Re: Re: SMART Brain Games system

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I think you've come to the right place.

Your situation is a really good example of why one should do an assessment before starting braintraining. The TLC Assessment is the cheapest (free) way to do that, but you need to have EEG equipment (Brainmaster or something running BioExplorer software)or know someone who does.

The protocols you mention are the opposite of what I would expect to end up doing for an anxiety situation. However without knowing about YOUR brain specifically, who can say? You don't mention where you are training, which is another important piece.

Most important question tho is, What effect is the training having?

Is SMART for attention deficit issues? Do you have those?

Foxx

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of treesnailSent: Monday, March 06, 2006 7:22 PM Subject: Re: SMART Brain Games system-Thanks for the input. The protocol I have been training on has a 58% 81% filter pair, uptrains beta 2 and downtrains alpha and theta. Is that the information you were looking for? The unit has 4 other protocols that all uptrain beta 1, and I was under the impression that with anxiety uptraining beta 2 might be better. The website Unfortunately, my only help is my spouse. Even the company affiliated trainers are 100's of miles away (I'm in Idaho.) I have a therapist who is open minded, but knows nothing about NFB herself. So, no clinician interaction at all. I have had the unit about a month now. I doubt they will allow returns. It sounds like I need to establish a relationship with one of thier providers, perhaps they can be of some help long distance. Again, thanks!>

[Guest guest]

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SBG has a guarentee. If you did the program and it didn't work, send it back! The Basic program is a basic, "should work for most people", protocol. You are not the basic person.

-- A

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Re: SMART Brain Games system

-Thanks for the input. The protocol I have been training on has a 58% 81% filter pair, uptrains beta 2 and downtrains alpha and theta. Is that the information you were looking for? The unit has 4 other protocols that all uptrain beta 1, and I was under the impression that with anxiety uptraining beta 2 might be better. The website Unfortunately, my only help is my spouse. Even the company affiliated trainers are 100's of miles away (I'm in Idaho.) I have a therapist who is open minded, but knows nothing about NFB herself. So, no clinician interaction at all. I have had the unit about a month now. I doubt they will allow returns. It sounds like I need to establish a relationship with one of thier providers, perhaps they can be of some help long distance. Again, thanks!>> Hi ,> Welcome to the list. The standard of interaction here tends to be limited to "useful and kind," so I think that you have found your way to a good learning place. I hear you questioning your purchase of the SMART Brain Games system. Try to go easy on yourself - many of us have one or more pieces of software or hardware that, in hindsight, may have not been the perfect fit for our needs at the time. I do not have firsthand experience with the SMART system, so I cannot help you directly with that. That will be the case for most of the people on this list, which tends to be populated with Pocket Neurobics and BrainMaster users, some running a software program called BioExplorer. You can still learn a great deal from this board. Also, please know that people seem to find ways to get good results with most kinds of equipment. I've not heard that the SMART system is particularly bad, I've just never been particularly attracted to it.> > It is my understanding with the SMART system that the distributor sets your protocol. This is not unlike the approach to remote training that many BrainMaster users adopt and use successfully. I think it's encouraging that you have already noticed signs of improvement, however small. Based on your self-description, you're attempting to overcome a lot of symptoms, and you may be looking at a lengthy course of neurofeeback even under the best of circumstances. It's okay if the training takes time, though of course you want to feel better as quickly and easily as possible I have a history of brain injury through impact as well as central nervous system infection, and I have had tremendous improvement, but still have a long way to go after well over 100 sessions. > > Do you know the specifics of your neurofeedback protocol? That is, what specifically are you training your brain to do? This need not be a secret, so if you don't know, I'd suggest that you get the person who programmed your system to write it down for you. Also, a couple of questions for you: How are you coordinating interaction/monitoring with the distributor clinician? How long have you actually had the SMART system, and is it covered by any sort of return policy? What part of the country are you in? > > Best wishes,> Merrifield> -------------- Original message from "treesnail" <treesnail@...>: -------------- > > > > > > > > > >>

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I think that your own suggestion to work with one of the SMART

clinicians is not only a good idea but necessary.

Mark Berman

Re: SMART Brain Games system

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> Thanks for the input. The protocol I have been training on has a 58%

> 81% filter pair, uptrains beta 2 and downtrains alpha and theta. Is

> that the information you were looking for? The unit has 4 other

> protocols that all uptrain beta 1, and I was under the impression

> that with anxiety uptraining beta 2 might be better. The website

> Unfortunately, my only help is my spouse. Even the company

> affiliated trainers are 100's of miles away (I'm in Idaho.) I have a

> therapist who is open minded, but knows nothing about NFB herself.

> So, no clinician interaction at all. I have had the unit about a

> month now. I doubt they will allow returns. It sounds like I need to

> establish a relationship with one of thier providers, perhaps they

> can be of some help long distance.

> Again, thanks!

>

>

>>

>> Hi ,

>> Welcome to the list. The standard of interaction here tends

> to be limited to " useful and kind, " so I think that you have found

> your way to a good learning place. I hear you questioning your

> purchase of the SMART Brain Games system. Try to go easy on

> yourself - many of us have one or more pieces of software or

> hardware that, in hindsight, may have not been the perfect fit for

> our needs at the time. I do not have firsthand experience with the

> SMART system, so I cannot help you directly with that. That will be

> the case for most of the people on this list, which tends to be

> populated with Pocket Neurobics and BrainMaster users, some running

> a software program called BioExplorer. You can still learn a great

> deal from this board. Also, please know that people seem to find

> ways to get good results with most kinds of equipment. I've not

> heard that the SMART system is particularly bad, I've just never

> been particularly attracted to it.

>>

>> It is my understanding with the SMART system that the

> distributor sets your protocol. This is not unlike the approach to

> remote training that many BrainMaster users adopt and use

> successfully. I think it's encouraging that you have already

> noticed signs of improvement, however small. Based on your self-

> description, you're attempting to overcome a lot of symptoms, and

> you may be looking at a lengthy course of neurofeeback even under

> the best of circumstances. It's okay if the training takes time,

> though of course you want to feel better as quickly and easily as

> possible I have a history of brain injury through impact as well as

> central nervous system infection, and I have had tremendous

> improvement, but still have a long way to go after well over 100

> sessions.

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>> Do you know the specifics of your neurofeedback protocol?

> That is, what specifically are you training your brain to do? This

> need not be a secret, so if you don't know, I'd suggest that you get

> the person who programmed your system to write it down for you.

> Also, a couple of questions for you: How are you coordinating

> interaction/monitoring with the distributor clinician? How long

> have you actually had the SMART system, and is it covered by any

> sort of return policy? What part of the country are you in?

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>> Best wishes,

>> Merrifield

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If you notice the signature of one previous email:

Domenic Greco, Ph.D.PresidentSMART BrainGames

If you want to stay with SBG, and I don't see any reason why you shouldn't, I would suggest that you contact him directly for details about the selection of a local professional. I expect some are more experienced in your type of problem. He is right here on the list willing to help you!

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Re: SMART Brain Games system

No ADD, more "overfocus." No trainer, tried to get pro assessment and got wrecked car and worsening of crowd avoidance (and savings account lightened) instead. Have noted definite improvement in my internal dialog which had been highly self-destructive, husband has noted improved verbal-implusiveness control, so I am disinclined to tell SBG it did not work, as suggested by another post. Additionally, they asked me if I had any Dx, and I said "no." They would not have sold it to me otherwise, and I had 3 weeks of FMLA left to try to get healed enough to return to work. The pro wasted my precious time off, in addition to my money. Now nearly broke and unemployed, almost frustrated with my success. Had I started even the SBG at the start of FMLA, I would probably still have a career. I have emailed one of there trainers, confessed my sin - I'll see what he says. He is 500 miles away, so I don't know how useful a relationship with him will be, but it is a place to start. >> ,> > I think you've come to the right place. > > Your situation is a really good example of why one should do an> assessment before starting braintraining. The TLC Assessment is the> cheapest (free) way to do that, but you need to have EEG equipment> (Brainmaster or something running BioExplorer software)or know someone> who does.> > The protocols you mention are the opposite of what I would expect to end> up doing for an anxiety situation. However without knowing about YOUR> brain specifically, who can say? You don't mention where you are> training, which is another important piece.> > Most important question tho is, What effect is the training having?> > Is SMART for attention deficit issues? Do you have those?> > Foxx>

[Guest guest]

and Dominic,

Dominic is it possible to do the TLC assessment with BrainGames? That would require a 2 channel device that can send a raw signal to BioExplorer.

What kind of evaluation would your professional do, if went to see them?

Cetainly without an assessment, I would not train down alpha (8-12) in someone with anxiety issues!! Training up 12-15 probably won't hurt.

Although again my question is, what sites are being trained? Is this one, two, multi channel? I didn't see any tech specs on your site, Dominic.

I would also not train prefrontal sites left and right in the same way. With anyone.

Foxx

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of treesnailSent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: Re: SMART Brain Games systemNo ADD, more "overfocus." No trainer, tried to get pro assessment and got wrecked car and worsening of crowd avoidance (and savings account lightened) instead. Have noted definite improvement in my internal dialog which had been highly self-destructive, husband has noted improved verbal-implusiveness control, so I am disinclined to tell SBG it did not work, as suggested by another post. Additionally, they asked me if I had any Dx, and I said "no." They would not have sold it to me otherwise, and I had 3 weeks of FMLA left to try to get healed enough to return to work. The pro wasted my precious time off, in addition to my money. Now nearly broke and unemployed, almost frustrated with my success. Had I started even the SBG at the start of FMLA, I would probably still have a career. I have emailed one of there trainers, confessed my sin - I'll see what he says. He is 500 miles away, so I don't know how useful a relationship with him will be, but it is a place to start. >> ,> > I think you've come to the right place. > > Your situation is a really good example of why one should do an> assessment before starting braintraining. The TLC Assessment is the> cheapest (free) way to do that, but you need to have EEG equipment> (Brainmaster or something running BioExplorer software)or know someone> who does.> > The protocols you mention are the opposite of what I would expect to end> up doing for an anxiety situation. However without knowing about YOUR> brain specifically, who can say? You don't mention where you are> training, which is another important piece.> > Most important question tho is, What effect is the training having?> > Is SMART for attention deficit issues? Do you have those?> > Foxx>

[Guest guest]

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The SBG system, unfortunately, looks pretty much like a closed loop. Your only

hope of being able to train something other than the ADD protocols you are

describing is to find someone who can set up and download (I guess) the

protocols for you. What their basis for doing that without an assessment would

be, I don't know.

If that is not feasible with Dr. Greco's help, then I'd say returning the system

for a refund (since it perhaps ought not to have been sold to you in the first

place according to my understanding of their policies) is the best option. For

about $1,200-1,800 you can get a full hardware and software system that will

give you pretty full flexibility of training. You will still want some guidance

in figuring out the best way to train to achieve your goals, but that may be a

lot easier to find than someone in what appears to be a fairly limited network

at present. There are two listed in Wyoming, who both turn out to be the same

person, who is actually in Colorado. There is one in Yakima WA. That's pretty

much your choice.

Pete

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> From: " treesnail " <treesnail@...>

> Date: 2006/03/06 Mon PM 09:21:51 EST

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> Subject: Re: SMART Brain Games system

>

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[Guest guest]

The original hardware was (if I'm not confusing this) a Pocket Neurobics, which

does work with BioExplorer, though the hardware shown on the company's site

looks like a pretty tricked-out version if it is at all. The batteries and

dongle/receiver still look like a PN.

The device is a 2-channel device: each channel requires an active and reference

electrode (2 plugs) and they share a ground. Yours is activated for 1 channel

at present (3 plugs, active, reference and ground) and a provider could activate

it for 2 channels (all five plugs).

If symptoms are improving that's great. The issue would be how long you have

been training (how many sessions) and which symptoms are improving. Ideally,

selecting the most effective protocols is one of the things a good trainer can

help you with, so you are more likely to get clear changes and lasting changes.

Pete

>

> From: " treesnail " <treesnail@...>

> Date: 2006/03/07 Tue PM 08:52:16 EST

>

> Subject: Re: SMART Brain Games system

>

> I have been checking on things, and I think the BoiExplorer is

compatible, waiting confirmation from the company. My unit has 5

(what I assume you are calling) channels, but I can only access

three of them. One goes on the top, one live lead behind one ear and

a nuetral lead behind the other - I've paid no attention to which

ear gets which. My understanding is association with a SBG provider

will give me access to the other 2 channels. I have only the vaguest

understanding of NFB, but was under the impression that it was

fairly free of unwanted side effects. I have also noted some

abatement of symptoms, so I don't really understand why the concern

over training the wrong spots or the wrong band. I realize I may not

get maximum benefit, but am I risking harm?

[Guest guest]

Hm-m-m... How important is that phrase == "I failed to NOTICE that." ????

I'm gearing up to taking some TLC training classes later this month so I'm thinking a lot about the theory of NF.

One big question is "why the heck is it necessary at all?" I mean to say, why are these five senses doing the complete job for me? I'm still just seeing, hearing or feeling (try the cushion!) things that are happening to me all the time anyway!

And the feedback and training we get from most NF is more like "the roar of the appreciative crowd" than the detailed instruction of a coach. The crowd tells you that you are doing things "right". But they don't tell you, in detail, which things they liked. If a skaters spin is good the crown cheers! But did they "prefer" the speed, body position, sync with partner, or what? And EXACTLY what do you do to spin faster/better/stronger? The crowd doesn't do that. The coach does. Unfortunately because NF doesn't directly map the individual characteristics of the senses to frequencies and locations even the "trainers" often seem lacking.

As far as training goes. Most NF is directed to kids in school. That's where they are grouped together and supposed to learn. Adults don't have nearly as many options. How many can take a half dozen years off to concentrate of getting a variety or intellectual and physical stimulation?

Anyway, back to the senses. I suggest you do a few tests of each of your major senses, and also the sense of balance. Just evaluate if they are working well. I only suggest because I gotten MASSIVE results recently from this activity.

If you were a computer you could go to PCpitstop and get a free evaluation of all the major categories of computer stuff. I send all my friends there. If you look at it and imagine yourself as a "device" that has Input/Output, processing, bottlenecks in data, speed of anything, virus like activity (bad foods or allergies perhaps), and the rest.

I tend to use a few basic tests in this manner. The object is to find how well it REMAINS EASY. Not to look for a peak or ultimate endurance.

Muscles: lift free weights for big muscles. Use stretch bands of smaller groups, like rotator cuffs.

Hearing: Do I have music on and just ENJOY.

Feeling: How's my typing or musical instrument playing.

smells: Do I need a bath. How far away can I smell an "old bitty" in the grocery store (10 feet many times).

visual: I go into a bit of detail on this one because it has been a particular problem for me personally. This programs can be found on-line: eyeQ, and AceReader. eyeQ works well if I'm stable in my "span of vision" reading. AceReader has better eye movement training exercises. EyePort, from Sharper Image is a godsend for me. I spend "most of my day" staring at the computer. The EyePort training for distance coordination of BOTH eyes to the "reading distance" is the best I've seen (don't get me started on the list of what I've tried, it's too-o-o-o long).

So for myself, when I get up in the morning, move around a bit to get the circulation going then sit down at the computer. I do an eyeQ set, perhaps a few exercises, then do a few chores. Then back at the computer I do a set of AceReader. This gets my visual sense "up to speed" for the day and I get a lot more done. Usually at night I'll do EyePort (during commercials watching TV). If I don't do the eye exercises I get mentally and physically sluggish. That's "Slug" as in those ugly little slow moving, live in the dark slimy creatures.

With the visual sense working well in NOTICE things around me more and better and faster. I'm also a bit more critical in not liking what I see and active to change it to what it "should be". Makes the house a lot neater.

Always like to leave on a postive note! Have a great day! Good luck with your training!

-- A

Do Something Useful

Re: SMART Brain Games system

, I had failed to notice that. Not that I failed to notice the encouragement of the letter, I have been half weepy all AM thinking perhaps I have found some support! That's the problem with mental illness - I have an incredible IQ, and still miss the painfully obvious!Thanks!!!> >> > ,> > > > I think you've come to the right place. > > > > Your situation is a really good example of why one should do an> > assessment before starting braintraining. The TLC Assessment is the> > cheapest (free) way to do that, but you need to have EEG equipment> > (Brainmaster or something running BioExplorer software)or know > someone> > who does.> > > > The protocols you mention are the opposite of what I would expect > to end> > up doing for an anxiety situation. However without knowing about > YOUR> > brain specifically, who can say? You don't mention where you are> > training, which is another important piece.> > > > Most important question tho is, What effect is the training having?> > > > Is SMART for attention deficit issues? Do you have those?> > > > Foxx> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

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Your five (or however many) senses could be seen as cameras at a sporting event.

There's a director and an editor in the prefrontal truck which direct each

camera to zoom in or out and focus on specific parts of the action, then cut

those inputs together into what appears to be a fairly seamless continuum. Each

of us has his/her own truck and quality of cameras and camera operators. For

that reason, ten people could share the " same " sensory event and have ten very

different experiences of it.

Training the brain can improve the quality of the camera operators (improving

function in the primary processing areas and the association areas), it can

improve the function of the director and the editor, and it can help the whole

ensemble shift away from " sit-com " predictability that comes when the group gets

stuck in a routine way of seeing things.

As for adults vs. kids, I think you could make a pretty good argument that any

kind of effective brain is learning constantly--not from taking years " off " ,

since school IS life for kids--in any kind of conscious living process. In

fact, the more the brain does this, the less likely it is to " age " . Anything

that adds information to our databases is training. Brain training might also

be updating the capability of the system to process new information effectively

and link it with old information (experience/memory) in creative and useful

ways.

>

> From: " A " <PetePixxx@...>

> Date: 2006/03/08 Wed AM 03:49:42 EST

> < >

> Subject: Re: Re: SMART Brain Games system

>

> One big question is " why the heck is it necessary at all? " I mean to say, why

are these five senses doing the complete job for me? I'm still just seeing,

hearing or feeling (try the cushion!) things that are happening to me all the

time anyway!

>

> And the feedback and training we get from most NF is more like " the roar of

the appreciative crowd " than the detailed instruction of a coach. The crowd

tells you that you are doing things " right " . But they don't tell you, in

detail, which things they liked. If a skaters spin is good the crown cheers!

But did they " prefer " the speed, body position, sync with partner, or what? And

EXACTLY what do you do to spin faster/better/stronger? The crowd doesn't do

that. The coach does. Unfortunately because NF doesn't directly map the

individual characteristics of the senses to frequencies and locations even the

" trainers " often seem lacking.

>

> As far as training goes. Most NF is directed to kids in school. That's where

they are grouped together and supposed to learn. Adults don't have nearly as

many options. How many can take a half dozen years off to concentrate of

getting a variety or intellectual and physical stimulation?

>

> Anyway, back to the senses. I suggest you do a few tests of each of your

major senses, and also the sense of balance. Just evaluate if they are working

well. I only suggest because I gotten MASSIVE results recently from this

activity.

>

> If you were a computer you could go to PCpitstop and get a free evaluation of

all the major categories of computer stuff. I send all my friends there. If

you look at it and imagine yourself as a " device " that has Input/Output,

processing, bottlenecks in data, speed of anything, virus like activity (bad

foods or allergies perhaps), and the rest.

>

> I tend to use a few basic tests in this manner. The object is to find how

well it REMAINS EASY. Not to look for a peak or ultimate endurance.

>

> Muscles: lift free weights for big muscles. Use stretch bands of smaller

groups, like rotator cuffs.

>

> Hearing: Do I have music on and just ENJOY.

>

> Feeling: How's my typing or musical instrument playing.

>

> smells: Do I need a bath. How far away can I smell an " old bitty " in the

grocery store (10 feet many times).

>

> visual: I go into a bit of detail on this one because it has been a

particular problem for me personally. This programs can be found on-line:

eyeQ, and AceReader. eyeQ works well if I'm stable in my " span of vision "

reading. AceReader has better eye movement training exercises. EyePort, from

Sharper Image is a godsend for me. I spend " most of my day " staring at the

computer. The EyePort training for distance coordination of BOTH eyes to the

" reading distance " is the best I've seen (don't get me started on the list of

what I've tried, it's too-o-o-o long).

>

> So for myself, when I get up in the morning, move around a bit to get the

circulation going then sit down at the computer. I do an eyeQ set, perhaps a

few exercises, then do a few chores. Then back at the computer I do a set of

AceReader. This gets my visual sense " up to speed " for the day and I get a lot

more done. Usually at night I'll do EyePort (during commercials watching TV).

If I don't do the eye exercises I get mentally and physically sluggish. That's

" Slug " as in those ugly little slow moving, live in the dark slimy creatures.

>

> With the visual sense working well in NOTICE things around me more and better

and faster. I'm also a bit more critical in not liking what I see and active to

change it to what it " should be " . Makes the house a lot neater.

>

> Always like to leave on a postive note! Have a great day! Good luck with

your training!

>

> -- A

> Do Something Useful

[Guest guest]

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I have another 2 cents to share.

Having worked with Dr. Greco as he created SBG and being well versed in

Bioexplorer and TLC (which is what this chat group is about) I suggest that

it is not necessary right now to accumulate an additional cost for the

bioexplorer. You do not need it.

As Dr. Greco stated " The system uses off the shelf video games, Playstation

and soon- Xbox as the feedback for neurofeedback.

We will be releasing a DVD movie version in the next couple of weeks that

will allow for any DVD or windows media file as the feedback. "

The TLC assessment is a great clinical tool to guide NF - If you want a TLC

assessment then go to a TLC practitioner - you do not need BE, just the

clinician needs it.

However, I think that going to a SBG clinician, get their assessment, and

guidance is a good next step - it may be too confusing to go to

a TLC clinican and an SBG clinician. One thing at a time.

Since I have had training in both systems, feel free to ask questions.

Good Luck

Mark Berman

From: " treesnail " <treesnail@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:52 PM

Subject: Re: SMART Brain Games system

>I have been checking on things, and I think the BoiExplorer is

> compatible, waiting confirmation from the company. My unit has 5

> (what I assume you are calling) channels, but I can only access

> three of them. One goes on the top, one live lead behind one ear and

> a nuetral lead behind the other - I've paid no attention to which

> ear gets which. My understanding is association with a SBG provider

> will give me access to the other 2 channels. I have only the vaguest

> understanding of NFB, but was under the impression that it was

> fairly free of unwanted side effects. I have also noted some

> abatement of symptoms, so I don't really understand why the concern

> over training the wrong spots or the wrong band. I realize I may not

> get maximum benefit, but am I risking harm?

>

>>

>> and Dominic,

>>

>> Dominic is it possible to do the TLC assessment with BrainGames?

> That

>> would require a 2 channel device that can send a raw signal to

>> BioExplorer.

>>

>> What kind of evaluation would your professional do, if went

> to

>> see them?

>>

>> Cetainly without an assessment, I would not train down alpha (8-

> 12) in

>> someone with anxiety issues!! Training up 12-15 probably won't

> hurt.

>>

>> Although again my question is, what sites are being trained? Is

> this

>> one, two, multi channel? I didn't see any tech specs on your site,

>> Dominic.

>>

>> I would also not train prefrontal sites left and right in the same

> way.

>> With anyone.

>>

>> Foxx

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[Guest guest]

Mark and others,

Since is understandably cautious about going to " professionals " , even

if it is for a TLC assessment, would it be advisable for her to ask to get a

copy of it, say on disc, from whomever she might go to? That way it might

be shared with the group members on this list, if chose to, who could

then offer interpretations and practical advise about what to do given the

results. could get collective feedback that might be easier to

digest because she could be free to chose among multiple alternative

explanations.

Kirk

Re: SMART Brain Games system

>

>

>>I have been checking on things, and I think the BoiExplorer is

>> compatible, waiting confirmation from the company. My unit has 5

>> (what I assume you are calling) channels, but I can only access

>> three of them. One goes on the top, one live lead behind one ear and

>> a nuetral lead behind the other - I've paid no attention to which

>> ear gets which. My understanding is association with a SBG provider

>> will give me access to the other 2 channels. I have only the vaguest

>> understanding of NFB, but was under the impression that it was

>> fairly free of unwanted side effects. I have also noted some

>> abatement of symptoms, so I don't really understand why the concern

>> over training the wrong spots or the wrong band. I realize I may not

>> get maximum benefit, but am I risking harm?

>>

>>>

>>> and Dominic,

>>>

>>> Dominic is it possible to do the TLC assessment with BrainGames?

>> That

>>> would require a 2 channel device that can send a raw signal to

>>> BioExplorer.

>>>

>>> What kind of evaluation would your professional do, if went

>> to

>>> see them?

>>>

>>> Cetainly without an assessment, I would not train down alpha (8-

>> 12) in

>>> someone with anxiety issues!! Training up 12-15 probably won't

>> hurt.

>>>

>>> Although again my question is, what sites are being trained? Is

>> this

>>> one, two, multi channel? I didn't see any tech specs on your site,

>>> Dominic.

>>>

>>> I would also not train prefrontal sites left and right in the same

>> way.

>>> With anyone.

>>>

>>> Foxx

>>>

>>>

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[Guest guest]

Kirk,

I kind of agree with Mark on this one. One poor connection with a clinician

ought not turn us away from all clinicians. Dominic and Mark, both clinicians,

have been very helpful, and at least one other clinician she contacted, the guy

from OR, was smart enough to say " no thanks " , perhaps recognizing that he was

not the right person to help her.

The more people who jump into this and start tossing protocol opinions around,

the less likely it is--in my opinion--that she'll really get onto the right

track. The key is for to hook up with someone, do some evaluation of

that person back-channel or by phone or in person (how much experience does the

person have, do they share information in a way that works for her, etc.?), and

move ahead with an appropriate protocol, back in the privacy of her own life.

I appreciate her courage in coming out onto the open list like this, and I hope

that act will result in her finding the support that will keep her moving in a

positive direction. And I hope she'll share with us as things continue

improving--or come back if they don't for more ideas.

Pete

>

> From: " Kirk Little " <KDLittle@...>

> Date: 2006/03/08 Wed PM 02:12:43 EST

> < >

> Subject: Re: Re: SMART Brain Games system

>

> Since is understandably cautious about going to " professionals " , even

if it is for a TLC assessment, would it be advisable for her to ask to get a

copy of it, say on disc, from whomever she might go to? That way it might

be shared with the group members on this list, if chose to, who could

then offer interpretations and practical advise about what to do given the

results. could get collective feedback that might be easier to

digest because she could be free to chose among multiple alternative

explanations.

[Guest guest]

A further idea would be to get someone to do a TLC assessment and devise a suggested protocol and then go to a SBG professional who could set up your system according to the protocol recommended based on the TLC assessment.

The group maybe able to point you in a direction for a TLC assessment from someone near you.

Mark

Re: SMART Brain Games system

I appreciate the thought. I am not so much unwilling to see a pro, as needing to be very careful with the resources I have left. I have yet to find another pro nearby, but have not ruled out seeing one. I need someone willing to set up some sort of long-distance arrangement. Truly, with the wealth of info received the past few days I would prefer guidance. >> Mark and others,> Since is understandably cautious about going to "professionals", even > if it is for a TLC assessment, would it be advisable for her to ask to get a > copy of it, say on disc, from whomever she might go to? That way it might > be shared with the group members on this list, if chose to, who could > then offer interpretations and practical advise about what to do given the > results. could get collective feedback that might be easier to > digest because she could be free to chose among multiple alternative > explanations.> > Kirk> > > >

[Guest guest]

Pete,

Great analogy! Can I use it? But to paraphrase the movie "A Beautiful Mind": "correct, but not complete !!"

This particular event, our lives, is broadcast in 3D visual and stereo sound (for VA senses). That makes it an order of magnatude more difficult.

In the sports event the director switches from one camera to another. Sometimes he blends, does PNP, or whatever. NEVER does he need precise level and both cameras pointing "exactly" to the SAME location on the field. And to follow movement exactly the same. If the sport's event requires the camera's to be mobile then again there is another leap of difficulty.

I won't get into precise calibration between instruments because my eyes see colors differently and have different luminence levels, besides having the "level meter" missing as I've mentioned before.

So our director has his job cut out for him. Good thing the TLC assessment and training is geared toward flexibility.

Have a great day!

-- A

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Re: Re: SMART Brain Games system> > One big question is "why the heck is it necessary at all?" I mean to say, why are these five senses doing the complete job for me? I'm still just seeing, hearing or feeling (try the cushion!) things that are happening to me all the time anyway!> > And the feedback and training we get from most NF is more like "the roar of the appreciative crowd" than the detailed instruction of a coach. The crowd tells you that you are doing things "right". But they don't tell you, in detail, which things they liked. If a skaters spin is good the crown cheers! But did they "prefer" the speed, body position, sync with partner, or what? And EXACTLY what do you do to spin faster/better/stronger? The crowd doesn't do that. The coach does. Unfortunately because NF doesn't directly map the individual characteristics of the senses to frequencies and locations even the "trainers" often seem lacking.> > As far as training goes. Most NF is directed to kids in school. That's where they are grouped together and supposed to learn. Adults don't have nearly as many options. How many can take a half dozen years off to concentrate of getting a variety or intellectual and physical stimulation?> > Anyway, back to the senses. I suggest you do a few tests of each of your major senses, and also the sense of balance. Just evaluate if they are working well. I only suggest because I gotten MASSIVE results recently from this activity.> > If you were a computer you could go to PCpitstop and get a free evaluation of all the major categories of computer stuff. I send all my friends there. If you look at it and imagine yourself as a "device" that has Input/Output, processing, bottlenecks in data, speed of anything, virus like activity (bad foods or allergies perhaps), and the rest.> > I tend to use a few basic tests in this manner. The object is to find how well it REMAINS EASY. Not to look for a peak or ultimate endurance.> > Muscles: lift free weights for big muscles. Use stretch bands of smaller groups, like rotator cuffs.> > Hearing: Do I have music on and just ENJOY.> > Feeling: How's my typing or musical instrument playing.> > smells: Do I need a bath. How far away can I smell an "old bitty" in the grocery store (10 feet many times).> > visual: I go into a bit of detail on this one because it has been a particular problem for me personally. This programs can be found on-line: eyeQ, and AceReader. eyeQ works well if I'm stable in my "span of vision" reading. AceReader has better eye movement training exercises. EyePort, from Sharper Image is a godsend for me. I spend "most of my day" staring at the computer. The EyePort training for distance coordination of BOTH eyes to the "reading distance" is the best I've seen (don't get me started on the list of what I've tried, it's too-o-o-o long).> > So for myself, when I get up in the morning, move around a bit to get the circulation going then sit down at the computer. I do an eyeQ set, perhaps a few exercises, then do a few chores. Then back at the computer I do a set of AceReader. This gets my visual sense "up to speed" for the day and I get a lot more done. Usually at night I'll do EyePort (during commercials watching TV). If I don't do the eye exercises I get mentally and physically sluggish. That's "Slug" as in those ugly little slow moving, live in the dark slimy creatures.> > With the visual sense working well in NOTICE things around me more and better and faster. I'm also a bit more critical in not liking what I see and active to change it to what it "should be". Makes the house a lot neater.> > Always like to leave on a postive note! Have a great day! Good luck with your training!> > -- A> Do Something Useful