Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Hi List mates, Could we also see an example of a child "normal"- maybe around age 10 and another at age 5 or 6?. Thanks a bunch, Sheila Ideal TLC assessment Hello,Could Pete (or anyone) provide an idealized TLC assessment, or perhaps more usefully, an assessment or assessments of "normal" folks that fall with "correct" TLC assessment ranges across the board? It would be helpful to see what these look like to get an idea of what the TLC training approach is aiming for.Luke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Hi Luke~ If you are using one of the newer versions of the assessment, the assessment shows what is in the normal range by showing numbers in black, all the numbers in blue or red are out of the preferred range. ~ Ideal TLC assessment > Hello, > > Could Pete (or anyone) provide an idealized TLC assessment, or perhaps > more usefully, an assessment or assessments of " normal " folks that fall > with " correct " TLC assessment ranges across the board? It would be > helpful to see what these look like to get an idea of what the TLC > training approach is aiming for. > > Luke > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Huh - Isn't this totally counter to Pete's philosophy? There is no normal, there is only what you are and what you want to change. If you mean what would be values that would cause no blue or red numbers, that should be fairly easy to reverse engineer. - Luke Vicens wrote: > Hello, > > Could Pete (or anyone) provide an idealized TLC assessment, or perhaps > more usefully, an assessment or assessments of " normal " folks that fall > with " correct " TLC assessment ranges across the board? It would be > helpful to see what these look like to get an idea of what the TLC > training approach is aiming for. > > Luke > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 The fact the TLC Assessment labels certain values as too high or too low implies that there is a range of values which are just right. I'd rather not spend the time reverse engineering them if Pete could provide them. Grigglestone wrote: > Huh - Isn't this totally counter to Pete's philosophy? There is no > normal, there is only what you are and what you want to change. > > If you mean what would be values that would cause no blue or red > numbers, that should be fairly easy to reverse engineer. > > - > > Luke Vicens wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Could Pete (or anyone) provide an idealized TLC assessment, or perhaps > > more usefully, an assessment or assessments of " normal " folks that fall > > with " correct " TLC assessment ranges across the board? It would be > > helpful to see what these look like to get an idea of what the TLC > > training approach is aiming for. > > > > Luke > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Yes, I see many values that are labeled red or blue, but without median values and standard deviations for " normal subjects " or at least a definition of the ranges, it's difficult to tell whether these colored values are marginally out of range or way outside the norm. If such information were available, it would be easier to prioritize issues to train. Luke Duncan wrote: > Hi Luke~ > If you are using one of the newer versions of the assessment, the > assessment > shows what is in the normal range by showing numbers in black, all the > numbers in blue or red are out of the preferred range. > ~ > Ideal TLC assessment > > > > Hello, > > > > Could Pete (or anyone) provide an idealized TLC assessment, or perhaps > > more usefully, an assessment or assessments of " normal " folks that fall > > with " correct " TLC assessment ranges across the board? It would be > > helpful to see what these look like to get an idea of what the TLC > > training approach is aiming for. > > > > Luke > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Luke Several things come to mind as I read your posts. 1) Over time as the TLC assessment evolved there was " more or less " a natural order of training, doing the " TONE " issues first. My assumption has always been (Pete correct me if I get some things wrong), that the midbrain has such an effect on everything else, while the strictly cortical processes (if there really is such a thing) do not, of sense to start there. Then the trainer might move on to Filtering and Processing issues (some of these may disguise themselves as parts of the other). 2) The assessment has two parts, and the subjective part is based on the client's own experience of the world. Definitely important in the selection tree for training sites, and protocols. 3) Much of the assessment is based on the interrelationship of each of the brain areas, also very important because when you " shift " one part of the brain it certainly impacts the others. 4) The client's experience while training must also be considered. For example, some folks get hyper from standard beta training, even though the objective and possibly subjective might indicate beta training, some folks just don't tolerate it well. QEEG is a normed data base and based on data review of thousands of brains. However since the brain is quite plastic, and the Q represents only one point in time, to use it as an absolute, may or may not be helpful (unless of course you're Jay Gunkleman). However, many of my colleagues who I hold in very high regard swear by them. All that being said, if you look on the " analyze " page of TLC for instance (also as pointed out, the blues and reds) you will find some norms. For instance beta coherence higher than 40 should be worked with... so you might infer that if it was 41, it might be less important than if it was 75. I'm not sure I would buy into that. The short of this, to me, is that the brain is very fluid, and many aspects other than norms must be considered. It's rather like (uh oh here comes the cliché) a quantum or holistic assessment must be done. Best of everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 I agree with Luke that it would be very helpful to include a definition of the ranges in addition to the colored numbers. Perhaps that will be included in the next TLC assessment update. ~Betsy Ideal TLC assessment>>> > Hello,> >> > Could Pete (or anyone) provide an idealized TLC assessment, or perhaps> > more usefully, an assessment or assessments of "normal" folks that fall> > with "correct" TLC assessment ranges across the board? It would be> > helpful to see what these look like to get an idea of what the TLC> > training approach is aiming for.> >> > Luke> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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