Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Dear , It's "normal" if Beta and HiBeta increased the activation, or more amplitude with eyes open and task, I'm not sure if 50% could be too high, lets wait until Pete respond, but I'm totally sure that you need to consider train down Beta when you find significant difference between frontal Beta and Back (Parietal/Occipital) Beta (higher at the back) with Eyes Closed, and if that the case I strongly recommend you to try train down (inhibit) Beta at P4 first instead of trying to do at P3 and P4. When you train P4 Beta down, P3 will makes Beta goes down after few P4 training sessions, so make no sense to do it at P3, besides that, you need to consider that P3 is very close to Wernicke area, where all processing (lecture, comprenhesion, math, etc) is taking place, and the brain's normaly needs that Beta to better function, not that many, but some, so IMHE I prefer to train first at P4. Hope this can help, Regards, JRmtlindsey@... wrote: Pete and others, I am noticing on an assessment that beta increases about 50% and hi beta doubles at P3 EO under task. Does this seem high and would you recommend training it down? This is a child who also has higher beta at P4 under task than at F4 and has manic-like behaviors; talking very fast and excited most of the time, jumps from one activity to the next rapidly, etc. He has responded very well to C3 and C4 training --emotionally calmer, anger issues gone, can sit still in the chair and train and has been doing well sitting at his desk at school. I am considering training Hi beta and beta down at P3 and beta down at P4 with EO under a task --any contraindications? --Thanks This email and any attachments may contain confidential information and it is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you should destroy this message and notify the sender by reply email. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction or transmission of this email is strictly prohibited. DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Thanks . Very helpful. --Warmly, This email and any attachments may contain confidential information and it is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you should destroy this message and notify the sender by reply email. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction or transmission of this email is strictly prohibited. -------------- Original message -------------- From: " R. " <jrdiaz@...> Dear , It's "normal" if Beta and HiBeta increased the activation, or more amplitude with eyes open and task, I'm not sure if 50% could be too high, lets wait until Pete respond, but I'm totally sure that you need to consider train down Beta when you find significant difference between frontal Beta and Back (Parietal/Occipital) Beta (higher at the back) with Eyes Closed, and if that the case I strongly recommend you to try train down (inhibit) Beta at P4 first instead of trying to do at P3 and P4. When you train P4 Beta down, P3 will makes Beta goes down after few P4 training sessions, so make no sense to do it at P3, besides that, you need to consider that P3 is very close to Wernicke area, where all processing (lecture, comprenhesion, math, etc) is taking place, and the brain's normaly needs that Beta to better function, not that many, but some, so IMHE I prefer to train first at P4. Hope this can help, Regards, JRmtlindsey@... wrote: Pete and others, I am noticing on an assessment that beta increases about 50% and hi beta doubles at P3 EO under task. Does this seem high and would you recommend training it down? This is a child who also has higher beta at P4 under task than at F4 and has manic-like behaviors; talking very fast and excited most of the time, jumps from one activity to the next rapidly, etc. He has responded very well to C3 and C4 training --emotionally calmer, anger issues gone, can sit still in the chair and train and has been doing well sitting at his desk at school. I am considering training Hi beta and beta down at P3 and beta down at P4 with EO under a task --any contraindications? --Thanks This email and any attachments may contain confidential information and it is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you should destroy this message and notify the sender by reply email. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction or transmission of this email is strictly prohibited. DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 ~ Training beta down at the parietals is fine as long as the Alpha /Theta ratio is not too low. (For adults in the parietals you'd want 1.5 EC) If you take away the beta when there is no alpha you can cause anxiety. ~ Re: hi beta at parietals Dear , It's "normal" if Beta and HiBeta increased the activation, or more amplitude with eyes open and task, I'm not sure if 50% could be too high, lets wait until Pete respond, but I'm totally sure that you need to consider train down Beta when you find significant difference between frontal Beta and Back (Parietal/Occipital) Beta (higher at the back) with Eyes Closed, and if that the case I strongly recommend you to try train down (inhibit) Beta at P4 first instead of trying to do at P3 and P4. When you train P4 Beta down, P3 will makes Beta goes down after few P4 training sessions, so make no sense to do it at P3, besides that, you need to consider that P3 is very close to Wernicke area, where all processing (lecture, comprenhesion, math, etc) is taking place, and the brain's normaly needs that Beta to better function, not that many, but some, so IMHE I prefer to train first at P4. Hope this can help, Regards, JRmtlindsey@... wrote: Pete and others, I am noticing on an assessment that beta increases about 50% and hi beta doubles at P3 EO under task. Does this seem high and would you recommend training it down? This is a child who also has higher beta at P4 under task than at F4 and has manic-like behaviors; talking very fast and excited most of the time, jumps from one activity to the next rapidly, etc. He has responded very well to C3 and C4 training --emotionally calmer, anger issues gone, can sit still in the chair and train and has been doing well sitting at his desk at school. I am considering training Hi beta and beta down at P3 and beta down at P4 with EO under a task --any contraindications? --Thanks This email and any attachments may contain confidential information and it is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you should destroy this message and notify the sender by reply email. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction or transmission of this email is strictly prohibited. DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Thanks . Helpful also! (-: --Warmly, This email and any attachments may contain confidential information and it is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you should destroy this message and notify the sender by reply email. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction or transmission of this email is strictly prohibited. --------- Re: hi beta at parietals Dear , It's "normal" if Beta and HiBeta increased the activation, or more amplitude with eyes open and task, I'm not sure if 50% could be too high, lets wait until Pete respond, but I'm totally sure that you need to consider train down Beta when you find significant difference between frontal Beta and Back (Parietal/Occipital) Beta (higher at the back) with Eyes Closed, and if that the case I strongly recommend you to try train down (inhibit) Beta at P4 first instead of trying to do at P3 and P4. When you train P4 Beta down, P3 will makes Beta goes down after few P4 training sessions, so make no sense to do it at P3, besides that, you need to consider that P3 is very close to Wernicke area, where all processing (lecture, comprenhesion, math, etc) is taking place, and the brain's normaly needs that Beta to better function, not that many, but some, so IMHE I prefer to train first at P4. Hope this can help, Regards, JRmtlindsey@... wrote: Pete and others, I am noticing on an assessment that beta increases about 50% and hi beta doubles at P3 EO under task. Does this seem high and would you recommend training it down? This is a child who also has higher beta at P4 under task than at F4 and has manic-like behaviors; talking very fast and excited most of the time, jumps from one activity to the next rapidly, etc. He has responded very well to C3 and C4 training --emotionally calmer, anger issues gone, can sit still in the chair and train and has been doing well sitting at his desk at school. I am considering training Hi beta and beta down at P3 and beta down at P4 with EO under a task --any contraindications? --Thanks This email and any attachments may contain confidential information and it is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you should destroy this message and notify the sender by reply email. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction or transmission of this email is strictly prohibited. DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 , While the relationship between slow and fast activity should shift toward fast at task, I wouldn't agree that it is common to see beta (and certainly not high-beta) rise dramatically at task unless there is some kind of muscle artifact. You SHOULD see theta and alpha come down, and you might see beta stay level, rise slightly, or sometimes drop as well. Certainly a jump of 50-100% doesn't sound like what you'd expect. If you consistently see this pattern (not just on the assessment), then you might try training it down. I agree with that getting beta down at P4 is probably more important than at P3, and I agree with that you want to see what alpha looks like in either case before training beta. Training up alpha amplitude at P4 or coherence between P3 and P4 might give you the same effect, even done eyes closed. Pete > > From: mtlindsey@... > Date: 2006/01/04 Wed PM 12:49:18 EST > > Subject: hi beta at parietals > > Pete and others, > I am noticing on an assessment that beta increases about 50% and hi beta doubles at P3 EO under task. Does this seem high and would you recommend training it down? This is a child who also has higher beta at P4 under task than at F4 and has manic-like behaviors; talking very fast and excited most of the time, jumps from one activity to the next rapidly, etc. He has responded very well to C3 and C4 training --emotionally calmer, anger issues gone, can sit still in the chair and train and has been doing well sitting at his desk at school. I am considering training Hi beta and beta down at P3 and beta down at P4 with EO under a task --any contraindications? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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