Re: More about bedwetters

[Guest guest]

Rosemary, actually we have a similar bedwetting case - a 9-year old "overcontrolled little lady" (elevated hibeta frontally): first we trained Val Brown's period 1 protocol 10 to 15 times (2-channel C3-C4, left beta right SMR with the usual inhibits).

Result: no behaviour changes. Then we changed to Othmer's bipolar 1-channel T3/T4; at the end of the session we add 5 minutes F3/F4 bipolar for control. Heureka, now the lady drives into a little chaos: she becomes more sensitive (loves to be touched etc.), she doesn't fell well, but changes in her behaviour are apparent after 5 sessions; not yet stopping bedwetting, but moving into a new period.

We think we have to elaborate her limbic trauma(ta) and hope in this case it is best done by Othmer's training protocols. If we are lucky her parents stay patient in her chaotic period.

Uwe

[Guest guest]

The Othmers reported good success may years ago with right smr.

My greatest success have been with hypnosis

On Feb 23, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Rosemary Herron wrote:

> Hi All,

>  

> I have an 8 year old boy client....the " perfect " child.  Mom answers

> " 0 " to all symptoms except bedwetting.  Gets good grades, is

> relatively obedient , etc. 

>  

> Started off with window squashes at C3 and C4, ended up at all C3

> 15-18 rewards. (inhibits 2-10, 23-36)  He had a few dry nites, began

> to wake up at night to go.  Then nothing.  Have increased frequency

> and gone forward.  He did 30 minutes of 2 ch C3 and F3 15-22 = no

> result.  30 minutes of 2 ch C3 and Cz = yawned all the way home, went

> to sleep early.  (I would have been up for a week doing this one.)  My

> next choice is C3-C4-G 15-22.   And I am considering eyes closed

> frontal training beta up.

>  

> He is right handed.  Has a lot of hibeta in the frontal sites.  Peak

> alpha about 8.5.  He has high theta levels and his alpha at C3 tends

> to go up and down during sessions.  Just looking at his assessment,

> one would think he should have all kinds of symptoms, but he doesn't

> and I don't want to start any up.  It is as though he becomes immune

> to the training.  He is getting discouraged. 

>  

> Open to any and all suggestions. 

>  

> Rosemary

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rosemary,

I had similar frustrations training a 3rd grader.Even though he should

have responded to all sorts of protocols, the only thing that made a

difference consistently was SMR training, which I did 1C C4 and 2C cz

& C4, both referenced to A2.

He was a bedwetter, and this seemed to work. I did 2 inhibits, 1

reward. In his case, I had to rejigger the reward each time.

Sometimes, 7.5-10.5 would calm him, sometimes 8.5-11.15, and sometimes

9-12. He was very jiggly, so it was easy to see the physical signs

when I hit the right bandwidth.

Jane

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[Guest guest]

Jane et al,

Have not heard yet how the C3-C4-G 15-18 did with the bedwetting. This child sits very still and relaxed. Only time he moves is if he catches me watching him and gives me an indignant "WHAT NOW?" (very cute kid ;-) Will let you know any outcomes.

Rosemary

Rosemary

Re: More about bedwetters

Rosemary,I had similar frustrations training a 3rd grader.Even though he shouldhave responded to all sorts of protocols, the only thing that made adifference consistently was SMR training, which I did 1C C4 and 2C cz & C4, both referenced to A2.He was a bedwetter, and this seemed to work. I did 2 inhibits, 1reward. In his case, I had to rejigger the reward each time.Sometimes, 7.5-10.5 would calm him, sometimes 8.5-11.15, and sometimes9-12. He was very jiggly, so it was easy to see the physical signswhen I hit the right bandwidth.Jane-

[Guest guest]



,

Thanks. I may give that a shot, although I thought Othmers always pushed C3 beta reward for bedwetting to wake up the brain and reregulate sleeping patterns. I started out doing 2 ch reward with C3 beta and C4 SMR. Haven't tried just right side SMR.

Rosemary

Re: More about bedwetters

The Othmers reported good success may years ago with right smr.My greatest success have been with hypnosisOn Feb 23, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Rosemary Herron wrote:

Hi All, I have an 8 year old boy client....the "perfect" child. Mom answers "0" to all symptoms except bedwetting. Gets good grades, is relatively obedient , etc. Started off with window squashes at C3 and C4, ended up at all C3 15-18 rewards. (inhibits 2-10, 23-36) He had a few dry nites, began to wake up at night to go. Then nothing. Have increased frequency and gone forward. He did 30 minutes of 2 ch C3 and F3 15-22 = no result. 30 minutes of 2 ch C3 and Cz = yawned all the way home, went to sleep early. (I would have been up for a week doing this one.) My next choice is C3-C4-G 15-22. And I am considering eyes closed frontal training beta up. He is right handed. Has a lot of hibeta in the frontal sites. Peak alpha about 8.5. He has high theta levels and his alpha at C3 tends to go up and down during sessions. Just looking at his assessment, one would think he should have all kinds of symptoms, but he doesn't and I don't want to start any up. It is as though he becomes immune to the training. He is getting discouraged. Open to any and all suggestions. Rosemary

[Guest guest]

I'll have to review his graphs, but I seem to remember that most of the time he pulls theta down and that he has an alpha that tends to jump up now and then. Parents have him in Pull-ups and don't over react to his being wet. They figure he will outgrow it but it would be nice if it happened sooner than later.

Thanks,

Rosemary

Re: More about bedwetters

The Othmers reported good success may years ago with right smr.My greatest success have been with hypnosisOn Feb 23, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Rosemary Herron wrote:

Hi All, I have an 8 year old boy client....the "perfect" child. Mom answers "0" to all symptoms except bedwetting. Gets good grades, is relatively obedient , etc. Started off with window squashes at C3 and C4, ended up at all C3 15-18 rewards. (inhibits 2-10, 23-36) He had a few dry nites, began to wake up at night to go. Then nothing. Have increased frequency and gone forward. He did 30 minutes of 2 ch C3 and F3 15-22 = no result. 30 minutes of 2 ch C3 and Cz = yawned all the way home, went to sleep early. (I would have been up for a week doing this one.) My next choice is C3-C4-G 15-22. And I am considering eyes closed frontal training beta up. He is right handed. Has a lot of hibeta in the frontal sites. Peak alpha about 8.5. He has high theta levels and his alpha at C3 tends to go up and down during sessions. Just looking at his assessment, one would think he should have all kinds of symptoms, but he doesn't and I don't want to start any up. It is as though he becomes immune to the training. He is getting discouraged. Open to any and all suggestions. Rosemary

[Guest guest]

there is a high percentage of epileptics who are also bedwetters.Im not suggesting ,a correlation but the 2 tend to run together so the treatment might overlap,I wouldnt be suprised that if bedwetting was treated successfully at an early age the incidence of epilepey might decrease.This would be an example of helping one symptom and cancelling or reducing another,but even if this was true there would be no way to prove the success,I do feel however that both states are due to brainwave activity so the protocol might be similiar in some ,not all, instances,for instance adult onset epilepsy. <gmartin@...> wrote: The Othmers reported good success may years ago with right smr.My greatest success have been with hypnosisOn Feb 23, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Rosemary Herron wrote:> Hi

All,>  > I have an 8 year old boy client....the "perfect" child. Mom answers > "0" to all symptoms except bedwetting. Gets good grades, is > relatively obedient , etc. >  > Started off with window squashes at C3 and C4, ended up at all C3 > 15-18 rewards. (inhibits 2-10, 23-36)  He had a few dry nites, began > to wake up at night to go. Then nothing. Have increased frequency > and gone forward. He did 30 minutes of 2 ch C3 and F3 15-22 = no > result. 30 minutes of 2 ch C3 and Cz = yawned all the way home, went > to sleep early. (I would have been up for a week doing this one.)  My > next choice is C3-C4-G 15-22.  And I am considering eyes closed > frontal training beta up.>  > He is right handed. Has a lot of hibeta in the frontal sites. Peak > alpha about

8.5. He has high theta levels and his alpha at C3 tends > to go up and down during sessions. Just looking at his assessment, > one would think he should have all kinds of symptoms, but he doesn't > and I don't want to start any up. It is as though he becomes immune > to the training. He is getting discouraged. >  > Open to any and all suggestions. >  > Rosemary>>>

[Guest guest]

I had "overnight" sucess with both my bewetting boy clients (both with overlays of emotional trauma at home) using the suggessted F3 F4 training. I used windowed squashes allowing SMR and beta on the left and SMR on the right. Not had a problem for either boy since the intial post suggessting that protocol approximately 2 weeks ago!

So thanks everyone on the list for participating in this!

Dana

Re: More about bedwetters

there is a high percentage of epileptics who are also bedwetters.Im not suggesting ,a correlation but the 2 tend to run together so the treatment might overlap,I wouldnt be suprised that if bedwetting was treated successfully at an early age the incidence of epilepey might decrease.This would be an example of helping one symptom and cancelling or reducing another,but even if this was true there would be no way to prove the success,I do feel however that both states are due to brainwave activity so the protocol might be similiar in some ,not all, instances,for instance adult onset epilepsy. <gmartin@...> wrote:

The Othmers reported good success may years ago with right smr.My greatest success have been with hypnosisOn Feb 23, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Rosemary Herron wrote:> Hi All,>  > I have an 8 year old boy client....the "perfect" child. Mom answers > "0" to all symptoms except bedwetting. Gets good grades, is > relatively obedient , etc. >  > Started off with window squashes at C3 and C4, ended up at all C3 > 15-18 rewards. (inhibits 2-10, 23-36)  He had a few dry nites, began > to wake up at night to go. Then nothing. Have increased frequency > and gone forward. He did 30 minutes of 2 ch C3 and F3 15-22 = no > result. 30 minutes of 2 ch C3 and Cz = yawned all the way home, went > to sleep early. (I would have been up for a week doing this one.)  My > next choice is C3-C4-G 15-22.  And I am considering eyes closed > frontal training beta up.>  > He is right handed. Has a lot of hibeta in the frontal sites. Peak > alpha about 8.5. He has high theta levels and his alpha at C3 tends > to go up and down during sessions. Just looking at his assessment, > one would think he should have all kinds of symptoms, but he doesn't > and I don't want to start any up. It is as though he becomes immune > to the training. He is getting discouraged. >  > Open to any and all suggestions. >  > Rosemary>>>

[Guest guest]

Jane .. I found this email from a while back .. might I ask what

prompted you to do 2 inhibits/1 reward, rather than just a reward of the

SMR?

With my son I see a fair amount of low activity and was just wondering

about adding an inhibit to the SMR up (I've only trained him a couple of

times so far).

With the 2 inhibit/1 reward do you logically AND the passes to give a

single feedback or use a feedback for each .. in particular I'm

interested if pre-teens in general are able to handle multiple feedbacks?

Hope I'm not off-base sending this to you directly.

thanks,

Jane Gurin wrote:

> Rosemary,

>

> I had similar frustrations training a 3rd grader.Even though he should

> have responded to all sorts of protocols, the only thing that made a

> difference consistently was SMR training, which I did 1C C4 and 2C cz

> & C4, both referenced to A2.

>

> He was a bedwetter, and this seemed to work. I did 2 inhibits, 1

> reward. In his case, I had to rejigger the reward each time.

> Sometimes, 7.5-10.5 would calm him, sometimes 8.5-11.15, and sometimes

> 9-12. He was very jiggly, so it was easy to see the physical signs

> when I hit the right bandwidth.

>

> Jane

>