Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Hi Malcolm This is a general observation that others might pick up on and comment on. I figure there must be a limit to how much one squashes ie, a lower threshold limit that one does not want to go beyond. At this point I have no specific criteria to settle that by but others might. Mark Abreaction I have just finished training a young lady 23yo T3T4 2C WSqsh 8-15hz window 20 mins for the second time. No problems the first time but this time a strong response. Tears and whole body disorientation and feelings of nausea. My impression is similar to an inner ear illness I once had had similar symptoms. She reported FP2 thru to FC4 Heaviness “something big and solid sitting in there and comes down to my right eye a bit. She has difficulty controlling her hands /moving and clumps along rather than walking. I followed up with 5 mins of the C4 A2 1C hotspot protocol which usually provides a claming effect but this reaction was very strong. She has taken about halsf an hour for about half the symptomology to subside. Any suggestions ? Malcolm McEnery, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 If I were going to do a Windowed Squash on the temporals, I usually just leave 8-12 Hz in the window. I would use that protocol if alpha were low (A/T ratio eyes-closed perhaps well below 1.0). Otherwise, probably a squish of 15-38 Hz instead. I can't say that would be related to the response this young lady experienced. Pete > > From: " Mark Baddeley " <baddeley@...> > Date: 2005/11/15 Tue PM 09:27:05 EST > < > > Subject: Re: Abreaction > > Hi Malcolm > This is a general observation that others might pick up on and comment on. I figure there must be a limit to how much one squashes ie, a lower threshold limit that one does not want to go beyond. At this point I have no specific criteria to settle that by but others might. > Mark > Abreaction > > > I have just finished training a young lady 23yo T3T4 2C WSqsh 8-15hz window 20 mins for the second time. No problems the first time but this time a strong response. Tears and whole body disorientation and feelings of nausea. My impression is similar to an inner ear illness I once had had similar symptoms. She reported FP2 thru to FC4 Heaviness " something big and solid sitting in there and comes down to my right eye a bit. She has difficulty controlling her hands /moving and clumps along rather than walking. I followed up with 5 mins of the C4 A2 1C hotspot protocol which usually provides a claming effect but this reaction was very strong. > > > > She has taken about halsf an hour for about half the symptomology to subside. > > > > Any suggestions ? > > > > Malcolm McEnery, > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Hi Pete, Could this be related to the the temporal lobes training? , which is very related to the lymbic system, that as all we know, is the "emotional brain". IMO It's like we are opening a pandora box , which possible contents a lot of painful or non wanted memories that were repressed by the unconscious mind+brain. IMHO I believe that slowing down the Beta & HiBeta activity at the temporals will cause a very similar effect that when we're going to psychotherapy and make some catharsis process, but in this case, unknowing the exact reason of the feelings, emotions and/or reaction. But at the end, surely will be very helpful. Looking thru this glasses could make more sense all the "symptoms" referred as consecuence of the training, don't you think so? Or maybe too much NFB to my brain is causing all this ideas? Regards, JR Van Deusen <pvdtlc@...> wrote: If I were going to do a Windowed Squash on the temporals, I usually just leave 8-12 Hz in the window. I would use that protocol if alpha were low (A/T ratio eyes-closed perhaps well below 1.0). Otherwise, probably a squish of 15-38 Hz instead.I can't say that would be related to the response this young lady experienced.Pete> > From: "Mark Baddeley" <baddeley@...>> Date: 2005/11/15 Tue PM 09:27:05 EST> < >> Subject: Re: Abreaction> > Hi Malcolm> This is a general observation that others might pick up on and comment on. I figure there must be a limit to how much one squashes ie, a lower threshold limit that one does not want to go beyond. At this point I have no specific criteria to settle that by but others might.> Mark> Abreaction> > > I have just finished training a young lady 23yo T3T4 2C WSqsh 8-15hz window 20 mins for the second time. No problems the first time but this time a strong response. Tears and whole body disorientation and feelings of nausea. My impression is similar to an inner ear illness I once had had similar symptoms. She reported FP2 thru to FC4 Heaviness "something big and solid sitting in there and comes down to my right eye a bit. She has difficulty controlling her hands /moving and clumps along rather than walking. I followed up with 5 mins of the C4 A2 1C hotspot protocol which usually provides a claming effect but this reaction was very strong.> > > > She has taken about halsf an hour for about half the symptomology to subside.> > > > Any suggestions ?> > > > Malcolm McEnery, > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Right on the ball – Bravo! I am not familiar with the jargon – what is IMHO the abbreviation of? Further the client who had the extreme abreaction. Client fully recovered within 24 hours. The head tilting, eye movement, and hand position was that which is standard for a newborn baby during the first 3 weeks after birth. The shuffling/clumping walk is representative of a toddler in the early stages of learning to walk. These are two entirely different stages of human development and are therefore not representative of an actual state regression, but of a regression to what the individual perceives as representative of the infantile state. Hospitalization and tests of urine, ECG, and MRI showed no abnormalities. This information (along with other gleaned information) and an independent report of earlier behavior similar to, but not as intense as described has given an extra diagnosis. Client has childhood process and current behaviors which indicate Reactive Attachment Disorder and the above symptomology fulfills important descriptors of Conversion Disorder. The Neurotherapy allowed for emotional triggers to arise and client retreated to a defense/survival mechanism. Hypothesis is, that when triggered, client returns to a state which in client’s mind represents a period where client is too young to be blamed and/or mistreated. A period where, the client believes, a person SHOULD be safe. Malcolm From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of R. Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2005 3:16 AM Subject: Re: Re: Abreaction Hi Pete, Could this be related to the the temporal lobes training? , which is very related to the lymbic system, that as all we know, is the " emotional brain " . IMO It's like we are opening a pandora box , which possible contents a lot of painful or non wanted memories that were repressed by the unconscious mind+brain. IMHO I believe that slowing down the Beta & HiBeta activity at the temporals will cause a very similar effect that when we're going to psychotherapy and make some catharsis process, but in this case, unknowing the exact reason of the feelings, emotions and/or reaction. But at the end, surely will be very helpful. Looking thru this glasses could make more sense all the " symptoms " referred as consecuence of the training, don't you think so? Or maybe too much NFB to my brain is causing all this ideas? Regards, JR Van Deusen <pvdtlc@...> wrote: If I were going to do a Windowed Squash on the temporals, I usually just leave 8-12 Hz in the window. I would use that protocol if alpha were low (A/T ratio eyes-closed perhaps well below 1.0). Otherwise, probably a squish of 15-38 Hz instead. I can't say that would be related to the response this young lady experienced. Pete > > From: " Mark Baddeley " <baddeley@...> > Date: 2005/11/15 Tue PM 09:27:05 EST > < > > Subject: Re: Abreaction > > Hi Malcolm > This is a general observation that others might pick up on and comment on. I figure there must be a limit to how much one squashes ie, a lower threshold limit that one does not want to go beyond. At this point I have no specific criteria to settle that by but others might. > Mark > Abreaction > > > I have just finished training a young lady 23yo T3T4 2C WSqsh 8-15hz window 20 mins for the second time. No problems the first time but this time a strong response. Tears and whole body disorientation and feelings of nausea. My impression is similar to an inner ear illness I once had had similar symptoms. She reported FP2 thru to FC4 Heaviness " something big and solid sitting in there and comes down to my right eye a bit. She has difficulty controlling her hands /moving and clumps along rather than walking. I followed up with 5 mins of the C4 A2 1C hotspot protocol which usually provides a claming effect but this reaction was very strong. > > > > She has taken about halsf an hour for about half the symptomology to subside. > > > > Any suggestions ? > > > > Malcolm McEnery, > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Hi Malcom IMHO stands for: In My Humble Opinion... Regards, JRMalcolm McEnery <malcolm@...> wrote: Right on the ball – Bravo! I am not familiar with the jargon – what is IMHO the abbreviation of? Further the client who had the extreme abreaction. Client fully recovered within 24 hours. The head tilting, eye movement, and hand position was that which is standard for a newborn baby during the first 3 weeks after birth. The shuffling/clumping walk is representative of a toddler in the early stages of learning to walk. These are two entirely different stages of human development and are therefore not representative of an actual state regression, but of a regression to what the individual perceives as representative of the infantile state. Hospitalization and tests of urine, ECG, and MRI showed no abnormalities. This information (along with other gleaned information) and an independent report of earlier behavior similar to, but not as intense as described has given an extra diagnosis. Client has childhood process and current behaviors which indicate Reactive Attachment Disorder and the above symptomology fulfills important descriptors of Conversion Disorder. The Neurotherapy allowed for emotional triggers to arise and client retreated to a defense/survival mechanism. Hypothesis is, that when triggered, client returns to a state which in client’s mind represents a period where client is too young to be blamed and/or mistreated. A period where, the client believes, a person SHOULD be safe. Malcolm From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of R. Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2005 3:16 AM Subject: Re: Re: Abreaction Hi Pete, Could this be related to the the temporal lobes training? , which is very related to the lymbic system, that as all we know, is the "emotional brain". IMO It's like we are opening a pandora box , which possible contents a lot of painful or non wanted memories that were repressed by the unconscious mind+brain. IMHO I believe that slowing down the Beta & HiBeta activity at the temporals will cause a very similar effect that when we're going to psychotherapy and make some catharsis process, but in this case, unknowing the exact reason of the feelings, emotions and/or reaction. But at the end, surely will be very helpful. Looking thru this glasses could make more sense all the "symptoms" referred as consecuence of the training, don't you think so? Or maybe too much NFB to my brain is causing all this ideas? Regards, JR Van Deusen <pvdtlc@...> wrote: If I were going to do a Windowed Squash on the temporals, I usually just leave 8-12 Hz in the window. I would use that protocol if alpha were low (A/T ratio eyes-closed perhaps well below 1.0). Otherwise, probably a squish of 15-38 Hz instead.I can't say that would be related to the response this young lady experienced.Pete> > From: "Mark Baddeley" <baddeley@...>> Date: 2005/11/15 Tue PM 09:27:05 EST> < >> Subject: Re: Abreaction> > Hi Malcolm> This is a general observation that others might pick up on and comment on. I figure there must be a limit to how much one squashes ie, a lower threshold limit that one does not want to go beyond. At this point I have no specific criteria to settle that by but others might.> Mark> Abreaction> > > I have just finished training a young lady 23yo T3T4 2C WSqsh 8-15hz window 20 mins for the second time. No problems the first time but this time a strong response. Tears and whole body disorientation and feelings of nausea. My impression is similar to an inner ear illness I once had had similar symptoms. She reported FP2 thru to FC4 Heaviness "something big and solid sitting in there and comes down to my right eye a bit. She has difficulty controlling her hands /moving and clumps along rather than walking. I followed up with 5 mins of the C4 A2 1C hotspot protocol which usually provides a claming effect but this reaction was very strong.> > > > She has taken about halsf an hour for about half the symptomology to subside.> > > > Any suggestions ?> > > > Malcolm McEnery, > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 Noel,Actually I do. Windowed squash and squish and squash protocols are all inhibit only, but they work over broader areas geographically (2 channels summed) and generally over broader frequency bands. They work well for some people and others don't respond to them. Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235 The Learning Curve, Inc. On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Noel Eastwood <pac_aussie@...> wrote: Mark, food for thought, never have I seen anything about this before. I use an inhibit only for some clients and have had success, and I know Pete uses inhibit only designs but not for traumatised clients. RegardsNoel EastwoodPsychologistCanberra, Australiawww.nenfb.comBioexplorer Training videos:- Creating your own Basic Protocols in Bioexplorer, Getting started in Bioexplorer, Running and Screening Your Session in Bioexplorer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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