Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Thanks, . But I do think this is a good thing. My son is definitely sharper after his 'illness'. His handwriting is better too. One great news is that my son who has developmental delay never yelled or called out names loud. Now, he is calling me 'mommy' from the other room. I am SO happy. Thanks for all your help Jay carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: Sorry you are having thes reactions Jay-after over a year of use- I have never had any bad reactions-except maybe the staining of my teeth- now I try and brush after use > > Hi all, > > My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks on CSM, he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a mild fever. He wasn't exposed to ANY virus as far as I know, so I thought this must have been due to the CSM pulling the toxins, but Dr.S's staff told me it was not related to CSM. Then after about 4 days, he got better and stools are much better too. Since he has never had this kind of illness except when it all started with his severe vomiting and gagging and diarrhea several years ago. > > Anyway, I started CSM about a week ago and I am having severe watery diarrhea and nausea but no fever. I really think it is due to the CSM pulling toxins but don't know for sure. Again, this kind of illness is unusual for me too. I wanted to see if anyone had similar experience with CSM. > > Thanks so much > Jay > > > --------------------------------- > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 HI Jay, I also had 2 children that were on CSM, along with myself. The kids to quit taking it as they became very sick on it. Under further investigation we found out they had severe stomach disorders, which was causing the problems and would not allow their bodies to ingest it. The only way were able to find the problem was to have a CAT scan done on them. I would suggest if this does keep up with your son that you make sure there is no under lying problem. [] Re: A Question on CSM >I had serious vomiting problem with CSM and had to stop. I told Dr > Shoemaker I was stopping due to vomiting. I told him I might try it > again later but haven't tried to go on it again yet. I'm not sure I > will. I'm taking another route for now. > > >> >> Hi all, >> >> My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks > on CSM, he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a > mild fever. > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 >>On Behalf Of carondeen Stomach bloating up is most likly candida overgrowth do to mold exposure- you need to start treating yourself if you want to get better- get a perscription for CSM and practice avoidence of mold- the candida will be helped immensly if you stay on Shoemakers no amlose diet. I don't think you need another " specialist " - who probably does not know anything to get better- you need to do the work youself. > Hi . Stomach bloating can be caused by more than just Candida. Such as food intolerances and some rather serious. Take a look at: http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/abdominal_swelling.htm The amlose diet is good, however the candida (if we have it) also needs to be killed and the bowel replenished with friendly bacteria. We all have some candida in our intestines; it's only a problem when there is an overgrowth and we must kill and replenish the friendly, good bacteria. Question what does someone do if they cannot find a local M.D. to prescribe the CSM? Rosie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Hi , Thanks for sharing your experience. My son has had gut issues for a long time and he has been on GFCFYFSFCF (you name it) diet, SCD diet, for several years with very little effect. I know he will be worse if he goes on a regular diet (by this I mean good healthy normal organic foods and he has never had junk food in his life ). He has been on tons of several kinds of probiotics, digestive enzymes, goat's yogurt (in the past) and supplements and what not. We even did a scope of his colon and ileum. From our experience, we have always felt that bacterial toxins were causing most of his gut issues (we used to think it was clostridial, but now we know he has more serious bacteria ), so we have come a long way in recognizing what's happening to his gut when we give him something. Since he is much better after his recent illness (which could have still been due to a virus) and is tolerating his CSM, we will continue with it. I really believe that most gut issues are due to dysbiosis and or toxins and this will slowly lead to food sensitivities and allergies. Many parasites are linked to food allergies too. Jay <eaglestone@...> wrote: HI Jay, I also had 2 children that were on CSM, along with myself. The kids to quit taking it as they became very sick on it. Under further investigation we found out they had severe stomach disorders, which was causing the problems and would not allow their bodies to ingest it. The only way were able to find the problem was to have a CAT scan done on them. I would suggest if this does keep up with your son that you make sure there is no under lying problem. [] Re: A Question on CSM >I had serious vomiting problem with CSM and had to stop. I told Dr > Shoemaker I was stopping due to vomiting. I told him I might try it > again later but haven't tried to go on it again yet. I'm not sure I > will. I'm taking another route for now. > > >> >> Hi all, >> >> My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks > on CSM, he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a > mild fever. > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Jay, I hope everything works out for your son. Hopefully he will get better. It is just awful when your children are sick and you can't seem to put your finger on it. Good Luck [] Re: A Question on CSM > > >>I had serious vomiting problem with CSM and had to stop. I told Dr >> Shoemaker I was stopping due to vomiting. I told him I might try it >> again later but haven't tried to go on it again yet. I'm not sure I >> will. I'm taking another route for now. >> >> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks >> on CSM, he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a >> mild fever. >> >> >> >> >> >> FAIR USE NOTICE: >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Thanks, . It is worse when doctors have no clue and it's all up to you to figure it all out Goodluck to you and your family too. take care Jay <blackmold@...> wrote: Jay, I hope everything works out for your son. Hopefully he will get better. It is just awful when your children are sick and you can't seem to put your finger on it. Good Luck [] Re: A Question on CSM > > >>I had serious vomiting problem with CSM and had to stop. I told Dr >> Shoemaker I was stopping due to vomiting. I told him I might try it >> again later but haven't tried to go on it again yet. I'm not sure I >> will. I'm taking another route for now. >> >> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks >> on CSM, he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a >> mild fever. >> >> >> >> >> >> FAIR USE NOTICE: >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 >>>-On Behalf Of tigerpaw2c For those who can't find a doctor to prescibe CSM, not that this is a one size fits all medication, but it obviously it does help, you have to find something to rebuild your immune system and to remove some of these toxins. For any doctors that refuse to prescibe CSM I would inform them documented information would help, that this has been used for many years to remove all types of toxins in animals and humans. It's not like it is an addictive drug or a barbituate so I really don't under what the problem is. It sounds more like a personal opinion on something that they are not aware of. Just my two cents. You have to start somewhere and I do understand about finances being tight. Your health and life depends on it. KC>>>> Thank you K.C. I agree with you, we have to start somewhere and yes there are many M.D's who will not prescribe the CSM because they are unfamiliar with it and with toxic mold illness as they are with MCS. I'm wondering if someone on this group could supply those who do not have access to trained and open M.D.'s dealing with toxic mold illness some online literature about CSM which they could print out for their local physicians to perhaps convince them to write a prescription? Course I'd love if every M.D. in this country would read Drs. Shoemaker and Schaller books, however that's not a reality. Just my petals of thoughts, Rosie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Being as how CSM was used for high colesteral I supose I would be sceptic of doctors who never heard of it, but I am sure it is true. Where are you from that you cannot find a doctor that uses this type of protocal? I am curious, I have found myself that they are out there but are hard to find. The one I found actually works for a plastic surgeon group. I never would have known. If you are from Houston there are some there, I almost came there first. My sister and Uncle live there. Just curious... Chris... healthier4all <Healthier4All@...> wrote: >>>-On Behalf Of tigerpaw2c For those who can't find a doctor to prescibe CSM, not that this is a one size fits all medication, but it obviously it does help, you have to find something to rebuild your immune system and to remove some of these toxins. For any doctors that refuse to prescibe CSM I would inform them documented information would help, that this has been used for many years to remove all types of toxins in animals and humans. It's not like it is an addictive drug or a barbituate so I really don't under what the problem is. It sounds more like a personal opinion on something that they are not aware of. Just my two cents. You have to start somewhere and I do understand about finances being tight. Your health and life depends on it. KC>>>> Thank you K.C. I agree with you, we have to start somewhere and yes there are many M.D's who will not prescribe the CSM because they are unfamiliar with it and with toxic mold illness as they are with MCS. I'm wondering if someone on this group could supply those who do not have access to trained and open M.D.'s dealing with toxic mold illness some online literature about CSM which they could print out for their local physicians to perhaps convince them to write a prescription? Course I'd love if every M.D. in this country would read Drs. Shoemaker and Schaller books, however that's not a reality. Just my petals of thoughts, Rosie FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 I have been on similar GFCFYFSFCF and also address some 26 other foods that I tested intolerant to from the immunosciences IgG testing. It is not easy to keep to this diet but makes me feel better to do so. I do tolerate some amounts of goat dairy products and sometimes sheep (pecorino) but in general, consume these just a few times per week. I also eat daily large doses of raw sauerkraut products www.rejunventative.com <http://www.rejunventative.com/> products as well My gut issues are more fixed than ever. I have been on CSM now since beg of Jan. I had hit some total remission and amazing results on my VCS testing but suddenly am having some minor (or not minor) exacerbations of numbness in face and along chest similar to where I have had the trigeminal neuralgia in past plus some weakness in my legs. I have diagnosed MS on top of all that although believe that my MS is chronic mycotoxins or mold toxin mediated effect. There was a time when my endless diarrhea made it useless I thought to pursue any supplements. Today, I do the CSM but also add for past year have added in larger doses of vita C, vita E, omega E, b complex, zinc, and more recently ALA, NAC, milk thistle, vita D and others. I have very high C4a levels in the 20,000 region past 3 years, very low MSH (8), normal leptin and high levels of Sed rate, cRP and other serum levels indicating inflammation process.. Anyway.life continues. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of jay krishnaa Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [] Re: A Question on CSM Hi , Thanks for sharing your experience. My son has had gut issues for a long time and he has been on GFCFYFSFCF (you name it) diet, SCD diet, for several years with very little effect. I know he will be worse if he goes on a regular diet (by this I mean good healthy normal organic foods and he has never had junk food in his life ). He has been on tons of several kinds of probiotics, digestive enzymes, goat's yogurt (in the past) and supplements and what not. We even did a scope of his colon and ileum. From our experience, we have always felt that bacterial toxins were causing most of his gut issues (we used to think it was clostridial, but now we know he has more serious bacteria ), so we have come a long way in recognizing what's happening to his gut when we give him something. Since he is much better after his recent illness (which could have still been due to a virus) and is tolerating his CSM, we will continue with it. I really believe that most gut issues are due to dysbiosis and or toxins and this will slowly lead to food sensitivities and allergies. Many parasites are linked to food allergies too. Jay <eaglestone@...> wrote: HI Jay, I also had 2 children that were on CSM, along with myself. The kids to quit taking it as they became very sick on it. Under further investigation we found out they had severe stomach disorders, which was causing the problems and would not allow their bodies to ingest it. The only way were able to find the problem was to have a CAT scan done on them. I would suggest if this does keep up with your son that you make sure there is no under lying problem. [] Re: A Question on CSM >I had serious vomiting problem with CSM and had to stop. I told Dr > Shoemaker I was stopping due to vomiting. I told him I might try it > again later but haven't tried to go on it again yet. I'm not sure I > will. I'm taking another route for now. > > >> >> Hi all, >> >> My son started CSM almost 4 weeks ago but after about 2 1/2 weeks > on CSM, he suddenly developed severe vomiting, watery diarrhea and a > mild fever. > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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