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Sounds like a mold hit to me & probably a combination of things. But if you

see stained ceiling tiles you need to leave even if you've taken CSM. Just

because you take the medication it won't keep you from getting an exposure. It

only helps remove the toxins, your body still reacts to the toxic

contaminates.

What is an asthma attack like? Last night I went out with my

family to an Irish Pub. I haven't been out to a bar for awhile

because I have been so sick (mycotoxicosis). Anyway, the pub was full

of smoke and I assume that the pub was moldy because you could see

many water leaks on the ceiling. After about 10 minutes I got a

horrible headeache and after 1/2 hour I started having problems

breathing. It seemed like I couldn't get enough air into my lungs no

matter what I did. I thought maybe I was just going crazy and tried

to concentrate and take deep breaths. It didn't help. I thought I

was going to pass out. Eventually I just waited outside in the cold

until my family was ready to leave. After about 45 minutes I was able

to breathe better. This has never happened to me before. I even took

my CSM before I left.

So is this just a new way of my responding to mold? Could it

be asthma?

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  • 4 years later...

DIET RELATED TIPS TO HELP NUTRITIONALLY WITH ASTHMA, EMPHYSEMA and COPD

• The diet should consist of 50 percent raw organically grown foods (start by

steaming lightly or juicing, especially if you are not used to eating raw

foods). Avoid foods that cause excess mucus to be formed in the gastrointestinal

tracts, lungs, sinuses, and nasal cavity. Foods that lead to the formation of

mucus are meats, eggs, dairy products, processed foods, tobacco, junk foods, and

white flour products (pasta, white rice and white breads).

• Consume foods that require less chewing. When experiencing chronic lung

disease a person may have difficulty breathing while chewing. Avoid gas-forming

foods such as lentils (beans) and cabbage. These foods cause abdominal

distention and interfere with breathing. Do not eat a typical American

breakfast. Instead sip hot liquids to help clear the mucus. I like a specific

drink made from hot water (not boiling, just hot enough to drink but not hot

enough to deactivate the enzymes of the drink ingredients), some fresh lemon or

lime and some molasses and organic raw honey. It's a warm sweet and sour drink.

Excellent way to start the day. After an hour when you become hungry follow the

hot drink by eating low sugar fruits like apples (organically grown), pears,

oranges, berries and plums.

Apples contain well-recognized medicinal and nutritional ingredients that offer

profound benefit in protecting the health of, and optimizing lung function

(Nick, p.142). A long-term study between 1979 and 1983 " found that lung function

was linearly associated with dietary apple intake...The researchers found...that

eating five or more apples a week was linked to slightly better lung function.

The lung capacity in those individuals who ate apples was 138 millilitres

higher, as compared to those who did not eat apples " (p.143).

• Chlorophyll is very important. " Chlorophyll is the sun nutrient which is the

basis for all plant life activity; the green blood of plants becomes the red

blood of animals and humans. " (Alive and Well, June 1990). Since its molecular

structure is very similar to hemoglobin in human blood, chlorophyll in green

foods can help strengthen the immune system, support healthy blood and

circulation, protect lung tissue, as well as help to maintain proper operation

of the intestinal tract.

The highest concentration of chlorophyll of any food is found in organic blue

green algae harvested wild from Upper Klamath Lake, Oregon -

http://tinyurl.com/g1iz and http://tinyurl.com/iw4k.

Chlorophyll content per 10 grams:

Wild blue green algae from Upper Klamath Lake - 300 mg

Spirulina - 115 mg

Chlorella - 280 mg

Barley Grass -149 mg

Wheat Grass -55 mg

( " Simply The Best " , 1992, p. 3).

• Black cumin seeds are very well known in folk remedies in the Middle East.

Traditionally, black cumin seed has been used for a variety of ailments

including asthma, bronchitis and ailments of the respiratory tract. Generally,

the seeds are added to food or ground and mixed with raw honey. The primary

active components of black cumin seeds are certain oils that reduce the release

of histamine. Histamine often causes allergic reactions and is associated with

respiratory conditions such as bronchial asthma (Nutrition Science News, Jan.

2001, p.28). You can purchase black cumin seeds from Middle Eastern or Indian

grocery stores.

• Coenzyme Q10 is a very powerful antioxidant needed to protect the lungs.

Choose a formula where CoQ10 is micro-blended with organic flax seed oil and

wild-crafted blue green algae - http://tinyurl.com/f1f7.

• Make sure you are taking enzymes with meals to digest your meals thoroughly.

Make sure your enzyme blend is mixed with a whole food. Enzymes need nutrient

co-factors in order to function properly, so these enzymes are micro-blended

with a mineral-rich whole food which supplies those needed co-factors -

http://tinyurl.com/mkwo. Also take acidophilus (http://tinyurl.com/24ajq) and

bifidus (http://tinyurl.com/26rur) so you can get rid of excess mucus and reduce

gas and distention.

• In addition to taking enzymes with your meals to digest your cooked foods, use

your enzymes in between meals to reduce excess mucus and inflammation.

" Systemic enzyme therapy is used to reduce swelling and inflammation. Enzyme

therapy stimulates the immune system, improves circulation, and helps speed

tissue repair by bringing nutrients to the damaged area and removing waste

products....Enzymes stimulate the body's own natural enzymatic processes without

causing the immune system to be suppressed. They increase tissue permeability,

as well as the rate of degradation of inflammatory and toxic products, and

increase the rate of microthrombi breakdown, therefore reducing swelling.

Consequently, they improve the supply of nutrients and oxygen to the tissues and

the removal of the end products of normal metabolism. Therefore, the duration of

the inflammatory process is reduced, ...and the healing process progresses more

quickly ... " (Cichoke, pgs. 384-385).

• Use castor oil packs on the chest. These packs are so soothing for emphysema

and asthma. Directions for applying castor-oil packs over any area that has

inflammation and discomfort: Buy cold-pressed castor-oil. Choose a quiet place

where you can lie down. To make a castor-oil pack, you will need: cotton -

flannel sheet pieces (four of them) measuring 1 foot by 3 feet, castor oil, a

plastic sheet or plastic bag, a heating pad and a towel. Place the flannel

sheets on top of each other. Pour castor oil into a large bowl (enough for

soaking the sheets). Soak the cloth in it. Squeeze out the excess oil and lay

the saturated cloth over the affected region. Place the plastic over the cloth.

Put the heating pad(low heat) over the plastic. The towel is just in case you

need to wipe any oil. Lie down and relax and leave the castor-oil packs in place

for 30 minutes. Repeat three to seven times per week, for one to two months. You

can store the oil-drenched cloth in a plastic bag between uses. You don't need

to soak the cloth every time. Use the cloth three to four times and then throw

it out and make a new one.

• Avoid air pollution. Change jobs if necessary because your present environment

may be dirty, dusty, and toxic to inhale. Do not use aerosol products.

• Rest and avoid stress. Get plenty of fresh air.

• Drink at least 8-10 glasses of water daily. Don't drink with meals, just in

between meals (small sips of water).

• Juicing is very helpful. Use carrot, parsley, celery, kale and different green

leafy vegetables like kale and parsley. Smoothies provide raw ingredients that

have lots of nutrients. Also, use brightly colored fruits such as blueberries,

cherries, mangoes, etc. My favorite machine for making smoothies is the Vita

Mix, because the resulting drink includes the very valuable fiber. It's an easy

and enjoyable way to get your daily servings of fruits and vegetables, with no

messy clean-up. You can get free ground shipping worth $25.00 if you use this

code ~ 06-001715.

• Take a clove or two of fresh organic garlic when you go to sleep at night. Cut

it in small pieces and swallow it with a glass of water. Garlic is a natural

antibiotic to help prevent infection. Garlic is a strong medicinal food.

Therefore, make sure you don't take raw garlic more than 3 weeks in a row.

• A folk remedy for asthma is ginger. Make a tea of freshly grated ginger root.

Even just chewing a small part of the root can work literal wonders.

• Celery seeds are believed to be a tonic for asthma. An infusion of the seeds

in water in the ratio 1:20 is thought to calm the nerves and relief asthmatic

wheezing.

• A fast on cayenne powder mixed with fresh lemon juice and organic maple syrup

should help with clearing inflammation in lungs. Drink 8 to 12 glasses of the

above ingredients mixed with water throughout the day. Continue this fast for up

to 20 days. I'm told by people who have done this fast that emphysema or asthma

would clear up.

References:

Cichoke, . (1994). Enzymes and Enzyme Therapy. New Canaan, Connecticut:

Keats publishing, Inc.

Nick, . (June 2004). " Whole Foods Bestow Lung Cancer Protection and Improve

Lung Function " . Townsend Letter for Doctors and patients. pgs. 142-144.

Check http://www.bluegreensolutions.com, and click on " Test Drive Your New Body "

for a 15 minute video of how health works.

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Duncan,

I'm new to this forum so I'm not sure of all the players. Are you a ND,

nutritionist, or nutritional researcher?

Gayle

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From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 1:15:16 PM

Subject: Re: Asthma Question

Hi ; no, whey doesn't necessarily cause mucous. I get a little mucousy from

homogenised milk and cheese but I don't seem to from whey even though the solids

content is about 100 times higher in a whey drink than in milk.

According to the PDR for prescription drugs, a whey isolate (Immunocal) is well

tolerated even by severely milk sensitive individuals. A risk:benefit analysis

to compare your personal reaction with the huge and well-detailed benefits of

such an anti-aging tool will show you and most others that using it is better

than not using it, even if you do make more mucous.

Unless you are allergic to bovine proteins, undenatured whey should figure

prominently in both your cure and your subsequent health maintenance/anti-aging

program. In fact you can't do a strong program without attention to glutathione

elevation so you'll want to do it however you can.

all good,

Duncan

>

>

> Duncan,

>

> Doesn't dairy cause more mucous? Wouldn't more mucous aggravate asthma, runny

>nose, nasal drip?

>

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Yes, it does - it has glutathione, it has cysteine, it has glycine, it has GLA,

it has amino acids, it has glutamic acid - and what's great about this is that

it is all naturally occurring in there. There's no isolated substances, so your

body actually recognizes it as food.

I'm not calling Byron a liar - I'm just stating a fact that it is impossible to

be allergic to algae - there are no allergens present. If you go back and

re-read what I said - it could have been a cleansing, it could have been a

reaction to degraded chlorophyll. It would not be a reaction to the algae. And

there has never been found, in the past 30 years, any microcystins in the algae

I was referring to.

And no, I'm not confused.

Carol

>

> Please don't lump me in with your vague comments Carol. If you have a point

to make on my post, please just make it. I made mine about glutathione's role in

asthma and other lung issues, and supplied references. Since algae doesn't

contain glutathione precursors it can not produce the benefits listed in

glutathione research:

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Hi Gayle,

As a background, I've been keeping up on nutritional and longevity research for

about 20 years since my introduction to Durk and Sandy's book Life Extension in

1982 and subsequent LEF magazine subscription until around 1995 when I got

Internet and better access to research via Pubmed, Medscape, online industry

journals and such. I had to revisit all that during my five year health column

in the local paper, which got yanked after dentists pulled their advertising

following my mercury fillings articles :)

As a wholistic consultant about half of my output is about edifying clients on

what the research says, something like health coaching but backing it up like I

usually do on the list. Besides the nutritional and anti-aging data I use detox

methods, ozone therapy, Beck blood electrification, Beck magnetic pulser,

cranial electrostimulation, binaural beat/hemi-sync, colloidal silver (I make

high-volume colloidal silver makers for people too :) and I take electromagnetic

radiation readings in homes and businesses. About half my clients are referrals

from other health professionals including regulated ones, for things like

drug-resistent ulcers, osteomyelitis, bowel issues, multiple chemical

sensitivity, but some come just for the ozone saunas.

Sounds pretty sober but I do have a fun side :)

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

>

> I'm new to this forum so I'm not sure of all the players. Are you a ND,

> nutritionist, or nutritional researcher?

> Gayle

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Duncan,

Thanks, you have certainly kept up in the field of nutrition.

Life Extension has some great products. I am also a nutritional researcher for

some natural heath radio shows and certain Physicians.

I'm a nutritionist/chef so most of my research is more on food than on

supplements. I was the Executive chef for MacNut Oil for many years until it was

sold. I still love the product. I do like coconut oil for so many things. I'm

writing a Human/Canine Cookbook and I use Coconut oil in many of the recipes.

the best,

Gayle

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From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 3:33:43 PM

Subject: Re: Asthma Question

Hi Gayle,

As a background, I've been keeping up on nutritional and longevity research for

about 20 years since my introduction to Durk and Sandy's book Life Extension in

1982 and subsequent LEF magazine subscription until around 1995 when I got

Internet and better access to research via Pubmed, Medscape, online industry

journals and such. I had to revisit all that during my five year health column

in the local paper, which got yanked after dentists pulled their advertising

following my mercury fillings articles :)

As a wholistic consultant about half of my output is about edifying clients on

what the research says, something like health coaching but backing it up like I

usually do on the list. Besides the nutritional and anti-aging data I use detox

methods, ozone therapy, Beck blood electrification, Beck magnetic pulser,

cranial electrostimulation, binaural beat/hemi-sync, colloidal silver (I make

high-volume colloidal silver makers for people too :) and I take electromagnetic

radiation readings in homes and businesses. About half my clients are referrals

from other health professionals including regulated ones, for things like

drug-resistent ulcers, osteomyelitis, bowel issues, multiple chemical

sensitivity, but some come just for the ozone saunas.

Sounds pretty sober but I do have a fun side :)

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

>

> I'm new to this forum so I'm not sure of all the players. Are you a ND,

> nutritionist, or nutritional researcher?

> Gayle

>

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i just got an email that bioactive nutrients is selling a grass fed whey protien

powder. maybe something to look into?

Re: Asthma Question

Your site recommends 40-60 grams of whey protein per day for glutathione

production, which makes me wonder if there would be any effect at all on

glutathione production from taking the recommended 4 algae capsules per day

(http://tinyurl.com/g1iz), which contain less than one gram of protein. For all

the hype about algae being a superfood, the recommended dosage contains only

negligible amounts of nutrients.

>

> Please don't lump me in with your vague comments Carol. If you have a point

to make on my post, please just make it. I made mine about glutathione's role in

asthma and other lung issues, and supplied references. Since algae doesn't

contain glutathione precursors it can not produce the benefits listed in

glutathione research:

> http://tinyurl.com/glutathione-references

>

> Calling Byron a liar for thinking algae caused his allergic reaction is not

discussion designed to investigate the reason. Maybe he's sens

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hes about 23 lbs... 9 kg or so?

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Any idea how much your child weighs in kilograms?

" Animal data indicates signs of toxicity can occur with ingestion of

0.5 mg/kg (20,000 IU/kg ) "

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitaminDToxicity.shtml

Cannell MD

Executive Director

Vitamin D Council

2003.09.05 updated 2009.06.20

Cannell's biography here:

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/cannellBiography.shtml

A while back,I checked into vitamin D3 toxicity. I have no links

handy but I learned that 50,000 IU per day for an adult (usually

meaning someone who weighs 180 pounds) should not be taken for more

than a week at a time, but 25,000 IU was a safe daily dose. I took

25,000 IU per day all last winter with no negative side effects.

Alobar

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:20 AM, julia lowers. <cocheesie420@...> wrote:

> i have an 18 month old and have been giving him 1000 d3 for a while every day.

 he has been sick only one time.  does anyone know if this is an appropriate

dose?  the rda is ridiculous, but i dont wanna ove

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Your site recommends 40-60 grams of whey protein per day for glutathione

production, which makes me wonder if there would be any effect at all on

glutathione production from taking the recommended 4 algae capsules per day

(http://tinyurl.com/g1iz), which contain less than one gram of protein. For all

the hype about algae being a superfood, the recommended dosage contains only

negligible amounts of nutrients.

> >

> > Funny Byron, and Duncan -- I knew I'd get a rise from you, as usual...yes,

we do disagree on whole foods vs. isolated/synthetic substances.

> >

>

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,

What helped stop asthma/allergy attacks was the purchase of the Ionic Pro Turbo

Negative Generator. It cleans the air even of mold spores and even turns the

ozone into oxygen. It gives me undisturbed sleep. No asthma, no allergy. I

keep it behind me wherever i am in the house. Also someone mentioned take

magnesium to bowel tolerance. It helps stop allergies.

> >

> > Hello:

> > Can anyone here tell me what they do to help prevent the night asthma that

makes you wake up suffocating. I have to use albuterol but I'm told by the

doctor that it should not be used daily, let alone two or three times a night.

Daytime is not too bad, but nights are pretty uncomfortable. Any suggestions

would appreciated.

> >

> >

> >

>

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A lot of people think that, because they are in the " more is better " way of

thinking - if some is good, then more must be better. That certainly isn't

always the case. Algae is a food - that's the difference, and it has all the

nutrients in a balanced form. The most nutrient-dense food on the planet. It

doesn't have mega-doses of anything, like what you will get with isolated and/or

synthetic ingredients.

Carol

>

> Your site recommends 40-60 grams of whey protein per day for glutathione

production, which makes me wonder if there would be any effect at all on

glutathione production from taking the recommended 4 algae capsules per day

(http://tinyurl.com/g1iz), which contain less than one gram of protein. For all

the hype about algae being a superfood, the recommended dosage contains only

negligible amounts of nutrients.

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Alobar,

I recall Dr Joe Prendergast, an endocrinologist out of CA, talks about

taking 50,000 IU of D3 per day himself for years

w/o adverse effects. Not that I am recommending it, but also believe

the toxicity concerns occur after several months on 50,000. Sorry,

don't recall where I read that.

A while back,I checked into vitamin D3 toxicity. I have no links

handy but I learned that 50,000 IU per day for an adult (usually

meaning someone who weighs 180 pounds) should not be taken for more

than a week at a time, but 25,000 IU was a safe daily dose. I took

25,000 IU per day all last winter with no negative side effects.

Alobar

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Duncan needs to chime in to give his opinion of whether the whey from

bioactivenutrients you suggested will boost glutathione or not. At a glace

it looks good to me. However, it is expensive. I take NOW whey protein

isolate daily and buy it in 10 pound bags for a tad less than $70.

http://www.vitaglo.com/2149.html

$70 would buy less than 3 pounds of the whey sold by

bioactivenutrients.

*Supplement Facts*

Serving Size: 1 scoop (17 grams)

Servings per container: Approximately 30 *Ingredients* *Amount per Serving

* *% Daily Value* *Calories* 125 Calories from fat 5 Total fat 1g

0% Saturated fat 0g 0% *Cholesterol* 0g 0% *Sodium* 35mg 1% *Total

Carbohydrates* 2.6g 5% Dietary fiber 1g 2% Sugars 1g *Protein* 15g

L-alanine 1027mg * L-arginine 913mg * L-aspartic acid 2245mg *

L-cystine 256mg * L-glutamic acid* * 3163mg * L-glycine 471mg *

L-histidine 363mg * L-isoleucine 1368mg * L-leucine 2223mg * L-lysine

1967mg * L-methionine* * 384mg * L-phenylalanine 685mg * L-proline 1348mg

* L-serine 1112mg * L-threonine 1368mg * L-tryptophan 449mg * L-tyrosine

*+* 513mg * L-valine 1262mg * Also contains: L-glutamine 5g Vitamin A

3% Vitamin C 3% Calcium 9% Iron 1% +Naturally occurring.

*Daily Value has not been established.

**% Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be

higher or lower depending on your calorie needs. *

http://www.bioactivenutrients.com/products/165#desc

Alobar

*

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM, julia lowers. <cocheesie420@...>

wrote:

> i just got an email that bioactive nutrients is selling a grass fed whey

protien powder. maybe something to look into?

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,

At 9 Kg, the danger dose seems to be (according to the website I

quoted in my previous post) to be 80,000 IU per day. I would not go

anywhere near that high.

According to my feelings of a safe high dose for me (125 IU per

pound), a 23 pound child should easily be able to handle about 3,000

IU per day.

Alobar

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:38 PM, julia lowers. <cocheesie420@...> wrote:

>

> hes about 23 lbs...  9 kg or so?

> Re: Re: Asthma Question

>

> Any idea how much your child weighs in kilograms?

>

> " Animal data indicates signs of toxicity can occur with ingestion of

> 0.5 mg/kg (20,000 IU/kg ) "

> http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitaminDToxicity.shtml

>

> Cannell MD

> Executive Director

> Vitamin D Council

> 2003.09.05 updated 2009.06.20

> Cannell's biography here:

> http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/cannellBiography.shtml

>

> A while back,I checked into vitamin D3 toxicity.   I have no links

> handy but I learned that 50,000 IU per day for an adult (usually

> meaning someone who weighs 180 pounds) should not be taken for more

> than a week at a time, but 25,000 IU was a safe daily dose.   I took

> 25,000 IU per day all last winter with no negative side effects.

>

> Alobar

>

> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:20 AM, julia lowers. <cocheesie420@...> wrote:

> > i have an 18 month old and have been giving him 1000 d3 for a while every

day.  he has been sick only one time.  does anyone know if this is an

appropriate dose?  the rda is ridiculous, but i dont wanna ove

>

>

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Carol, I think algae in some respects is a supernutrient whole food, but it

fails in terms of adequacy on a couple of points.

You mentioned it has glutathione content; all living things contain glutathione

but their glutathione content has too little value to be meaningful as an oral

supplement, as natural glutathione is broken up and digested and not absorbed

whole. It's the bonded cysteine you mentioned (as cystine) that would be of

interest; bioavailable cysteine is the rate-limiting factor for glutathione

production.

Moving on, according to the following analysis from two vendors of Klamath Lake

blue green algae, the cystine content varies between .2%

http://tinyurl.com/BGA-analysis and .6% http://www.klamathsbest.co.uk/

....nutrient content varies with season, temperature, local nutrient availability

etc.

Using an average of 4 mg per gram, 900 grams or two pounds of blue-green algae

would provide 3.6 grams or roughly the bonded cysteine delivered by 2-10 gram

pouches of Immunocal or a 30 gram scoop of an undenatured whey concentrate.

http://tinyurl.com/BGA-analysis

from google's webcache:

<http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0LtCudhbfSUJ:www.algae-wor\

ld.com/algae11.html+cysteine+analysis+%22blue+green%22+algae+mg & cd=2 & hl=en & ct=cl\

nk & client=aff-cs-worldbrowser>

900 grams would, in one analysis, provide adequate selenium too; eating 2-4

pounds of algae daily may not be easily swallowed compared to 2-4 ounces of whey

powder in water. The algae would have to be similarly refined in order to

capture a useful dose in a similarly smaller package.

And whey, even cross species whey, is almost the ideal food for mammals,

allergic issues aside, so it's pretty hard to beat it as a supplement with any

whole food.

Enough of a romp with high-dose blue-green algae theory; few are likely to eat

two pounds of algae either in theory or practice, while many do 2-3 doses a day

of whey.

Contamination of the entire watershed by blooms of microcystin-containing algae

is a matter of record. This would be hard or dare I say impossible to control.

For general interest, if you don't use Google Earth you should; you can see the

blooms and currents in Klamath Lake for June 2005 for example. I could see the

logs on a friend's cedar shake block application too :) Microcystins kill liver

and kidney cells by killing cells' mitochondrial energy centers, something we

try to avoid even at low levels because cell senescence and death due to

mitochondrial impairment reduces life expectancy. Annual warnings about the

hazard tell one how to correctly gut fish to avoid exposure to their entrails,

which contain concentrated algae, and signs remind one to even avoid swimming in

the contaminated waters. If the algae is microcystin-containing-algae-free when

harvested by humans but not by fish, an investigation into a reaction may look

at farm runoff, as there are lots of farms in the drainage area. I would

speculate that reactions and fatalities may be rare, and they may involve

chiefly those with bad liver function or bowel dysbiosis and resulting leaky

gut.

I lived in Abbotsford, which is also in the Pacific Northwest, although a city

it was also a farming area that uses wells, so has or had pesticide residues in

the water. Many people I found out reacted pretty consistently with stomach

pains on tap water while most of us did not.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Please don't lump me in with your vague comments Carol. If you have a point

to make on my post, please just make it. I made mine about glutathione's role in

asthma and other lung issues, and supplied references. Since algae doesn't

contain glutathione precursors it can not produce the benefits listed in

glutathione research:

>

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Hi , no, 4 caps of dried algae will have no effect on cellular glutathione

levels; 2 pounds of Klamath Lake blue green algae may deliver as much

bioavailable cysteine as 60 grams of whey concentrate.

I think algae is superfood generally but unique deficiencies exist for each

type, and I agree that capsule doses are negligible amounts of the superfood.

Tank-raised superfood also exists. Gesundheit plankton is described as the most

nutritionally dense strain of marine phytoplankton completely free of

contamination. Still, you'd eat it by the ounce rather than capsule.

http://www.gesundheit.ca/pdfs/gmp-certificate-of-analysis.pdf

all good,

Duncan

>

> Your site recommends 40-60 grams of whey protein per day for glutathione

production, which makes me wonder if there would be any effect at all on

glutathione production from taking the recommended 4 algae capsules per day

(http://tinyurl.com/g1iz), which contain less than one gram of protein. For all

the hype about algae being a superfood, the recommended dosage contains only

negligible amounts of nutrients.

>

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, I think that may not be much more than marketing, because ALL our dairy

cows here in the Pacific Northwest are grass-fed and I think it's uneconomical

to raise them on grain if that's the implication. Eating hay off-season is still

" grass-fed " . Do US farms feed dairy cows primarily silage or primarily grass?

all good,

Duncan

>

> i just got an email that bioactive nutrients is selling a grass fed whey

protien powder. maybe something to look into?

> -----Original Message-----

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My whey isolate from London Drugs contains 640 mg cyst(e)ine per 30 gram scoop.

The grass fed below contains 256 mg cyst(e)ine in 17 grams, quite a bit lower.

all good,

Duncan

> > i just got an email that bioactive nutrients is selling a grass fed whey

> protien powder. maybe something to look into?

>

>

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thanks so much alobar!

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> Any idea how much your child weighs in kilograms?

>

> " Animal data indicates signs of toxicity can occur with ingestion of

> 0.5 mg/kg (20,000 IU/kg ) "

> http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitaminDToxicity.shtml

>

> Cannell MD

> Executive Director

> Vitamin D Council

> 2003.09.05 updated 2009.06.20

> Cannell's biography here:

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duncan, ive actually been horrified hearing about what what some of the cows are

fed here in the us. from what ive seen, cows are primarily corn and grain fed,

but in the interest of saving money, ive read about cows even being fed beef

byproducts. but because of the cows sensative stomachs which were not created

to eat grains, the cows are then fed antibiotics and given hormones to grow

faster, produce more milk, and tweak mother nature out of another few dollars.

thats why my family uses coconut products ;). good day to you and yours.

Re: Asthma Question

, I think that may not be much more than marketing, because ALL our dairy

cows here in the Pacific Northwest are grass-fed and I think it's uneconomical

to raise them on grain if that's the implication. Eating hay off-season is still

" grass-fed " . Do US farms feed dairy cows primarily silage or primarily grass?

all good,

Duncan

>

> i just got an email that bioactive nutrients is selling a grass fed whey

protien powder. maybe something to look into?

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By that logic, I really didn't need to eat that entire plate of pastured lamb

and mixed organic fresh veggies, because being a balanced meal of whole fresh

foods, I really only needed to eat a few gram's worth to meet my nutritional

requirements. It sounds to me like you've bought into a load of MLM marketing

hype based on nothing more than new-age hippy religion and wishful thinking.

> >

> > Your site recommends 40-60 grams of whey protein per day for glutathione

production, which makes me wonder if there would be any effect at all on

glutathione production from taking the recommended 4 algae capsules per day

(http://tinyurl.com/g1iz), which contain less than one gram of protein. For all

the hype about algae being a superfood, the recommended dosage contains only

negligible amounts of nutrients.

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*I have posted this before, but the Vit D Council recently wrote that

the only known toxic event with Vit D was when them gave 110,000 iu/ day

to people in an insane asylum with the objective of curing their mental

illness, .back in the 30's. They got sick but recovered after they were

taken off that heavy dose. This does not tell the whole story, but it

tells you a good deal.* *D3 is simply not very toxic. I have taken

50,000 iu on several occasions without any adverse effect and would not

hesitate to take 100,000 iu if I felt really ill. I agree with Alobar

that 25,000 sounds safe enough, but I commonly take 5,000 iu/ day unless

I feel badly, then I step it up.* *Dr. Mercola recommends tasting before

taking large amounts and that would be a good idea, but I never have

done that. My measure is that when you are getting a cold, that is

adequate proof that you need more Vit D3* *and probably should up your

daily dose accordingly.* *Since they have concluded that D3 apparently

wards off most diseases including cancer, about any sign of unwellness

may be proof that you need more.*

On 11/4/2010 9:14 PM, e Rosewall wrote:

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> Alobar,

>

> I recall Dr Joe Prendergast, an endocrinologist out of CA, talks about

> taking 50,000 IU of D3 per day himself for years

> w/o adverse effects. Not that I am recommending it, but also believe

> the toxicity concerns occur after several months on 50,000. Sorry,

> don't recall where I read that.

>

>

>

> A while back,I checked into vitamin D3 toxicity. I have no links

> handy but I learned that 50,000 IU per day for an adult (usually

> meaning someone who weighs 180 pounds) should not be taken for more

> than a week at a time, but 25,000 IU was a safe daily dose. I took

> 25,000 IU per day all last winter with no negative side effects.

>

> Alobar

>

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, I agree; for some of us like myself, optimal also means keeping oneself

anabolic to avoid the organ, brain, and muscle shrinkage that occurs with the

depreciation of aging. In the end, optimization retards the aging process IMO;

at least, once you've prevented the top six preventable causes of death, then

what would you die of?

So I especially I hear you on the supplements; in my view when you add in some

supplements that complement the foods you are eating as well as or better than

more whole foods could, you can complete your diet more easily and you aren't

eating isolated ingredients.

But yes, sometimes I do gobble a handful of supplements with a whey shake rather

than with a meal. Whey is a whole protein though so I don't worry about it much,

and I note that some of that vitamin supplement is released in my stomach while

my previous meal is being digested so the nutrients can still work 'together' in

my cells if that's the goal. A meal takes awhile to break down so any supplement

you eat can be fleshed out from the digesting intestinal contents I figure.

all good,

Duncan

>

> By that logic, I really didn't need to eat that entire plate of pastured lamb

and mixed organic fresh veggies, because being a balanced meal of whole fresh

foods, I really only needed to eat a few gram's worth to meet my nutritional

requirements. It sounds to me like you've bought into a load of MLM marketing

hype based on nothing more than new-age hippy religion and wishful thinking.

>

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Jim, if they were using vitamin D3 that is. D2 was also in common use until the

70's.

all good,

Duncan

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> *I have posted this before, but the Vit D Council recently wrote that

> the only known toxic event with Vit D was when them gave 110,000 iu/ day

> to people in an insane asylum with the objective of curing their mental

> illness, .back in the 30's. They got sick but recovered after they were

> taken off that heavy dose.

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