Re: Faith on God leads to long life.

[Guest guest]

I don't trust this study.

1) It seems to me that many folks lean more religious with age.

Investing in faith to hedge bets.

2) I'd like to see a study to show that those who died younger did NOT

have faith.

3) I've heard from wealthy people who believe they are wealthy because

of their faith in God (!)

4) Suicide bombers claim strong faith, but their faith leads to a

shorter life.

Jagannath Chatterjee wrote:

> Want to make it to 100? You've got to have faith Survey: Very old say

> spirituality, hard work, good diet source of long life

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14287980/

> <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14287980/>

> BOSTON - Faith and spirituality were cited most often by people over

> the age of 100 as the source of their longevity, according to a survey

> sponsored by a unit of UnitedHealth Group.

> In a survey of 100 people between the ages of 100 and 104, 23 percent

> said faith rather than genes and good medical care were responsible

> for their long life.

> Other factors given included hard work, a healthy diet and " living a

> good, clean life. "

>

> " Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the

> conquest

>

[Guest guest]

To me, this study is more believable.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/health/280846_religion11.html

Religion could help your recovery

Latest research finds spiritual patients fare better psychologically

By LEE BOWMAN

SCRIPPS HOWARD NEWS SERVICE

Faith-based, positive religious beliefs can protect psychological

well-being during a stressful experience like heart surgery through

enhanced hope and stronger perception of having social support,

according to a study presented Thursday.

[Guest guest]

:

I think that the poll was monotheistic and therefore God , rather than pan.

Brown wrote:

>Hi:

>I often wonder how does one reconcile these beliefs (from one

>religious long-lived person to the next) in any god concept -

>between religions and denominations when these gods could be in

>conflict with each other? Are all gods or versions of god able to

>bestow long life on their minions? T

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>

>

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[Guest guest]

If you cannot trust those who have lived long and have offered

explanations, there is nothing to say. This is not a study but a

record of what the elderly have to say about their long lives.

A healthy person is endowed with patience, faith, the tendency to

live a healthy life and avoid vices, and also enjoys good sleep,

peace of mind, good appetite, good elimination, good skin, good nails

and hair, the ability to work hard, good memory, good eyesight, a

good personality, ability to laugh, ability to forgive, and the

ability to avoid criticising others and tolerating the criticism of

others.

All these come to a healthy person naturally, he does not have to try

very hard to attain the state.

All these are alien to us today, therefore I decided to recall them.

Regards,

Jagannath.

>

> I don't trust this study.

> 1) It seems to me that many folks lean more religious with age.

> Investing in faith to hedge bets.

> 2) I'd like to see a study to show that those who died younger did

NOT

> have faith.

> 3) I've heard from wealthy people who believe they are wealthy

because

> of their faith in God (!)

> 4) Suicide bombers claim strong faith, but their faith leads to a

> shorter life.

[Guest guest]

It all depends on peace or the lack of it, which makes you strive for

it. The trick is to convert knowledge into wisdom by practicing it.

Knowledge when practiced reveals its true face, good or bad. Wisdom

makes us aware of the result and thus discriminate.

In our search for affluence we have lost our peace. Wealth and peace

rarely coexist. We have to decide what is enough and use our spare

time for creative and useful work.

I have had my brush with death. It has helped me separate the grain

from the chaff. I know now that I need to know what lies on the other

side for that was the lone thought that troubled me when I was in

that state. All the rest was immaterial. Of course I was anguished

for many choices in my life, even for seemingly innocent acts. I

spontaneously experienced repentance.

I have faith in God now and am at peace with myself. I have also

gained the ability to see beneath the surface. I give more weight to

long term goals than short term achievements. God does not reveal

himself directly therefore the need for faith.

When you are on God's side many of your worries and tensions

dissolve. You suffer from less stress. You may or may not achieve a

long live, but you will certainly lead a fruitful life. Maybe you

will be satisfied and in a better position to face death.

In the end it is all that matters, believe me.

Jagannath.

>

> I agree with . However, assuming that this is really an

objective

> study,

> I offer the following:

>

> I must accept a " God " due to direct personal. experience.

> However, this faith thing is very different, since without

> an actual experiential base, as I see it, faith is basically blind

hope.

> Taking this a step further, I have trouble seeing how hope,

> in itself, could make anyone well.. Rather, I would think,

> its more about overall attitude from which the hope

> (or faith) would be an extension.

>

> One of the problems with the above stems from the definitions.

> Some use the word 'faith' to mean 'religion'. Most religions

> are socially based with spirituality being a very minor extension

> of the social concerns. For instance, the 10 Commandments

> are concerned with keeping a human society together. Religions

direct

> little discussion as how Moses actually got his message, which may

be a

> spiritual issue. Commonly, Moses is explained as having a magical

> experience where a tablet appeared in a fire ball. I have no idea

how

> or what actually happened, but I do not accept such naive

explanations.

>

> In the spirit of 's comments, when " real " studies are done,

> the people doing them would do well to lay down the basic ground

> rules before making any determinations.

[Guest guest]

It all depends on peace or the lack of it, which makes you strive for

it. The trick is to convert knowledge into wisdom by practicing it.

Knowledge when practiced reveals its true face, good or bad. Wisdom

makes us aware of the result and thus discriminate.

In our search for affluence we have lost our peace. Wealth and peace

rarely coexist. We have to decide what is enough and use our spare

time for creative and useful work.

I have had my brush with death. It has helped me separate the grain

from the chaff. I know now that I need to know what lies on the other

side for that was the lone thought that troubled me when I was in

that state. All the rest was immaterial. Of course I was anguished

for many choices in my life, even for seemingly innocent acts. I

spontaneously experienced repentance.

I have faith in God now and am at peace with myself. I have also

gained the ability to see beneath the surface. I give more weight to

long term goals than short term achievements. God does not reveal

himself directly therefore the need for faith.

When you are on God's side many of your worries and tensions

dissolve. You suffer from less stress. You may or may not achieve a

long live, but you will certainly lead a fruitful life. Maybe you

will be satisfied and in a better position to face death.

In the end it is all that matters, believe me.

Jagannath.

>

> I agree with . However, assuming that this is really an

objective

> study,

> I offer the following:

>

> I must accept a " God " due to direct personal. experience.

> However, this faith thing is very different, since without

> an actual experiential base, as I see it, faith is basically blind

hope.

> Taking this a step further, I have trouble seeing how hope,

> in itself, could make anyone well.. Rather, I would think,

> its more about overall attitude from which the hope

> (or faith) would be an extension.

>

> One of the problems with the above stems from the definitions.

> Some use the word 'faith' to mean 'religion'. Most religions

> are socially based with spirituality being a very minor extension

> of the social concerns. For instance, the 10 Commandments

> are concerned with keeping a human society together. Religions

direct

> little discussion as how Moses actually got his message, which may

be a

> spiritual issue. Commonly, Moses is explained as having a magical

> experience where a tablet appeared in a fire ball. I have no idea

how

> or what actually happened, but I do not accept such naive

explanations.

>

> In the spirit of 's comments, when " real " studies are done,

> the people doing them would do well to lay down the basic ground

> rules before making any determinations.

[Guest guest]

Some people may agree with this illusion spinner/spammer despite

evidence to the contrary, because they are blinded by dogma and faith,

it takes strength of will and honesty to break out of and stay free of

the insidious, self-deception, meme concept called faith. The behaviour

of these people is bizarre, however they are blind to their vice, I feel

pity for their diseased minds and sadness at the harm they cause to society.

Real longevity requires rational discipline, freedom, proactive

education, action and limited or no use of drugs, not stagnating faith.

I say ignore this troll and his groupies, they are a lost cause, then

maybe we can have time for constructive discussions

Apricot85 wrote:

> I don't trust this study.

> 1) It seems to me that many folks lean more religious with age.

> Investing in faith to hedge bets.

> 2) I'd like to see a study to show that those who died younger did NOT

> have faith.

> 3) I've heard from wealthy people who believe they are wealthy because

> of their faith in God (!)

> 4) Suicide bombers claim strong faith, but their faith leads to a

> shorter life.

>

[Guest guest]

What do you intend to do with your long life that your attitude and

practices, you say, will culminate into?

Jagannath.

>

>

> Some people may agree with this illusion spinner/spammer despite

> evidence to the contrary, because they are blinded by dogma and

faith,

> it takes strength of will and honesty to break out of and stay free

of

> the insidious, self-deception, meme concept called faith. The

behaviour

> of these people is bizarre, however they are blind to their vice, I

feel

> pity for their diseased minds and sadness at the harm they cause to

society.

>

> Real longevity requires rational discipline, freedom, proactive

> education, action and limited or no use of drugs, not stagnating

faith.

>

> I say ignore this troll and his groupies, they are a lost cause,

then

> maybe we can have time for constructive discussions

[Guest guest]

I also think the article is so much bullshit. About 23% of

centenarians might guess that faith had something to do with

their longevity, but the majority of people of faith don't see

100 summers.

Meanwhile, research has revealed that ALL centenarians posess

unusually high levels of the master antioxidant glutathione. The

research has been on PubMed for several years.

Duncan

> Faith on God leads to long life.

> Posted by: " Jagannath Chatterjee " jagchat01@... jagchat01

> Date: Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:12 am (PDT)

>

> Want to make it to 100? You've got to have faith Survey: Very old

> say spirituality, hard work, good diet source of long life

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14287980/ BOSTON - Faith and

> spirituality were cited most often by people over the age of 100 as

> the source of their longevity, according to a survey sponsored by a

> unit of UnitedHealth Group.

[Guest guest]

On Friday 11 August 2006 8:11 am, Jagannath Chatterjee wrote:

> Want to make it to 100? You've got to have faith ...

Keeping a dog does the same thing.

--

Steve - dudescholar2@...

" When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never

tried before. "

--Mae West

[Guest guest]

:

I wasn't referring to polytheism, which would also be another

interesting point, since millions of humans have believed so. Do you

really think that a Muslim from Tehran and a Catholic from Boston

have the same meaning and concept for god? I'd wager that even two

people of the same church or temple or whatever their holy shrines

are called, if asked independently to define and describe god would

give you wildly different versions and definitions. Is it that guy I

saw on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel with the white beard? Is it

a he? On the Sistine chapel ceiling, 'his' genitals are

covered. Why does a so-called omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal being

need to have genitalia or to be identified by gender at all? I know,

and I've heard millions of different answers to these and any number

of other questions about this concept, god, I'm not asking for an

answer. By using plural, I am referring to this fact that 'god' is a

term that is so different in meaning between the multitudes of

monotheistic believers as to be nearly meaningless.

At 12:38 PM 8/11/2006, you wrote:

>:

>I think that the poll was monotheistic and therefore God , rather than pan.

>

>

>

> Brown wrote:

>

> >Hi:

> >I often wonder how does one reconcile these beliefs (from one

> >religious long-lived person to the next) in any god concept -

> >between religions and denominations when these gods could be in

> >conflict with each other? Are all gods or versions of god able to

> >bestow long life on their minions? T

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Religious " terrorists believe they are on God's side. Yet they also

seem to have many worries and tensions as they attempt to disrupt

society with some form of death and destruction. I suppose they also

think of that as leading a fruitful life, though. Somehow I think they

are rather rudely surprised after they die. Too late then for them to

know the truth.

Best regards,

Celeste

Jagannath wrote:

> When you are on God's side many of your worries and tensions

> dissolve. You suffer from less stress. You may or may not achieve a

> long live, but you will certainly lead a fruitful life. Maybe you

> will be satisfied and in a better position to face death.

[Guest guest]

Faith-religion-spirituality

is about quality of life, not quantity in years.

Carol