcbellsouth (DOT) net writes:> > With the anger issues, I'd be inclined to try the right sided windowed > squashes> > > Pete:> > This individual has peak alpha at 8.89 at F4. Is the right sided windowed > squash a single channel design? I don't see a 1c windowed squash design in my > tool box (I do see a 1c squash). I'm also wondering when doing a front/back > reversal designs, what is the reference configuration? > > SteveJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Squish, squash and windowed squash (in my lexicon) are all 2-channel sum-channel inhibit-only protocols. You can certainly do one channel if you wish (there's a design called 1C Windowed Wideband Down) but the benefit of the two channels is in training a larger area. Pete > > From: " " <jccamp@...> > Date: 2006/06/14 Wed PM 05:56:50 EDT > < > > Subject: RE: Re: Beta Reversal > > Pete: > I am serprised to hear that windowed squashes are always 2 channels. What > is the matter with a one channel windowed squash? > jim > > Re: Beta Reversal > > > > > > In a message dated 6/6/2006 9:52:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > pvdtlc@... writes: > > > > With the anger issues, I'd be inclined to try the right sided windowed > > squashes > > > > > > Pete: > > > > This individual has peak alpha at 8.89 at F4. Is the right sided > windowed > > squash a single channel design? I don't see a 1c windowed squash design > in my > > tool box (I do see a 1c squash). I'm also wondering when doing a > front/back > > reversal designs, what is the reference configuration? > > > > SteveJ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Pete: 10-4. Jim Re: Beta Reversal> >> >> > In a message dated 6/6/2006 9:52:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,> > pvdtlcbellsouth (DOT) net writes:> >> > With the anger issues, I'd be inclined to try the right sided windowed> > squashes> >> >> > Pete:> >> > This individual has peak alpha at 8.89 at F4. Is the right sided> windowed> > squash a single channel design? I don't see a 1c windowed squash design> in my> > tool box (I do see a 1c squash). I'm also wondering when doing a> front/back> > reversal designs, what is the reference configuration?> >> > SteveJ> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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