Duncan Without Meds . . . .

[Guest guest]

First of all, it is NOT ImmuniCOW but " Immunocal " and you totally misunderstood

the product.

One " daily dosage " as you call it, cost $2.50 including tax and shipping. I take

4 a day. You do the math. It cost me less that a meal at the restaurant.

I take 4 because of my osteoporosis issue and found that going up and down 20

steps every half hour, I am not out of breath as when I take one packet. You

have to understand your cellular system is in competition with your skellatel

system for the glutathione.

It is $59.40 wholesale for a 30 day supply, add taxes and shipping you come up

little less than $65. How much is your quality of life worth - 5 or more meds a

month with negative side effects, and at what cost? Much less that a pack of

smokes !

Immunocal is a bonded cysteine dietary supplement. BONDED CYSTEINE describes a

unique molecular structure with special properties.

Centenarians have a very low glutathione level because your bodies(cells) don't

produce. You have not given them the building blocks.

DId you know that if you juice (fresh juice) carrots, minimum 6 glasses a day,

that you would raise your glutathione. If you have major health issues, try 8 a

day. For you guys who don't have an outside job out there, get yourself a

juicer, do something about your health ! LOL

(I work 8 hours a day on a job, I juice only on week-ends).

Body builders us a protein powder to build muscle mass, no cysteine in that.

I do not take any meds, not even an aspirin, that was my goal and I have

achieved it !

From: Duncan Crow

Longevity

Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:12 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Without Meds . . . .

Gaston made a salient point with price of Immunicow; a daily dose

of 10 grams ($60 plus shipping monthly) is adequate for

maintaining glutathione in healthy people, which would be good

for longevity, proven out with the study that showed centenarians

are not glutathione depleted but always have higher than average

glutathione values.

But the driving force in most health discussion groups is the

desire to BECOME well; alleviating existing disease with

undenatured whey might require double or triple dosing even with

Immunicow.

A good quality undenatured whey concentrate or concentrate-

isolate mix doses out at 28 to 36 grams per scoop; you'd use it

twice daily to get glutathione levels up. Body builders commonly

use around 80-120 grams daily in addition to regular food.

At Immunicow prices these doses would be cost-prohibitive for

most working people so a lot of people realize their glutathione

goal, and make their whole regime more affordable, by reducing

the whey cost right off the bat.

Duncan

On 29 Nov 2006 at 11:47, Longevity wrote:

> Re: Without Meds . . . .

> Posted by: " sita " sita1@... sita87112

> Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:51 pm ((PST))

>

> Thanks for the information.

> sita

>

> --- Gaston <sp1d3rc1d3r-ghlongevity@...> wrote:

>

> > That's because it is a MLM scheme. So I rank it

> > right

> > up there with Mannatech. Please do search the web

> > for

> > " Immunocal " and get other options before you waste

> > $70

> > or more a month on this.

> >

[Guest guest]

H.R., please see my comments interspersed.

> On 30 Nov 2006 at 11:51, Longevity wrote:

>

> Posted by: " H. R. Blais " hrblais@... hrblais

> Date: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:34 pm ((PST))

>

> First of all, it is NOT ImmuniCOW but " Immunocal " and you totally

> misunderstood the product.

I'm well aware of the play on the name.

I don't misunderstand the product; in fact few people know this

work better than I do.

> One " daily dosage " as you call it, cost $2.50 including tax and

> shipping. I take 4 a day. You do the math. It cost me less that a meal

> at the restaurant.

H.R., the math tells me it costs you $10 a day, $300 a month for

a glutathione increase that some people accomplish on about $60

per month.

I deal with many people who prefer to spend less on whey powder

and more on other supplements.

> I take 4 because of my osteoporosis issue and found that going up and

> down 20 steps every half hour, I am not out of breath as when I take

> one packet. You have to understand your cellular system is in

> competition with your skellatel system for the glutathione.

Every free radical and toxin source is in competition for the

glutathione. With respect, your skeletal system is part of your

cellular system; I'm not sure what you're saying there. All those

cells make their own glutathione; if anything they compete for

precursors.

> It is $59.40 wholesale for a 30 day supply, add taxes and shipping you

> come up little less than $65. How much is your quality of life worth

> - 5 or more meds a month with negative side effects, and at what cost?

> Much less that a pack of smokes !

That's just marketing talk and I think we have dealt with the

overpricing topic. You can justify your personal decision just

like the rest do.

> Immunocal is a bonded cysteine dietary supplement. BONDED CYSTEINE

> describes a unique molecular structure with special properties.

Bonded cysteine is not at all special; ALL undenatured wheys

contain it. From my web site: " When undenatured, alpha-

lactalbumin contains 4 cystine residues; serum albumin has 17

cystine residues and 6 glutamylcystine (Glu-Cys) dipeptides, and

non-denatured lactoferrin has 17 cystine residues and 4 Glu-Cys

dipeptides. Each cystine residue is TWO cysteines in bioavailable

form. "

So, all you have to do is find out the components of your whey to

determine how much bonded cysteine you're getting.

> Centenarians have a very low glutathione level because your

> bodies(cells) don't produce. You have not given them the building

> blocks.

Glutathione production apparently drops in the elderly just as

growth hormone release drops; it may be related to that, I don't

know. In some people it drops more slowly than in others; these

people live longer on the same historic diet with the same

glutathione precursors, in the same village.

But you're right, even people with reduced natural glutathione

production can improve it by optimizing precursors and generally

optimizing the body by making it more youthful. This is possible

at almost any age.

> DId you know that if you juice (fresh juice) carrots, minimum 6

> glasses a day, that you would raise your glutathione. If you have

> major health issues, try 8 a day. For you guys who don't have an

> outside job out there, get yourself a juicer, do something about your

> health ! LOL (I work 8 hours a day on a job, I juice only on

> week-ends).

The cellular glutathione sparing you're referring to is

accomplished by antioxidant increase and also by reducing free

radical production by changing the dietary oil to more saturated

fat and less (if excessive) omega-6. I don't care much for carrot

juice but other antioxidant-rich juices will work fine, and if

you don't want the carbs that carrots contain you could use a

lower carb antioxidant or a vitamin C tablet.

> Body builders us a protein powder to build muscle mass, no cysteine in

> that.

I think that's more marketing talk; if we compare apples to

apples, ALL undenatured whey protein powders contain glutathione

precursors. I've been instructing readers on how to choose good

undenatured whey powders for at least six years.

> I do not take any meds, not even an aspirin, that was my goal and I

> have achieved it !

I'm glad it's helped you, but you still have osteoporosis so

therefore your own program is incomplete even at $300 per month.

Another thing thast concerns me is that you feel the need for

four packets of Immunicow. That makes me think you probably have

a chronic toxin load, and the biggest source of this kind of

problem is bad bowel bacteria in dysbiosis. Some of the dysbiosis

organisms can be discouraged by components in whey, but dietary

inulin, a fermentable fiber, restores correct bowel ecology and

improves the malabsorption that may be behind your osteoporosis.

Further, osteoporosis responds favourably to increasing growth

hormone levels; I've had the research on it on my website for

years.

Maybe you need to see those savings on a whey product after all

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Duncan you gave a detailed response to H.R.Blais. I always love reading your

posts. What does your web site's subject and what is the address? Thanks again

for your informative explanations.

[Guest guest]

Duncan :

As always, I am extremely impressed with your alternative health and

nutrition knowledge and knew that H. R. Blais was " messing in the nest "

with his comments. However, you did raise an interesting issue with

your response that I'd appreciate your clarifying: I don't juice very

much... it is just too time consuming. However, my ORP meter tells

me that carrot juice is an extremely good natural anti-oxidant.source,

averaging about -250 mv, and I have never seen another natural source

come up to it. Also, Dr. Max Gerson, one of my heroes, used it

extensively and with astounding effect, in his cancer treatment, so my

question is: Why don't you like it?

>I don't care much for carrot juice but other antioxidant-

>rich juices will work fine, and if you don't want the carbs that

carrots contain you could use a lower carb antioxidant or a vitamin C

tablet.

Thanks, Jim

_,_._,___

[Guest guest]

You're welcome Nanette; my website subject is anti-aging and

biological support -- it's easy to find with keywords; Gooogle Duncan

Crow for example.

Duncan

>

> Duncan you gave a detailed response to H.R.Blais. I always love

reading your posts. What does your web site's subject and what is the

address? Thanks again for your informative explanations.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jim, I like vegetables but not carrot juice. It's not a question of

how good for me raw carrot juice is but whether I can approach it in

other ways.

I've never owned a juicer. I have Charlotte Gerson's presentation to

the Cancer Control Society on video but still I don't juice. I do use

whole vegetables, primarily cooked, plus antioxidant supplements,

undenatured whey and selenium.

Have you tried the ORP meter on Megahydrate? It's my father's

favourite.

Duncan

>

> Duncan :

>

> As always, I am extremely impressed with your alternative health

and

> nutrition knowledge and knew that H. R. Blais was " messing in the

nest "

> with his comments. However, you did raise an interesting issue

with

> your response that I'd appreciate your clarifying: I don't juice

very

> much... it is just too time consuming. However, my ORP meter

tells

> me that carrot juice is an extremely good natural anti-

oxidant.source,

> averaging about -250 mv, and I have never seen another natural

source

> come up to it. Also, Dr. Max Gerson, one of my heroes, used it

> extensively and with astounding effect, in his cancer treatment,

so my

> question is: Why don't you like it?

>

> >I don't care much for carrot juice but other antioxidant-

>

> >rich juices will work fine, and if you don't want the carbs that

> carrots contain you could use a lower carb antioxidant or a

vitamin C

> tablet.

>

> Thanks, Jim

>

>

> _,_._,___

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan: You bet!!! I use a lot of MegaHydrate (5 -7 tabs/ day) and it

shows an ORP reading of -900 when I put it in my green tea. However, I

was not considering it as " natural " in this context. Dr. Flanagan may

disagree since he claims that it is essentially the same as glacial

milk. MegaHydrate is the only thing that has ever controlled my

classic migraine. Thanks for asking... I love crowing about it (pun

intended). Tell your Dad what I said. Cheers, Jim

> Jim, I like vegetables but not carrot juice. It's not a question of

> how good for me raw carrot juice is but whether I can approach it in

> other ways.

>

> I've never owned a juicer. I have Charlotte Gerson's presentation to

> the Cancer Control Society on video but still I don't juice. I do use

> whole vegetables, primarily cooked, plus antioxidant supplements,

> undenatured whey and selenium.

>

> Have you tried the ORP meter on Megahydrate? It's my father's

> favourite.

>

> Duncan

>

>

> >

> > Duncan :

> >

> > As always, I am extremely impressed with your alternative health

> and

> > nutrition knowledge and knew that H. R. Blais was " messing in the

> nest "

> > with his comments. However, you did raise an interesting issue

> with

> > your response that I'd appreciate your clarifying: I don't juice

> very

> > much... it is just too time consuming. However, my ORP meter

> tells

> > me that carrot juice is an extremely good natural anti-

> oxidant.source,

> > averaging about -250 mv, and I have never seen another natural

> source

> > come up to it. Also, Dr. Max Gerson, one of my heroes, used it

> > extensively and with astounding effect, in his cancer treatment,

> so my

> > question is: Why don't you like it?

> >

> > >I don't care much for carrot juice but other antioxidant-

> >

> > >rich juices will work fine, and if you don't want the carbs that

> > carrots contain you could use a lower carb antioxidant or a

> vitamin C

> > tablet.

> >

> > Thanks, Jim

> >

> >

> > _,_._,___

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Jim: I thought it was odd that my father said out of all the

supplements, he could feel a difference only when he stopped taking

MegaHydrate; normally you can't relly feel the orthomolecular

treatments that quickly, but I guess it was one of the right ones for

him. Maybe it was instrumental in stopping his fatal autoimmune

disorder; we were doing a lot of things so we'll never know. He's not

taking it any more and he's not depreciating.

Duncan

> > >

> > > Duncan :

> > >

> > > As always, I am extremely impressed with your alternative health

> > and

> > > nutrition knowledge and knew that H. R. Blais was " messing in

the

> > nest "

> > > with his comments. However, you did raise an interesting issue

> > with

> > > your response that I'd appreciate your clarifying: I don't juice

> > very

> > > much... it is just too time consuming. However, my ORP meter

> > tells

> > > me that carrot juice is an extremely good natural anti-

> > oxidant.source,

> > > averaging about -250 mv, and I have never seen another natural

> > source

> > > come up to it. Also, Dr. Max Gerson, one of my heroes, used it

> > > extensively and with astounding effect, in his cancer treatment,

> > so my

> > > question is: Why don't you like it?

> > >

> > > >I don't care much for carrot juice but other antioxidant-

> > >

> > > >rich juices will work fine, and if you don't want the carbs

that

> > > carrots contain you could use a lower carb antioxidant or a

> > vitamin C

> > > tablet.

> > >

> > > Thanks, Jim

> > >

> > >

> > > _,_._,___

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Which autoimmune diseases did your dad have? Congratulations to you

both on his success.

As a side note, I have MegaHydrate sitting my my drawer. I didn't

perceive any benefit from it.

Duncan Crow wrote:

> Jim: I thought it was odd that my father said out of all the

> supplements, he could feel a difference only when he stopped taking

> MegaHydrate; normally you can't relly feel the orthomolecular

> treatments that quickly, but I guess it was one of the right ones for

> him. Maybe it was instrumental in stopping his fatal autoimmune

> disorder; we were doing a lot of things so we'll never know. He's not

> taking it any more and he's not depreciating.

>

> Duncan

> <mailto:Longevity%40>

>

[Guest guest]

Guys what brand of megahydrate, is it Flanigans? Thanks, Jess

Re: Duncan Without Meds . . . .

Jim: I thought it was odd that my father said out of all the

supplements, he could feel a difference only when he stopped taking

MegaHydrate; normally you can't relly feel the orthomolecular

treatments that quickly, but I guess it was one of the right ones for

him. Maybe it was instrumental in stopping his fatal autoimmune

disorder; we were doing a lot of things so we'll never know. He's not

taking it any more and he's not depreciating.

Duncan

> > >

> > > Duncan :

> > >

> > > As always, I am extremely impressed with your alternative health

> > and

> > > nutrition knowledge and knew that H. R. Blais was " messing in

the

> > nest "

> > > with his comments. However, you did raise an interesting issue

> > with

> > > your response that I'd appreciate your clarifying: I don't juice

> > very

> > > much... it is just too time consuming. However, my ORP meter

> > tells

> > > me that carrot juice is an extremely good natural anti-

> > oxidant.source,

> > > averaging about -250 mv, and I have never seen another natural

> > source

> > > come up to it. Also, Dr. Max Gerson, one of my heroes, used it

> > > extensively and with astounding effect, in his cancer treatment,

> > so my

> > > question is: Why don't you like it?

> > >

> > > >I don't care much for carrot juice but other antioxidant-

> > >

> > > >rich juices will work fine, and if you don't want the carbs

that

> > > carrots contain you could use a lower carb antioxidant or a

> > vitamin C

> > > tablet.

> > >

> > > Thanks, Jim

> > >

> > >

> > > _,_._,___

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Mine says Dr. Flanigan on it.

jessie70 wrote:

> Guys what brand of megahydrate, is it Flanigans? Thanks, Jess

> Re: Duncan Without Meds . . . .

>

> Jim: I thought it was odd that my father said out of all the

> supplements, he could feel a difference only when he stopped taking

> MegaHydrate; normally you can't relly feel the orthomolecular

> treatments that quickly, but I guess it was one of the right ones for

> him. Maybe it was instrumental in stopping his fatal autoimmune

> disorder; we were doing a lot of things so we'll never know. He's not

> taking it any more and he's not depreciating.

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

jessie: There is only one brand... yes. A few companies have tried to

duplicate his formulae, but I can attest that they are not it. When I

ued them the migranes came back. Jim

> Guys what brand of megahydrate, is it Flanigans? Thanks, Jess

> Re: Duncan Without Meds . . . .

>

> Jim: I thought it was odd that my father said out of all the

> supplements, he could feel a difference only when he stopped taking

> MegaHydrate; normally you can't relly feel the orthomolecular

> treatments that quickly, but I guess it was one of the right ones for

> him. Maybe it was instrumental in stopping his fatal autoimmune

> disorder; we were doing a lot of things so we'll never know. He's not

> taking it any more and he's not depreciating.

>

> Duncan

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Duncan :

> > > >

> > > > As always, I am extremely impressed with your alternative health

> > > and

> > > > nutrition knowledge and knew that H. R. Blais was " messing in

> the

> > > nest "

> > > > with his comments. However, you did raise an interesting issue

> > > with

> > > > your response that I'd appreciate your clarifying: I don't juice

> > > very

> > > > much... it is just too time consuming. However, my ORP meter

> > > tells

> > > > me that carrot juice is an extremely good natural anti-

> > > oxidant.source,

> > > > averaging about -250 mv, and I have never seen another natural

> > > source

> > > > come up to it. Also, Dr. Max Gerson, one of my heroes, used it

> > > > extensively and with astounding effect, in his cancer treatment,

> > > so my

> > > > question is: Why don't you like it?

> > > >

> > > > >I don't care much for carrot juice but other antioxidant-

> > > >

> > > > >rich juices will work fine, and if you don't want the carbs

> that

> > > > carrots contain you could use a lower carb antioxidant or a

> > > vitamin C

> > > > tablet.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks, Jim

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _,_._,___

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Father originally had osteomyelitis of the leg -- a super-infection

passed by a BC hospital -- and after a year of high-dose

antibiotic he was facing amputation. We cleared it in a few weeks

with electromedicine because I had both O Becker's Body

Electric and Bob Beck's electromedicine HIV protocol out to study at

the time. Meanwhile the wasting was noticed, perhaps triggered by the

abx, and just under 2 years later was diagnosed as inclusion body

myositis, which is fatal in 4 years on average. We stopped it

essentially with my anti-aging protocol, and Father has not been

wasting for 8 years.

Duncan

>

> > Jim: I thought it was odd that my father said out of all the

> > supplements, he could feel a difference only when he stopped

taking

> > MegaHydrate; normally you can't relly feel the orthomolecular

> > treatments that quickly, but I guess it was one of the right ones

for

> > him. Maybe it was instrumental in stopping his fatal autoimmune

> > disorder; we were doing a lot of things so we'll never know. He's

not

> > taking it any more and he's not depreciating.

> >

> > Duncan

> > <mailto:Longevity%40>

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Father originally had osteomyelitis of the leg -- a super-infection

passed by a BC hospital -- and after a year of high-dose

antibiotic he was facing amputation. We cleared it in a few weeks

with electromedicine because I had both O Becker's Body

Electric and Bob Beck's electromedicine HIV protocol out to study at

the time. Meanwhile the wasting was noticed, perhaps triggered by the

abx, and just under 2 years later was diagnosed as inclusion body

myositis, which is fatal in 4 years on average. We stopped it

essentially with my anti-aging protocol, and Father has not been

wasting for 8 years.

Duncan

>

> > Jim: I thought it was odd that my father said out of all the

> > supplements, he could feel a difference only when he stopped

taking

> > MegaHydrate; normally you can't relly feel the orthomolecular

> > treatments that quickly, but I guess it was one of the right ones

for

> > him. Maybe it was instrumental in stopping his fatal autoimmune

> > disorder; we were doing a lot of things so we'll never know. He's

not

> > taking it any more and he's not depreciating.

> >

> > Duncan

> > <mailto:Longevity%40>

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Father originally had osteomyelitis of the leg -- a super-infection

passed by a BC hospital -- and after a year of high-dose

antibiotic he was facing amputation. We cleared it in a few weeks

with electromedicine because I had both O Becker's Body

Electric and Bob Beck's electromedicine HIV protocol out to study at

the time. Meanwhile the wasting was noticed, perhaps triggered by the

abx, and just under 2 years later was diagnosed as inclusion body

myositis, which is fatal in 4 years on average. We stopped it

essentially with my anti-aging protocol, and Father has not been

wasting for 8 years.

Duncan

>

> > Jim: I thought it was odd that my father said out of all the

> > supplements, he could feel a difference only when he stopped

taking

> > MegaHydrate; normally you can't relly feel the orthomolecular

> > treatments that quickly, but I guess it was one of the right ones

for

> > him. Maybe it was instrumental in stopping his fatal autoimmune

> > disorder; we were doing a lot of things so we'll never know. He's

not

> > taking it any more and he's not depreciating.

> >

> > Duncan

> > <mailto:Longevity%40>

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Father originally had osteomyelitis of the leg -- a super-infection

passed by a BC hospital -- and after a year of high-dose

antibiotic he was facing amputation. We cleared it in a few weeks

with electromedicine because I had both O Becker's Body

Electric and Bob Beck's electromedicine HIV protocol out to study at

the time. Meanwhile the wasting was noticed, perhaps triggered by the

abx, and just under 2 years later was diagnosed as inclusion body

myositis, which is fatal in 4 years on average. We stopped it

essentially with my anti-aging protocol, and Father has not been

wasting for 8 years.

Duncan

>

> > Jim: I thought it was odd that my father said out of all the

> > supplements, he could feel a difference only when he stopped

taking

> > MegaHydrate; normally you can't relly feel the orthomolecular

> > treatments that quickly, but I guess it was one of the right ones

for

> > him. Maybe it was instrumental in stopping his fatal autoimmune

> > disorder; we were doing a lot of things so we'll never know. He's

not

> > taking it any more and he's not depreciating.

> >

> > Duncan

> > <mailto:Longevity%40>

> >

>

>

>