Re: Re: Chlorinated Tap Water and Tea

[Guest guest]

Don't know if anyone has suggested this, I don't get time to read all these

emails, but how about leaving water out in an open container overnight to let

the gaseous chlorine escape before placing it in a brew?

Cheers Danny

Re: Chlorinated Tap Water and Tea

thanks for sharing

> Cancer fighting nutrients become deadly when combined with

chlorinated tap

> water

>

> http://www.fulvic.com/healthalert/chlorine.htm

>

> Some of nature's most valuable and essential anti-cancer and anti-

disease

> phytochemical

> nutrients which are commonly found in food have been discovered to

form

> deadly cancer causing

> substances when consumed or combined with chlorinated tap water.

This

> discovery includes

> familiar foods including soy, fruits, vegetables, tea, many health

products,

> and even some

> vitamins. Research has proven that these essential nutrients are

the exact

> same families of

> compounds, that even in infinitesimal amounts have been tormenting

the water

> treatment and

> chlorine industries for years.

>

> Recently, a joint study was undertaken in Japan by research

scientists at

> the National

> Institute of Health Sciences and Shizuoka Prefectural University.

They

> determined that natural

> organic substances originating from foods, including fruits, soy,

and green

> or black tea,

> react when tap water is chlorinated, forming dangerous cancer

causing

> compounds. These deadly

> compounds have been named MX, which stands for " unknown mutagen " ,

and are

> similar to the

> already well-known and more easily detected cancer causing THMs

> (trihalomethanes).

>

> The Japanese scientists specifically mentioned that their studies

showed

> that MX is created by

> the reaction of chlorine with natural organic plant phytochemicals

such as

> catechins, which

> are contained in tea, and flavonoids which are found in fruit.

Since Japan

> has an extremely

> high consumption of tea, fruits, and soy products, it is easy to

see how

> high amounts of

> residues from these foods would end up in their wastewater

treatment and

> water recycling

> systems.

>

> Earlier studies by scientists in Finland in 1997 determined that

MX is 170

> times more deadly

> than other known toxic byproducts of chlorination, and was shown in

> laboratory studies to

> damage the thyroid gland as well as cause cancerous tumors.

>

> THMs are known to be created by the reaction of chlorine with

humic and

> fulvic acids, which

> are the final breakdown products of vegetation, including decayed

leaves and

> organic matter.

> Humic substances are the same as soil humus, of which the fulvic

fraction is

> water soluble and

> readily transported into streams and waterways, as well as utilized

> nutritionally by plants.

>

> Very recent scientific discoveries have identified and clarified

the

> composition of fulvic and

> humic acids as containing a significant amount of nutritional

phytochemical

> groups including

> hormones, sterols, fatty acids, polyphenols, and ketones, which

subgroups

> include but are not

> limited to: flavins, flavonoids, flavones, tannins, catechins,

quinones,

> isoflavones,

> tocopherols, etc.

>

> These compounds are some of the most valuable and promising anti-

cancer

> nutrients found in our

> foods and health supplements. Coenzyme Q10 is a quinone, vitamin B-

2 is a

> flavin, vitamin E is

> a tocopherol, citrus bioflavonoids including hesperidin,

quercetin, and

> rutin are all

> flavonoids, green tea contains catechins, phenols, tannins, and

isoflavones.

> Potentially all

> of these substances, and many more, are implicated by chlorination.

>

> Amazingly, is has been discovered that these phytochemicals remain

intact,

> concentrated, and

> intricately combined within humic substances; which are valuable

remnants of

> nature's

> protective substances contained within fruits, flowers, pollen,

nuts and

> seeds, as well as

> vegetative parts including roots, stems, bark, and leaves. Even

the plant

> nucleic acids, RNA

> and DNA remain intact.

>

> To comply with EPA rulings, water treatment plants have had to

develop

> special techniques to

> scrub the seemingly dubious organic residues from water prior to

treatment

> with chlorine.

> There is nothing wrong with the organic substances themselves, it

is

> chlorine that is at fault

> for turning them into the deadly THM and MX cancer cocktail.

Reality is that

> the organic

> substances have been shown to be highly beneficial combined with

pure

> drinking water in trace

> amounts.

>

> The bottom line is this: when water treatment facilities remove

these

> substances, they are

> throwing the precious baby out with the bath water, and the

remnants that

> remain are turned

> into cancer causing agents by chlorination. To make things worse,

it is

> certain that the fresh

> plant foods we eat similarly react with the chlorinated tap water

we drink

> with our meals,

> creating toxins. This means that fresh fruits and vegetables,

green salads,

> green tea, black

> tea, herb teas, soy products, vitamin pills and various health

supplements,

> and even some

> pharmaceutical drugs, all can be implicated in combination with

chlorinated

> water.

>

> The deadly cancer causing agents which are produced are extremely

toxic in

> infinitesimal

> amounts, so small and obscure that they are extremely difficult to

detect.

> Very little

> chlorine is required. When the concentrations of phytochemicals

are high,

> such as in

> concentrated health supplements, or even fruits and vegetables

coming from

> more fertile soils,

> the deadly combination with chlorination intensifies.

>

> It has been known by the water treatment and chemical industries

for many

> years that chlorine

> reacts negatively with natural organic compounds. These industries

call

> these compounds DBPs

> (disinfection by-products) which are known to cause cancer in

populations

> whose drinking water

> contains them. THM, the most commonly known DBP, is known to cause

a high

> incidence of bladder

> cancer and also to cause spontaneous abortion of fetuses.

>

> The Environmental Protection Agency has continually tightened their

> restrictions on THMs in

> drinking water, and even tighter restrictions are just around the

bend. Yet

> it is interesting

> to note that the many government agencies and chlorine industries

have

> conveniently neglected

> to take a serious look at food, health supplement, and

pharmaceutical drug

> consumption,

> preparation, and production relating to use of chlorinated tap

water.

>

> There is good reason for the public to seriously examine and

question this

> entire issue. Many

> years ago laws were passed making chlorination of water mandatory.

Now, the

> chlorine industry

> and government agencies must continue their existing policies,

because if

> sudden or drastic

> changes are made, the legal liabilities would be staggering.

Certainly some

> government or

> industry personnel have known or theorized about these problems

and have

> been covering them up

> for many years. However, if anyone were to admit to it, the

consequences

> could be disastrous.

> This predicament could make the tobacco industry scandal seem

insignificant

> in comparison.

>

> Another area needing thorough scrutiny relates to pharmaceutical

drug safety

> studies normally

> performed on animals in the laboratory. It would be reasonable to

surmise

> that good laboratory

> practices and procedures would require that such studies be

performed using

> highly purified

> drinking water for animals. It would be reasonable to believe that

drug

> companies would not

> take the chance of jeopardizing clinical studies using chlorinated

tap

> water. Of course

> chlorinated tap water is a common denominator within the human

environment.

> Educating people

> to the dangers of chlorine would be admitting to knowledge of the

problem,

> which could

> invalidate past studies and certainly raise serious legal problems.

>

> This whole chlorine issue should come as no real surprise to any

biochemist.

> During the last

> century, chlorine has been combined with many other normally safe

organic

> substances to form

> some of the most powerful deadly toxins known, such as dioxin,

DDT, PCBs,

> etc. The bottom line

> is that the real culprit is chlorine, not the substances with

which it

> reacts.

>

> Although chlorine has essentially eliminated the risks of

waterborne

> diseases such as typhoid

> fever, cholera and dysentery, there are many pathogens that are not

> controlled by chlorine.

> Other and better methods of water treatment exist. Many

alternatives are

> already used

> throughout the world. Ever tightening EPA regulations have forced

the water

> supply industry in

> the USA to look into alternative methods for disinfecting water.

>

> For years, environmentalists have battled the water treatment

industry and

> large chemical

> companies in an effort to ban the use of chlorine in drinking

water. This

> ongoing battle has

> been a big source of revenue for both sides. As word of the

problem spreads

> to the general

> public, something might actually be done about it.

>

> As this message spreads, it will no doubt shake the very

foundations of the

> chlorine and water

> treatment industries, let alone the government agencies that are

implicated

> along with them.

> There certainly should be cause for serious alarm within the

nutritional

> supplement and food

> industries, as well as those segments of the medical industry that

might

> awaken to the

> dilemma.

>

> This message is of utmost importance to the general public,

because chlorine

> will one day, in

> the near future, be exposed as a major cause and contributor to

cancer and

> degenerative

> disease. Chlorine will also be found to be responsible for

damaging the

> body's immune and

> hormonal systems by mutating the food-based plant estrogens and

> phytochemicals that support

> those systems. A healthy immune system should be your first and

best line of

> defense against

> waterborne disease.

>

>

> Recer, P; Water chlorine byproduct may be cancer risk; June 18,

1997;

> Associated Press

>

> Christman, RF; Kronberg, K; Singh, R; Ball, LM; , DJ;

Report 259:

> Identification of

> Mutagenic By-products from Aquatic Humic Chlorination; North

Carolina State

> University

>

> Rhomberg, L Ph.D.; Risk In Perspective: Are Chemicals In the

Environment

> Disrupting Hormonal

> Control Of Growth and Development? April 1, 1996; Harvard Center

for Risk

> Analysis

>

> Japanese data related to MX and the Shizuoka Prefectural

University has been

> extracted from

> various abstracts published by the American Water Works

Association (AWWA),

> and the National

> Institute of Health (NIH).

>

> Plant phytochemicals and nutrient groups can be determined from

information

> within the Organic

> Chemical Tables; Chemical Abstracts Service (CAS), a division of

the

> American Chemical

> Society.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In message <006801c4e0a1$9e1fd7e0$16a31bd3@Danny> you wrote:

> Don't know if anyone has suggested this, I don't get time to read all these

emails, but how about leaving water out in an open container overnight to let

the gaseous chlorine escape before placing it in a brew?

>

Hi Danny,

Personally I would hesitate doing that, unless you can guarantee a spore

and germ-free environment.

I boil my water in a large pan and let it stand to cool with a lid on.

That boils off the chlorine very well and also kills any critters.

Also, using a water filter, will get rid of chemical additives to

the drinking water. I use that to cool the sweet hot tea to speed up

the time I can add scoby and starter liquid.

That's just a few thoughts of mine.

Hope they are helpful.

All the best,

Margret:-)

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Clones are people two.

[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret,

I agree with you, there is a risk of contamination here, however, if you can

boil it as well after leaving it out overnight, then that will doubly make sure

all chlorine is removed...

Have a water filter myself so don't need to worry to much about that, but had

suggested the above for those not lucky to have one...

Cheers Danny

Re: Re: Chlorinated Tap Water and Tea

In message <006801c4e0a1$9e1fd7e0$16a31bd3@Danny> you wrote:

> Don't know if anyone has suggested this, I don't get time to read all these

emails, but how about leaving water out in an open container overnight to let

the gaseous chlorine escape before placing it in a brew?

>

Hi Danny,

Personally I would hesitate doing that, unless you can guarantee a spore

and germ-free environment.

I boil my water in a large pan and let it stand to cool with a lid on.

That boils off the chlorine very well and also kills any critters.

Also, using a water filter, will get rid of chemical additives to

the drinking water. I use that to cool the sweet hot tea to speed up

the time I can add scoby and starter liquid.

That's just a few thoughts of mine.

Hope they are helpful.

All the best,

Margret:-)

--

+---------------------------------------------------------------+

Minstrel@...

www.therpc.f9.co.uk

+---------------------------------------------------------------+

Clones are people two.

[Guest guest]

Hi Danny:

The thought is excellent, but does it work? I also read somewhere that

chlorine evaporates if the water is let to boil some minutes(?) Truth is

for me chlorinated water is quite a problem, I'm a vegetarian and consume a

lot of fruit, vegetables etc., which need to be washed or cooked. And how

about good old vegetable soups(?) Any idea will be much appreciated.

Regards - Laimonis

Original Message -----

From: " Natures Tastes Foods " <dbigshep@...>

<kombucha tea >

Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Chlorinated Tap Water and Tea

>

> Don't know if anyone has suggested this, I don't get time to read all

these emails, but how about leaving water out in an open container overnight

to let the gaseous chlorine escape before placing it in a brew?

>

> Cheers Danny

> Re: Chlorinated Tap Water and Tea

>

>

>

> thanks for sharing

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Cancer fighting nutrients become deadly when combined with

> chlorinated tap

> > water

> >

> > http://www.fulvic.com/healthalert/chlorine.htm

> >

> > Some of nature's most valuable and essential anti-cancer and anti-

> disease

> > phytochemical

> > nutrients which are commonly found in food have been discovered to

> form

> > deadly cancer causing

> > substances when consumed or combined with chlorinated tap water.

> This

> > discovery includes

> > familiar foods including soy, fruits, vegetables, tea, many health

> products,

> > and even some

> > vitamins. Research has proven that these essential nutrients are

> the exact

> > same families of

> > compounds, that even in infinitesimal amounts have been tormenting

> the water

> > treatment and

> > chlorine industries for years.

> >

> > Recently, a joint study was undertaken in Japan by research

> scientists at

> > the National

> > Institute of Health Sciences and Shizuoka Prefectural University.

> They

> > determined that natural

> > organic substances originating from foods, including fruits, soy,

> and green

> > or black tea,

> > react when tap water is chlorinated, forming dangerous cancer

> causing

> > compounds. These deadly

> > compounds have been named MX, which stands for " unknown mutagen " ,

> and are

> > similar to the

> > already well-known and more easily detected cancer causing THMs

> > (trihalomethanes).

> >

> > The Japanese scientists specifically mentioned that their studies

> showed

> > that MX is created by

> > the reaction of chlorine with natural organic plant phytochemicals

> such as

> > catechins, which

> > are contained in tea, and flavonoids which are found in fruit.

> Since Japan

> > has an extremely

> > high consumption of tea, fruits, and soy products, it is easy to

> see how

> > high amounts of

> > residues from these foods would end up in their wastewater

> treatment and

> > water recycling

> > systems.

> >

> > Earlier studies by scientists in Finland in 1997 determined that

> MX is 170

> > times more deadly

> > than other known toxic byproducts of chlorination, and was shown in

> > laboratory studies to

> > damage the thyroid gland as well as cause cancerous tumors.

> >

> > THMs are known to be created by the reaction of chlorine with

> humic and

> > fulvic acids, which

> > are the final breakdown products of vegetation, including decayed

> leaves and

> > organic matter.

> > Humic substances are the same as soil humus, of which the fulvic

> fraction is

> > water soluble and

> > readily transported into streams and waterways, as well as utilized

> > nutritionally by plants.

> >

> > Very recent scientific discoveries have identified and clarified

> the

> > composition of fulvic and

> > humic acids as containing a significant amount of nutritional

> phytochemical

> > groups including

> > hormones, sterols, fatty acids, polyphenols, and ketones, which

> subgroups

> > include but are not

> > limited to: flavins, flavonoids, flavones, tannins, catechins,

> quinones,

> > isoflavones,

> > tocopherols, etc.

> >

> > These compounds are some of the most valuable and promising anti-

> cancer

> > nutrients found in our

> > foods and health supplements. Coenzyme Q10 is a quinone, vitamin B-

> 2 is a

> > flavin, vitamin E is

> > a tocopherol, citrus bioflavonoids including hesperidin,

> quercetin, and

> > rutin are all

> > flavonoids, green tea contains catechins, phenols, tannins, and

> isoflavones.

> > Potentially all

> > of these substances, and many more, are implicated by chlorination.

> >

> > Amazingly, is has been discovered that these phytochemicals remain

> intact,

> > concentrated, and

> > intricately combined within humic substances; which are valuable

> remnants of

> > nature's

> > protective substances contained within fruits, flowers, pollen,

> nuts and

> > seeds, as well as

> > vegetative parts including roots, stems, bark, and leaves. Even

> the plant

> > nucleic acids, RNA

> > and DNA remain intact.

> >

> > To comply with EPA rulings, water treatment plants have had to

> develop

> > special techniques to

> > scrub the seemingly dubious organic residues from water prior to

> treatment

> > with chlorine.

> > There is nothing wrong with the organic substances themselves, it

> is

> > chlorine that is at fault

> > for turning them into the deadly THM and MX cancer cocktail.

> Reality is that

> > the organic

> > substances have been shown to be highly beneficial combined with

> pure

> > drinking water in trace

> > amounts.

> >

> > The bottom line is this: when water treatment facilities remove

> these

> > substances, they are

> > throwing the precious baby out with the bath water, and the

> remnants that

> > remain are turned

> > into cancer causing agents by chlorination. To make things worse,

> it is

> > certain that the fresh

> > plant foods we eat similarly react with the chlorinated tap water

> we drink

> > with our meals,

> > creating toxins. This means that fresh fruits and vegetables,

> green salads,

> > green tea, black

> > tea, herb teas, soy products, vitamin pills and various health

> supplements,

> > and even some

> > pharmaceutical drugs, all can be implicated in combination with

> chlorinated

> > water.

> >

> > The deadly cancer causing agents which are produced are extremely

> toxic in

> > infinitesimal

> > amounts, so small and obscure that they are extremely difficult to

> detect.

> > Very little

> > chlorine is required. When the concentrations of phytochemicals

> are high,

> > such as in

> > concentrated health supplements, or even fruits and vegetables

> coming from

> > more fertile soils,

> > the deadly combination with chlorination intensifies.

> >

> > It has been known by the water treatment and chemical industries

> for many

> > years that chlorine

> > reacts negatively with natural organic compounds. These industries

> call

> > these compounds DBPs

> > (disinfection by-products) which are known to cause cancer in

> populations

> > whose drinking water

> > contains them. THM, the most commonly known DBP, is known to cause

> a high

> > incidence of bladder

> > cancer and also to cause spontaneous abortion of fetuses.

> >

> > The Environmental Protection Agency has continually tightened their

> > restrictions on THMs in

> > drinking water, and even tighter restrictions are just around the

> bend. Yet

> > it is interesting

> > to note that the many government agencies and chlorine industries

> have

> > conveniently neglected

> > to take a serious look at food, health supplement, and

> pharmaceutical drug

> > consumption,

> > preparation, and production relating to use of chlorinated tap

> water.

> >

> > There is good reason for the public to seriously examine and

> question this

> > entire issue. Many

> > years ago laws were passed making chlorination of water mandatory.

> Now, the

> > chlorine industry

> > and government agencies must continue their existing policies,

> because if

> > sudden or drastic

> > changes are made, the legal liabilities would be staggering.

> Certainly some

> > government or

> > industry personnel have known or theorized about these problems

> and have

> > been covering them up

> > for many years. However, if anyone were to admit to it, the

> consequences

> > could be disastrous.

> > This predicament could make the tobacco industry scandal seem

> insignificant

> > in comparison.

> >

> > Another area needing thorough scrutiny relates to pharmaceutical

> drug safety

> > studies normally

> > performed on animals in the laboratory. It would be reasonable to

> surmise

> > that good laboratory

> > practices and procedures would require that such studies be

> performed using

> > highly purified

> > drinking water for animals. It would be reasonable to believe that

> drug

> > companies would not

> > take the chance of jeopardizing clinical studies using chlorinated

> tap

> > water. Of course

> > chlorinated tap water is a common denominator within the human

> environment.

> > Educating people

> > to the dangers of chlorine would be admitting to knowledge of the

> problem,

> > which could

> > invalidate past studies and certainly raise serious legal problems.

> >

> > This whole chlorine issue should come as no real surprise to any

> biochemist.

> > During the last

> > century, chlorine has been combined with many other normally safe

> organic

> > substances to form

> > some of the most powerful deadly toxins known, such as dioxin,

> DDT, PCBs,

> > etc. The bottom line

> > is that the real culprit is chlorine, not the substances with

> which it

> > reacts.

> >

> > Although chlorine has essentially eliminated the risks of

> waterborne

> > diseases such as typhoid

> > fever, cholera and dysentery, there are many pathogens that are not

> > controlled by chlorine.

> > Other and better methods of water treatment exist. Many

> alternatives are

> > already used

> > throughout the world. Ever tightening EPA regulations have forced

> the water

> > supply industry in

> > the USA to look into alternative methods for disinfecting water.

> >

> > For years, environmentalists have battled the water treatment

> industry and

> > large chemical

> > companies in an effort to ban the use of chlorine in drinking

> water. This

> > ongoing battle has

> > been a big source of revenue for both sides. As word of the

> problem spreads

> > to the general

> > public, something might actually be done about it.

> >

> > As this message spreads, it will no doubt shake the very

> foundations of the

> > chlorine and water

> > treatment industries, let alone the government agencies that are

> implicated

> > along with them.

> > There certainly should be cause for serious alarm within the

> nutritional

> > supplement and food

> > industries, as well as those segments of the medical industry that

> might

> > awaken to the

> > dilemma.

> >

> > This message is of utmost importance to the general public,

> because chlorine

> > will one day, in

> > the near future, be exposed as a major cause and contributor to

> cancer and

> > degenerative

> > disease. Chlorine will also be found to be responsible for

> damaging the

> > body's immune and

> > hormonal systems by mutating the food-based plant estrogens and

> > phytochemicals that support

> > those systems. A healthy immune system should be your first and

> best line of

> > defense against

> > waterborne disease.

> >

> >

> > Recer, P; Water chlorine byproduct may be cancer risk; June 18,

> 1997;

> > Associated Press

> >

> > Christman, RF; Kronberg, K; Singh, R; Ball, LM; , DJ;

> Report 259:

> > Identification of

> > Mutagenic By-products from Aquatic Humic Chlorination; North

> Carolina State

> > University

> >

> > Rhomberg, L Ph.D.; Risk In Perspective: Are Chemicals In the

> Environment

> > Disrupting Hormonal

> > Control Of Growth and Development? April 1, 1996; Harvard Center

> for Risk

> > Analysis

> >

> > Japanese data related to MX and the Shizuoka Prefectural

> University has been

> > extracted from

> > various abstracts published by the American Water Works

> Association (AWWA),

> > and the National

> > Institute of Health (NIH).

> >

> > Plant phytochemicals and nutrient groups can be determined from

> information

> > within the Organic

> > Chemical Tables; Chemical Abstracts Service (CAS), a division of

> the

> > American Chemical

> > Society.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >