Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 , Thanks for the pictures. http://home.tampabay.rr.com/rchrist9/ Very interesting and informative. Several responses for, hopefully, learning more about mold. 1. The black stuff on the computer monitor circuit board is most likely not Stachybotrys and probably not even mold. Certainly not mold growth. Even if it is from mold growth elsewhere, that is Condition 2 as the defined by IICRC S520 - settled spores and fragments with characteristics of " dust " - and can easily be removed with any method that removes dust. BTW, I used your previous submission of this photo to illustrate to a client what I was talking about at their company. I then wrote a protocol to clean over 100 computers with similar " dust, " whether with or without mold. I then provided oversight and verification of the work practices to successfully complete the job. 2. The kitchen looks like the wall but am not sure. It is growth (Condition 3) rather than settled spores and fragments (Condition 2) as in the computer example. It could have some Stachybotrys depending on the specific environmental conditions. But what is especially interesting is the pattern of growth. Long filaments with occasional " clumps " of growth in a pattern not consistent with Stachybotrys. They could also be cracks that provided locations for growth. The conditions and food source aren't optimal for a Stachybotrys jungle. 3. The cardboard box has lots of growth and I would guarantee a lot of Stachybotrys. Maybe not the most dominant mold, and certainly not the only type. Stachybotrys thrives on easily digestible cellulose such as cardboard rather than hard to eat wood. 4. The location of each of these and disturbance causing you to be exposed, is just as important. Finally, what difference does the kind of mole make? Focusing only on Stachybotrys is like looking for a dangerous pit bull in the kitchen when the pack of jackels is in the hallway. Some other types of mold produce more mycotoxins of equal or greater concern. Any mold can trigger allergies or asthma if the person is sensitized. Other reactions are very commonly reported but not understood. The kind of mold does not determine the need to remove it or the methods of removal. It needs to be removed and the environment changed so mold of anyking doesn't have a home to thrive in and produce lots and lots of babies. Do we need to know all the specific details of what is in our clothes before we launder them? " Oh, just a bunch of my skin cells which is normal, nothing toxic. They can wait until next week. " Do we wait for a lab analysis before we clean the kitchen floor? Do we need a carpet dirt analysis to know when to vacuum? Actually, if you really knew what accumulates in carpets, your concerns would definitely expand to include that. did a number of studies on this several years ago. For an example of a different situation, I just heard a report on Public Radio about how salmon are dying from disease on the Klammath River. The cause is an organism that has always been in the water but affecting only a very few fish. Recently that has changed to where large numbers of fish are getting sick and dying. The specific reasons are many and controversial but one thing is clear - the environmental conditions of the river have changed. NOW that organism has a home where it can " party " and reproduce. Change the conditions and different organisms will thrive. Not unlike why gang warfare occurs in some neighborhoods but not others. It's (also) the environment. I hope you and others see my response not as a dismissal of your concerns - which are real - but taking advantage of a great opportunity to further discuss some of the subtleties of mold. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > I have been meaning to put these up on my web page for a while for > the rest of the group to see. If this does not scare a non believer > nothing will! http://home.tampabay.rr.com/rchrist9/ > > Can anyone confirm this is Strachybotrys? > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Carl, Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post. The pictures of the plywood with the black mold growing in a capillary type of fashion is actually sheeting I used 20 years ago. I re-tiled the kitchen. The house is a block house but the floor is not a cement foundation. The floor is wood with a crawlspace underneath the house. I laid the plywood sheathing over the tongue and grove wood floor. In hind sight I know this was a serious mistake. They make a drywall type material for this purpose. So The anatomy of the floor was I had a sub flooring of 2x6's, than the tongue and groove, than my plywood sheathing than the tile I put down. I put a water filter underneath the kitchen sink and the line broke completely loose and flooded the kitchen. (the same area with the plywood sheathing) After I dried it out their was no more water except occasionally I had trouble with the pea trap underneath the sink leaking. What is interesting is the capillary action of the mold, it appears to me like it was bridging over dry areas in search of moisture. When I put down that plywood layer on the floor I think it was like a giant petri dish, all it needed was water. The house was 50 years old and already had mold growing in the sub flooring I suppose. So I made conditions optimal for the mold to grow out of control. What other types of mold are black like that? What type of mold would exhibit that type of growth behavior? I was living next door and on my carport for about three years and did not run the ac in my house or go in it often, so a lot of items tended to get mold on them. Leather, cardboard, the gum on brown envelopes etc. What amazes me is that pattern on the cardboard. It looks similar to a nerve cell with the nucleus in the middle and the little dendrites growing in every direction. The picture does not do the monitor justice, that was black mold growing on the monitor, not dust. There is no question about this. I know this may not be common but it was mold. If it was dust I would have never bothered to take a picture of it. If this isn't denial I don't know what is. I took the cover off of it because when I was in the boat water leaked down off of a window into it and caused some problems so I took the cover off to dry it out. That is when I discovered the mold. I just put the cover back on and forgot about it. I did not make the connection with the monitor making me sick until I moved into the trailer and was not only still sick but sicker than in the boat. I wanted to get rid of it but did not want to fork over the bucks. Very stupid I know and I am ashamed to admit it but if I share some of my mistakes with the group maybe I can help someone else. On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:22:32 -0700, you wrote: >, > >Thanks for the pictures. http://home.tampabay.rr.com/rchrist9/ >Very interesting and informative. Several responses for, hopefully, >learning more about mold. > >1. The black stuff on the computer monitor circuit board is most >likely not Stachybotrys and probably not even mold. Certainly not >mold growth. Even if it is from mold growth elsewhere, that is >Condition 2 as the defined by IICRC S520 - settled spores and >fragments with characteristics of " dust " - and can easily be removed >with any method that removes dust. > > BTW, I used your previous submission of this photo to illustrate to a > client what I was talking about at their company. I then wrote a > protocol to clean over 100 computers with similar " dust, " whether > with or without mold. I then provided oversight and verification of > the work practices to successfully complete the job. > >2. The kitchen looks like the wall but am not sure. It is growth >(Condition 3) rather than settled spores and fragments (Condition 2) >as in the computer example. It could have some Stachybotrys depending >on the specific environmental conditions. But what is especially >interesting is the pattern of growth. Long filaments with occasional > " clumps " of growth in a pattern not consistent with Stachybotrys. >They could also be cracks that provided locations for growth. The >conditions and food source aren't optimal for a Stachybotrys jungle. > >3. The cardboard box has lots of growth and I would guarantee a lot >of Stachybotrys. Maybe not the most dominant mold, and certainly not >the only type. Stachybotrys thrives on easily digestible cellulose >such as cardboard rather than hard to eat wood. > >4. The location of each of these and disturbance causing you to be >exposed, is just as important. > >Finally, what difference does the kind of mole make? Focusing only on >Stachybotrys is like looking for a dangerous pit bull in the kitchen >when the pack of jackels is in the hallway. Some other types of mold >produce more mycotoxins of equal or greater concern. Any mold can >trigger allergies or asthma if the person is sensitized. Other >reactions are very commonly reported but not understood. The kind of >mold does not determine the need to remove it or the methods of >removal. It needs to be removed and the environment changed so mold >of anyking doesn't have a home to thrive in and produce lots and lots >of babies. > >Do we need to know all the specific details of what is in our clothes >before we launder them? " Oh, just a bunch of my skin cells which is >normal, nothing toxic. They can wait until next week. " Do we wait for >a lab analysis before we clean the kitchen floor? Do we need a carpet >dirt analysis to know when to vacuum? > Actually, if you really knew what accumulates in carpets, your > concerns would definitely expand to include that. did a > number of studies on this several years ago. > >For an example of a different situation, I just heard a report on >Public Radio about how salmon are dying from disease on the Klammath >River. The cause is an organism that has always been in the water but >affecting only a very few fish. Recently that has changed to where >large numbers of fish are getting sick and dying. The specific >reasons are many and controversial but one thing is clear - the >environmental conditions of the river have changed. NOW that organism >has a home where it can " party " and reproduce. Change the conditions >and different organisms will thrive. Not unlike why gang warfare >occurs in some neighborhoods but not others. It's (also) the >environment. > >I hope you and others see my response not as a dismissal of your >concerns - which are real - but taking advantage of a great >opportunity to further discuss some of the subtleties of mold. > >Carl Grimes >Healthy Habitats LLC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Christ wrote: > What is interesting is the capillary action of the mold, it appears to me like it was bridging over dry areas in search of moisture. < Somewhere in the old messages, I rationalized that mold is morally superior to humans. I observed how mold extended far down strands of fiberglass insulation for many feet away from the closest source of cellulose/moisture and asked myself " If you stood in a food line and asked people to take what they need and " pass on the rest " , how far would the cooperation of humans would extend? " Clearly, mold is a much more " sharing and caring " creature than humans. Obviously, by our own moral standards - a superior organism. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 > > Christ wrote: >> What is interesting is the capillary action of the mold, it appears >to me like it was bridging over dry areas in search of moisture. < > > Somewhere in the old messages, I rationalized that mold is morally >superior to humans. > I observed how mold extended far down strands of fiberglass >insulation for many feet away from the closest source of >cellulose/moisture and asked myself " If you stood in a food line and >asked people to take what they need and " pass on the rest " , how far >would the cooperation of humans would extend? " > > Clearly, mold is a much more " sharing and caring " creature than >humans. >Obviously, by our own moral standards - a superior organism. Dr Spock lived by that standard too, " The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few " Live Long and Prosper... LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Poria is a wood rot fungi that " stays home " to eat the wood but grows filaments for the transportation of water up to 20 feet or more. Some slime molds act like individual fungal cells in " healthy " (for them) environments. But if conditions become hostile (but healthy for us) they organize and begin migrating as a unified, multi-cellular organism. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > Christ wrote: > > What is interesting is the capillary action of the mold, it appears > > > to me like it was bridging over dry areas in search of moisture. < > > > Somewhere in the old messages, I rationalized that mold is morally > superior to humans. > I observed how mold extended far down strands of fiberglass > insulation for many feet away from the closest source of > cellulose/moisture and asked myself " If you stood in a food line and > asked people to take what they need and " pass on the rest " , how far > would the cooperation of humans would extend? " > > Clearly, mold is a much more " sharing and caring " creature than > humans. Obviously, by our own moral standards - a superior organism. > - > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 , A couple of quick comments. > When > I put down that plywood layer on the floor I think it was like a giant > petri dish, all it needed was water. That's what the whole world is: A giant petri dish - just add water. Which is the purpose of mold and other fungi - eat everything it's enzymes can " digest. " Our immune system is what fights off mold - preventing infection, which is mold growing inside us using us for food. Protecting us - or not - from allergies, asthma and other effects is an entirely different story. > So I made > conditions optimal for the mold to grow out of control. Everything but the water. Which is true for almost everywhere. > What other types of mold are black like that? What type of mold > would exhibit that type of growth behavior? You would have to ask a mycologist that question, but it probably wouldn't be one of the common airborne molds. It was growing between layers and not well exposed to the air. > I was living next door and on my carport for about three years and > did not run the ac in my house or go in it often, so a lot of items > tended to get mold on them. Leather, cardboard, the gum on brown > envelopes etc. Excellent example of how shifting the environmental conditions allows the mold to grow when it didn't before. It was there, but not grow. The environments where people thrive and those where mold thrives is different - but with a lot of overlap. Camels can't live in the water and whales can't live on land. But frogs can live in both. > The picture does not do the monitor justice, that was black mold > growing on the monitor, not dust. There is no question about this. This is an example where I would advocate lab testing for mold. Is it or isn't it? I'd take a tape lift for dust characterization to find out what the particles are. As a cross-check I'd take a swab sample of just the black " dust " and another with no black " dust " and have them analyzed by both culturing and microscopy. But you weren't exposed until they were disturbed. Mere presence somewhere in the house is not the same as being exposed. > I took the cover off of it because when I was in > the boat water leaked down off of a window into it and caused some > problems so I took the cover off to dry it out. That is when I > discovered the mold. Ah, that's different. We now have a source of moisture. But I'd still want lab confirmation that the black dust was mold. Also, in the environment you described, I'd expect to find numerous other molds growing that aren't visible. > Very stupid I know and I am ashamed to admit it but > if I share some of my mistakes with the group maybe I can help someone > else. Your picture just helped over a hundred employees that worked for one of my clients. (see yesterday's post) Thank God for your " stupidity! " Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I remember now throwing out 2 cardboard boxes under my house last year that looked as if something had eaten at them. Now I know it was the mold. I also looked at storm doors again today and around the wood frame there are grooves I can't get too and I see black mold growing in there and looks as something eating the bottom of the metal door and also the vinyl lino is coming apart from the floor at the bottom door frame. I didn't look at the front door frame yet. The back was bad enough where a while back I cleaned the stom door and it had mold growing on the metal all over and at a distance, guess it looked like dirt and I never focused on it before all this. Fury stuff. I have a bad feeling this house is very Toxic but at least my crawl space is cleaned up. I need to peak in on it to make sure all is well. I wonder about my floors and walls. With my lino getting brown spots on it within just a year and looks like ciggerette burns. Mold guy said he'd never seen anything like it. If the floors and walls have mold, I'm doomed. This is the craziest thing to live thru. Has anyone ever been allergic to Borax? I've been double rinsing most washes. Guess my next water bill will be very high b/c I pay more for water where I am like $50 a month so next bill will be expensive and not sure how I'll pay it neither. I use unscented ALL detergent. Looking now for natural sites to order things from but I don't have TIME. Life a Beach!! wish so. > > > What is interesting is the capillary action of the mold, it appears > > > > > to me like it was bridging over dry areas in search of moisture. < > > > > > > Somewhere in the old messages, I rationalized that mold is morally > > superior to humans. > > I observed how mold extended far down strands of fiberglass > > insulation for many feet away from the closest source of > > cellulose/moisture and asked myself " If you stood in a food line and > > asked people to take what they need and " pass on the rest " , how far > > would the cooperation of humans would extend? " > > > > Clearly, mold is a much more " sharing and caring " creature than > > humans. Obviously, by our own moral standards - a superior organism. > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I can relate to your fear of mold being everywhere after your remediation. Did you ever have any air testing done? I can't recall seeing you mentioning air tests? I was thinking of a pre and post remediation test? That is what I had in my condo, although I kept the spore levels down by dehumidifiers, etc. But, I always worried about the other walls and roof, and ceiling in that place. Did they say why your floor is spotted? Judi --- Rhonda <rhondaleokitty@...> wrote: > I remember now throwing out 2 cardboard boxes under > my house last > year that looked as if something had eaten at them. > Now I know it > was the mold. I also looked at storm doors again > today and around > the wood frame there are grooves I can't get too and > I see black > mold growing in there and looks as something eating > the bottom of > the metal door and also the vinyl lino is coming > apart from the > floor at the bottom door frame. I didn't look at > the front door > frame yet. The back was bad enough where a while > back I cleaned the > stom door and it had mold growing on the metal all > over and at a > distance, guess it looked like dirt and I never > focused on it before > all this. Fury stuff. I have a bad feeling this > house is very > Toxic but at least my crawl space is cleaned up. I > need to peak in > on it to make sure all is well. I wonder about my > floors and > walls. With my lino getting brown spots on it > within just a year > and looks like ciggerette burns. Mold guy said he'd > never seen > anything like it. If the floors and walls have > mold, I'm doomed. > This is the craziest thing to live thru. > > Has anyone ever been allergic to Borax? I've been > double rinsing > most washes. Guess my next water bill will be very > high b/c I pay > more for water where I am like $50 a month so next > bill will be > expensive and not sure how I'll pay it neither. I > use unscented ALL > detergent. Looking now for natural sites to order > things from but I > don't have TIME. Life a Beach!! wish so. > > > > > > > > What is interesting is the capillary action > of the mold, it > appears > > > > > > > to me like it was bridging over dry areas in > search of moisture. > < > > > > > > > > > Somewhere in the old messages, I rationalized > that mold is > morally > > > superior to humans. > > > I observed how mold extended far down strands > of fiberglass > > > insulation for many feet away from the closest > source of > > > cellulose/moisture and asked myself " If you > stood in a food line > and > > > asked people to take what they need and " pass on > the rest " , how > far > > > would the cooperation of humans would extend? " > > > > > > Clearly, mold is a much more " sharing and > caring " creature than > > > humans. Obviously, by our own moral standards - > a superior > organism. > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I never tested b/c was quoted $1200 for an industrial hygenist to test. No one has told me about the floor. One person said bad subflooring maybe sap but not sure. Moisture maybe causing it? It's strange tho and happened within a year or so with 1,2,3 and kept on spotting. It's coming up from underneath and spots are brown and stains the lino. Never had someone come out and check it out that maybe knows for sure. That house is just cursed! Rhonda > > > > > What is interesting is the capillary action > > of the mold, it > > appears > > > > > > > > > to me like it was bridging over dry areas in > > search of moisture. > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere in the old messages, I rationalized > > that mold is > > morally > > > > superior to humans. > > > > I observed how mold extended far down strands > > of fiberglass > > > > insulation for many feet away from the closest > > source of > > > > cellulose/moisture and asked myself " If you > > stood in a food line > > and > > > > asked people to take what they need and " pass on > > the rest " , how > > far > > > > would the cooperation of humans would extend? " > > > > > > > > Clearly, mold is a much more " sharing and > > caring " creature than > > > > humans. Obviously, by our own moral standards - > > a superior > > organism. > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Dr D and I had a new trailer 'go bad' on us a few years ago. As winter progressed and condensation got worse, the bathroom became progressively more intolerable. It's fascinating how people we described this to would say " Maybe you brought in some chemicals " and invent all kinds of fanciful explanations as some grasping and desperate alternative to avoid admitting that it might just be the mold as we claimed it was. It had been good. Mold grew. It got bad. The more the mold, the worse it got. Is this so tough? I ripped out virtually everything in that bathroom. All facilities. All the walls. All the insulation. Everything. But I couldn't get rid of the badness. It was an empty shell except for the roof, which didn't appear to be as bad as we would imagine it must - to cause such pain. When I chiseled into the layers of wood, there it was! The plywood roof cap was growing mold inside the layers and the condensation there was unstoppable. So now I have an RV with a roof cap made of a signboard material called " Econolite " . It's a sandwich of two sheets of aluminum over a corrugated plastic matrix that makes a terrific replacement for plywood. The guarantee to be mold proof is written right on the Econolite. No worries! That's the material I recommend for trailer as a replacement roof to avoid future unhappiness. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Wow, that is excessive for an air test. In the northeast, they were around 400.00 for a visit. I would be suspicious of that floor. Is that the floor on top of the crawl space area? Would it have a lot of moisture? Mold can be brown too. Uggh.....it is just so sickening. Hang in there, Judi --- Rhonda <rhondaleokitty@...> wrote: > I never tested b/c was quoted $1200 for an > industrial hygenist to > test. No one has told me about the floor. One > person said bad > subflooring maybe sap but not sure. Moisture maybe > causing it? It's > strange tho and happened within a year or so with > 1,2,3 and kept on > spotting. It's coming up from underneath and spots > are brown and > stains the lino. Never had someone come out and > check it out that > maybe knows for sure. That house is just cursed! > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > > What is interesting is the capillary > action > > > of the mold, it > > > appears > > > > > > > > > > > to me like it was bridging over dry areas in > > > search of moisture. > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhere in the old messages, I > rationalized > > > that mold is > > > morally > > > > > superior to humans. > > > > > I observed how mold extended far down > strands > > > of fiberglass > > > > > insulation for many feet away from the > closest > > > source of > > > > > cellulose/moisture and asked myself " If you > > > stood in a food line > > > and > > > > > asked people to take what they need and > " pass on > > > the rest " , how > > > far > > > > > would the cooperation of humans would > extend? " > > > > > > > > > > Clearly, mold is a much more " sharing and > > > caring " creature than > > > > > humans. Obviously, by our own moral > standards - > > > a superior > > > organism. > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I am looking for a replacement for plywood to floor some attic space- it is vented ,so I cannot keep it de-humidifyed- would you be able to walk on this sign stuff, or is it too light? > So now I have an RV with a roof cap made of a signboard material > called " Econolite " . It's a sandwich of two sheets of aluminum over > a corrugated plastic matrix that makes a terrific replacement for > plywood. The guarantee to be mold proof is written right on the > Econolite. > No worries! > That's the material I recommend for trailer as a > replacement roof to avoid future unhappiness. > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 , The Stachybotrys that I saw was a lot thicker and greenish black slimy mold. None of your pictures appear to be Stachybotrys except maybe the beginning mold on the cardboard box. I am not an expert but do know what it looks like up close and personal. I am sure that Carl could tell you better or without testing you can't be sure. Good Luck, Marcie Christ <antares41-41@...> wrote: I have been meaning to put these up on my web page for a while for the rest of the group to see. If this does not scare a non believer nothing will! http://home.tampabay.rr.com/rchrist9/ Can anyone confirm this is Strachybotrys? FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 " carondeen " wrote: would you be able to > walk on this sign stuff, or is it too light? > Econolite is good for light duty walking on 18 " joists. It would work well in an attic. High use flooring needs something more substantial. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Marcie, If you click on this link and scroll down to the second picture you will notice on these floor joist's underneath my house. In addition to the white mold there is a blue/black/green mixture of color to the mold. I wonder if when stachy dries out if the color does not change to a black. The camera does not really depict the green tinge as much as I remember it being. Fourtunally I am out so it's just a matter of trying strict avoidance and not contaminating my new home. On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:22:17 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >, > The Stachybotrys that I saw was a lot thicker and greenish black slimy mold. None of your pictures appear to be Stachybotrys except maybe the beginning mold on the cardboard box. > I am not an expert but do know what it looks like up close and personal. I am sure that Carl could tell you better or without testing you can't be sure. > Good Luck, > Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Sorry, Forgot the link: http://home.tampabay.rr.com/rchrist9/Moldy%20floor.shtml Just scroll down to the second picture. Marcie, If you click on this link and scroll down to the second picture you will notice on these floor joist's underneath my house. In addition to the white mold there is a blue/black/green mixture of color to the mold. I wonder if when stachy dries out if the color does not change to a black. The camera does not really depict the green tinge as much as I remember it being. Fourtunally I am out so it's just a matter of trying strict avoidance and not contaminating my new home. On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:22:17 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >, > The Stachybotrys that I saw was a lot thicker and greenish black slimy mold. None of your pictures appear to be Stachybotrys except maybe the beginning mold on the cardboard box. > I am not an expert but do know what it looks like up close and personal. I am sure that Carl could tell you better or without testing you can't be sure. > Good Luck, > Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 > It's fascinating how people we described this to would say " Maybe >you brought in some chemicals " and invent all kinds of fanciful >explanations as some grasping and desperate alternative to avoid >admitting that it might just be the mold as we claimed it was. > I know for a long time before It resonated for me I always thought the same thing. It has to be some chemical making me go up and down like a rollercoaster. Mold seemed more logical once I started reading about it. After I found all of the mold in my house there was no denying it anymore. Now the only denial I have to watch out for is when I have a problem at home not to blame it on someone or somthing else. It's much easier to do this becuase that way I can avoid the pain of what I am going to do about it. > >When I chiseled into the layers of wood, there it was! >The plywood roof cap was growing mold inside the layers and the >condensation there was unstoppable. > So now I have an RV with a roof cap made of a signboard material >called " Econolite " . It's a sandwich of two sheets of aluminum over >a corrugated plastic matrix that makes a terrific replacement for >plywood. The guarantee to be mold proof is written right on the >Econolite. >No worries! > That's the material I recommend for trailer as a >replacement roof to avoid future unhappiness. >- I was going to ask you about this, thanks for the post Eirk. I have to admit I am a little afraid to open up a can or worms like this. I have a lot of things on the roof to work around. Did you still put a rubber membrane over all of this? Or is it possible to seal it with cualking? I googled a few links that sell the product you are taking about for anyone that might be interested. They are below. http://www.harborsales.net/fullsheetlookup.cfm?categoryID=3 & subcategoryID=3 & cat=\ Metal%20Faced%20Panels http://www.signboards.com/Panel/index.asp http://www.signsupplystore.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd_sub.asp?idcategory=9 & idpro\ duct=10898 http://www.meyerplastics.com/signandgraphics/corrugated_plastic_center_materi.ht\ m https://www.harborsales.net/fullsheetlookup.cfm?categoryID=3 & subcategoryID=3 & cat\ =Metal%20Faced%20Panels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 , I would think as long as you have no leaks in the attic the plywood would be fine. My problem came from using the plywood as a substrate sandwiched between the subflooring and the tile, it was not able to get air to dry out and that is why it grew mold. >I am looking for a replacement for plywood to floor some attic space- >it is vented ,so I cannot keep it de-humidifyed- would you be able to >walk on this sign stuff, or is it too light? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Thanks , I know, but like alot of people here- I am a nut case- and as I live in a highly humid area- I just wanted something I did not have to worry about- In mt last house the attic was OK untill I let some big vines grow over it- then all my boxes molded. Guess I won't go for a look this time > > , > I would think as long as you have no leaks in the attic the plywood > would be fine. My problem came from using the plywood as a substrate > sandwiched between the subflooring and the tile, it was not able to > get air to dry out and that is why it grew mold. > > > >I am looking for a replacement for plywood to floor some attic space- > >it is vented ,so I cannot keep it de-humidifyed- would you be able to > >walk on this sign stuff, or is it too light? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 , The Stachybotrys that I saw was black as it dried or appeared to be. Like I said, I am not sure from your pictures but if I could smell it....Boy would I tell you right away! Good Luck, Marcie Christ <antares41-41@...> wrote: Marcie, If you click on this link and scroll down to the second picture you will notice on these floor joist's underneath my house. In addition to the white mold there is a blue/black/green mixture of color to the mold. I wonder if when stachy dries out if the color does not change to a black. The camera does not really depict the green tinge as much as I remember it being. Fourtunally I am out so it's just a matter of trying strict avoidance and not contaminating my new home. On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:22:17 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >, > The Stachybotrys that I saw was a lot thicker and greenish black slimy mold. None of your pictures appear to be Stachybotrys except maybe the beginning mold on the cardboard box. > I am not an expert but do know what it looks like up close and personal. I am sure that Carl could tell you better or without testing you can't be sure. > Good Luck, > Marcie FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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