Re: Sticky-butt-juice

[Guest guest]

your right in that sence, eric. I throw out the words " toxic mold "

quite often sence I live alone and have to go into pulic for

nesessitys. the general responce is a look of shock, and someone

saying " I heard thats really bad stuff " . better than them saying " whats

that? " . anyway,....I do however draw the line when it comes to people

that are in the business of provideing people with a place to live.

it is theri business and part of that business is to know all the

ends and outs. landlords that rent even one apartment or home are

responceable for the air inside that home. if there was a gas leak,

they would be responceable. they deal with renters insurance,

insurance company's have known about the effects of toxic molds for a

long time. this group has been here sence the 90's, I have came

acroos a lot of old infomation on the web, you cant tell me the

landlords have not or do not deal with leaks constantly in theri

apartments, mold is something they deal with on a constant bases. if

they dont know about mold, than they are not dealing with the

problems that cause mold in the first place.this is neglagence. even

if theri not up on all the illnesses that mold causes, they at least

have the knowledge that toxic mold is really bad stuff, like the

general public. if this is the case, they really should get educated,

it might save them from getting sued. ignorance is not innosence. and

until our goverment desides to start regulating what landlords can

and cannot do. there will be lawsuits. if you landlord had not been

your sister, would you of sued her? you said yourself that there is

ill feelings now. and it sounds like you were agervated with her for

not believeing in your knowledge of toxic mold. the same way it is

agervateing to deal with a landlord that refuses to deal with a

complaint that a apartment has mold and its makeing you sick. it cost

about $50.00 to do tape test. if a landlord tried to rent a apartment

with known toxins in it and he informed the pulic it was a toxic

home, do you think anyone would rent it? for most landlords this is

theri gravy on the table, theri makeing easy money, and pocketing it

by not dealing with the upkeep needed on theri apartments. some of

these places should be condemed because of the mold problems, maybe

some landlords just want to play dumb to keep that money in theri

pockets.

>

> The mycotoxin paradigm shift goes far beyond just placing the

burden

> of responsibility on the person who was unfortunate enough to

> inhabit or own the property from which the mold emanates unless

they

> have knowledge of the potential for savage neurotoxic illness and

> their actions can be construed as deliberate malfeasance.

>

> I used to think that I was laboring at a disadvantage for having

to

> deal with biotoxin mediated illness long before doctors had a clue

> or remediators re-invented themselves as " mold experts " .

> But it turns out that the early lack of knowledge forced me

> to " self test " almost every concept associated with this

phenomenon,

> and this gives me an entirely different perspective on the all-

> encompassing scope of mycotoxin exposure, such as knowing about

> outside " plumes " before I associated this with indoor contamination

> of buildings.

> I was renting a small apartment from my sister that absolutely

> drove me under the " power curve " every winter. This small apartment

> was adjacent to her house. To stay functional, I had to spend at

> least an hour outside every day to " break the response " - no matter

> how cold or hard it was snowing. And then at night I felt like I

> was fighting for my life - just trying to survive until morning.

> My sisters house was even worse and made me wonder how others

could

> survive where I could not.

> There was an area outside her house on the far side that threw out

a

> plume that just knocked me flat. Every time I was dumb enough to

go

> there again, it just ruined me for days.

> My sister didn't believe a word I said, even though she had vague

> signs of illness herself.

> Finally, I had enough of my families " All In Your Head " nonsense

> and stood up to address them at Thanksgiving dinner in 1997.

> I said that I would no longer accept any statements that expressed

> or implied that I was exaggerating my illness in any way.

> Such statements would be taken as calling me a liar, and that

anyone

> who even conceived of contradicting me when I was simply stating

> facts were the lowest form of inhumane humanity.

> I believe my exact words were " Anyone who even thinks I am lying is

> a low life vermin scumbag from Hell " . (I had REALLY had it at this

> point)

> My sister decided to include herself in the group of " scumbags

from

> Hell " for whom I have the greatest contempt and rhetorically

> stated: " So you are saying that YOU are right, and ALL the doctors

> are wrong! "

> And I replied " Yes, that is exactly what I am sayiing " . and she

> disdainfully replied " Well, you're an arrogant bastard " .

> " Am I? Does it make me arrogant simply because I can perceive

> exactly what is doing this to me, and the doctors don't believe it?

> Does it make me arrogant just because I have a reactivity that they

> do not yet understand, and that my case isn't yet proven to them?

> Just because I stand up for what I can so clearly feel and refuse

to

> back down, makes me an arrogant person? "

> Well, we haven't spoken a lot since then, although my mother tells

> me that my sister eventually showed increasing signs of illness

> until she was forced to have her bathroom tested and remediated

> for " that stick, stocky, stachy... whatever-you-call-it-mold? "

> (All these years of repeating it and my family can't even get it

> right - although I gave them a " mnemonic " of " Sticky-butt-juice "

> which should have been close enough)

> So my sister finally " Saw the light " even though she was going to

> fight, argue, contradict and insult me all the way for just stating

> a reality that she had yet to learn. She never did contact me to

> say anything like:

>

> " Sorry " .

>

> It wouldn't do me any good to sue my " landlord " .

> She didn't know it herself.

> This was just an overwhelming catastrophe that just overtook some

of

> us sooner than others - and the ones who haven't experienced what

> this can do are putting more effort into denial than comprehension.

> Her negligence wasn't based on understanding that there was any

> problem of which to be cognizant - and it wound up hurting all of

us

> in more ways than just being neurotoxically poisoned.

> It poisoned a blood relationship that I had always thought was

> thicker than water, but turned out more like paint thinner.

>

> Just as people in Katrina damaged areas are just starting to learn,

> when mold hits you like a Hurricane, we're all victims together.

> -

>

[Guest guest]

It's funny, you always hear people say in the movies

" you really find out who your friends are when the chips are down "

I always thought they meant your friends would abandon you by that.

I never dreamt my friends and even family would make insults and

innuendo towards my character and feed off of the anguish they cause.

Especially when everyone of them knows who I was and all I had

achieved before I got ill.

I call it " The Retarded Disconnect "

No matter how much evidence supports what I am saying they completely

ignore all of it but latch on with both hands to any crumb that can

help them keep their position that I am a bad guy.

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:29:46 +0000, you wrote:

>Finally, I had enough of my families " All In Your Head " nonsense

>and stood up to address them at Thanksgiving dinner in 1997.

>I said that I would no longer accept any statements that expressed

>or implied that I was exaggerating my illness in any way.

>Such statements would be taken as calling me a liar, and that anyone

>who even conceived of contradicting me when I was simply stating

>facts were the lowest form of inhumane humanity.

>I believe my exact words were " Anyone who even thinks I am lying is

>a low life vermin scumbag from Hell " . (I had REALLY had it at this

>point)

> My sister decided to include herself in the group of " scumbags from

>Hell " for whom I have the greatest contempt and rhetorically

>stated: " So you are saying that YOU are right, and ALL the doctors

>are wrong! "

>And I replied " Yes, that is exactly what I am sayiing " . and she

>disdainfully replied " Well, you're an arrogant bastard " .

> " Am I? Does it make me arrogant simply because I can perceive

>exactly what is doing this to me, and the doctors don't believe it?

>Does it make me arrogant just because I have a reactivity that they

>do not yet understand, and that my case isn't yet proven to them?

>Just because I stand up for what I can so clearly feel and refuse to

>back down, makes me an arrogant person? "

> Well, we haven't spoken a lot since then, although my mother tells

>me that my sister eventually showed increasing signs of illness

>until she was forced to have her bathroom tested and remediated

>for " that stick, stocky, stachy... whatever-you-call-it-mold? "

>(All these years of repeating it and my family can't even get it

>right - although I gave them a " mnemonic " of " Sticky-butt-juice "

>which should have been close enough)

> So my sister finally " Saw the light " even though she was going to

>fight, argue, contradict and insult me all the way for just stating

>a reality that she had yet to learn. She never did contact me to

>say anything like:

>

> " Sorry " .

>

>It wouldn't do me any good to sue my " landlord " .

>She didn't know it herself.

>This was just an overwhelming catastrophe that just overtook some of

>us sooner than others - and the ones who haven't experienced what

>this can do are putting more effort into denial than comprehension.

>Her negligence wasn't based on understanding that there was any

>problem of which to be cognizant - and it wound up hurting all of us

>in more ways than just being neurotoxically poisoned.

>It poisoned a blood relationship that I had always thought was

>thicker than water, but turned out more like paint thinner.

>

>Just as people in Katrina damaged areas are just starting to learn,

>when mold hits you like a Hurricane, we're all victims together.

[Guest guest]

Christ wrote:

> I always thought they meant your friends would abandon you by

that. I never dreamt my friends and even family would make insults

and innuendo towards my character and feed off of the anguish they

cause.

>

> Especially when everyone of them knows who I was and all I had

> achieved before I got ill.

It was during that very " Thanksgiving Blow-up " that I begged my

family to believe me.

I said " You all know that I was a windsurfer instructor and a Hang

Glider Pilot and an active person dedicated to health.

Do you really believe I would CHOOSE to be sick and destroyed instead

of having fun like I used to? "

And my sister said " It's just your obsessive personality. You used to

obsess about having fun all the time and now you just strangely chose

to obsess about this instead. You're just a loser who can't get a

life " .

I had always had a good relationship with my sister up to this point.

I had ominous warnings of her beliefs by listening to disparaging

remarks she had made to others with similar illness, but I had always

fooled myself that " when the chips were down " that she wouldn't do the

same to me.

I was wrong to fool myself like that.

-

[Guest guest]

I also have a sister that I am no longer talking to because of mold.

I have always been a strong person, but family can hurt you more than

anyone else. so sorry for all of you that are dealing with

this.

>

> > I always thought they meant your friends would abandon you by

> that. I never dreamt my friends and even family would make

insults

> and innuendo towards my character and feed off of the anguish they

> cause.

> >

> > Especially when everyone of them knows who I was and all I had

> > achieved before I got ill.

>

>

> It was during that very " Thanksgiving Blow-up " that I begged my

> family to believe me.

> I said " You all know that I was a windsurfer instructor and a Hang

> Glider Pilot and an active person dedicated to health.

> Do you really believe I would CHOOSE to be sick and destroyed

instead

> of having fun like I used to? "

> And my sister said " It's just your obsessive personality. You used

to

> obsess about having fun all the time and now you just strangely

chose

> to obsess about this instead. You're just a loser who can't get a

> life " .

>

> I had always had a good relationship with my sister up to this

point.

> I had ominous warnings of her beliefs by listening to disparaging

> remarks she had made to others with similar illness, but I had

always

> fooled myself that " when the chips were down " that she wouldn't do

the

> same to me.

> I was wrong to fool myself like that.

> -

>

[Guest guest]

>I said " You all know that I was a windsurfer instructor and a Hang

>Glider Pilot and an active person dedicated to health.

>Do you really believe I would CHOOSE to be sick and destroyed instead

>of having fun like I used to? "

> And my sister said " It's just your obsessive personality. You used to

>obsess about having fun all the time and now you just strangely chose

>to obsess about this instead. You're just a loser who can't get a

>life " .

This is a severe form of retardation I call " wishful retarded

thinking " . What really hurts so bad is the person wants to believe

these horrible things about you. So bad that they more or less

" hypnotize " themselves into it. Looking in from the outside it's so

obvious the victims of these thinking disorders are suffering from a

horrible delusion. But there is little you can do to help them. They

usually speak down to you with a smug air of superiority as if their

knowledge is absolute and discount everything you say as ridiculous

and pathetic. It's best not engage these people in debates because it

always ends in futility. Although when I have used this tactic I have

found that they always never fail to bring it up.

>

> I had always had a good relationship with my sister up to this point.

>I had ominous warnings of her beliefs by listening to disparaging

>remarks she had made to others with similar illness, but I had always

>fooled myself that " when the chips were down " that she wouldn't do the

>same to me.

I have noticed the same character flaws in my brother, and always

ignored them. I am agnostic but to quote Jesus I think he said

somewhere " that what you do onto others you are doing onto me "

I am guilty of ignoring friends whom have done this to others.

Sometimes I have to ask was I ever this bad myself?

I would have to say I don't know how I could be as unfair to or show

the contempt towards my brother or friends that they have shown

towards me over the years.

And as time goes by you get so sensitized to criticism that you fail

to realize that sometimes people don't mean things the way they

sound. It's very difficult to just let things go.

Especially with a disease like this. It's the gift that keeps on

giving. The grief can be unimaginable.

[Guest guest]

I call it " rightous ignorance, and I hate people that make

judgement on something they dont have a clue about. I cant deal with

closed minded people anymore. I dont waste my time on them as I have

found that it's easier to beat my head against a brick

wall.

>

>

>

> >I said " You all know that I was a windsurfer instructor and a Hang

> >Glider Pilot and an active person dedicated to health.

> >Do you really believe I would CHOOSE to be sick and destroyed

instead

> >of having fun like I used to? "

> > And my sister said " It's just your obsessive personality. You

used to

> >obsess about having fun all the time and now you just strangely

chose

> >to obsess about this instead. You're just a loser who can't get a

> >life " .

> This is a severe form of retardation I call " wishful retarded

> thinking " . What really hurts so bad is the person wants to believe

> these horrible things about you. So bad that they more or less

> " hypnotize " themselves into it. Looking in from the outside it's so

> obvious the victims of these thinking disorders are suffering from a

> horrible delusion. But there is little you can do to help them.

They

> usually speak down to you with a smug air of superiority as if

their

> knowledge is absolute and discount everything you say as ridiculous

> and pathetic. It's best not engage these people in debates because

it

> always ends in futility. Although when I have used this tactic I

have

> found that they always never fail to bring it up.

>

> >

> > I had always had a good relationship with my sister up to this

point.

> >I had ominous warnings of her beliefs by listening to disparaging

> >remarks she had made to others with similar illness, but I had

always

> >fooled myself that " when the chips were down " that she wouldn't do

the

> >same to me.

>

> I have noticed the same character flaws in my brother, and always

> ignored them. I am agnostic but to quote Jesus I think he said

> somewhere " that what you do onto others you are doing onto me "

>

> I am guilty of ignoring friends whom have done this to others.

> Sometimes I have to ask was I ever this bad myself?

>

> I would have to say I don't know how I could be as unfair to or

show

> the contempt towards my brother or friends that they have shown

> towards me over the years.

>

> And as time goes by you get so sensitized to criticism that you

fail

> to realize that sometimes people don't mean things the way they

> sound. It's very difficult to just let things go.

>

> Especially with a disease like this. It's the gift that keeps on

> giving. The grief can be unimaginable.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, I am sorry, but I had to laugh at your last statememnt- I

say the same thing about my family0 I say they have compassion

fatigue after so many years of mystery illnesses you would think

they would be allitle happier for a diagnosis. My family is allitle

more understanding of my situation- and I have gone back to work-

thank God-.My sister, who lived in Sweded most of her adult life-

allways thought sick people were treated terribly in this country-

even co-workers think you are a slacker- and you have to pay to go

to the Dr- double punishment-good luck- and feel free to whine here

as much as you want.

> >

> >> And as time goes by you get so sensitized to criticism that

> >

> >...

> >

> >so thats what mcs stands for

> >multiple criticism sensitivities

> >

>