Re: Update, confusing results (KC) Remember this?

[Guest guest]

St 's Regional Health Center

235 West Sixth st.

Reno NV

Thursday, Jul 3 1997 I presented to the St. s Emergency Medical

Center with chest pain, difficulty breathing and intense heart

palpitations resulting from a known and deliberately controlled

exposure to a fungal species later identified as Stachybotrys.

My intent was to determine if these manifestations of mold exposure

could be measured and assessed by the diagnostic tools of your

clinic.

I had timed similar episodes of mold reactivity and informed the

staff of my intentions to correlate cardiological symptoms with the

decreased effects which usually occured around four hours after the

exposure.

The palpitations were clearly audible to the technician installing

the instruments and I predicted that these would abate at some point

within four hours and asked that any change be noted when the

audible nature of the palpitations ceased.

When the palpitations finally stopped, I asked if there had been any

change and the technician replied that there had indeed been a

measurable increase in blood pressure but that it was

not " clinically significant. "

Despite the ambivalent nature of this fluctuation, I stated that it

was of extreme importance to me because it signalled the end of a

discomfitting reaction to mold.

The blank stare and unresponsiveness of the technician suggested

that my words held little import.

The cardiologist on call, Dr Cole, brought my discharge papers and

stated that there was nothing wrong with my heart.

Despite my assertions of mold reactivity, a diagnosis was made of:

" ACUTE HEART PALPITATIONS

This is usually due to premature beats of the heart, that are called

extrasystoles. The sensation of your heart skipping a beat is often

a very frightening symptom. Most people (with normal beats) have

these at times, and they are often not felt at all. In the absence

of heart disease, palpitations are not a dangerous problem, but

rather an annoyance.

Extrasystoles are often brought on by heart stimulants. These

include caffeine, nicotine, OTC diet pills, decongestants, and

illegal " uppers " .

Stress and fatigue are prominent factors also. "

I informed Dr Cole that I was under the influence of none of these

factors and that my palpitations were induced by a reactivity to

mold which I had specifically correlated and timed.

Dr Cole was doubtful of this explanation and explained that if I had

ruled out the other factors on this list, that hyperventilation due

to stress was most likely the cause of my palpitations. I used the

evidence of my experimental exposure to mold to dissuade him of this

notion but his refined concept was that I had developed an unfounded

fear of mold that increased my stress level up to the point of

palpitations and that even the timing I had measured was a projected

mental construct that restored normal function after my invented

time period had passed.

Dr Cole's final diagnosis was that my mental state concerning mold

was responsible for my symptoms and informed me that he " knew some

very talented counselors " . I proposed that mental health counseling

was unlikely to make a significant difference in my physioloigical

response but Dr Cole remained convinced that soliciting the services

of a mental health professional was the best course of action

dictated by the circumstances.

The growing public awareness of the neurotoxic effects of

Stachybortrys Chartarum casts this incident in a new light and

raises concerns about the intransigence of Dr Cole to accept an

explanation that could be easily tested and verified.

In this case, I agree with Dr Cole that the services of a mental

health professional are required and I sincerely hope that Dr Cole

receives appropriate therapy before his mental predisposition to

dismiss unfamiliar symptoms as psychological illness results in

misdiagnosis and mistreatment of other patients suffering from

biotoxin associated illnesses.

-

[Guest guest]

WOW, his view was a little insane, how is it that people get sick

from this before they even find out what it

is?

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> St 's Regional Health Center

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> 235 West Sixth st.

>

> Reno NV

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> Thursday, Jul 3 1997 I presented to the St. s Emergency Medical

> Center with chest pain, difficulty breathing and intense heart

> palpitations resulting from a known and deliberately controlled

> exposure to a fungal species later identified as Stachybotrys.

>

> My intent was to determine if these manifestations of mold exposure

> could be measured and assessed by the diagnostic tools of your

> clinic.

>

> I had timed similar episodes of mold reactivity and informed the

> staff of my intentions to correlate cardiological symptoms with the

> decreased effects which usually occured around four hours after the

> exposure.

>

> The palpitations were clearly audible to the technician installing

> the instruments and I predicted that these would abate at some

point

> within four hours and asked that any change be noted when the

> audible nature of the palpitations ceased.

>

> When the palpitations finally stopped, I asked if there had been

any

> change and the technician replied that there had indeed been a

> measurable increase in blood pressure but that it was

> not " clinically significant. "

>

> Despite the ambivalent nature of this fluctuation, I stated that it

> was of extreme importance to me because it signalled the end of a

> discomfitting reaction to mold.

>

> The blank stare and unresponsiveness of the technician suggested

> that my words held little import.

>

> The cardiologist on call, Dr Cole, brought my discharge papers and

> stated that there was nothing wrong with my heart.

>

> Despite my assertions of mold reactivity, a diagnosis was made of:

>

> " ACUTE HEART PALPITATIONS

>

> This is usually due to premature beats of the heart, that are

called

> extrasystoles. The sensation of your heart skipping a beat is often

> a very frightening symptom. Most people (with normal beats) have

> these at times, and they are often not felt at all. In the absence

> of heart disease, palpitations are not a dangerous problem, but

> rather an annoyance.

>

> Extrasystoles are often brought on by heart stimulants. These

> include caffeine, nicotine, OTC diet pills, decongestants, and

> illegal " uppers " .

>

> Stress and fatigue are prominent factors also. "

>

> I informed Dr Cole that I was under the influence of none of these

> factors and that my palpitations were induced by a reactivity to

> mold which I had specifically correlated and timed.

>

> Dr Cole was doubtful of this explanation and explained that if I

had

> ruled out the other factors on this list, that hyperventilation due

> to stress was most likely the cause of my palpitations. I used the

> evidence of my experimental exposure to mold to dissuade him of

this

> notion but his refined concept was that I had developed an

unfounded

> fear of mold that increased my stress level up to the point of

> palpitations and that even the timing I had measured was a

projected

> mental construct that restored normal function after my invented

> time period had passed.

>

> Dr Cole's final diagnosis was that my mental state concerning mold

> was responsible for my symptoms and informed me that he " knew some

> very talented counselors " . I proposed that mental health counseling

> was unlikely to make a significant difference in my physioloigical

> response but Dr Cole remained convinced that soliciting the

services

> of a mental health professional was the best course of action

> dictated by the circumstances.

>

> The growing public awareness of the neurotoxic effects of

> Stachybortrys Chartarum casts this incident in a new light and

> raises concerns about the intransigence of Dr Cole to accept an

> explanation that could be easily tested and verified.

>

> In this case, I agree with Dr Cole that the services of a mental

> health professional are required and I sincerely hope that Dr Cole

> receives appropriate therapy before his mental predisposition to

> dismiss unfamiliar symptoms as psychological illness results in

> misdiagnosis and mistreatment of other patients suffering from

> biotoxin associated illnesses.

>

> -

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds so familiar and oh, so true.....

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

St 's Regional Health Center

235 West Sixth st.

Reno NV

Thursday, Jul 3 1997 I presented to the St. s Emergency Medical

Center with chest pain, difficulty breathing and intense heart

palpitations resulting from a known and deliberately controlled

exposure to a fungal species later identified as Stachybotrys.

My intent was to determine if these manifestations of mold exposure

could be measured and assessed by the diagnostic tools of your

clinic.

I had timed similar episodes of mold reactivity and informed the

staff of my intentions to correlate cardiological symptoms with the

decreased effects which usually occured around four hours after the

exposure.

The palpitations were clearly audible to the technician installing

the instruments and I predicted that these would abate at some point

within four hours and asked that any change be noted when the

audible nature of the palpitations ceased.

When the palpitations finally stopped, I asked if there had been any

change and the technician replied that there had indeed been a

measurable increase in blood pressure but that it was

not " clinically significant. "

Despite the ambivalent nature of this fluctuation, I stated that it

was of extreme importance to me because it signalled the end of a

discomfitting reaction to mold.

The blank stare and unresponsiveness of the technician suggested

that my words held little import.

The cardiologist on call, Dr Cole, brought my discharge papers and

stated that there was nothing wrong with my heart.

Despite my assertions of mold reactivity, a diagnosis was made of:

" ACUTE HEART PALPITATIONS

This is usually due to premature beats of the heart, that are called

extrasystoles. The sensation of your heart skipping a beat is often

a very frightening symptom. Most people (with normal beats) have

these at times, and they are often not felt at all. In the absence

of heart disease, palpitations are not a dangerous problem, but

rather an annoyance.

Extrasystoles are often brought on by heart stimulants. These

include caffeine, nicotine, OTC diet pills, decongestants, and

illegal " uppers " .

Stress and fatigue are prominent factors also. "

I informed Dr Cole that I was under the influence of none of these

factors and that my palpitations were induced by a reactivity to

mold which I had specifically correlated and timed.

Dr Cole was doubtful of this explanation and explained that if I had

ruled out the other factors on this list, that hyperventilation due

to stress was most likely the cause of my palpitations. I used the

evidence of my experimental exposure to mold to dissuade him of this

notion but his refined concept was that I had developed an unfounded

fear of mold that increased my stress level up to the point of

palpitations and that even the timing I had measured was a projected

mental construct that restored normal function after my invented

time period had passed.

Dr Cole's final diagnosis was that my mental state concerning mold

was responsible for my symptoms and informed me that he " knew some

very talented counselors " . I proposed that mental health counseling

was unlikely to make a significant difference in my physioloigical

response but Dr Cole remained convinced that soliciting the services

of a mental health professional was the best course of action

dictated by the circumstances.

The growing public awareness of the neurotoxic effects of

Stachybortrys Chartarum casts this incident in a new light and

raises concerns about the intransigence of Dr Cole to accept an

explanation that could be easily tested and verified.

In this case, I agree with Dr Cole that the services of a mental

health professional are required and I sincerely hope that Dr Cole

receives appropriate therapy before his mental predisposition to

dismiss unfamiliar symptoms as psychological illness results in

misdiagnosis and mistreatment of other patients suffering from

biotoxin associated illnesses.

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FAIR USE NOTICE:

[Guest guest]

and to everyone else that have shown or voiced their concern

and most important their experiences with exposures relating to the

cardiology affect it had.

This conversation is great for everyone along with all the fine

details. From what I can gather everyone is right concerning the

heart palpations, yes the triggers are also important, but there

does not necessarily have to be a trigger after you already have had

a mycotoxin exposure.

Not only here but almost everyone that I have spoken to have

experienced the heart palpations in some form or another, some

continue and at times they are sparadic.

, when you asked me if I remember this Sharon & I kindof

chuckled, only because of the date. It's got nothing to do with

being an " oldie moldie " (grin.) July 97 Sharon didn't start getting

sick until Nov of 97. So we just beginning our journey. Gee what a

thought. I agree with everything you have had to say and in the

beginning of the heartpalpations we can readily relate to many of

your experiences and at that time I would have to agree with the

trigger mechanism, reactivity would correlate with what you spoke of.

In this case I would have to disagree with all these scenerios that

we have mentioned for the reason being it has gone beyond just heart

palpations. They are not like they were in the beginning to where

they just happened every now and then and not at the severity that

they are today. They got your attention(meaning Sharon), but they

weren't alarming. Out of about 14 people that were in her office I

think there were 3-4 (of all different ages, male & female) that

were experiencing cardiological symptoms in various stages and I

believe it was 3 of them that had moniters on. At that time,

including Sharon, many thought they were having a heart attack. All

tests, negative.

There does not seem to be any cause that we are aware of for the

severity of these symptoms now. This is what is troubling. Nothing

has changed. I wish I could say she took a hit from something,

whether it was mold, chemical or who knows what that caused this

reaction. I don't believe that's the case. If it was mold she would

have experienced all the initial basic symptoms (and yes, she has

taken " hits " before, including plumes, so she knows what happens

with her),but not in this case. I guess this will end up being one

of those times that we'll never know and will have to sit back and

wait to see if it happens again. grrr. And yes everyone, I will

DEMAND a monitor, unless she is admitted.

It's just very frustrating not knowing why now. Usually we can put

our finger on it. I hate this wait and see game and unfortuately we

all are playing this game.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, I will have to speak to the doctor

(cardiologist) about this ridiculous comment she made as far as a

diagnosis. She put the blame or possibilty for this reaction to acid

reflux and told Sharon to take tylenol prilocet (sp)daily. Oh sure

just take more drugs.

In case you are all not aware, that acid reflux can cause the heart

to race, extra heart beats, chestpain, arm pain/numbness. Yeah

right. Another misdiagnosis. Sharon did argue with her and basically

told her she was wrong on this one.....

KC

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>

>

>

> St 's Regional Health Center

>

> 235 West Sixth st.

>

> Reno NV

>

>

>

>

>

> Thursday, Jul 3 1997 I presented to the St. s Emergency

Medical

> Center with chest pain, difficulty breathing and intense heart

> palpitations resulting from a known and deliberately controlled

> exposure to a fungal species later identified as Stachybotrys.

>

> My intent was to determine if these manifestations of mold

exposure

> could be measured and assessed by the diagnostic tools of your

> clinic.

>

> I had timed similar episodes of mold reactivity and informed the

> staff of my intentions to correlate cardiological symptoms with

the

> decreased effects which usually occured around four hours after

the

> exposure.

>

> The palpitations were clearly audible to the technician installing

> the instruments and I predicted that these would abate at some

point

> within four hours and asked that any change be noted when the

> audible nature of the palpitations ceased.

>

> When the palpitations finally stopped, I asked if there had been

any

> change and the technician replied that there had indeed been a

> measurable increase in blood pressure but that it was

> not " clinically significant. "

>

> Despite the ambivalent nature of this fluctuation, I stated that

it

> was of extreme importance to me because it signalled the end of a

> discomfitting reaction to mold.

>

> The blank stare and unresponsiveness of the technician suggested

> that my words held little import.

>

> The cardiologist on call, Dr Cole, brought my discharge papers

and

> stated that there was nothing wrong with my heart.

>

> Despite my assertions of mold reactivity, a diagnosis was made of:

>

> " ACUTE HEART PALPITATIONS

>

> This is usually due to premature beats of the heart, that are

called

> extrasystoles. The sensation of your heart skipping a beat is

often

> a very frightening symptom. Most people (with normal beats) have

> these at times, and they are often not felt at all. In the absence

> of heart disease, palpitations are not a dangerous problem, but

> rather an annoyance.

>

> Extrasystoles are often brought on by heart stimulants. These

> include caffeine, nicotine, OTC diet pills, decongestants, and

> illegal " uppers " .

>

> Stress and fatigue are prominent factors also. "

>

> I informed Dr Cole that I was under the influence of none of these

> factors and that my palpitations were induced by a reactivity to

> mold which I had specifically correlated and timed.

>

> Dr Cole was doubtful of this explanation and explained that if I

had

> ruled out the other factors on this list, that hyperventilation

due

> to stress was most likely the cause of my palpitations. I used the

> evidence of my experimental exposure to mold to dissuade him of

this

> notion but his refined concept was that I had developed an

unfounded

> fear of mold that increased my stress level up to the point of

> palpitations and that even the timing I had measured was a

projected

> mental construct that restored normal function after my invented

> time period had passed.

>

> Dr Cole's final diagnosis was that my mental state concerning mold

> was responsible for my symptoms and informed me that he " knew some

> very talented counselors " . I proposed that mental health

counseling

> was unlikely to make a significant difference in my physioloigical

> response but Dr Cole remained convinced that soliciting the

services

> of a mental health professional was the best course of action

> dictated by the circumstances.

>

> The growing public awareness of the neurotoxic effects of

> Stachybortrys Chartarum casts this incident in a new light and

> raises concerns about the intransigence of Dr Cole to accept an

> explanation that could be easily tested and verified.

>

> In this case, I agree with Dr Cole that the services of a mental

> health professional are required and I sincerely hope that Dr Cole

> receives appropriate therapy before his mental predisposition to

> dismiss unfamiliar symptoms as psychological illness results in

> misdiagnosis and mistreatment of other patients suffering from

> biotoxin associated illnesses.

>

> -

>

[Guest guest]

>>-On Behalf Of Tazin Round

Sounds so familiar and oh, so true.....>>

It seems quite a few of us have had these heart issues. So have I and in

the past thought I was having a heart attack. Pain was so severe hurt to

breathe or move. Full cardio workup didn't reveal any abnormalities either

other than a small mitral valve prolapse.

I never could determine what triggered these attacks. At times I'd be

happy, in my safe office reading or working on the PC when they would start.

Hopefully we can figure this out to help ourselves. Sharing our similar

experiences helps.

I experimented with some high quality medicinal herbal tinctures and found a

way to control them. Would say mine are 99% better. Liquid magnesium will

help also.

Rosie

[Guest guest]

---On Behalf Of who

WOW, his view was a little insane, how is it that people get sick

from this before they even find out what it is?

--- In , " erikmoldwarrior "

> In this case, I agree with Dr Cole that the services of a mental

> health professional are required and I sincerely hope that Dr Cole

> receives appropriate therapy before his mental predisposition to

> dismiss unfamiliar symptoms as psychological illness results in

> misdiagnosis and mistreatment of other patients suffering from

> biotoxin associated illnesses.> > - >>

Giggles brilliantly stated.

I recently visited a neurologist for some testing and after listening to my

symptoms was told " people like you need a good psychiatrist " .

Rosie

FAIR USE NOTICE:

[Guest guest]

" tigerpaw2c " wrote:

> Out of about 14 people that were in her office I think there were

3-4 (of all different ages, male & female) that were experiencing

cardiological symptoms in various stages and I believe it was 3 of

them that had moniters on. At that time, including Sharon, many

thought they were having a heart attack. All tests, negative.

>

My sister, who called me an " Arrogant Bastard " for insisting that

all the doctors were wrong about what mold was doing to me, wound up

wearing a heart monitor for her inexplicable heart problems.

The doctors couldn't figure out what was causing her " anxiety

attacks " and heart palpitations, which were so severe that she was

taken to the hospital several times.

It was amazing to me that she seemed to be suffering the same type

of symptoms in a place that I told her that I could no longer enter

because of that darned mold which I hate so much, and yet she was in

a state of angry denial that far exceeded the blockheadedness of

even the most stubborn doctors.

To this day, even after having her bathrooom remediated, she

believes that her problems were emotional, and that removal of the

mold has nothing to do with the strange way the " Anxiety Attacks "

seemed to just go away on their own with no apparent cause.

And the doctors are fully supportive of this view as they can see

no other reason for why her heart problems just came out of nowhere,

or why they just disappeared as mysteriously as they appeared.

-

[Guest guest]

>>On Behalf Of tigerpaw2c

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, I will have to speak to the doctor

(cardiologist) about this ridiculous comment she made as far as a

diagnosis. She put the blame or possibilty for this reaction to acid

reflux and told Sharon to take tylenol prilocet (sp)daily. Oh sure

just take more drugs.

In case you are all not aware, that acid reflux can cause the heart

to race, extra heart beats, chestpain, arm pain/numbness. Yeah

right. Another misdiagnosis. Sharon did argue with her and basically

told her she was wrong on this one..... KC>>

Totally agree with you both and I know 100% sure that my chest pains did not

result from acid reflux. M.D.'s are trained to associate certain symptoms

with different causes; however and unfortunately their books need to be

updated to include toxic mold illness.

Rosie

[Guest guest]

Back when my heart was irregular I heard a commercial about panic

attacks and thought maybe that was happening to me and even went to

the test study. That is where they said I didn't follow panic

attacks and found the irregular heartbeat and paid for me to see a

cardiologist and wear monitor. I pretty much knew I wasn't just

having a panic attack. Too bad they don't do MRI's and some of their

patients and test subjects are being attacked by MOLD. I took

magnesium and potassium and hawthorn and can't recall what else back

then and did stop caffeine til things got better. Also had chest

pain that knocked me to the floor and hurt. I don't have any of that

now and wonder if any damage was done or still being done to my heart

etc.

How can I tell if my car ac/heat has mold in it? I had a new

compressor put in last summer. Where does the mold get in vehicle

hvac?

Another girl here ask her boss when Osha is coming to test air and

her boss said mold is everywhere. Really that isn't so true or we

would be covered in it outdoors and indoors. So sick of ignorant

people. Boss still hasn't called b/c same girl ask him. He keeps

saying going to call but hasn't. Wants my lab report from petri dish

and I want Osha's report and would love to hire my own industrial

hygenist to see if they tell the truth. Rhonda

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> > Out of about 14 people that were in her office I think there

were

> 3-4 (of all different ages, male & female) that were experiencing

> cardiological symptoms in various stages and I believe it was 3 of

> them that had moniters on. At that time, including Sharon, many

> thought they were having a heart attack. All tests, negative.

> >

>

>

> My sister, who called me an " Arrogant Bastard " for insisting that

> all the doctors were wrong about what mold was doing to me, wound

up

> wearing a heart monitor for her inexplicable heart problems.

> The doctors couldn't figure out what was causing her " anxiety

> attacks " and heart palpitations, which were so severe that she was

> taken to the hospital several times.

> It was amazing to me that she seemed to be suffering the same type

> of symptoms in a place that I told her that I could no longer enter

> because of that darned mold which I hate so much, and yet she was

in

> a state of angry denial that far exceeded the blockheadedness of

> even the most stubborn doctors.

> To this day, even after having her bathrooom remediated, she

> believes that her problems were emotional, and that removal of the

> mold has nothing to do with the strange way the " Anxiety Attacks "

> seemed to just go away on their own with no apparent cause.

> And the doctors are fully supportive of this view as they can see

> no other reason for why her heart problems just came out of

nowhere,

> or why they just disappeared as mysteriously as they appeared.

> -

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