Re: Teacher accused of having a student buy marijuana for her

[Guest guest]

Well this is pretty dumb. There is no evidence that marijuana helps mold

victims, is there?

Oh yeah, and teachers should not encourage their students to buy pot.

Sharon

In a message dated 3/12/2006 6:22:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,

tigerpaw2c@... writes:

Teacher accused of having a student buy marijuana for her

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=4619792 & nav=4QcS

Burlington,VT

NEW PALTZ, N.Y. An elementary school teacher and girls' tennis coach

in New Paltz is accused of getting a 14-year-old student to get

marijuana for her.

Thirty-eight-year-old teacher admits it was a " stupid "

thing to do. But she says she did it out of desperation because she

was in so much pain from an immune disorder related to mold exposure

in school.

According to Gardiner Town Court records, gave the teenager 25-

dollars to buy marijuana for her. The girl bought the pot and took

it to school wrapped as a present. Another student discovered it and

reported it to school authorities.

was charged with a misdemeanor of endangering the welfare of a

child. The case has been adjourned to April 6th.

resigned from her teaching job. She says she never expects to

teach again because of the case and her illness.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/12/2006 8:10:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,

knightshotter@... writes:

Furthermore , involving kids in purchasing something that is illegal

(whether or not one believes that it should be illegal) is the part that is

dumb.

Yes, I know. It was meant to be a sarcastic statement.

But back to the pot for pain part. I know pot can be used to help with

pain, but as it is so mold ridden, I always thought it was not good for mold

victims. Is that a wrong assumptions?

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Well I will chime in to say that marijuana has been used and continues to be

used by people to help deal with chronic pain of one sort or another and it

has helped me in the past.

I think the article wasn't real clear on these issues or why she was taking

it. Furthermore , involving kids in purchasing something that is illegal

(whether or not one believes that it should be illegal) is the part that is

dumb.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of snk1955@...

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 10:20 AM

Subject: Re: [] Teacher accused of having a student buy

marijuana for her

Well this is pretty dumb. There is no evidence that marijuana helps mold

victims, is there?

Oh yeah, and teachers should not encourage their students to buy pot.

Sharon

In a message dated 3/12/2006 6:22:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,

tigerpaw2c@... writes:

Teacher accused of having a student buy marijuana for her

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=4619792

<http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=4619792 & nav=4QcS> & nav=4QcS

Burlington,VT

NEW PALTZ, N.Y. An elementary school teacher and girls' tennis coach

in New Paltz is accused of getting a 14-year-old student to get

marijuana for her.

Thirty-eight-year-old teacher admits it was a " stupid "

thing to do. But she says she did it out of desperation because she

was in so much pain from an immune disorder related to mold exposure

in school.

According to Gardiner Town Court records, gave the teenager 25-

dollars to buy marijuana for her. The girl bought the pot and took

it to school wrapped as a present. Another student discovered it and

reported it to school authorities.

was charged with a misdemeanor of endangering the welfare of a

child. The case has been adjourned to April 6th.

resigned from her teaching job. She says she never expects to

teach again because of the case and her illness.

[Guest guest]

I agree with you wholeheartedly Sharon. The teacher should have used

better judgement. The main reason why I posted this, it just goes to

show the extent many have had to take just to get out of pain. Not

realizing at the same time that obviously she was not thinking

clearly. The pain was overriding better judgement. I can remember

those days from the severe headpain Sharon had been in so many times

and all I could do was rub her back as she was on the floor holding

her head, not even able to cry, screaming out in pain. I was hurt, I

was angry at the world and I was trying to think of anything to help

her ease the pain. My kids were also, they wanted to do something.

They even considered the same thing as this teacher had, so did I.

Sharon refused and I also then had read information on how much mold

is in pot. I'll never forget those days the turmoil that this family

was in. The looks on my kids faces, just not knowing what was

causing this.

Just rehashing these thoughts about those days in the beginning is

clouding my eyes and raising my b/p. Just out of sheer desperation.

This was also about the time I felt, as a parent, as difficult as it

was to prepare my kids for the worse. It was not an easy thing and

Sharon was not aware of this. Those were also the days where each

one of us had our time, that we would spend alone. There was alot of

deep thinking going on at that time because we really didn't know

which end was up. I guess you could say we were preparing ourselves

in our own way.

We couldn't get anybody to pay attention and it seemed like nobody

cared and this was before support groups were popular and there was

no where to turn.

I guess the truly sorry part of this whole scenario, not only with

me but everyone on this group and who knows how many others are out

there that are still unaware, that this all could have been

prevented if the American citizens were informed and educated

properly. Anyone that believes that they are in their right mind and

has the authority to do just that, to prevent this from continuing

and are doing nothing, must be the most evil indiviudal(s) on this

planet. There must be a special place for these individuals in hell.

Because the pain and suffering continues and has not even slowed. As

a matter of fact these same authorities continue to cause undue pain

and suffering to the indviduals along the gulf states and everywhere

else. How in the hell do they justify this?

I have made several offers to professionals that could stop this in

their tracks, to get the medical institutions involved, the media

and anyone else that was interested to go stay in one of these moldy

environments together. Meaning me also. To prove to the country what

these toxins are more than capable of doing. I am more than willing

to take action to prevent this from happening to one more

unsuspecting child or individual even though I am fully aware of the

consequences. I didn't get any takers on this. They were afraid

to, " oh I don't want to do that, you could come down with HP. " But I

guess it's ok if everybody else does, huh?!!

Come on Ms.Judy Gerberding step up to the plate. Stop it now before

anymore lives are lost. America is crying, America is dying. Stop

turning a deaf ear or a blind eye. Your title and credentials that

you have earned or where bestowed upon you, use them for the meaning

that they were given. To protect. You know, CAUSE NO HARM.....

KC

>

>

> Well this is pretty dumb. There is no evidence that marijuana

helps mold

> victims, is there?

>

> Oh yeah, and teachers should not encourage their students to buy

pot.

>

> Sharon

>

> In a message dated 3/12/2006 6:22:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> tigerpaw2c@... writes:

>

> Teacher accused of having a student buy marijuana for her

>

> http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=4619792 & nav=4QcS

> Burlington,VT

>

> NEW PALTZ, N.Y. An elementary school teacher and girls' tennis

coach

> in New Paltz is accused of getting a 14-year-old student to get

> marijuana for her.

>

> Thirty-eight-year-old teacher admits it was

a " stupid "

> thing to do. But she says she did it out of desperation because

she

> was in so much pain from an immune disorder related to mold

exposure

> in school.

>

> According to Gardiner Town Court records, gave the teenager

25-

> dollars to buy marijuana for her. The girl bought the pot and

took

> it to school wrapped as a present. Another student discovered it

and

> reported it to school authorities.

>

> was charged with a misdemeanor of endangering the welfare

of a

> child. The case has been adjourned to April 6th.

>

> resigned from her teaching job. She says she never expects

to

> teach again because of the case and her illness.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would not be surprised if mold exposure/toxicity was one of the

major factors driving drug use/abuse in this country. (which one would

then have to look at as self-medication)

After all, we know that mycotoxins can cause depression, ADD/ADHD-like

symptoms caused by low neurotransmitters, etc.

Think about it...

[Guest guest]

Without going into detail, there would be ways that one could legally (in a

state where you had and could get a license) grow it in your own home and

then be careful in the way it was harvested and stored to avoid it not being

properly aired and processed but this would be no different an issue than if

I am growing my own culinary or medicinal herbs for example and then dried

them improperly introducing a mold issue as well...

Your assumption is 100% correct although let's just say could probably be

addressed given having total control over harvest and manufacture of the

product. I don't personally do any of this so can't and won't comment but

friends in certain Oregon communities do have these licenses and I have

discussed at length with them concerns re growing the product organically

and properly harvesting it and storing it so have some minor knowledge of

the topic.

But I will say that marijuana does help in certain situations with chronic

pain and other symptoms related to illnesses that some of us who have been

chemically injured or injured from mold have had to deal with.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of snk1955@...

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 11:40 AM

Subject: Re: [] Teacher accused of having a student buy

marijuana for her

In a message dated 3/12/2006 8:10:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,

knightshotter@... writes:

Furthermore , involving kids in purchasing something that is illegal

(whether or not one believes that it should be illegal) is the part that

is

dumb.

Yes, I know. It was meant to be a sarcastic statement.

But back to the pot for pain part. I know pot can be used to help with

pain, but as it is so mold ridden, I always thought it was not good for

mold

victims. Is that a wrong assumptions?

Sharon

[Guest guest]

I think you were misunderstanding me.. I was trying to say that

mycotoxin exposure seems to create a lot of neurotransmitter-related

issues that some people might try to address by taking illegal drugs,

like the fatigue, and the inability to sleep soundly both might drive

different kinds of illegal drug usage, for example.

Depression could also.

Those symptoms also cause people to lose their jobs (and, in the US,

this usually means losing health insurance)

Poor people are also exposed to a lot more moldy buildings than rich

people.. and they have less access to mainstream health care.

Prisons are also filled with people who were arrested for drug-related

crimes, continuing the vicious circle.

[Guest guest]

Its not just mold.. Toxic substances in the environment - of all

kinds, make the lives of poor people ten to fifteen years shorter, on

the average, than those of the well-to-do.

And lets not forget the need of people, whatever their income, to feel

a sense of self-worth, especially in their teens-30s when the

reproductive impulse is strong.

If jobs are not available to people, they will try to find an

alternative hierarchy in which they can prove themselves. (Lets face

it, the 20th century style 'job' is disappearing, with the low skilled

jobs disappearing first.)

The underground economy fulfills that need for many..unfortunately..

[Guest guest]

>>On Behalf Of LiveSimply

I think you were misunderstanding me.. I was trying to say that

mycotoxin exposure seems to create a lot of neurotransmitter-related

issues that some people might try to address by taking illegal drugs,

like the fatigue, and the inability to sleep soundly both might drive

different kinds of illegal drug usage, for example.>>

I disagree. I've worked with many people with horrific physical pains and

they are not looking to obtain illegal drugs. This is like saying an

alcoholic is not responsible for his illegal actions because the alcohol

caused him to do it. I'm sorry, let's put the blame where it belongs. Sure

they are desperate for relief---I've had horrible physical and neurological

pains in the past just as K.C. described his wife has experienced but I

didn't look for illegal drugs either and I certainly would not have used a

small child to commit a crime for me. I pray I never will.

>>Depression could also.>>

When I became ill from toxic mold exposure I had severe depression--and I

mean severe where I wanted to die and often planned how to kill myself. I'm

serious. Unless someone has experienced this kind of black depression they

cannot comprehend. I didn't kill myself, I'm still here and I'm functioning

well; have my good and bad days as any normal person, my ups and downs but

not the dark depression as in those days. I basically enjoy life, my " new

life " which is my challenge and I love helping others. Neither did I hurt

anyone during this time...I still had enough reserve in me to know what I

was doing and it is not right for anyone---including myself--to hurt someone

else. When I was very ill I'd warn my husband via email that I'm grumpy and

please don't take it personal---it wasn't his fault. So yes we still have

choices even at the worst of times. I've had cancer, surgery, lost 4

babies, have Lupus, toxic mold induced illness, MCS so I understand severe

pain both physical and emotional,

Those symptoms also cause people to lose their jobs (and, in the US,

this usually means losing health insurance)

Poor people are also exposed to a lot more moldy buildings than rich

people.. and they have less access to mainstream health care.

Prisons are also filled with people who were arrested for drug-related

crimes, continuing the vicious circle.

FAIR USE NOTICE:

[Guest guest]

it can defenitly cause abbsesive and complusive disorders, I agree,

and some very desperate fellings exspecially went you are not

gettting medical treatment, and what this lady did was not right, but

it sounds like she wasn't thinking very clearly and was haveing a

desperate need for something to help her pain. I am not going to make

a judgement on her, I thought I had compleately lost my mind when I

first got out of the mold and so did some others, it has tooken a

while for this part of me to get better, and the anger and stress of

knowing I went through all of this because of someone elses greed,

bit me hard. I contemplated hurting someone, and thats not me. and I

also considered suicide many times while in the mold and for a while

after being out. I think some of us got a good dose of how this

effects your mood, and I would not be supprized one bit if it was

found that this is contributing to crime, traffic accidents,

exc.

--- In

, " healthier4all " <Healthier4All@...>

wrote:

>

> >>On Behalf Of LiveSimply

> I think you were misunderstanding me.. I was trying to say that

> mycotoxin exposure seems to create a lot of neurotransmitter-related

> issues that some people might try to address by taking illegal

drugs,

> like the fatigue, and the inability to sleep soundly both might

drive

> different kinds of illegal drug usage, for example.>>

>

> I disagree. I've worked with many people with horrific physical

pains and

> they are not looking to obtain illegal drugs. This is like saying

an

> alcoholic is not responsible for his illegal actions because the

alcohol

> caused him to do it. I'm sorry, let's put the blame where it

belongs. Sure

> they are desperate for relief---I've had horrible physical and

neurological

> pains in the past just as K.C. described his wife has experienced

but I

> didn't look for illegal drugs either and I certainly would not have

used a

> small child to commit a crime for me. I pray I never will.

>

> >>Depression could also.>>

>

> When I became ill from toxic mold exposure I had severe depression--

and I

> mean severe where I wanted to die and often planned how to kill

myself. I'm

> serious. Unless someone has experienced this kind of black

depression they

> cannot comprehend. I didn't kill myself, I'm still here and I'm

functioning

> well; have my good and bad days as any normal person, my ups and

downs but

> not the dark depression as in those days. I basically enjoy life,

my " new

> life " which is my challenge and I love helping others. Neither

did I hurt

> anyone during this time...I still had enough reserve in me to know

what I

> was doing and it is not right for anyone---including myself--to

hurt someone

> else. When I was very ill I'd warn my husband via email that I'm

grumpy and

> please don't take it personal---it wasn't his fault. So yes we

still have

> choices even at the worst of times. I've had cancer, surgery,

lost 4

> babies, have Lupus, toxic mold induced illness, MCS so I understand

severe

> pain both physical and emotional,

>

> Those symptoms also cause people to lose their jobs (and, in the US,

> this usually means losing health insurance)

>

> Poor people are also exposed to a lot more moldy buildings than rich

> people.. and they have less access to mainstream health care.

>

> Prisons are also filled with people who were arrested for drug-

related

> crimes, continuing the vicious circle.

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think that both of you need to go back and read what I said.. Please

stop trying to put words in my mouth..

I think that teacher made a huge mistake.. And I IN NO WAY are trying

to accuse people suffering from any disease or situation of 'trying to

obtain illegal drugs'.

I was just speculating on the causes of drug abuse, from a

neurochemical perspective, and trying to draw a parallel between the

known effects of environmental toxins, the situation where children's

brains are plastic as they grow.. and the results in the greater

society..

THATS ALL..

Sorry if that disasppoints you..

[Guest guest]

Actually, I think I overreacted.. now I'm sorry..

Just thought that you might be interested.. there is a new theory of

depression that posits that depression might be caused by the brains

inability to generate new cells to permanently imprint the knowledge

we acquire that helps us integrate new experiences into our lives.. So

yes, mycotoxins could conceivably cause that kind of depression. And

yes, I also have experienced that myself..

Look up 'neurogenesis theory of depression'

[Guest guest]

who me?, I agree that she wasnt thinking to smart when she asked a

kid to get this for her, that was very wrong, but I can also see

where she obiously wasnt thinking very good, and haveing experienced

some problems with not makeing good desisions myself I can see were

she may of not had the ability to clearly think about what she was

doing. I have no problems with your posts, Im sorry if you took it

that

way.

>

> I think that both of you need to go back and read what I said..

Please

> stop trying to put words in my mouth..

>

> I think that teacher made a huge mistake.. And I IN NO WAY are

trying

> to accuse people suffering from any disease or situation of 'trying

to

> obtain illegal drugs'.

>

> I was just speculating on the causes of drug abuse, from a

> neurochemical perspective, and trying to draw a parallel between the

> known effects of environmental toxins, the situation where

children's

> brains are plastic as they grow.. and the results in the greater

> society..

>

> THATS ALL..

>

> Sorry if that disasppoints you..

>

[Guest guest]

wow, the last sentence in this article speaks valumes, sence this is

a old article, IM wondering if they did any research sence on the role

of environmental factors involved.http://www.post-

gazette.com/healthscience/20021028braincellssci2p2.asp

>

> Actually, I think I overreacted.. now I'm sorry..

>

> Just thought that you might be interested.. there is a new theory of

> depression that posits that depression might be caused by the brains

> inability to generate new cells to permanently imprint the knowledge

> we acquire that helps us integrate new experiences into our lives.. So

> yes, mycotoxins could conceivably cause that kind of depression. And

> yes, I also have experienced that myself..

>

> Look up 'neurogenesis theory of depression'

>