Chiros.

[Guest guest]

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's Dr.'s told me that with sitting up and walking etc.

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I was saying...gravity can make the curve progress. This is why the Rvad is so important to know.

Also about Chiro's...I have been to them for myself and have spoken to my old Chiro about and he told me he would NEVER adjust a baby. I was referred to this Chiro by my orthopedic surgeon who is actually the Ortho for the pro surfers in So, California. So...my point is that I have an Awesome Dr. who referred me to this Chiro (he must be good) and he told me he would not touch .

...I am sure this girl didn't know what her Cobb or Rvad were, and she may very well had had the type of Scoliosis that was self correcting. I have never heard of any child cured by a Chiro but I have heard of 150 that were cured by casting. I also know a few that are just about straight.

I hope I am not going off but I get crazy when I think of a Chiro adjusting a baby.

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You are right Beth, it's gravity.

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Beth,

I never said I was offended first of all and second of all I never said I was angry!

You are completely entitled to your opinion as I am mine, and I will continue to support casting since the name of our group is called casts not chiros!

Your daughter is a totally different child then mine, has idiopathic Infantile Scoliosis. I know NOTHING about 's condition. So...I was actually speaking to S. about the woman that was "cured" from a chiro.

You are entitled to take your daughter anywhere you please but I really don't want a new parent clicking on casts and think we are promoting Chiro's here.

Enough Said.

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Hi Everyone,

I was talking to another mom yesterday at Cams soccer game about his

back, and she mentioned that she had had infantile scoliosis. Hers

was caused by her hips being dislocated at birth and then popped back

in. Anyway, she said she never had surgery(she couldn't remember

what her curve was, just that it was definately a S shape.) She said

her parents instead took her to a chiropractor. She said it helped

and was able to avoid surgery. Her back is still curved but not as

bad. She has some pain every once in a while but thats it.

I just thought it was interesting, and wanted to share!

S.

[Guest guest]

I didn't post the info. to upset everyone. Her back didn't staighten

all the way, but is better. It sounds like Beths little girl is

doing better for it, also. What works for one may not work for

another. I'v never been to a chiro. but have tried some of thier

stuff at home. When I worked for a dentist he showed me some ear

massage tecniques for draining the ears and redusing pain.

He had a chiro. patient show him when his daughter was getting ready

to have tubes put in. It worked for her, his brothers baby and

Cameron(the ped. said there was no way it would work) It hasn't

worked for Dylan, but my point is, different kids different results.

Also, everyone told H. that by casting and not doing surgery

she was killing her. Now they know better. Who knows orthos. may

recommmend chiros. in the future.

I hope no one is upset, I truly believe in casting, but would never

rule anything out.

S.--

- In infantile scoliosis treatment , cristab@a... wrote:

>

>

> I was saying...gravity can make the curve progress. This is why

the Rvad is

> so important to know.

> Also about Chiro's...I have been to them for myself and have spoken

to my old

> Chiro about and he told me he would NEVER adjust a baby.

I was

> referred to this Chiro by my orthopedic surgeon who is actually the

Ortho for the

> pro surfers in So, California. So...my point is that I have an

Awesome Dr.

> who referred me to this Chiro (he must be good) and he told me he

would not

> touch .

> ...I am sure this girl didn't know what her Cobb or Rvad

were, and she

> may very well had had the type of Scoliosis that was self

correcting. I have

> never heard of any child cured by a Chiro but I have heard of 150

that were

> cured by casting. I also know a few that are just about straight.

> I hope I am not going off but I get crazy when I think of a Chiro

adjusting a

> baby.

[Guest guest]

--Beth,

I started taken Evan to a Chiro back in October who I believe went

to Palmer and he didn't recommend any kind of manipulation on a

baby. He felt Evan had mid-brain wind-up and proposed a non-invasive

brain based treatment to balance his system. Evan is NO LONGER

receiving Chiropractic care and was recently casted by Dr.D'Astous

in SLC. I am so glad I found C.A.S.T and looked into casting for

Evan when bracing and chiropractic failed us. I am very pleased with

the correction he got in his first cast and can't wait to see what

we get in his 2nd cast on June 10th. Evan also was being braced 2o

hrs. a day with a Boston brace and ton Bending at night.

Both of these braces recommended by Children's Hospital Boston

proved to be INEFFECTIVE in haulting his curve. Evan's curve was at

36 degrees and in his bending brace it was holding at 24 degrees.

They were only able to get a 12 degree correction from a brace that

should over correct his curve. Dr. D'Astous was able to get 40%

CORRECTION in just one cast.

- In infantile scoliosis treatment , " heathersprigg "

<heathersprigg@y...> wrote:

> I didn't post the info. to upset everyone. Her back didn't

staighten

> all the way, but is better. It sounds like Beths little girl is

> doing better for it, also. What works for one may not work for

> another. I'v never been to a chiro. but have tried some of thier

> stuff at home. When I worked for a dentist he showed me some ear

> massage tecniques for draining the ears and redusing pain.

> He had a chiro. patient show him when his daughter was getting

ready

> to have tubes put in. It worked for her, his brothers baby and

> Cameron(the ped. said there was no way it would work) It hasn't

> worked for Dylan, but my point is, different kids different

results.

> Also, everyone told H. that by casting and not doing

surgery

> she was killing her. Now they know better. Who knows orthos. may

> recommmend chiros. in the future.

>

> I hope no one is upset, I truly believe in casting, but would

never

> rule anything out.

>

> S.--

>

>

> - In infantile scoliosis treatment , cristab@a... wrote:

> >

> >

> > I was saying...gravity can make the curve progress. This is why

> the Rvad is

> > so important to know.

> > Also about Chiro's...I have been to them for myself and have

spoken

> to my old

> > Chiro about and he told me he would NEVER adjust a

baby.

> I was

> > referred to this Chiro by my orthopedic surgeon who is actually

the

> Ortho for the

> > pro surfers in So, California. So...my point is that I have an

> Awesome Dr.

> > who referred me to this Chiro (he must be good) and he told me

he

> would not

> > touch .

> > ...I am sure this girl didn't know what her Cobb or Rvad

> were, and she

> > may very well had had the type of Scoliosis that was self

> correcting. I have

> > never heard of any child cured by a Chiro but I have heard of

150

> that were

> > cured by casting. I also know a few that are just about

straight.

> > I hope I am not going off but I get crazy when I think of a

Chiro

> adjusting a

> > baby.

[Guest guest]

S.,

Beth,

and anyone else who has an infant w/ structural scoliosis,

I can almost guarantee that this mom has her own diagnosis wrong.

It may be a possible that she had non progressive infantile scoliosis like Crista mentioned...But not progressive infantile scoliosis.

I cant tell you how many people I have come across that have told me the same thing. "I had infantile scoliosis." (funny they didnt even mention infantile until I said it, then all of a sudden they used to have it, too!) and now they're fine.( yeah right...)

Interesting but not believable from where I stand.

Oh, I also took my infant to a chiro. She said she specialized in scoliosis...what a joke that turned out to be. She completely took advantage of my desperation and vulnerability,( like quacks do), and the only thing she ever did was charge me money. I allowed her to touch Olivia once, and I mean touch, not crack....It was obvious she hadent a clue, so I never went back...She kept calling though, to reschedule follow up appts so she could squeeze more $ out of me...

Anyway, our experience doesnt mean a thing...

WHAT IS IMPORTANT , is that new moms on the list who may have an undiagnosed infant with congenital do NOT think this is safe.

There are many infants with scoli who havent even gotten the proper diagnosis yet. As we all know, it takes a while...mri's, cat scans, etc. to rule out congenital. I met a mom who had a boy with congenital (syrinx's) that werent even diagnosed until he was six...I dont think it would have been wise for him to see a chiro...

All congenital cases are different..Some congenital infants have spiny malformations, and tumors in between their vertebrae...If these infants are seen by a chiro you can imagine what the consequences might be.

Thats why we dont promote chiro work on this list..

We can go on all day about chiros, but I prefer we didnt...Not on this list anyway.

Congenital/infantile scoli is a completely different ballgame. This is not adolescent or adult scoli. These babes are underdeveloped, and some parents arent even sure of what type of scoli their child has.

Chiros shouldnt touch infants w/ structural scoliosis.

Cranial sacral is a different story. Very gentle, and in many cases effective, but will never straighten a curve.

Nothing will straghten a structural curve.

Please refrain from suggesting chiro care.

In the future, if ISOP starts seeing positive,safe, results for NON STRUCTURAL scoliosis (and not just temporarily)...I'll be the 1st one to start a chiro/infant group, but until then I cannot and will not promote chiro care..no matter where they were taught.

Orthopaedic pediatric spinal surgeons admit that structural scoli is one of the most difficult conditions to treat in the orthopaedic world, and they go to school for a decade. Chiros have no education on the underdeveloped bones/central nervous system of an infant w/ structural scoliosis.

HRH