Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Hi , I think you are correct in your statement that by and large, what they see is not what we see as far as the ill health effects from mold/mold toxins. But, if they understand the initial onset symptoms of these illnesses, then landlords, tenants, teachers, etc, will be warned early on and will know to remove themselves from a potentially hazardous situation. The hazardous situation will be rectified. So is it important that the good folks over on IEQuality intricately understand every aspect of the devastation that many on this board have experienced from long term mold exposure? I don't think it is. What is important is that they understand that mold/toxins may cause illness. You have to realize they are not medical professionals. When they give medical advice, they could open themselves to liability. Also, many times their clients that hired them are the ones who own the buildings. They are in a tough spot. By giving medical advice can sometimes breach their duty to their clients - which could open their livelyhoods to liability. To give advice or not give advice can be an ethical violation and a potential liability either way. I would love for these guys to be able to give medical warnings like a medical expert, but I realize they can't always do that. And there is a chance they will get nailed if they do. And if our ethical remediators are gone because the liability is too great, then we are all in big trouble. Only the cheap charletons will be left to take their places. So what they appear to me to be doing, is addressing what is reasonably in the realm of their expertise, which is to clean up the buildings efficiently and effectively. That doesn't help those of us who are already so sick, but it can help to assure no others walk in our shoes. The way we are going to lick this problem is to stay on the medical community to get the doctors trained how to recognize, diagnose and treat these illnesses - no matter if they are in their early stages or how severe they have become. Sharon In a message dated 2/22/2006 9:43:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, erikmoldwarrior@... writes: Despite the presence of the author of the Personal Impact Rating scale, the IEQ group as a whole has no real understanding of people actually living at an advanced Personal Impact Rating. Studies and statistics using " normal " people as controls do not reflect the needs of extreme mold responders and testing cannot address the changing environmental conditions in a viable " real time " manner. This should be quite apparent. Anyone who manifests a response to contaminated articles brought out of a contaminated house is misguided to believe that their problems are over because their new environment was " tested " . At best, even " perfect " testing can only establish a baseline for a pristine environment. Those of us who have tested ourselves by temporarily retreating to a pristine environment can attest to the ease in which contaminated articles may be introduced and alter our 'comfort level' beyond an acceptible response. The IEQ list is misguided to beleive that that this phenomenon exists only in those who have arrived at a PIR that causes them to complain bitterly about contact with possessions. There is no reason to conclude that the same " effect " is nonexistent in those who are at a lesser PIR and cannot point directly at the source of vague and subclinical complaints. As we have seen, people at lesser stages of this illness can be identified by those of us who have been pushed to an extreme yet they will reject the concept until they become too ill to ignore it any longer. It will sound counterproductive that I am expressing a lack of confidence in the very people who seem most interested in helping and appear to be the best source of information, but this oversight means that their concepts would have accomplished little or nothing for someone at my level of reactivity. Presumably, anyone else at my PIR would also receive information that would only be applicable to someone that would be expected to recover by simply moving and they would be perplexed at their continued sense of exposure and illness. I anticipate that the IEQ member asking about studies on attics in foggy coastal climates will not find information relevant to his requirements in the IEQ group. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Sharon, I agree with you. These consultants MUST be brought up to date to the illnesses certain molds can cause. Coming in and looking at it is one thing. Then go home to your family. Living or working in it is another thing. The results, as I am a good example is diasterous.Ms. Champion does not live in a bubble as I do or was consulted to do a job then the hirees never tell the workers there or the people in their homes.Aree they paid to what they say tp people? Sometimes I wonder. I would like top give Ms. Champion one week in my shoes. Shed never make it. Can just go to work, do your job, then go home healthy to your family for dinner then. Janet s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 In a message dated 2/22/2006 11:13:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, Gingersnap1964@... writes: Sharon, I agree with you. These consultants MUST be brought up to date to the illnesses certain molds can cause. Coming in and looking at it is one thing. Then go home to your family. Living or working in it is another thing. The results, as I am a good example is diasterous.Ms. Champion does not live in a bubble as I do or was consulted to do a job then the hirees never tell the workers there or the people in their homes.Aree they paid to what they say tp people? Sometimes I wonder. I would like top give Ms. Champion one week in my shoes. Shed never make it. Can just go to work, do your job, then go home healthy to your family for dinner then. Janet s Janet, That's not quite what I meant to say. I know how frustrating and devastating it can be not to have the hell you live through understood - or even acknowledged as legitimate. My point was: Is it important that Ms. Champion understand that in order for her to do her job? No, it isn't. Ms. Champion is not going to buy you a new house or provide you with medical treatment. But what she and the IEQuality board can do, is work to assure buildings are properly maintained and remediated. What is important is that she and her colleagues understand that aspect. The people on IEQuality are not going to change the lives of those of us who are already sick. Let them go. What they intricately comprehend about our illnesses is not relevant in changing the situation. Just the fact that they comprehend the situation causes illness is enough understanding for them to do their jobs. Don't expect more of them then what is within their realm of expertise to solve their portion of a multifacited problem. Do you look at some of the stuff they discuss? Tyvek building wraps, CO2 gas for remediation. This is the kind of stuff that is important for them to understand. Illnesses and treatment are important for our doctors. I know it is frustrating and hurtful, but don't set yourself up for further frustration. What you want from them is not in their realm of expertise. Sharon Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Sharon, Sorry I came across wrong. She came across strong so I did. This is why I rarely post as I get in trouble. Thank you for the email. Janet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 In a message dated 2/22/2006 12:35:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, Gingersnap1964@... writes: Sharon, Sorry I came across wrong. She came across strong so I did. This is why I rarely post as I get in trouble. Thank you for the email. Janet. Janet, You could NEVER be in trouble in my book!! Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Janet, Sharon and , I feel the need to respond but don't have the time right now. I will give a more complete response this evening. ITMT, I agree with your general assessment of most of the IEQ group. However, there are a number of members that have experienced severe exposure and some that still do. The ones that were affected as severely as this group are, like you, unable to work. They left the business and don't have the energy to fight. The ones that recovered enough to work usually prefer to distance themselves from us " sickies. " Those not affected will never " get it " until they are. Same pattern here that I found in trying to hire people to expand my business help severely impacted people. The industry is slowly making progess and I'll go into more detail tonight. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 snk1955@... wrote: > Hi , > You have to realize they are not medical professionals. When they give medical advice, they could open themselves to liability. Also, many times their clients that hired them are the ones who own the buildings. They are in a tough spot. By giving medical advice can sometimes breach their duty to their clients - which could open their livelyhoods to liability. To give advice or not give advice can be an ethical violation and a potential liability either > way. Yes. I do realize this. Which is why I don't give advice by telling people what to do, and act so " noncommital " in saying " take it or leave it, as you wish " . I only state the situation and allow people to decide for themselves. It is amazing how often people will decide to take advice that doesn't match their PIR in favor of " mold testing " and recommendations directed at someone who are somewhat inconvenienced by mold instead crawling out to sleep in their car, just hoping to survive the night. It's pretty mind boggling to lead someone into a mold exposure asking " There. How do you feel? " and later have them say " I really thought you were on to something, because I could feel it for myself, but my doctor says that what you describe is impossible, so.... " So they continue to suffer by listening to the wrong people. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 In a message dated 2/22/2006 2:03:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, snk1955@... writes: > > In a message dated 2/22/2006 12:35:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Gingersnap1964@... writes: > > Sharon, > Sorry I came across wrong. She came across strong so I did. This is why I > rarely post as I get in trouble. Thank you for the email. > Janet. > > > Janet, > > You could NEVER be in trouble in my book!! > > Sharon > > Thank you Sharon. Hugs and God Bless, Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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