RE: RE: Pete- Coherence (part B)

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Sure, Delta as the frequency for dissociated material makes perfect sense.

Training down 2-5 Hz might be helpful, but I see no reason not to do A/T with

children. We talk about it as a " vacation " session after a few sessions of

working to let go of the Delta. Not a bad idea to do A/T every 4 or 5 sessions,

but make sure you keep a lid on surging 3 Hz activity, as that can indicate

impending abreaction (have a couple of those and no-one will want to go on

" vacation " any more!)

Pete

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> From: " Key " <danielkey@...>

> Date: 2005/12/31 Sat AM 08:14:39 EST

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> Subject: RE: RE: Pete- Coherence (part

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> Pete thanks for the reply, makes perfect sense... An after thought I left

> out in the question was " problems not in Theta but with Delta " . I'm not

> sure exactly how to sort this question out but... ..given the population I

> usually work with (abuse, and neglect), could the " Delta problem " be related

> to the ability to disassociate, which of course would be related to " old

> trauma " ? Unfortunately I guess, I associated Delta problems only with head

> injury.

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> After revisiting your manual, lightbulb, 2 things got my attention. 1)

> Delta formation is prominant as a newborn/infant (often when the

> abuse/neglect begins), and 2) " old emotional trauma " .

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> So, my thoughts were, even though the clients appeared to be on target with

> training since the theta/beta ratios, and even alpha PF was beginning to

> look great, the overall PF in the 3's were sending me a different message

> that I overlooked. That " old trauma, etc " could easily still be affecting

> their behavior, which could explain a sudden, unexpected rage (after being

> behaviorally appropriate for months, maybe even over a year, and doing well

> {theta/beta} in school).

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> If so, would alpha/theta (which I've only used with adults {addictions, etc)

> be something that might help, or just continue to shore up those " blue

> areas " and calm/reduce the " red ones " (TLC assessment)

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> Any thoughts

> Thanks

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Pete

Actually, I've had one (well one and kinda 1/2) of those. A gentleman

working on some very difficult stuff, suddenly said " I think I'm going to

pass out " , within less than a second he had a cold sweat, no color, and eyes

rolling back. He went there FAST! The other was 14-year-old who had nausea

(almost to the point of vomiting). Now when I do alpha theta I try to do

what I normally do in therapy, constantly monitor skin tone, heartbeat, body

language. And as you said I may have lost one client because he didn't

enjoy the " vacation " . Penniston et al, must have had similar experiences,

but I've never found much written about them. Maybe that's why they did

stabilization NFB and hand warming prior to A/T ??

It was my bad, for letting NFB lull me into watching my screen (I use dual

monitors) more than I watched the client. Hopefully the lesson was learned

and it will never happen again.