Re: A Question on CSM

[Guest guest]

Hi Jay, I don't remember having diarrhea, fever or vomiting at all. I did

get constipated, was extremely tired and did feel a little nauseous. Mostly I

slept and slept some more and just didn't feel very good. But I have to tell

you that 2 yrs. later I am feeling 100% better than I did. I took my CSM and

never missed a dose! I would mix it up in a small plastic bottle before

going to bed. Early in the AM about 5am I would take the 1st dose, another

about 10:30am, then again about 3PM and the last one about 9PM. Worked for me

&

didn't interfer with eating or other meds.

Good luck! If you have any other questions please feel free to get in touch!

Sue

Hi all,

My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks on CSM, he

suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a mild fever. He

wasn't exposed to ANY virus as far as I know, so I thought this must have been

due to the CSM pulling the toxins, but Dr.S's staff told me it was not related

to CSM. Then after about 4 days, he got better and stools are much better

too. Since he has never had this kind of illness except when it all started

with his severe vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago.

Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe watery

diarrhea and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to the CSM pulling

toxins

but don't know for sure. Again, this kind of illness is unusual for me too.

I wanted to see if anyone had similar experience with CSM.

Thanks so much

Jay

,

[Guest guest]

This seems to be an odd reaction to CSM when everything I read in the PDR

type materials says that if anything, CSM can cause constipation...Wondering

if you are reacting to timing of taking the CSM versus when you are eating

or if you are reacting to the food coloring and other inert ingredients that

come in the CSM. Some on this list have been getting the product compounded

from various pharmacies.

So no, I am not having the reaction that you did...

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of jay krishnaa

Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 1:49 PM

Subject: [] A Question on CSM

Hi all,

My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks on CSM,

he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a mild fever. He

wasn't exposed to ANY virus as far as I know, so I thought this must have

been due to the CSM pulling the toxins, but Dr.S's staff told me it was not

related to CSM. Then after about 4 days, he got better and stools are much

better too. Since he has never had this kind of illness except when it all

started with his severe vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago.

Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe watery

diarrhea and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to the CSM

pulling toxins but don't know for sure. Again, this kind of illness is

unusual for me too. I wanted to see if anyone had similar experience with

CSM.

Thanks so much

Jay

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, . Both my son and I are on compounded CSM, so it can't be the

fillers etc. My son's reaction stopped a week ago even though the timing of

CSM/eating meals have remained the same. I haven't changed the timing for me

either. I will see how long this reaction lasts. I really think it is NOT a

virus or some bug causing this. My stools did look better immediately after I

started the CSM and my son also has healthy looking stools now.

Whenever I did Hulda 's Liver Cleanse in the past, I had similar looking

healthy stools immediately after the flush for about a week indicating good bile

circulation. So, I am assuming a similar thing is going on.

Thanks

Jay

L <knightshotter@...> wrote:

This seems to be an odd reaction to CSM when everything I read in the PDR

type materials says that if anything, CSM can cause constipation...Wondering

if you are reacting to timing of taking the CSM versus when you are eating

or if you are reacting to the food coloring and other inert ingredients that

come in the CSM. Some on this list have been getting the product compounded

from various pharmacies.

So no, I am not having the reaction that you did...

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of jay krishnaa

Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 1:49 PM

Subject: [] A Question on CSM

Hi all,

My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks on CSM,

he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a mild fever. He

wasn't exposed to ANY virus as far as I know, so I thought this must have

been due to the CSM pulling the toxins, but Dr.S's staff told me it was not

related to CSM. Then after about 4 days, he got better and stools are much

better too. Since he has never had this kind of illness except when it all

started with his severe vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago.

Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe watery

diarrhea and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to the CSM

pulling toxins but don't know for sure. Again, this kind of illness is

unusual for me too. I wanted to see if anyone had similar experience with

CSM.

Thanks so much

Jay

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[Guest guest]

Jay,

I got very ill at first but did not have the diarrhea..just the opposite. It

may be that you are detoxing too fast. I had to stay with just 2 doses a day.

You might try that and see if it makes a difference.

Marcie

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Hi all,

My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks on CSM, he

suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a mild fever. He wasn't

exposed to ANY virus as far as I know, so I thought this must have been due to

the CSM pulling the toxins, but Dr.S's staff told me it was not related to CSM.

Then after about 4 days, he got better and stools are much better too. Since he

has never had this kind of illness except when it all started with his severe

vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago.

Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe watery diarrhea

and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to the CSM pulling toxins but

don't know for sure. Again, this kind of illness is unusual for me too. I wanted

to see if anyone had similar experience with CSM.

Thanks so much

Jay

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Marcie. It helps to know people's experiences on CSM. I also feel it is

the detox effect. I will see how long it lasts for me. You're right about the

dosage too. I was given 1 tablespoon 4 times a day and I only did 3 times a day

and 1 tablespoon was a LOT of 'stuff'. So, I reduced to 1/2 tablespoon 3 times a

day recently.

Thanks

Jay

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Jay,

I got very ill at first but did not have the diarrhea..just the opposite. It

may be that you are detoxing too fast. I had to stay with just 2 doses a day.

You might try that and see if it makes a difference.

Marcie

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Hi all,

My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks on CSM, he

suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a mild fever. He wasn't

exposed to ANY virus as far as I know, so I thought this must have been due to

the CSM pulling the toxins, but Dr.S's staff told me it was not related to CSM.

Then after about 4 days, he got better and stools are much better too. Since he

has never had this kind of illness except when it all started with his severe

vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago.

Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe watery diarrhea

and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to the CSM pulling toxins but

don't know for sure. Again, this kind of illness is unusual for me too. I wanted

to see if anyone had similar experience with CSM.

Thanks so much

Jay

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[Guest guest]

My doc here is suggesting using one tablespoon but just 2x per day not the 3

or 4 that others are taking. I am also low weight and there may be issues

with that that mean that a lower dose still has good effect.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of jay krishnaa

Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 2:27 PM

Subject: Re: [] A Question on CSM

Thanks, Marcie. It helps to know people's experiences on CSM. I also feel it

is the detox effect. I will see how long it lasts for me. You're right about

the dosage too. I was given 1 tablespoon 4 times a day and I only did 3

times a day and 1 tablespoon was a LOT of 'stuff'. So, I reduced to 1/2

tablespoon 3 times a day recently.

Thanks

Jay

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Jay,

I got very ill at first but did not have the diarrhea..just the opposite.

It may be that you are detoxing too fast. I had to stay with just 2 doses a

day. You might try that and see if it makes a difference.

Marcie

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Hi all,

My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks on CSM,

he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a mild fever. He

wasn't exposed to ANY virus as far as I know, so I thought this must have

been due to the CSM pulling the toxins, but Dr.S's staff told me it was not

related to CSM. Then after about 4 days, he got better and stools are much

better too. Since he has never had this kind of illness except when it all

started with his severe vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago.

Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe watery

diarrhea and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to the CSM

pulling toxins but don't know for sure. Again, this kind of illness is

unusual for me too. I wanted to see if anyone had similar experience with

CSM.

Thanks so much

Jay

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[Guest guest]

Jay,

Mine comes in packages with a single dose of 4 grams. I also had Sorbitol to

it because it blocks me up too bad.( 4 tablespoons of sorbitol) There is no way

I could do 4 doses of this a day right now. UGH!!!! During this detox, I feel

lousy but it has helped with my joint pain and some of the brain fog.

Marcie

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Thanks, Marcie. It helps to know people's experiences on CSM. I also feel it

is the detox effect. I will see how long it lasts for me. You're right about the

dosage too. I was given 1 tablespoon 4 times a day and I only did 3 times a day

and 1 tablespoon was a LOT of 'stuff'. So, I reduced to 1/2 tablespoon 3 times a

day recently.

Thanks

Jay

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Jay,

I got very ill at first but did not have the diarrhea..just the opposite. It

may be that you are detoxing too fast. I had to stay with just 2 doses a day.

You might try that and see if it makes a difference.

Marcie

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Hi all,

My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks on CSM, he

suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a mild fever. He wasn't

exposed to ANY virus as far as I know, so I thought this must have been due to

the CSM pulling the toxins, but Dr.S's staff told me it was not related to CSM.

Then after about 4 days, he got better and stools are much better too. Since he

has never had this kind of illness except when it all started with his severe

vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago.

Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe watery diarrhea

and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to the CSM pulling toxins but

don't know for sure. Again, this kind of illness is unusual for me too. I wanted

to see if anyone had similar experience with CSM.

Thanks so much

Jay

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[Guest guest]

Sorry you are having thes reactions Jay-after over a year of use- I

have never had any bad reactions-except maybe the staining of my

teeth- now I try and brush after use

>

> Hi all,

>

> My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2

weeks on CSM, he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea

and a mild fever. He wasn't exposed to ANY virus as far as I know,

so I thought this must have been due to the CSM pulling the toxins,

but Dr.S's staff told me it was not related to CSM. Then after about

4 days, he got better and stools are much better too. Since he has

never had this kind of illness except when it all started with his

severe vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago.

>

> Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe

watery diarrhea and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to

the CSM pulling toxins but don't know for sure. Again, this kind of

illness is unusual for me too. I wanted to see if anyone had similar

experience with CSM.

>

> Thanks so much

> Jay

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . I am also on the skinny side (actually underweight and just can't

put on weight). I have heard that smaller doses more times a day is a better way

to go. Since it has be on an empty stomach, it is easier for me to do it with my

son (he takes it 3 times a day).

Thanks

Jay

L <knightshotter@...> wrote:

My doc here is suggesting using one tablespoon but just 2x per day not the 3

or 4 that others are taking. I am also low weight and there may be issues

with that that mean that a lower dose still has good effect.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of jay krishnaa

Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 2:27 PM

Subject: Re: [] A Question on CSM

Thanks, Marcie. It helps to know people's experiences on CSM. I also feel it

is the detox effect. I will see how long it lasts for me. You're right about

the dosage too. I was given 1 tablespoon 4 times a day and I only did 3

times a day and 1 tablespoon was a LOT of 'stuff'. So, I reduced to 1/2

tablespoon 3 times a day recently.

Thanks

Jay

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Jay,

I got very ill at first but did not have the diarrhea..just the opposite.

It may be that you are detoxing too fast. I had to stay with just 2 doses a

day. You might try that and see if it makes a difference.

Marcie

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Hi all,

My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks on CSM,

he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a mild fever. He

wasn't exposed to ANY virus as far as I know, so I thought this must have

been due to the CSM pulling the toxins, but Dr.S's staff told me it was not

related to CSM. Then after about 4 days, he got better and stools are much

better too. Since he has never had this kind of illness except when it all

started with his severe vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago.

Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe watery

diarrhea and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to the CSM

pulling toxins but don't know for sure. Again, this kind of illness is

unusual for me too. I wanted to see if anyone had similar experience with

CSM.

Thanks so much

Jay

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[Guest guest]

Jay and ,

I am also underweight. I lost a lot of weight after the exposure. I used to

have muscles and could drop a 300 lb. male during an arrest but right now I

could not fight a butterfly and win. :-(

Marcie

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Thanks, . I am also on the skinny side (actually underweight and just

can't put on weight). I have heard that smaller doses more times a day is a

better way to go. Since it has be on an empty stomach, it is easier for me to do

it with my son (he takes it 3 times a day).

Thanks

Jay

L <knightshotter@...> wrote:

My doc here is suggesting using one tablespoon but just 2x per day not the 3

or 4 that others are taking. I am also low weight and there may be issues

with that that mean that a lower dose still has good effect.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of jay krishnaa

Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 2:27 PM

Subject: Re: [] A Question on CSM

Thanks, Marcie. It helps to know people's experiences on CSM. I also feel it

is the detox effect. I will see how long it lasts for me. You're right about

the dosage too. I was given 1 tablespoon 4 times a day and I only did 3

times a day and 1 tablespoon was a LOT of 'stuff'. So, I reduced to 1/2

tablespoon 3 times a day recently.

Thanks

Jay

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Jay,

I got very ill at first but did not have the diarrhea..just the opposite.

It may be that you are detoxing too fast. I had to stay with just 2 doses a

day. You might try that and see if it makes a difference.

Marcie

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Hi all,

My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks on CSM,

he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a mild fever. He

wasn't exposed to ANY virus as far as I know, so I thought this must have

been due to the CSM pulling the toxins, but Dr.S's staff told me it was not

related to CSM. Then after about 4 days, he got better and stools are much

better too. Since he has never had this kind of illness except when it all

started with his severe vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago.

Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe watery

diarrhea and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to the CSM

pulling toxins but don't know for sure. Again, this kind of illness is

unusual for me too. I wanted to see if anyone had similar experience with

CSM.

Thanks so much

Jay

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Marcie. I clearly need to reduce the dose even further.

Jay

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Jay,

Mine comes in packages with a single dose of 4 grams. I also had Sorbitol to

it because it blocks me up too bad.( 4 tablespoons of sorbitol) There is no way

I could do 4 doses of this a day right now. UGH!!!! During this detox, I feel

lousy but it has helped with my joint pain and some of the brain fog.

Marcie

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Thanks, Marcie. It helps to know people's experiences on CSM. I also feel it

is the detox effect. I will see how long it lasts for me. You're right about the

dosage too. I was given 1 tablespoon 4 times a day and I only did 3 times a day

and 1 tablespoon was a LOT of 'stuff'. So, I reduced to 1/2 tablespoon 3 times a

day recently.

Thanks

Jay

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Jay,

I got very ill at first but did not have the diarrhea..just the opposite. It

may be that you are detoxing too fast. I had to stay with just 2 doses a day.

You might try that and see if it makes a difference.

Marcie

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Hi all,

My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks on CSM, he

suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a mild fever. He wasn't

exposed to ANY virus as far as I know, so I thought this must have been due to

the CSM pulling the toxins, but Dr.S's staff told me it was not related to CSM.

Then after about 4 days, he got better and stools are much better too. Since he

has never had this kind of illness except when it all started with his severe

vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago.

Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe watery diarrhea

and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to the CSM pulling toxins but

don't know for sure. Again, this kind of illness is unusual for me too. I wanted

to see if anyone had similar experience with CSM.

Thanks so much

Jay

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[Guest guest]

Your welcome and be easy on yourself! It is a learning process for us all. What

ever dose you end up taking will be the right one for your body. I had to play

with my doses also....Good Luck.

Marcie

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Thanks, Marcie. I clearly need to reduce the dose even further.

Jay

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Jay,

Mine comes in packages with a single dose of 4 grams. I also had Sorbitol to

it because it blocks me up too bad.( 4 tablespoons of sorbitol) There is no way

I could do 4 doses of this a day right now. UGH!!!! During this detox, I feel

lousy but it has helped with my joint pain and some of the brain fog.

Marcie

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Thanks, Marcie. It helps to know people's experiences on CSM. I also feel it

is the detox effect. I will see how long it lasts for me. You're right about the

dosage too. I was given 1 tablespoon 4 times a day and I only did 3 times a day

and 1 tablespoon was a LOT of 'stuff'. So, I reduced to 1/2 tablespoon 3 times a

day recently.

Thanks

Jay

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote:

Jay,

I got very ill at first but did not have the diarrhea..just the opposite. It

may be that you are detoxing too fast. I had to stay with just 2 doses a day.

You might try that and see if it makes a difference.

Marcie

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Hi all,

My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks on CSM, he

suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a mild fever. He wasn't

exposed to ANY virus as far as I know, so I thought this must have been due to

the CSM pulling the toxins, but Dr.S's staff told me it was not related to CSM.

Then after about 4 days, he got better and stools are much better too. Since he

has never had this kind of illness except when it all started with his severe

vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago.

Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe watery diarrhea

and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to the CSM pulling toxins but

don't know for sure. Again, this kind of illness is unusual for me too. I wanted

to see if anyone had similar experience with CSM.

Thanks so much

Jay

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[Guest guest]

Jay,

The CSM really helped my muscle/joint pain. After a little more than a week

the first thing to improve was my brain fog. I honestly felt like I had

crawled out from under a cave. I had a clear mind and it was a wonderful

feeling!! Little by little everything started to get better. After 2 yrs. I

still

suffer from some short term memory loss and I get tired if I do too much in

one day. Other than that all my aches, pains, muscle twitches, excessive

thirst, debilitating fatigue, blinding headaches, slurred speech, blurred

vision,

ear aches, itchy skin, sleeplessness, etc. are gone. I was poisoned for so

long I didn't know what it was like to feel well.

I know you mentioned it but I can't remember how old your son is. I have a

friend that has a 16 yr. old son that is sick & can't even go to school.

Contact me directly and I'll give you her name, address, phone. I don't know

where you live, but I have a few other people you can contact with sick

children. It might help to talk to them.

Sue

[Guest guest]

I had serious vomiting problem with CSM and had to stop. I told Dr

Shoemaker I was stopping due to vomiting. I told him I might try it

again later but haven't tried to go on it again yet. I'm not sure I

will. I'm taking another route for now.

--- In , jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks

on CSM, he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a

mild fever.

[Guest guest]

You could be right Marcie, but personally I don't see how one

can 'detox' too quickly. I do see how one could kill too many

microbes or fungus too quickly, then too many toxins are released

into the body for the liver to get rid of and thus the liver damage

problem of antifungal agents. I have heard that term before though,

detoxing too fast. I just don't beleive that the body would object

to getting rid of toxins quickly. If I have a severe reaction to

something, I'm stopping it for awhile and allowing my insides to

recover, then try a lower dose to see if that is tolerated okay.

As for my reaction to CSM. I think it was too irritating to my GI

tracts. I have developed many allergies, including food allergies,

like many others here, that may keep my GI tract irritated and I

think it just couldn't take the all the insoluable fibers. It could

have been an allergic response too since I seem to be allergic to

almost everything now.

>

> Jay,

>

> I got very ill at first but did not have the diarrhea..just the

opposite. It may be that you are detoxing too fast. I had to stay

with just 2 doses a day. You might try that and see if it makes a

difference.

> Marcie

[Guest guest]

I also dropped alot of weight and went down to 5-3 106 and couldn't

put weight back on but I thought it was my cancer (fall of 2004).

Also have muscular weakness, so there is a trend there. At first I

put on weight and then I lost it, lost more than I had put on. I'm up

to 116 now, which helps me to not look sick, like I did.

--- In , Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...>

wrote:

>

> Jay and ,

>

> I am also underweight. I lost a lot of weight after the exposure.

I used to have muscles and could drop a 300 lb. male during an arrest

but right now I could not fight a butterfly and win. :-(

>

> Marcie

[Guest guest]

- my problem too barb, thats why Im leery, and really feel like I

need a expert and a total dignoses like Dr. Rea does at EHC, but

money doesnt grow on trees. I've aready been through so many

prescribed med's from regular doctors,my stomach is a mess, everytime

I eat it bloats up, I was supposed to go back to the specialest that

dignosed the MCS, allergies, food allergies, for more testing, but

have a bill there and cant afford to get there again, so I still dont

know all my allergies, and irratants. --

In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> You could be right Marcie, but personally I don't see how one

> can 'detox' too quickly. I do see how one could kill too many

> microbes or fungus too quickly, then too many toxins are released

> into the body for the liver to get rid of and thus the liver damage

> problem of antifungal agents. I have heard that term before

though,

> detoxing too fast. I just don't beleive that the body would object

> to getting rid of toxins quickly. If I have a severe reaction to

> something, I'm stopping it for awhile and allowing my insides to

> recover, then try a lower dose to see if that is tolerated okay.

>

> As for my reaction to CSM. I think it was too irritating to my GI

> tracts. I have developed many allergies, including food allergies,

> like many others here, that may keep my GI tract irritated and I

> think it just couldn't take the all the insoluable fibers. It

could

> have been an allergic response too since I seem to be allergic to

> almost everything now.

>

>

> >

> > Jay,

> >

> > I got very ill at first but did not have the diarrhea..just the

> opposite. It may be that you are detoxing too fast. I had to stay

> with just 2 doses a day. You might try that and see if it makes a

> difference.

> > Marcie

>

[Guest guest]

I lot 60lbs in 6 months while in the mold. sence getting out of it, I

just keep slowly gaining weight, and dont really eat much, and have

very little energy. I used to be strong for a woman, and worked road

construction with men, some days I dont have enough strength to raise

my arms.

> >

> > Jay and ,

> >

> > I am also underweight. I lost a lot of weight after the

exposure.

> I used to have muscles and could drop a 300 lb. male during an

arrest

> but right now I could not fight a butterfly and win. :-(

> >

> > Marcie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

Thanks so much. Yes, my body is sore and I have muscle and joint aches too

(which I quite often have). Hopefully, this will pass soon.

Thanks

Jay

ssr3351@... wrote:

Hi Jay, I don't remember having diarrhea, fever or vomiting at all. I did

get constipated, was extremely tired and did feel a little nauseous. Mostly I

slept and slept some more and just didn't feel very good. But I have to tell

you that 2 yrs. later I am feeling 100% better than I did. I took my CSM and

never missed a dose! I would mix it up in a small plastic bottle before

going to bed. Early in the AM about 5am I would take the 1st dose, another

about 10:30am, then again about 3PM and the last one about 9PM. Worked for me

&

didn't interfer with eating or other meds.

Good luck! If you have any other questions please feel free to get in touch!

Sue

Hi all,

My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks on CSM, he

suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a mild fever. He

wasn't exposed to ANY virus as far as I know, so I thought this must have been

due to the CSM pulling the toxins, but Dr.S's staff told me it was not related

to CSM. Then after about 4 days, he got better and stools are much better

too. Since he has never had this kind of illness except when it all started

with his severe vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago.

Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe watery

diarrhea and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to the CSM pulling

toxins

but don't know for sure. Again, this kind of illness is unusual for me too.

I wanted to see if anyone had similar experience with CSM.

Thanks so much

Jay

,

[Guest guest]

my illness also started with some medicine that I was put on

that had a side effect of suppressing my immune syste. It said so

in insert but wow, they are sooooo long. It gave me a terrible sore

throat. I told my doctor, he said to just take less, however now

off of medicine for over a year, I still have throat soreness (I had

developed Epstein Barr virus), and my stomach was inflamed and

ulcerated. So that was done by medicine. Ulcers are gone but I

still have bloating and something I call 'empty stomach belching'.

I belch like a man. It's awful, so my stomach is messed up also and

also due to medicine (and reason I probably can't keep the CSM

down). I try to avoid most medicine now unless I read everything

and then try small dose first, etc. If I develope something like I

did, like sore throat, I'm going off of it and like CSM vomiting,

off of it. I can't afford to take risk, I had cancer last year and

my health is very fragile.

>

> - my problem too barb, thats why Im leery, and really feel like I

> need a expert and a total dignoses like Dr. Rea does at EHC, but

> money doesnt grow on trees. I've aready been through so many

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe in your weakened state, you developed Epstein Bar virus like

me. It tends to strike people who have weakened immune system or

systemic Candidas. Do you have health insurance?

>

> I lot 60lbs in 6 months while in the mold. sence getting out of it,

I

> just keep slowly gaining weight, and dont really eat much, and have

> very little energy. I used to be strong for a woman, and worked road

> construction with men, some days I dont have enough strength to

raise

> my arms

[Guest guest]

I don't understand the need for more testing, and most Dr won't know

what is wrong with you anyway- the only tests that show mold

illnesses, besides Dr Crofts tests are the ones described and

outlined by Shoemaker in his book Mold Warriors. Stomach bloating up

is most likly candida overgrowth do to mold exposure- you need to

start treating yourself if you want to get better- get a

perscription for CSM and practice avoidence of mold- the candida

will be helped immensly if you stay on Shoemakers no amlose diet. I

don't think you need another " specialist " - who probably does not

know anything to get better- you need to do the work youself.

>

- my problem too barb, thats why Im leery, and really feel like I

> need a expert and a total dignoses like Dr. Rea does at EHC, but

> money doesnt grow on trees. I've aready been through so many

> prescribed med's from regular doctors,my stomach is a mess,

everytime

> I eat it bloats up, I was supposed to go back to the specialest

that

> dignosed the MCS, allergies, food allergies, for more testing, but

> have a bill there and cant afford to get there again, so I still

dont

> know all my allergies, and

irratants. --

> In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@> wrote:

> >

> > You could be right Marcie, but personally I don't see how one

> > can 'detox' too quickly. I do see how one could kill too many

> > microbes or fungus too quickly, then too many toxins are

released

> > into the body for the liver to get rid of and thus the liver

damage

> > problem of antifungal agents. I have heard that term before

> though,

> > detoxing too fast. I just don't beleive that the body would

object

> > to getting rid of toxins quickly. If I have a severe reaction

to

> > something, I'm stopping it for awhile and allowing my insides to

> > recover, then try a lower dose to see if that is tolerated okay.

> >

> > As for my reaction to CSM. I think it was too irritating to my

GI

> > tracts. I have developed many allergies, including food

allergies,

> > like many others here, that may keep my GI tract irritated and I

> > think it just couldn't take the all the insoluable fibers. It

> could

> > have been an allergic response too since I seem to be allergic

to

> > almost everything now.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Jay,

> > >

> > > I got very ill at first but did not have the diarrhea..just

the

> > opposite. It may be that you are detoxing too fast. I had to

stay

> > with just 2 doses a day. You might try that and see if it makes

a

> > difference.

> > > Marcie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-Dr Shoemaker thinks that fish oils help resolve chronic fatigue- I

have very little fatigue now , after a year of CSM and lots of fish

oil

-- In , " who " <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

>

> I lot 60lbs in 6 months while in the mold. sence getting out of

it, I

> just keep slowly gaining weight, and dont really eat much, and

have

> very little energy. I used to be strong for a woman, and worked

road

> construction with men, some days I dont have enough strength to

raise

> my arms.

> > >

> > > Jay and ,

> > >

> > > I am also underweight. I lost a lot of weight after the

> exposure.

> > I used to have muscles and could drop a 300 lb. male during an

> arrest

> > but right now I could not fight a butterfly and win. :-(

> > >

> > > Marcie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My original exposure gave me allot of stomack bloating- which

resolved itself with my normal diet- which included allot of pro-

biotics anyway- numerouse people seem to get candida from mold- That

is why I mention it- of course anything is possible- I also had

candida in my mouth and throat and hair and ears- when the immune

system crashes you can get covered with it. my subsequent exposure

did not give me candida in the gut- but wheat intolerence- would be

of interest to know why- but getting healthy will have to do for me.

My GP had no problem with perscribing CSM_ I think if you do your

homework- act knowledgably- and give your DR some info- you can get

a script- of course there are allot of crabby stubborn Drs who don't

believe a biotoxin even exists- then you need a new DR

>

> >>On Behalf Of carondeen Stomach bloating up is most likly candida

> overgrowth do to mold exposure- you need to start treating

yourself if you

> want to get better- get a perscription for CSM and practice

avoidence of

> mold- the candida will be helped immensly if you stay on

Shoemakers no

> amlose diet. I don't think you need another " specialist " - who

probably does

> not know anything to get better- you need to do the work youself.

> >

>

> Hi . Stomach bloating can be caused by more than just

Candida. Such

> as food intolerances and some rather serious. Take a look at:

>

> http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/abdominal_swelling.htm

>

> The amlose diet is good, however the candida (if we have it) also

needs to

> be killed and the bowel replenished with friendly bacteria. We

all have

> some candida in our intestines; it's only a problem when there is

an

> overgrowth and we must kill and replenish the friendly, good

bacteria.

>

> Question what does someone do if they cannot find a local M.D. to

prescribe

> the CSM?

>

> Rosie

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'll have to agree with you on the candida levels. My wife's was

very high after her exposure, but I'm not sure what they are now.

They haven't been checked for a while. In my opinion and again I am

not a doctor, what many do not realize after an exposure and I can

only speak from personal experience and tests we've had done, the

stomach acids, good bacteria (very low), enzymes, etc., are all

messed up. Most of the time this is why many experience the bloating

that is rock hard and the acid reflux and heartburn. It's seems its

not from an over amount of acid, it's from not enough. And because

of this your digestive track is not working properly. (at least in

our case.) What helped varify this was the use of digestive enzymes

that we had a great results with. But I know it does not work for

everyone. By using the CSM and removing the toxins hopefully it will

get some of these levels back on track. Or at least where

suppliments will work better.

For those who can't find a doctor to prescibe CSM, not that this is

a one size fits all medication, but it obviously it does help, you

have to find something to rebuild your immune system and to remove

some of these toxins. For any doctors that refuse to prescibe CSM I

would inform them documented information would help, that this has

been used for many years to remove all types of toxins in animals

and humans. It's not like it is an addictive drug or a barbituate so

I really don't under what the problem is. It sounds more like a

personal opinion on something that they are not aware of.

Just my two cents. You have to start somewhere and I do understand

about finances being tight. Your health and life depends on it.

KC

--- In , " carondeen " <kdeanstudios@...>

wrote:

>

> My original exposure gave me allot of stomack bloating- which

> resolved itself with my normal diet- which included allot of pro-

> biotics anyway- numerouse people seem to get candida from mold-

That

> is why I mention it- of course anything is possible- I also had

> candida in my mouth and throat and hair and ears- when the immune

> system crashes you can get covered with it. my subsequent exposure

> did not give me candida in the gut- but wheat intolerence- would

be

> of interest to know why- but getting healthy will have to do for

me.

> My GP had no problem with perscribing CSM_ I think if you do your

> homework- act knowledgably- and give your DR some info- you can

get

> a script- of course there are allot of crabby stubborn Drs who

don't

> believe a biotoxin even exists- then you need a new DR

>

> >

> > >>On Behalf Of carondeen Stomach bloating up is most likly

candida

> > overgrowth do to mold exposure- you need to start treating

> yourself if you

> > want to get better- get a perscription for CSM and practice

> avoidence of

> > mold- the candida will be helped immensly if you stay on

> Shoemakers no

> > amlose diet. I don't think you need another " specialist " - who

> probably does

> > not know anything to get better- you need to do the work youself.

> > >

> >

> > Hi . Stomach bloating can be caused by more than just

> Candida. Such

> > as food intolerances and some rather serious. Take a look at:

> >

> > http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/abdominal_swelling.htm

> >

> > The amlose diet is good, however the candida (if we have it)

also

> needs to

> > be killed and the bowel replenished with friendly bacteria. We

> all have

> > some candida in our intestines; it's only a problem when there

is

> an

> > overgrowth and we must kill and replenish the friendly, good

> bacteria.

> >

> > Question what does someone do if they cannot find a local M.D.

to

> prescribe

> > the CSM?

> >

> > Rosie

> >

>