Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Hi: Plexiglass is a clear plastic that is used in place of glass. It doesn't break as easily, and most forms of it block UV more than glass does. You can now get both glass and Plexiglass that passes UV or other types that block UV. I mention this because Ott used it and mentioned it in his book, written in the 1970's. Yes and even though many American Indians that lived long showed major signs of wrinkling from solar exposure, it seems that few had melanomas. I wonder if that is really true? So much of this information is testimonial and hearsay in nature that it totally lacks scientific validity. This information is useful and may indicate how things work, but because no two humans are the same, the lack of consistent data on a number of people and the lack of careful, impartial or double blind monitoring of the reported information, not to mention the total lack of statistical significance because of these and other factors, it is prudent to treat this information with great care. Ott's information was at least very carefully gathered and his technical background lends credence to his observations that sunlight can cure diseases of the eyes. I'd love to see some controlled studies on the subject. The mainstream allopaths are so convinced that UV only does damage in any quantity that it is unlikely that they will do such a study. A study or series of studies would let us know how much exposure is necessary for healing various types of ailments, how much exposure is dangerous, how long after a dangerous exposure before a palliative exposure is indicated etc etc. A question I would ask is " Would additional controlled exposure to natural sunlight or simulated natural sunlight have cured my pterygium? " My gut tells me no, but I could be wrong. At 05:07 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: >: > >Plexiglas? > >I have an 80 year old friend who has the eyes of a 30 yr old. He looks >directly into the sun to dilate his eyes every day that the sun is >shinning... works for him. > >Many others now claim that sunlight cures skin cancer and sun screen >causes it... Dr. Mercola is one. One observation is that melanomas >most often occur in the middle of the back and bottoms of feet where the >sun never generally goes. There is also the argument that Vit D is a >deterrent to many cancers and the observation that dark skinned people >get less of it from sunlight and thus show negative effects in terms of >certain cancers and other diseases. > >Jim > >Brown wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I read a book a number of years ago > > > " <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>h\ ttp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>He\ alth > > > > > and Light " by Ott, the person who did Disney's time-lapse > > pictures of fruit ripening and flowers blooming. They tried putting > > fruit into Plexiglass boxes so that they wouldn't move as they > > ripened and they just got bigger but never changed color to ripen > > because they were shielded from the UV. They had to get a special > > glass that passed UV for the fruit and flowers to blossom or > > ripen. He later got eye problems and remembering his experience with > > time-lapse and plants, used it to heal his eyes with natural > > sunlight. Too much can cause problems too, in my opinion. Dr > > , an herbalist with whom I studied, claims to have cured > > skin cancer with sunlight. > > > > I have a bad experience. I had a pterygium - a red, vascular growth > > on the surface of my eye caused by excessive exposure to the sun. Of > > course, maybe it was because I stopped going out in the sun, but I > > doubt it. I lived on the beach and went out to the beach > > everyday. My skin has sun damage too, partly corrected by good > > moisturizers. I had the pterygium surgically removed so that I could > > wear contact lenses. > > > > Moderation anyone? > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > > > >I concur on the dark berries but not on the jams. I know almost zilch > > about > > >eye exercises. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that UV is a negative > > >but that lack of UV may be a negative. I'm not aware that hunter gather > > >peoples who spend a lot of time in the sun ever had problems with > > either skin > > >cancer or eye sight. > > > > > >My 3 cents. > > > > > >-- > > > > > >Steve - > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > " It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. " > > >--Voltaire > > > > > >On Monday 04 September 2006 11:46 am, Dave Narby wrote: > > > > 728hz Works for me. > > > > > > > > AFA your eyesight is concerned, you might try bilberry and other dark > > > > berry extracts and jams. If focusing is the problem, eye exercises > > > > work. I also wear UV blockers whenever I go outside. > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > & Dave: > > > > > > > > > > is correct.. I had to go back to Tom Valone's book... you guys > > > > > were messing with my mind. My Gingko Biloba was not kicking in. The > > > > > actual number that Tom Valone posted in his book is 728 Hz.. > > > > > > > > > > I could still hear 20 to 20,000 Hz when I checked my hearing at > > age 60 > > > > > and I don't think that it has fallen since. The Dr. that checked it > > > > > was amazed... he recalibrated his instrument just to make sure. > > I only > > > > > wish my vision were still as good. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > No, middle C in the center of the piano keyboard is 440 Hz and a > > > > > > healthy young person can hear from about 20Hz to about 20 KHz and > > > > > > dogs can hear to 45 KHz > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 MHz is more like it, almost near the 800 MHz cell phone > > band, but > > > > > > it is doubtful that it is a fixed or simple sine wave from a brief > > > > > > scan of the literature it is a series of modulated RF pulses. > > Maybe > > > > > > the 700 Hz has something to do with the way it is modulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:58 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > >It wouldn't... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't 700hz be > > > > > > > > > > sub-sonic? > > > > > > > > > > > >It might be a decimal point error. 700mhz seems like it would be > > > > > > > closer to the right frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 Hz?? Wow, that wavelength is about 428 kilometers in the > > > > > > > > electromagnetic spectrum and about 40 cm (a little over a > > foot) in > > > > > > > > the sonic wave in water (human body) domain. How would a > > 428 Km > > > > > > > > wavelength resonate in the human body? All the machines > > that I saw > > > > > > > > were running on 27 MHz (citizen's band) frequencies - ~11 > > meters). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the U-Tube link? I'd love to watch it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:59 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >De. Tom Valone discusses this in his book, > > " Bioelectromagnetic > > > > > > > > >Healing. " I am not finished reading it, but so far, its a > > very > > > > > > > > >interesting read. Maybe I'll have an answer once it > > finish it. > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >have you watched the Rife documentary in U Tube? He claimed > > > > > > > > > > that each > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cell type and each microorganism has a frequency that > > blows it > > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the video even shows it happening in one segment. > > Finally, > > > > > > > > > > Valone > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mentions a universal healing frequency at 700+ Hz for humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. For example, why is this RF good and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other EMI/RFI bad? Resonance is potentially dangerous, > > it is > > > > > > > > > > how microwaves heat food. Why would this resonance > > kill bad > > > > > > > > > > stuff and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not good stuff, like the brain cells that I'm fond of > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while longer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 : In the 70' s when passive solar design was in its heyday, the report was that acrylic (Plexiglas) and polycarbonate (Lexan) had virtually no UV filtering ability, hence fabrics tended to fade badly when it was used as a glazing choice. I never actually observed that myself even though I designed several houses that were nearly 100% solar heated and couple of those examples utilized acrylic glazing systems. Regards, Jim Brown wrote: > Hi: > > Plexiglass is a clear plastic that is used in place of glass. It > doesn't break as easily, and most forms of it block UV more than > glass does. You can now get both glass and Plexiglass that passes UV > or other types that block UV. I mention this because Ott used > it and mentioned it in his book, written in the 1970's. > > Yes and even though many American Indians that lived long showed > major signs of wrinkling from solar exposure, it seems that few had > melanomas. I wonder if that is really true? > > So much of this information is testimonial and hearsay in nature that > it totally lacks scientific validity. This information is useful and > may indicate how things work, but because no two humans are the same, > the lack of consistent data on a number of people and the lack of > careful, impartial or double blind monitoring of the reported > information, not to mention the total lack of statistical > significance because of these and other factors, it is prudent to > treat this information with great care. Ott's information was > at least very carefully gathered and his technical background lends > credence to his observations that sunlight can cure diseases of the eyes. > > I'd love to see some controlled studies on the subject. The > mainstream allopaths are so convinced that UV only does damage in any > quantity that it is unlikely that they will do such a study. A study > or series of studies would let us know how much exposure is necessary > for healing various types of ailments, how much exposure is > dangerous, how long after a dangerous exposure before a palliative > exposure is indicated etc etc. > > A question I would ask is " Would additional controlled exposure to > natural sunlight or simulated natural sunlight have cured my > pterygium? " My gut tells me no, but I could be wrong. > > > > At 05:07 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > >: > > > >Plexiglas? > > > >I have an 80 year old friend who has the eyes of a 30 yr old. He looks > >directly into the sun to dilate his eyes every day that the sun is > >shinning... works for him. > > > >Many others now claim that sunlight cures skin cancer and sun screen > >causes it... Dr. Mercola is one. One observation is that melanomas > >most often occur in the middle of the back and bottoms of feet where the > >sun never generally goes. There is also the argument that Vit D is a > >deterrent to many cancers and the observation that dark skinned people > >get less of it from sunlight and thus show negative effects in terms of > >certain cancers and other diseases. > > > >Jim > > > >Brown wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I read a book a number of years ago > > > > > > " <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>ht\ tp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>>H\ ealth > > > > > > > > > and Light " by Ott, the person who did Disney's time-lapse > > > pictures of fruit ripening and flowers blooming. They tried putting > > > fruit into Plexiglass boxes so that they wouldn't move as they > > > ripened and they just got bigger but never changed color to ripen > > > because they were shielded from the UV. They had to get a special > > > glass that passed UV for the fruit and flowers to blossom or > > > ripen. He later got eye problems and remembering his experience with > > > time-lapse and plants, used it to heal his eyes with natural > > > sunlight. Too much can cause problems too, in my opinion. Dr > > > , an herbalist with whom I studied, claims to have cured > > > skin cancer with sunlight. > > > > > > I have a bad experience. I had a pterygium - a red, vascular growth > > > on the surface of my eye caused by excessive exposure to the sun. Of > > > course, maybe it was because I stopped going out in the sun, but I > > > doubt it. I lived on the beach and went out to the beach > > > everyday. My skin has sun damage too, partly corrected by good > > > moisturizers. I had the pterygium surgically removed so that I could > > > wear contact lenses. > > > > > > Moderation anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > >I concur on the dark berries but not on the jams. I know almost zilch > > > about > > > >eye exercises. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that UV is a > negative > > > >but that lack of UV may be a negative. I'm not aware that hunter > gather > > > >peoples who spend a lot of time in the sun ever had problems with > > > either skin > > > >cancer or eye sight. > > > > > > > >My 3 cents. > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > >Steve - > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > > > " It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. " > > > >--Voltaire > > > > > > > >On Monday 04 September 2006 11:46 am, Dave Narby wrote: > > > > > 728hz Works for me. > > > > > > > > > > AFA your eyesight is concerned, you might try bilberry and > other dark > > > > > berry extracts and jams. If focusing is the problem, eye exercises > > > > > work. I also wear UV blockers whenever I go outside. > > > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > & Dave: > > > > > > > > > > > > is correct.. I had to go back to Tom Valone's book... > you guys > > > > > > were messing with my mind. My Gingko Biloba was not kicking > in. The > > > > > > actual number that Tom Valone posted in his book is 728 Hz.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I could still hear 20 to 20,000 Hz when I checked my hearing at > > > age 60 > > > > > > and I don't think that it has fallen since. The Dr. that > checked it > > > > > > was amazed... he recalibrated his instrument just to make sure. > > > I only > > > > > > wish my vision were still as good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > No, middle C in the center of the piano keyboard is 440 Hz > and a > > > > > > > healthy young person can hear from about 20Hz to about 20 > KHz and > > > > > > > dogs can hear to 45 KHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 MHz is more like it, almost near the 800 MHz cell phone > > > band, but > > > > > > > it is doubtful that it is a fixed or simple sine wave from > a brief > > > > > > > scan of the literature it is a series of modulated RF pulses. > > > Maybe > > > > > > > the 700 Hz has something to do with the way it is modulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:58 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > >It wouldn't... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't 700hz be > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sonic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It might be a decimal point error. 700mhz seems like it > would be > > > > > > > > closer to the right frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 Hz?? Wow, that wavelength is about 428 kilometers > in the > > > > > > > > > electromagnetic spectrum and about 40 cm (a little over a > > > foot) in > > > > > > > > > the sonic wave in water (human body) domain. How would a > > > 428 Km > > > > > > > > > wavelength resonate in the human body? All the machines > > > that I saw > > > > > > > > > were running on 27 MHz (citizen's band) frequencies - ~11 > > > meters). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the U-Tube link? I'd love to watch it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:59 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >De. Tom Valone discusses this in his book, > > > " Bioelectromagnetic > > > > > > > > > >Healing. " I am not finished reading it, but so far, its a > > > very > > > > > > > > > >interesting read. Maybe I'll have an answer once it > > > finish it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >have you watched the Rife documentary in U Tube? He > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > that each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cell type and each microorganism has a frequency that > > > blows it > > > > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the video even shows it happening in one segment. > > > Finally, > > > > > > > > > > > > Valone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mentions a universal healing frequency at 700+ Hz for > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. For example, why is this RF good and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other EMI/RFI bad? Resonance is potentially dangerous, > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > how microwaves heat food. Why would this resonance > > > kill bad > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not good stuff, like the brain cells that I'm fond of > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while longer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Different races will have different responses to the sun depending on how they evolved. White people should be judicious in their sun exposure, Ask anyone of Irish descent if they are more sensitive to sunlight! White people probably evolved that way so they could metabolize vitamin D more effectively. Black people probably evolved that way because they needed better defense of the sun. Everybody else is probably somewhere in the middle. Brown wrote: > > Hi: > > Plexiglass is a clear plastic that is used in place of glass. It > doesn't break as easily, and most forms of it block UV more than > glass does. You can now get both glass and Plexiglass that passes UV > or other types that block UV. I mention this because Ott used > it and mentioned it in his book, written in the 1970's. > > Yes and even though many American Indians that lived long showed > major signs of wrinkling from solar exposure, it seems that few had > melanomas. I wonder if that is really true? > > So much of this information is testimonial and hearsay in nature that > it totally lacks scientific validity. This information is useful and > may indicate how things work, but because no two humans are the same, > the lack of consistent data on a number of people and the lack of > careful, impartial or double blind monitoring of the reported > information, not to mention the total lack of statistical > significance because of these and other factors, it is prudent to > treat this information with great care. Ott's information was > at least very carefully gathered and his technical background lends > credence to his observations that sunlight can cure diseases of the eyes. > > I'd love to see some controlled studies on the subject. The > mainstream allopaths are so convinced that UV only does damage in any > quantity that it is unlikely that they will do such a study. A study > or series of studies would let us know how much exposure is necessary > for healing various types of ailments, how much exposure is > dangerous, how long after a dangerous exposure before a palliative > exposure is indicated etc etc. > > A question I would ask is " Would additional controlled exposure to > natural sunlight or simulated natural sunlight have cured my > pterygium? " My gut tells me no, but I could be wrong. > > > > At 05:07 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > >: > > > >Plexiglas? > > > >I have an 80 year old friend who has the eyes of a 30 yr old. He looks > >directly into the sun to dilate his eyes every day that the sun is > >shinning... works for him. > > > >Many others now claim that sunlight cures skin cancer and sun screen > >causes it... Dr. Mercola is one. One observation is that melanomas > >most often occur in the middle of the back and bottoms of feet where the > >sun never generally goes. There is also the argument that Vit D is a > >deterrent to many cancers and the observation that dark skinned people > >get less of it from sunlight and thus show negative effects in terms of > >certain cancers and other diseases. > > > >Jim > > > >Brown wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I read a book a number of years ago > > > > > > " <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>ht\ tp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>>H\ ealth > > > > > > > > > and Light " by Ott, the person who did Disney's time-lapse > > > pictures of fruit ripening and flowers blooming. They tried putting > > > fruit into Plexiglass boxes so that they wouldn't move as they > > > ripened and they just got bigger but never changed color to ripen > > > because they were shielded from the UV. They had to get a special > > > glass that passed UV for the fruit and flowers to blossom or > > > ripen. He later got eye problems and remembering his experience with > > > time-lapse and plants, used it to heal his eyes with natural > > > sunlight. Too much can cause problems too, in my opinion. Dr > > > , an herbalist with whom I studied, claims to have cured > > > skin cancer with sunlight. > > > > > > I have a bad experience. I had a pterygium - a red, vascular growth > > > on the surface of my eye caused by excessive exposure to the sun. Of > > > course, maybe it was because I stopped going out in the sun, but I > > > doubt it. I lived on the beach and went out to the beach > > > everyday. My skin has sun damage too, partly corrected by good > > > moisturizers. I had the pterygium surgically removed so that I could > > > wear contact lenses. > > > > > > Moderation anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > >I concur on the dark berries but not on the jams. I know almost zilch > > > about > > > >eye exercises. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that UV is a > negative > > > >but that lack of UV may be a negative. I'm not aware that hunter > gather > > > >peoples who spend a lot of time in the sun ever had problems with > > > either skin > > > >cancer or eye sight. > > > > > > > >My 3 cents. > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > >Steve - > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > > > " It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. " > > > >--Voltaire > > > > > > > >On Monday 04 September 2006 11:46 am, Dave Narby wrote: > > > > > 728hz Works for me. > > > > > > > > > > AFA your eyesight is concerned, you might try bilberry and > other dark > > > > > berry extracts and jams. If focusing is the problem, eye exercises > > > > > work. I also wear UV blockers whenever I go outside. > > > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > & Dave: > > > > > > > > > > > > is correct.. I had to go back to Tom Valone's book... > you guys > > > > > > were messing with my mind. My Gingko Biloba was not kicking > in. The > > > > > > actual number that Tom Valone posted in his book is 728 Hz.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I could still hear 20 to 20,000 Hz when I checked my hearing at > > > age 60 > > > > > > and I don't think that it has fallen since. The Dr. that > checked it > > > > > > was amazed... he recalibrated his instrument just to make sure. > > > I only > > > > > > wish my vision were still as good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > No, middle C in the center of the piano keyboard is 440 Hz > and a > > > > > > > healthy young person can hear from about 20Hz to about 20 > KHz and > > > > > > > dogs can hear to 45 KHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 MHz is more like it, almost near the 800 MHz cell phone > > > band, but > > > > > > > it is doubtful that it is a fixed or simple sine wave from > a brief > > > > > > > scan of the literature it is a series of modulated RF pulses. > > > Maybe > > > > > > > the 700 Hz has something to do with the way it is modulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:58 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > >It wouldn't... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't 700hz be > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sonic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It might be a decimal point error. 700mhz seems like it > would be > > > > > > > > closer to the right frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 Hz?? Wow, that wavelength is about 428 kilometers > in the > > > > > > > > > electromagnetic spectrum and about 40 cm (a little over a > > > foot) in > > > > > > > > > the sonic wave in water (human body) domain. How would a > > > 428 Km > > > > > > > > > wavelength resonate in the human body? All the machines > > > that I saw > > > > > > > > > were running on 27 MHz (citizen's band) frequencies - ~11 > > > meters). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the U-Tube link? I'd love to watch it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:59 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >De. Tom Valone discusses this in his book, > > > " Bioelectromagnetic > > > > > > > > > >Healing. " I am not finished reading it, but so far, its a > > > very > > > > > > > > > >interesting read. Maybe I'll have an answer once it > > > finish it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >have you watched the Rife documentary in U Tube? He > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > that each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cell type and each microorganism has a frequency that > > > blows it > > > > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the video even shows it happening in one segment. > > > Finally, > > > > > > > > > > > > Valone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mentions a universal healing frequency at 700+ Hz for > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. For example, why is this RF good and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other EMI/RFI bad? Resonance is potentially dangerous, > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > how microwaves heat food. Why would this resonance > > > kill bad > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not good stuff, like the brain cells that I'm fond of > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while longer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Different races will have different responses to the sun depending on how they evolved. White people should be judicious in their sun exposure, Ask anyone of Irish descent if they are more sensitive to sunlight! White people probably evolved that way so they could metabolize vitamin D more effectively. Black people probably evolved that way because they needed better defense of the sun. Everybody else is probably somewhere in the middle. Brown wrote: > > Hi: > > Plexiglass is a clear plastic that is used in place of glass. It > doesn't break as easily, and most forms of it block UV more than > glass does. You can now get both glass and Plexiglass that passes UV > or other types that block UV. I mention this because Ott used > it and mentioned it in his book, written in the 1970's. > > Yes and even though many American Indians that lived long showed > major signs of wrinkling from solar exposure, it seems that few had > melanomas. I wonder if that is really true? > > So much of this information is testimonial and hearsay in nature that > it totally lacks scientific validity. This information is useful and > may indicate how things work, but because no two humans are the same, > the lack of consistent data on a number of people and the lack of > careful, impartial or double blind monitoring of the reported > information, not to mention the total lack of statistical > significance because of these and other factors, it is prudent to > treat this information with great care. Ott's information was > at least very carefully gathered and his technical background lends > credence to his observations that sunlight can cure diseases of the eyes. > > I'd love to see some controlled studies on the subject. The > mainstream allopaths are so convinced that UV only does damage in any > quantity that it is unlikely that they will do such a study. A study > or series of studies would let us know how much exposure is necessary > for healing various types of ailments, how much exposure is > dangerous, how long after a dangerous exposure before a palliative > exposure is indicated etc etc. > > A question I would ask is " Would additional controlled exposure to > natural sunlight or simulated natural sunlight have cured my > pterygium? " My gut tells me no, but I could be wrong. > > > > At 05:07 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > >: > > > >Plexiglas? > > > >I have an 80 year old friend who has the eyes of a 30 yr old. He looks > >directly into the sun to dilate his eyes every day that the sun is > >shinning... works for him. > > > >Many others now claim that sunlight cures skin cancer and sun screen > >causes it... Dr. Mercola is one. One observation is that melanomas > >most often occur in the middle of the back and bottoms of feet where the > >sun never generally goes. There is also the argument that Vit D is a > >deterrent to many cancers and the observation that dark skinned people > >get less of it from sunlight and thus show negative effects in terms of > >certain cancers and other diseases. > > > >Jim > > > >Brown wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I read a book a number of years ago > > > > > > " <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>ht\ tp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>>H\ ealth > > > > > > > > > and Light " by Ott, the person who did Disney's time-lapse > > > pictures of fruit ripening and flowers blooming. They tried putting > > > fruit into Plexiglass boxes so that they wouldn't move as they > > > ripened and they just got bigger but never changed color to ripen > > > because they were shielded from the UV. They had to get a special > > > glass that passed UV for the fruit and flowers to blossom or > > > ripen. He later got eye problems and remembering his experience with > > > time-lapse and plants, used it to heal his eyes with natural > > > sunlight. Too much can cause problems too, in my opinion. Dr > > > , an herbalist with whom I studied, claims to have cured > > > skin cancer with sunlight. > > > > > > I have a bad experience. I had a pterygium - a red, vascular growth > > > on the surface of my eye caused by excessive exposure to the sun. Of > > > course, maybe it was because I stopped going out in the sun, but I > > > doubt it. I lived on the beach and went out to the beach > > > everyday. My skin has sun damage too, partly corrected by good > > > moisturizers. I had the pterygium surgically removed so that I could > > > wear contact lenses. > > > > > > Moderation anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > >I concur on the dark berries but not on the jams. I know almost zilch > > > about > > > >eye exercises. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that UV is a > negative > > > >but that lack of UV may be a negative. I'm not aware that hunter > gather > > > >peoples who spend a lot of time in the sun ever had problems with > > > either skin > > > >cancer or eye sight. > > > > > > > >My 3 cents. > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > >Steve - > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > > > " It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. " > > > >--Voltaire > > > > > > > >On Monday 04 September 2006 11:46 am, Dave Narby wrote: > > > > > 728hz Works for me. > > > > > > > > > > AFA your eyesight is concerned, you might try bilberry and > other dark > > > > > berry extracts and jams. If focusing is the problem, eye exercises > > > > > work. I also wear UV blockers whenever I go outside. > > > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > & Dave: > > > > > > > > > > > > is correct.. I had to go back to Tom Valone's book... > you guys > > > > > > were messing with my mind. My Gingko Biloba was not kicking > in. The > > > > > > actual number that Tom Valone posted in his book is 728 Hz.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I could still hear 20 to 20,000 Hz when I checked my hearing at > > > age 60 > > > > > > and I don't think that it has fallen since. The Dr. that > checked it > > > > > > was amazed... he recalibrated his instrument just to make sure. > > > I only > > > > > > wish my vision were still as good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > No, middle C in the center of the piano keyboard is 440 Hz > and a > > > > > > > healthy young person can hear from about 20Hz to about 20 > KHz and > > > > > > > dogs can hear to 45 KHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 MHz is more like it, almost near the 800 MHz cell phone > > > band, but > > > > > > > it is doubtful that it is a fixed or simple sine wave from > a brief > > > > > > > scan of the literature it is a series of modulated RF pulses. > > > Maybe > > > > > > > the 700 Hz has something to do with the way it is modulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:58 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > >It wouldn't... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't 700hz be > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sonic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It might be a decimal point error. 700mhz seems like it > would be > > > > > > > > closer to the right frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 Hz?? Wow, that wavelength is about 428 kilometers > in the > > > > > > > > > electromagnetic spectrum and about 40 cm (a little over a > > > foot) in > > > > > > > > > the sonic wave in water (human body) domain. How would a > > > 428 Km > > > > > > > > > wavelength resonate in the human body? All the machines > > > that I saw > > > > > > > > > were running on 27 MHz (citizen's band) frequencies - ~11 > > > meters). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the U-Tube link? I'd love to watch it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:59 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >De. Tom Valone discusses this in his book, > > > " Bioelectromagnetic > > > > > > > > > >Healing. " I am not finished reading it, but so far, its a > > > very > > > > > > > > > >interesting read. Maybe I'll have an answer once it > > > finish it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >have you watched the Rife documentary in U Tube? He > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > that each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cell type and each microorganism has a frequency that > > > blows it > > > > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the video even shows it happening in one segment. > > > Finally, > > > > > > > > > > > > Valone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mentions a universal healing frequency at 700+ Hz for > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. For example, why is this RF good and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other EMI/RFI bad? Resonance is potentially dangerous, > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > how microwaves heat food. Why would this resonance > > > kill bad > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not good stuff, like the brain cells that I'm fond of > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while longer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 I have several angles I used to look at some of these issues and the UV question calls for at least " the profit motive " angle. No one is going to make a profit on trying sell sun glasses that " lets the UV in " or in selling eye glass coatings that " lets the UV in " or in selling sunscreen that " lets the UV in " . I see commercials regularly every summar highlighting all the dangers of UV and how you should buy product X in order to insure that your eyes are not damaged by that wicked old Sun. There is no money to be made saying UV has healthy qualities, most likely essential ones. Is more UV hitting the earth's surface than has been true in the past million years? If true, what is also most certainly true is that the average American gets only a small fraction of sun exposure that his ancestors of 10,000 years ago got. For some reason, I'm under the impression that melanomas affect office workers much more frequently than for example park rangers and affect people who use sun tanning products much more frequently than those who don't. It's not the quantity of sunlight that is a problem, it's the no sun, lots of sun, no sun, lots of sun, no sun, lots of sun cycle that nails the skin with a challenge it never gets a changes to become accustomed too. I'm not so sure some of the ingredients that historically have been in sun tanning products are all that healthy. When I was a kid, I had to be in the Florida sun from almost sun up to sun down in order to get any kind of burn at all, and I wasn't a particularly outdoorsy type but regular exposure had a protective effect. -- Steve - dudescholar2@... " The future belongs to those who see possibilities before they become obvious. " --Unknown On Wednesday 06 September 2006 7:12 pm, Brown wrote: > Hi: > > Plexiglass is a clear plastic that is used in place of glass. It > doesn't break as easily, and most forms of it block UV more than > glass does. You can now get both glass and Plexiglass that passes UV > or other types that block UV. I mention this because Ott used > it and mentioned it in his book, written in the 1970's. > > Yes and even though many American Indians that lived long showed > major signs of wrinkling from solar exposure, it seems that few had > melanomas. I wonder if that is really true? > > So much of this information is testimonial and hearsay in nature that > it totally lacks scientific validity. This information is useful and > may indicate how things work, but because no two humans are the same, > the lack of consistent data on a number of people and the lack of > careful, impartial or double blind monitoring of the reported > information, not to mention the total lack of statistical > significance because of these and other factors, it is prudent to > treat this information with great care. Ott's information was > at least very carefully gathered and his technical background lends > credence to his observations that sunlight can cure diseases of the eyes. > > I'd love to see some controlled studies on the subject. The > mainstream allopaths are so convinced that UV only does damage in any > quantity that it is unlikely that they will do such a study. A study > or series of studies would let us know how much exposure is necessary > for healing various types of ailments, how much exposure is > dangerous, how long after a dangerous exposure before a palliative > exposure is indicated etc etc. > > A question I would ask is " Would additional controlled exposure to > natural sunlight or simulated natural sunlight have cured my > pterygium? " My gut tells me no, but I could be wrong. > > > > At 05:07 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > >: > > > >Plexiglas? > > > >I have an 80 year old friend who has the eyes of a 30 yr old. He looks > >directly into the sun to dilate his eyes every day that the sun is > >shinning... works for him. > > > >Many others now claim that sunlight cures skin cancer and sun screen > >causes it... Dr. Mercola is one. One observation is that melanomas > >most often occur in the middle of the back and bottoms of feet where the > >sun never generally goes. There is also the argument that Vit D is a > >deterrent to many cancers and the observation that dark skinned people > >get less of it from sunlight and thus show negative effects in terms of > >certain cancers and other diseases. > > > >Jim > > > >Brown wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > I read a book a number of years ago > > > > " <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/08980 > >40981>http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/089 > >8040981 > > > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040 > >981>>Health > > > > > and Light " by Ott, the person who did Disney's time-lapse > > > pictures of fruit ripening and flowers blooming. They tried putting > > > fruit into Plexiglass boxes so that they wouldn't move as they > > > ripened and they just got bigger but never changed color to ripen > > > because they were shielded from the UV. They had to get a special > > > glass that passed UV for the fruit and flowers to blossom or > > > ripen. He later got eye problems and remembering his experience with > > > time-lapse and plants, used it to heal his eyes with natural > > > sunlight. Too much can cause problems too, in my opinion. Dr > > > , an herbalist with whom I studied, claims to have cured > > > skin cancer with sunlight. > > > > > > I have a bad experience. I had a pterygium - a red, vascular growth > > > on the surface of my eye caused by excessive exposure to the sun. Of > > > course, maybe it was because I stopped going out in the sun, but I > > > doubt it. I lived on the beach and went out to the beach > > > everyday. My skin has sun damage too, partly corrected by good > > > moisturizers. I had the pterygium surgically removed so that I could > > > wear contact lenses. > > > > > > Moderation anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > > >I concur on the dark berries but not on the jams. I know almost zilch > > > > > > about > > > > > > >eye exercises. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that UV is a > > > > negative but that lack of UV may be a negative. I'm not aware that > > > > hunter gather peoples who spend a lot of time in the sun ever had > > > > problems with > > > > > > either skin > > > > > > >cancer or eye sight. > > > > > > > >My 3 cents. > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > >Steve - > > > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > > " It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. " > > > >--Voltaire > > > > > > > >On Monday 04 September 2006 11:46 am, Dave Narby wrote: > > > > > 728hz Works for me. > > > > > > > > > > AFA your eyesight is concerned, you might try bilberry and other > > > > > dark berry extracts and jams. If focusing is the problem, eye > > > > > exercises work. I also wear UV blockers whenever I go outside. > > > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > & Dave: > > > > > > > > > > > > is correct.. I had to go back to Tom Valone's book... you > > > > > > guys were messing with my mind. My Gingko Biloba was not kicking > > > > > > in. The actual number that Tom Valone posted in his book is 728 > > > > > > Hz.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I could still hear 20 to 20,000 Hz when I checked my hearing at > > > > > > age 60 > > > > > > > > > and I don't think that it has fallen since. The Dr. that checked > > > > > > it was amazed... he recalibrated his instrument just to make > > > > > > sure. > > > > > > I only > > > > > > > > > wish my vision were still as good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > No, middle C in the center of the piano keyboard is 440 Hz and > > > > > > > a healthy young person can hear from about 20Hz to about 20 KHz > > > > > > > and dogs can hear to 45 KHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 MHz is more like it, almost near the 800 MHz cell phone > > > > > > band, but > > > > > > > > > > it is doubtful that it is a fixed or simple sine wave from a > > > > > > > brief scan of the literature it is a series of modulated RF > > > > > > > pulses. > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > > the 700 Hz has something to do with the way it is modulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:58 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > >It wouldn't... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't 700hz be > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sonic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It might be a decimal point error. 700mhz seems like it would > > > > > > > > be closer to the right frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 Hz?? Wow, that wavelength is about 428 kilometers in > > > > > > > > > the electromagnetic spectrum and about 40 cm (a little over > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > foot) in > > > > > > > > > > > > the sonic wave in water (human body) domain. How would a > > > > > > 428 Km > > > > > > > > > > > > wavelength resonate in the human body? All the machines > > > > > > that I saw > > > > > > > > > > > > were running on 27 MHz (citizen's band) frequencies - ~11 > > > > > > meters). > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the U-Tube link? I'd love to watch it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:59 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >De. Tom Valone discusses this in his book, > > > > > > " Bioelectromagnetic > > > > > > > > > > > > >Healing. " I am not finished reading it, but so far, its a > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > >interesting read. Maybe I'll have an answer once it > > > > > > finish it. > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >have you watched the Rife documentary in U Tube? He > > > > > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > that each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cell type and each microorganism has a frequency that > > > > > > blows it > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the video even shows it happening in one segment. > > > > > > Finally, > > > > > > > > > Valone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mentions a universal healing frequency at 700+ Hz for > > > > > > > > > > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. For example, why is this RF good and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other EMI/RFI bad? Resonance is potentially dangerous, > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how microwaves heat food. Why would this resonance > > > > > > kill bad > > > > > > > > > stuff and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not good stuff, like the brain cells that I'm fond of > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while longer? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 I have several angles I used to look at some of these issues and the UV question calls for at least " the profit motive " angle. No one is going to make a profit on trying sell sun glasses that " lets the UV in " or in selling eye glass coatings that " lets the UV in " or in selling sunscreen that " lets the UV in " . I see commercials regularly every summar highlighting all the dangers of UV and how you should buy product X in order to insure that your eyes are not damaged by that wicked old Sun. There is no money to be made saying UV has healthy qualities, most likely essential ones. Is more UV hitting the earth's surface than has been true in the past million years? If true, what is also most certainly true is that the average American gets only a small fraction of sun exposure that his ancestors of 10,000 years ago got. For some reason, I'm under the impression that melanomas affect office workers much more frequently than for example park rangers and affect people who use sun tanning products much more frequently than those who don't. It's not the quantity of sunlight that is a problem, it's the no sun, lots of sun, no sun, lots of sun, no sun, lots of sun cycle that nails the skin with a challenge it never gets a changes to become accustomed too. I'm not so sure some of the ingredients that historically have been in sun tanning products are all that healthy. When I was a kid, I had to be in the Florida sun from almost sun up to sun down in order to get any kind of burn at all, and I wasn't a particularly outdoorsy type but regular exposure had a protective effect. -- Steve - dudescholar2@... " The future belongs to those who see possibilities before they become obvious. " --Unknown On Wednesday 06 September 2006 7:12 pm, Brown wrote: > Hi: > > Plexiglass is a clear plastic that is used in place of glass. It > doesn't break as easily, and most forms of it block UV more than > glass does. You can now get both glass and Plexiglass that passes UV > or other types that block UV. I mention this because Ott used > it and mentioned it in his book, written in the 1970's. > > Yes and even though many American Indians that lived long showed > major signs of wrinkling from solar exposure, it seems that few had > melanomas. I wonder if that is really true? > > So much of this information is testimonial and hearsay in nature that > it totally lacks scientific validity. This information is useful and > may indicate how things work, but because no two humans are the same, > the lack of consistent data on a number of people and the lack of > careful, impartial or double blind monitoring of the reported > information, not to mention the total lack of statistical > significance because of these and other factors, it is prudent to > treat this information with great care. Ott's information was > at least very carefully gathered and his technical background lends > credence to his observations that sunlight can cure diseases of the eyes. > > I'd love to see some controlled studies on the subject. The > mainstream allopaths are so convinced that UV only does damage in any > quantity that it is unlikely that they will do such a study. A study > or series of studies would let us know how much exposure is necessary > for healing various types of ailments, how much exposure is > dangerous, how long after a dangerous exposure before a palliative > exposure is indicated etc etc. > > A question I would ask is " Would additional controlled exposure to > natural sunlight or simulated natural sunlight have cured my > pterygium? " My gut tells me no, but I could be wrong. > > > > At 05:07 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > >: > > > >Plexiglas? > > > >I have an 80 year old friend who has the eyes of a 30 yr old. He looks > >directly into the sun to dilate his eyes every day that the sun is > >shinning... works for him. > > > >Many others now claim that sunlight cures skin cancer and sun screen > >causes it... Dr. Mercola is one. One observation is that melanomas > >most often occur in the middle of the back and bottoms of feet where the > >sun never generally goes. There is also the argument that Vit D is a > >deterrent to many cancers and the observation that dark skinned people > >get less of it from sunlight and thus show negative effects in terms of > >certain cancers and other diseases. > > > >Jim > > > >Brown wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > I read a book a number of years ago > > > > " <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/08980 > >40981>http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/089 > >8040981 > > > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040 > >981>>Health > > > > > and Light " by Ott, the person who did Disney's time-lapse > > > pictures of fruit ripening and flowers blooming. They tried putting > > > fruit into Plexiglass boxes so that they wouldn't move as they > > > ripened and they just got bigger but never changed color to ripen > > > because they were shielded from the UV. They had to get a special > > > glass that passed UV for the fruit and flowers to blossom or > > > ripen. He later got eye problems and remembering his experience with > > > time-lapse and plants, used it to heal his eyes with natural > > > sunlight. Too much can cause problems too, in my opinion. Dr > > > , an herbalist with whom I studied, claims to have cured > > > skin cancer with sunlight. > > > > > > I have a bad experience. I had a pterygium - a red, vascular growth > > > on the surface of my eye caused by excessive exposure to the sun. Of > > > course, maybe it was because I stopped going out in the sun, but I > > > doubt it. I lived on the beach and went out to the beach > > > everyday. My skin has sun damage too, partly corrected by good > > > moisturizers. I had the pterygium surgically removed so that I could > > > wear contact lenses. > > > > > > Moderation anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > > >I concur on the dark berries but not on the jams. I know almost zilch > > > > > > about > > > > > > >eye exercises. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that UV is a > > > > negative but that lack of UV may be a negative. I'm not aware that > > > > hunter gather peoples who spend a lot of time in the sun ever had > > > > problems with > > > > > > either skin > > > > > > >cancer or eye sight. > > > > > > > >My 3 cents. > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > >Steve - > > > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > > " It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. " > > > >--Voltaire > > > > > > > >On Monday 04 September 2006 11:46 am, Dave Narby wrote: > > > > > 728hz Works for me. > > > > > > > > > > AFA your eyesight is concerned, you might try bilberry and other > > > > > dark berry extracts and jams. If focusing is the problem, eye > > > > > exercises work. I also wear UV blockers whenever I go outside. > > > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > & Dave: > > > > > > > > > > > > is correct.. I had to go back to Tom Valone's book... you > > > > > > guys were messing with my mind. My Gingko Biloba was not kicking > > > > > > in. The actual number that Tom Valone posted in his book is 728 > > > > > > Hz.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I could still hear 20 to 20,000 Hz when I checked my hearing at > > > > > > age 60 > > > > > > > > > and I don't think that it has fallen since. The Dr. that checked > > > > > > it was amazed... he recalibrated his instrument just to make > > > > > > sure. > > > > > > I only > > > > > > > > > wish my vision were still as good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > No, middle C in the center of the piano keyboard is 440 Hz and > > > > > > > a healthy young person can hear from about 20Hz to about 20 KHz > > > > > > > and dogs can hear to 45 KHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 MHz is more like it, almost near the 800 MHz cell phone > > > > > > band, but > > > > > > > > > > it is doubtful that it is a fixed or simple sine wave from a > > > > > > > brief scan of the literature it is a series of modulated RF > > > > > > > pulses. > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > > the 700 Hz has something to do with the way it is modulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:58 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > >It wouldn't... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't 700hz be > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sonic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It might be a decimal point error. 700mhz seems like it would > > > > > > > > be closer to the right frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 Hz?? Wow, that wavelength is about 428 kilometers in > > > > > > > > > the electromagnetic spectrum and about 40 cm (a little over > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > foot) in > > > > > > > > > > > > the sonic wave in water (human body) domain. How would a > > > > > > 428 Km > > > > > > > > > > > > wavelength resonate in the human body? All the machines > > > > > > that I saw > > > > > > > > > > > > were running on 27 MHz (citizen's band) frequencies - ~11 > > > > > > meters). > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the U-Tube link? I'd love to watch it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:59 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >De. Tom Valone discusses this in his book, > > > > > > " Bioelectromagnetic > > > > > > > > > > > > >Healing. " I am not finished reading it, but so far, its a > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > >interesting read. Maybe I'll have an answer once it > > > > > > finish it. > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >have you watched the Rife documentary in U Tube? He > > > > > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > that each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cell type and each microorganism has a frequency that > > > > > > blows it > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the video even shows it happening in one segment. > > > > > > Finally, > > > > > > > > > Valone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mentions a universal healing frequency at 700+ Hz for > > > > > > > > > > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. For example, why is this RF good and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other EMI/RFI bad? Resonance is potentially dangerous, > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how microwaves heat food. Why would this resonance > > > > > > kill bad > > > > > > > > > stuff and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not good stuff, like the brain cells that I'm fond of > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while longer? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Hi Jim: You're right, I got it backwards. My confusion was partly due to the fact that today UV blocking Plexiglas is available and it's the most recent clear plastic material I've used. Nevertheless, I should have remembered because I've used many of these materials. Ott switched from normal glass to Plexiglas to allow the fruit in the time-lapse movies to ripen, not the reverse. Thanks for pointing that out. At 07:41 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: >: > >In the 70' s when passive solar design was in its heyday, the report >was that acrylic (Plexiglas) and polycarbonate (Lexan) had virtually no >UV filtering ability, hence fabrics tended to fade badly when it was >used as a glazing choice. I never actually observed that myself even >though I designed several houses that were nearly 100% solar heated and >couple of those examples utilized acrylic glazing systems. > >Regards, Jim > >Brown wrote: > > > Hi: > > > > Plexiglass is a clear plastic that is used in place of glass. It > > doesn't break as easily, and most forms of it block UV more than > > glass does. You can now get both glass and Plexiglass that passes UV > > or other types that block UV. I mention this because Ott used > > it and mentioned it in his book, written in the 1970's. > > > > Yes and even though many American Indians that lived long showed > > major signs of wrinkling from solar exposure, it seems that few had > > melanomas. I wonder if that is really true? > > > > So much of this information is testimonial and hearsay in nature that > > it totally lacks scientific validity. This information is useful and > > may indicate how things work, but because no two humans are the same, > > the lack of consistent data on a number of people and the lack of > > careful, impartial or double blind monitoring of the reported > > information, not to mention the total lack of statistical > > significance because of these and other factors, it is prudent to > > treat this information with great care. Ott's information was > > at least very carefully gathered and his technical background lends > > credence to his observations that sunlight can cure diseases of the eyes. > > > > I'd love to see some controlled studies on the subject. The > > mainstream allopaths are so convinced that UV only does damage in any > > quantity that it is unlikely that they will do such a study. A study > > or series of studies would let us know how much exposure is necessary > > for healing various types of ailments, how much exposure is > > dangerous, how long after a dangerous exposure before a palliative > > exposure is indicated etc etc. > > > > A question I would ask is " Would additional controlled exposure to > > natural sunlight or simulated natural sunlight have cured my > > pterygium? " My gut tells me no, but I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > At 05:07 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > > > >: > > > > > >Plexiglas? > > > > > >I have an 80 year old friend who has the eyes of a 30 yr old. He looks > > >directly into the sun to dilate his eyes every day that the sun is > > >shinning... works for him. > > > > > >Many others now claim that sunlight cures skin cancer and sun screen > > >causes it... Dr. Mercola is one. One observation is that melanomas > > >most often occur in the middle of the back and bottoms of feet where the > > >sun never generally goes. There is also the argument that Vit D is a > > >deterrent to many cancers and the observation that dark skinned people > > >get less of it from sunlight and thus show negative effects in terms of > > >certain cancers and other diseases. > > > > > >Jim > > > > > >Brown wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I read a book a number of years ago > > > > > > > > > > " <<<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>\ http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>><h\ ttp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>http:\ //www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>ht\ tp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>>H\ ealth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Light " by Ott, the person who did Disney's time-lapse > > > > pictures of fruit ripening and flowers blooming. They tried putting > > > > fruit into Plexiglass boxes so that they wouldn't move as they > > > > ripened and they just got bigger but never changed color to ripen > > > > because they were shielded from the UV. They had to get a special > > > > glass that passed UV for the fruit and flowers to blossom or > > > > ripen. He later got eye problems and remembering his experience with > > > > time-lapse and plants, used it to heal his eyes with natural > > > > sunlight. Too much can cause problems too, in my opinion. Dr > > > > , an herbalist with whom I studied, claims to have cured > > > > skin cancer with sunlight. > > > > > > > > I have a bad experience. I had a pterygium - a red, vascular growth > > > > on the surface of my eye caused by excessive exposure to the sun. Of > > > > course, maybe it was because I stopped going out in the sun, but I > > > > doubt it. I lived on the beach and went out to the beach > > > > everyday. My skin has sun damage too, partly corrected by good > > > > moisturizers. I had the pterygium surgically removed so that I could > > > > wear contact lenses. > > > > > > > > Moderation anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >I concur on the dark berries but not on the jams. I know almost zilch > > > > about > > > > >eye exercises. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that UV is a > > negative > > > > >but that lack of UV may be a negative. I'm not aware that hunter > > gather > > > > >peoples who spend a lot of time in the sun ever had problems with > > > > either skin > > > > >cancer or eye sight. > > > > > > > > > >My 3 cents. > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > >Steve - > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > > > > > " It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. " > > > > >--Voltaire > > > > > > > > > >On Monday 04 September 2006 11:46 am, Dave Narby wrote: > > > > > > 728hz Works for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > AFA your eyesight is concerned, you might try bilberry and > > other dark > > > > > > berry extracts and jams. If focusing is the problem, eye exercises > > > > > > work. I also wear UV blockers whenever I go outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > > & Dave: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is correct.. I had to go back to Tom Valone's book... > > you guys > > > > > > > were messing with my mind. My Gingko Biloba was not kicking > > in. The > > > > > > > actual number that Tom Valone posted in his book is 728 Hz.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could still hear 20 to 20,000 Hz when I checked my hearing at > > > > age 60 > > > > > > > and I don't think that it has fallen since. The Dr. that > > checked it > > > > > > > was amazed... he recalibrated his instrument just to make sure. > > > > I only > > > > > > > wish my vision were still as good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > No, middle C in the center of the piano keyboard is 440 Hz > > and a > > > > > > > > healthy young person can hear from about 20Hz to about 20 > > KHz and > > > > > > > > dogs can hear to 45 KHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 MHz is more like it, almost near the 800 MHz cell phone > > > > band, but > > > > > > > > it is doubtful that it is a fixed or simple sine wave from > > a brief > > > > > > > > scan of the literature it is a series of modulated RF pulses. > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > the 700 Hz has something to do with the way it is modulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:58 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >It wouldn't... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't 700hz be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sonic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It might be a decimal point error. 700mhz seems like it > > would be > > > > > > > > > closer to the right frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 Hz?? Wow, that wavelength is about 428 kilometers > > in the > > > > > > > > > > electromagnetic spectrum and about 40 cm (a little over a > > > > foot) in > > > > > > > > > > the sonic wave in water (human body) domain. How would a > > > > 428 Km > > > > > > > > > > wavelength resonate in the human body? All the machines > > > > that I saw > > > > > > > > > > were running on 27 MHz (citizen's band) frequencies - ~11 > > > > meters). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the U-Tube link? I'd love to watch it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:59 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >De. Tom Valone discusses this in his book, > > > > " Bioelectromagnetic > > > > > > > > > > >Healing. " I am not finished reading it, but so far, its a > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > >interesting read. Maybe I'll have an answer once it > > > > finish it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >have you watched the Rife documentary in U Tube? He > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cell type and each microorganism has a frequency that > > > > blows it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the video even shows it happening in one segment. > > > > Finally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Valone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mentions a universal healing frequency at 700+ Hz for > > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. For example, why is this RF good and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other EMI/RFI bad? Resonance is potentially dangerous, > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > how microwaves heat food. Why would this resonance > > > > kill bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not good stuff, like the brain cells that I'm fond of > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while longer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Hi Jim: You're right, I got it backwards. My confusion was partly due to the fact that today UV blocking Plexiglas is available and it's the most recent clear plastic material I've used. Nevertheless, I should have remembered because I've used many of these materials. Ott switched from normal glass to Plexiglas to allow the fruit in the time-lapse movies to ripen, not the reverse. Thanks for pointing that out. At 07:41 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: >: > >In the 70' s when passive solar design was in its heyday, the report >was that acrylic (Plexiglas) and polycarbonate (Lexan) had virtually no >UV filtering ability, hence fabrics tended to fade badly when it was >used as a glazing choice. I never actually observed that myself even >though I designed several houses that were nearly 100% solar heated and >couple of those examples utilized acrylic glazing systems. > >Regards, Jim > >Brown wrote: > > > Hi: > > > > Plexiglass is a clear plastic that is used in place of glass. It > > doesn't break as easily, and most forms of it block UV more than > > glass does. You can now get both glass and Plexiglass that passes UV > > or other types that block UV. I mention this because Ott used > > it and mentioned it in his book, written in the 1970's. > > > > Yes and even though many American Indians that lived long showed > > major signs of wrinkling from solar exposure, it seems that few had > > melanomas. I wonder if that is really true? > > > > So much of this information is testimonial and hearsay in nature that > > it totally lacks scientific validity. This information is useful and > > may indicate how things work, but because no two humans are the same, > > the lack of consistent data on a number of people and the lack of > > careful, impartial or double blind monitoring of the reported > > information, not to mention the total lack of statistical > > significance because of these and other factors, it is prudent to > > treat this information with great care. Ott's information was > > at least very carefully gathered and his technical background lends > > credence to his observations that sunlight can cure diseases of the eyes. > > > > I'd love to see some controlled studies on the subject. The > > mainstream allopaths are so convinced that UV only does damage in any > > quantity that it is unlikely that they will do such a study. A study > > or series of studies would let us know how much exposure is necessary > > for healing various types of ailments, how much exposure is > > dangerous, how long after a dangerous exposure before a palliative > > exposure is indicated etc etc. > > > > A question I would ask is " Would additional controlled exposure to > > natural sunlight or simulated natural sunlight have cured my > > pterygium? " My gut tells me no, but I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > At 05:07 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > > > >: > > > > > >Plexiglas? > > > > > >I have an 80 year old friend who has the eyes of a 30 yr old. He looks > > >directly into the sun to dilate his eyes every day that the sun is > > >shinning... works for him. > > > > > >Many others now claim that sunlight cures skin cancer and sun screen > > >causes it... Dr. Mercola is one. One observation is that melanomas > > >most often occur in the middle of the back and bottoms of feet where the > > >sun never generally goes. There is also the argument that Vit D is a > > >deterrent to many cancers and the observation that dark skinned people > > >get less of it from sunlight and thus show negative effects in terms of > > >certain cancers and other diseases. > > > > > >Jim > > > > > >Brown wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I read a book a number of years ago > > > > > > > > > > " <<<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>\ http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>><h\ ttp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>http:\ //www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>ht\ tp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>>H\ ealth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Light " by Ott, the person who did Disney's time-lapse > > > > pictures of fruit ripening and flowers blooming. They tried putting > > > > fruit into Plexiglass boxes so that they wouldn't move as they > > > > ripened and they just got bigger but never changed color to ripen > > > > because they were shielded from the UV. They had to get a special > > > > glass that passed UV for the fruit and flowers to blossom or > > > > ripen. He later got eye problems and remembering his experience with > > > > time-lapse and plants, used it to heal his eyes with natural > > > > sunlight. Too much can cause problems too, in my opinion. Dr > > > > , an herbalist with whom I studied, claims to have cured > > > > skin cancer with sunlight. > > > > > > > > I have a bad experience. I had a pterygium - a red, vascular growth > > > > on the surface of my eye caused by excessive exposure to the sun. Of > > > > course, maybe it was because I stopped going out in the sun, but I > > > > doubt it. I lived on the beach and went out to the beach > > > > everyday. My skin has sun damage too, partly corrected by good > > > > moisturizers. I had the pterygium surgically removed so that I could > > > > wear contact lenses. > > > > > > > > Moderation anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >I concur on the dark berries but not on the jams. I know almost zilch > > > > about > > > > >eye exercises. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that UV is a > > negative > > > > >but that lack of UV may be a negative. I'm not aware that hunter > > gather > > > > >peoples who spend a lot of time in the sun ever had problems with > > > > either skin > > > > >cancer or eye sight. > > > > > > > > > >My 3 cents. > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > >Steve - > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > > > > > " It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. " > > > > >--Voltaire > > > > > > > > > >On Monday 04 September 2006 11:46 am, Dave Narby wrote: > > > > > > 728hz Works for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > AFA your eyesight is concerned, you might try bilberry and > > other dark > > > > > > berry extracts and jams. If focusing is the problem, eye exercises > > > > > > work. I also wear UV blockers whenever I go outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > > & Dave: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is correct.. I had to go back to Tom Valone's book... > > you guys > > > > > > > were messing with my mind. My Gingko Biloba was not kicking > > in. The > > > > > > > actual number that Tom Valone posted in his book is 728 Hz.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could still hear 20 to 20,000 Hz when I checked my hearing at > > > > age 60 > > > > > > > and I don't think that it has fallen since. The Dr. that > > checked it > > > > > > > was amazed... he recalibrated his instrument just to make sure. > > > > I only > > > > > > > wish my vision were still as good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > No, middle C in the center of the piano keyboard is 440 Hz > > and a > > > > > > > > healthy young person can hear from about 20Hz to about 20 > > KHz and > > > > > > > > dogs can hear to 45 KHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 MHz is more like it, almost near the 800 MHz cell phone > > > > band, but > > > > > > > > it is doubtful that it is a fixed or simple sine wave from > > a brief > > > > > > > > scan of the literature it is a series of modulated RF pulses. > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > the 700 Hz has something to do with the way it is modulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:58 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >It wouldn't... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't 700hz be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sonic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It might be a decimal point error. 700mhz seems like it > > would be > > > > > > > > > closer to the right frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 Hz?? Wow, that wavelength is about 428 kilometers > > in the > > > > > > > > > > electromagnetic spectrum and about 40 cm (a little over a > > > > foot) in > > > > > > > > > > the sonic wave in water (human body) domain. How would a > > > > 428 Km > > > > > > > > > > wavelength resonate in the human body? All the machines > > > > that I saw > > > > > > > > > > were running on 27 MHz (citizen's band) frequencies - ~11 > > > > meters). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the U-Tube link? I'd love to watch it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:59 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >De. Tom Valone discusses this in his book, > > > > " Bioelectromagnetic > > > > > > > > > > >Healing. " I am not finished reading it, but so far, its a > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > >interesting read. Maybe I'll have an answer once it > > > > finish it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >have you watched the Rife documentary in U Tube? He > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cell type and each microorganism has a frequency that > > > > blows it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the video even shows it happening in one segment. > > > > Finally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Valone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mentions a universal healing frequency at 700+ Hz for > > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. For example, why is this RF good and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other EMI/RFI bad? Resonance is potentially dangerous, > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > how microwaves heat food. Why would this resonance > > > > kill bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not good stuff, like the brain cells that I'm fond of > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while longer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Steve: I'm certain that is an important point. At 09:08 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: >I have several angles I used to look at some of these issues and the UV >question calls for at least " the profit motive " angle. No one is going to >make a profit on trying sell sun glasses that " lets the UV in " or in selling >eye glass coatings that " lets the UV in " or in selling sunscreen that " lets >the UV in " . I see commercials regularly every summar highlighting all the >dangers of UV and how you should buy product X in order to insure that your >eyes are not damaged by that wicked old Sun. There is no money to be made >saying UV has healthy qualities, most likely essential ones. > >Is more UV hitting the earth's surface than has been true in the past million >years? If true, what is also most certainly true is that the average >American gets only a small fraction of sun exposure that his ancestors of >10,000 years ago got. > >For some reason, I'm under the impression that melanomas affect >office workers >much more frequently than for example park rangers and affect people who use >sun tanning products much more frequently than those who don't. It's not the >quantity of sunlight that is a problem, it's the no sun, lots of sun, no sun, >lots of sun, no sun, lots of sun cycle that nails the skin with a challenge >it never gets a changes to become accustomed too. I'm not so sure some of >the ingredients that historically have been in sun tanning products are all >that healthy. > >When I was a kid, I had to be in the Florida sun from almost sun up to sun >down in order to get any kind of burn at all, and I wasn't a particularly >outdoorsy type but regular exposure had a protective effect. > >-- > >Steve - <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > > " The future belongs to those who see possibilities before they become >obvious. " >--Unknown > >On Wednesday 06 September 2006 7:12 pm, Brown wrote: > > Hi: > > > > Plexiglass is a clear plastic that is used in place of glass. It > > doesn't break as easily, and most forms of it block UV more than > > glass does. You can now get both glass and Plexiglass that passes UV > > or other types that block UV. I mention this because Ott used > > it and mentioned it in his book, written in the 1970's. > > > > Yes and even though many American Indians that lived long showed > > major signs of wrinkling from solar exposure, it seems that few had > > melanomas. I wonder if that is really true? > > > > So much of this information is testimonial and hearsay in nature that > > it totally lacks scientific validity. This information is useful and > > may indicate how things work, but because no two humans are the same, > > the lack of consistent data on a number of people and the lack of > > careful, impartial or double blind monitoring of the reported > > information, not to mention the total lack of statistical > > significance because of these and other factors, it is prudent to > > treat this information with great care. Ott's information was > > at least very carefully gathered and his technical background lends > > credence to his observations that sunlight can cure diseases of the eyes. > > > > I'd love to see some controlled studies on the subject. The > > mainstream allopaths are so convinced that UV only does damage in any > > quantity that it is unlikely that they will do such a study. A study > > or series of studies would let us know how much exposure is necessary > > for healing various types of ailments, how much exposure is > > dangerous, how long after a dangerous exposure before a palliative > > exposure is indicated etc etc. > > > > A question I would ask is " Would additional controlled exposure to > > natural sunlight or simulated natural sunlight have cured my > > pterygium? " My gut tells me no, but I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > At 05:07 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > >: > > > > > >Plexiglas? > > > > > >I have an 80 year old friend who has the eyes of a 30 yr old. He looks > > >directly into the sun to dilate his eyes every day that the sun is > > >shinning... works for him. > > > > > >Many others now claim that sunlight cures skin cancer and sun screen > > >causes it... Dr. Mercola is one. One observation is that melanomas > > >most often occur in the middle of the back and bottoms of feet where the > > >sun never generally goes. There is also the argument that Vit D is a > > >deterrent to many cancers and the observation that dark skinned people > > >get less of it from sunlight and thus show negative effects in terms of > > >certain cancers and other diseases. > > > > > >Jim > > > > > >Brown wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I read a book a number of years ago > > > > > > > " <<<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/08980>http:\ //www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/08980 > > >40981>http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/089 > > >8040981 > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040>http:\ //www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040 > > >981>>Health > > > > > > > and Light " by Ott, the person who did Disney's time-lapse > > > > pictures of fruit ripening and flowers blooming. They tried putting > > > > fruit into Plexiglass boxes so that they wouldn't move as they > > > > ripened and they just got bigger but never changed color to ripen > > > > because they were shielded from the UV. They had to get a special > > > > glass that passed UV for the fruit and flowers to blossom or > > > > ripen. He later got eye problems and remembering his experience with > > > > time-lapse and plants, used it to heal his eyes with natural > > > > sunlight. Too much can cause problems too, in my opinion. Dr > > > > , an herbalist with whom I studied, claims to have cured > > > > skin cancer with sunlight. > > > > > > > > I have a bad experience. I had a pterygium - a red, vascular growth > > > > on the surface of my eye caused by excessive exposure to the sun. Of > > > > course, maybe it was because I stopped going out in the sun, but I > > > > doubt it. I lived on the beach and went out to the beach > > > > everyday. My skin has sun damage too, partly corrected by good > > > > moisturizers. I had the pterygium surgically removed so that I could > > > > wear contact lenses. > > > > > > > > Moderation anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > > > >I concur on the dark berries but not on the jams. I know almost zilch > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > >eye exercises. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that UV is a > > > > > negative but that lack of UV may be a negative. I'm not aware that > > > > > hunter gather peoples who spend a lot of time in the sun ever had > > > > > problems with > > > > > > > > either skin > > > > > > > > >cancer or eye sight. > > > > > > > > > >My 3 cents. > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > >Steve - > > > > > > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net><mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudesc\ holar2@... > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > > > > " It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. " > > > > >--Voltaire > > > > > > > > > >On Monday 04 September 2006 11:46 am, Dave Narby wrote: > > > > > > 728hz Works for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > AFA your eyesight is concerned, you might try bilberry and other > > > > > > dark berry extracts and jams. If focusing is the problem, eye > > > > > > exercises work. I also wear UV blockers whenever I go outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > > & Dave: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is correct.. I had to go back to Tom Valone's book... you > > > > > > > guys were messing with my mind. My Gingko Biloba was not kicking > > > > > > > in. The actual number that Tom Valone posted in his book is 728 > > > > > > > Hz.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could still hear 20 to 20,000 Hz when I checked my hearing at > > > > > > > > age 60 > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't think that it has fallen since. The Dr. that checked > > > > > > > it was amazed... he recalibrated his instrument just to make > > > > > > > sure. > > > > > > > > I only > > > > > > > > > > > wish my vision were still as good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > No, middle C in the center of the piano keyboard is 440 Hz and > > > > > > > > a healthy young person can hear from about 20Hz to about 20 KHz > > > > > > > > and dogs can hear to 45 KHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 MHz is more like it, almost near the 800 MHz cell phone > > > > > > > > band, but > > > > > > > > > > > > it is doubtful that it is a fixed or simple sine wave from a > > > > > > > > brief scan of the literature it is a series of modulated RF > > > > > > > > pulses. > > > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > the 700 Hz has something to do with the way it is modulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:58 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >It wouldn't... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't 700hz be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sonic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It might be a decimal point error. 700mhz seems like it would > > > > > > > > > be closer to the right frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 Hz?? Wow, that wavelength is about 428 kilometers in > > > > > > > > > > the electromagnetic spectrum and about 40 cm (a little over > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > foot) in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sonic wave in water (human body) domain. How would a > > > > > > > > 428 Km > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wavelength resonate in the human body? All the machines > > > > > > > > that I saw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were running on 27 MHz (citizen's band) frequencies - ~11 > > > > > > > > meters). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the U-Tube link? I'd love to watch it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:59 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >De. Tom Valone discusses this in his book, > > > > > > > > " Bioelectromagnetic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Healing. " I am not finished reading it, but so far, its a > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >interesting read. Maybe I'll have an answer once it > > > > > > > > finish it. > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >have you watched the Rife documentary in U Tube? He > > > > > > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cell type and each microorganism has a frequency that > > > > > > > > blows it > > > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the video even shows it happening in one segment. > > > > > > > > Finally, > > > > > > > > > > > Valone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mentions a universal healing frequency at 700+ Hz for > > > > > > > > > > > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. For example, why is this RF good and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other EMI/RFI bad? Resonance is potentially dangerous, > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how microwaves heat food. Why would this resonance > > > > > > > > kill bad > > > > > > > > > > > stuff and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not good stuff, like the brain cells that I'm fond of > > > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while longer? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Steve: I'm certain that is an important point. At 09:08 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: >I have several angles I used to look at some of these issues and the UV >question calls for at least " the profit motive " angle. No one is going to >make a profit on trying sell sun glasses that " lets the UV in " or in selling >eye glass coatings that " lets the UV in " or in selling sunscreen that " lets >the UV in " . I see commercials regularly every summar highlighting all the >dangers of UV and how you should buy product X in order to insure that your >eyes are not damaged by that wicked old Sun. There is no money to be made >saying UV has healthy qualities, most likely essential ones. > >Is more UV hitting the earth's surface than has been true in the past million >years? If true, what is also most certainly true is that the average >American gets only a small fraction of sun exposure that his ancestors of >10,000 years ago got. > >For some reason, I'm under the impression that melanomas affect >office workers >much more frequently than for example park rangers and affect people who use >sun tanning products much more frequently than those who don't. It's not the >quantity of sunlight that is a problem, it's the no sun, lots of sun, no sun, >lots of sun, no sun, lots of sun cycle that nails the skin with a challenge >it never gets a changes to become accustomed too. I'm not so sure some of >the ingredients that historically have been in sun tanning products are all >that healthy. > >When I was a kid, I had to be in the Florida sun from almost sun up to sun >down in order to get any kind of burn at all, and I wasn't a particularly >outdoorsy type but regular exposure had a protective effect. > >-- > >Steve - <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > > " The future belongs to those who see possibilities before they become >obvious. " >--Unknown > >On Wednesday 06 September 2006 7:12 pm, Brown wrote: > > Hi: > > > > Plexiglass is a clear plastic that is used in place of glass. It > > doesn't break as easily, and most forms of it block UV more than > > glass does. You can now get both glass and Plexiglass that passes UV > > or other types that block UV. I mention this because Ott used > > it and mentioned it in his book, written in the 1970's. > > > > Yes and even though many American Indians that lived long showed > > major signs of wrinkling from solar exposure, it seems that few had > > melanomas. I wonder if that is really true? > > > > So much of this information is testimonial and hearsay in nature that > > it totally lacks scientific validity. This information is useful and > > may indicate how things work, but because no two humans are the same, > > the lack of consistent data on a number of people and the lack of > > careful, impartial or double blind monitoring of the reported > > information, not to mention the total lack of statistical > > significance because of these and other factors, it is prudent to > > treat this information with great care. Ott's information was > > at least very carefully gathered and his technical background lends > > credence to his observations that sunlight can cure diseases of the eyes. > > > > I'd love to see some controlled studies on the subject. The > > mainstream allopaths are so convinced that UV only does damage in any > > quantity that it is unlikely that they will do such a study. A study > > or series of studies would let us know how much exposure is necessary > > for healing various types of ailments, how much exposure is > > dangerous, how long after a dangerous exposure before a palliative > > exposure is indicated etc etc. > > > > A question I would ask is " Would additional controlled exposure to > > natural sunlight or simulated natural sunlight have cured my > > pterygium? " My gut tells me no, but I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > At 05:07 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > >: > > > > > >Plexiglas? > > > > > >I have an 80 year old friend who has the eyes of a 30 yr old. He looks > > >directly into the sun to dilate his eyes every day that the sun is > > >shinning... works for him. > > > > > >Many others now claim that sunlight cures skin cancer and sun screen > > >causes it... Dr. Mercola is one. One observation is that melanomas > > >most often occur in the middle of the back and bottoms of feet where the > > >sun never generally goes. There is also the argument that Vit D is a > > >deterrent to many cancers and the observation that dark skinned people > > >get less of it from sunlight and thus show negative effects in terms of > > >certain cancers and other diseases. > > > > > >Jim > > > > > >Brown wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I read a book a number of years ago > > > > > > > " <<<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/08980>http:\ //www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/08980 > > >40981>http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/089 > > >8040981 > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040>http:\ //www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040 > > >981>>Health > > > > > > > and Light " by Ott, the person who did Disney's time-lapse > > > > pictures of fruit ripening and flowers blooming. They tried putting > > > > fruit into Plexiglass boxes so that they wouldn't move as they > > > > ripened and they just got bigger but never changed color to ripen > > > > because they were shielded from the UV. They had to get a special > > > > glass that passed UV for the fruit and flowers to blossom or > > > > ripen. He later got eye problems and remembering his experience with > > > > time-lapse and plants, used it to heal his eyes with natural > > > > sunlight. Too much can cause problems too, in my opinion. Dr > > > > , an herbalist with whom I studied, claims to have cured > > > > skin cancer with sunlight. > > > > > > > > I have a bad experience. I had a pterygium - a red, vascular growth > > > > on the surface of my eye caused by excessive exposure to the sun. Of > > > > course, maybe it was because I stopped going out in the sun, but I > > > > doubt it. I lived on the beach and went out to the beach > > > > everyday. My skin has sun damage too, partly corrected by good > > > > moisturizers. I had the pterygium surgically removed so that I could > > > > wear contact lenses. > > > > > > > > Moderation anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > > > >I concur on the dark berries but not on the jams. I know almost zilch > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > >eye exercises. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that UV is a > > > > > negative but that lack of UV may be a negative. I'm not aware that > > > > > hunter gather peoples who spend a lot of time in the sun ever had > > > > > problems with > > > > > > > > either skin > > > > > > > > >cancer or eye sight. > > > > > > > > > >My 3 cents. > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > >Steve - > > > > > > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net><mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudesc\ holar2@... > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > > > > " It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. " > > > > >--Voltaire > > > > > > > > > >On Monday 04 September 2006 11:46 am, Dave Narby wrote: > > > > > > 728hz Works for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > AFA your eyesight is concerned, you might try bilberry and other > > > > > > dark berry extracts and jams. If focusing is the problem, eye > > > > > > exercises work. I also wear UV blockers whenever I go outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > > & Dave: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is correct.. I had to go back to Tom Valone's book... you > > > > > > > guys were messing with my mind. My Gingko Biloba was not kicking > > > > > > > in. The actual number that Tom Valone posted in his book is 728 > > > > > > > Hz.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could still hear 20 to 20,000 Hz when I checked my hearing at > > > > > > > > age 60 > > > > > > > > > > > and I don't think that it has fallen since. The Dr. that checked > > > > > > > it was amazed... he recalibrated his instrument just to make > > > > > > > sure. > > > > > > > > I only > > > > > > > > > > > wish my vision were still as good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > No, middle C in the center of the piano keyboard is 440 Hz and > > > > > > > > a healthy young person can hear from about 20Hz to about 20 KHz > > > > > > > > and dogs can hear to 45 KHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 MHz is more like it, almost near the 800 MHz cell phone > > > > > > > > band, but > > > > > > > > > > > > it is doubtful that it is a fixed or simple sine wave from a > > > > > > > > brief scan of the literature it is a series of modulated RF > > > > > > > > pulses. > > > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > the 700 Hz has something to do with the way it is modulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:58 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >It wouldn't... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't 700hz be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sonic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It might be a decimal point error. 700mhz seems like it would > > > > > > > > > be closer to the right frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 Hz?? Wow, that wavelength is about 428 kilometers in > > > > > > > > > > the electromagnetic spectrum and about 40 cm (a little over > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > foot) in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sonic wave in water (human body) domain. How would a > > > > > > > > 428 Km > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wavelength resonate in the human body? All the machines > > > > > > > > that I saw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were running on 27 MHz (citizen's band) frequencies - ~11 > > > > > > > > meters). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the U-Tube link? I'd love to watch it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:59 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >De. Tom Valone discusses this in his book, > > > > > > > > " Bioelectromagnetic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Healing. " I am not finished reading it, but so far, its a > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >interesting read. Maybe I'll have an answer once it > > > > > > > > finish it. > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >have you watched the Rife documentary in U Tube? He > > > > > > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cell type and each microorganism has a frequency that > > > > > > > > blows it > > > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the video even shows it happening in one segment. > > > > > > > > Finally, > > > > > > > > > > > Valone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mentions a universal healing frequency at 700+ Hz for > > > > > > > > > > > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. For example, why is this RF good and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other EMI/RFI bad? Resonance is potentially dangerous, > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how microwaves heat food. Why would this resonance > > > > > > > > kill bad > > > > > > > > > > > stuff and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not good stuff, like the brain cells that I'm fond of > > > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while longer? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 : Even I get it right one outta two times (remembering the dilated eyes). Not bad for an old fart, Here is a report from New Scientist that gives pretty much the mainstream take on sunscreen: >>>When out in the sun, how often do you apply sunscreen? If it's anything less than once every 2 hours, you might be better off not using any in the first place. So says Kerry Hanson, a chemist at the University of California at Riverside. She and her colleagues exposed human skin samples grown in the lab to UV radiation while they were covered with three common UV filters found in sunscreens: benzophenone-3, octocrylene and octylmethoxycinnamate. After just 1 hour, they found each compound had sunk into the skin, meaning its protective effect was greatly reduced. Worse, Hanson's team found that the samples contained more reactive oxygen species (ROS) than skin exposed to UV with no sunscreen on it. ROS are free radicals that can damage skin cells and increase the risk of skin cancer (Free Radical Biology and Medicine DOI: 10.1016/j.freeradbiomed.2006.06.011). The Skin Cancer Foundation in New York recommends ...<<< On the opposite side, Mike , The Health Ranger, did a report about a month ago where he showed that sunscreen actually causes skin cancer because it does not protect the upper layer of skin (epidermis) and it turns off the defenses (which is not so much different than what the above says when you read their observation closely). I did not actually read Mike's ref'd stats proving his hypothesis, but I was not surprised. Mike's bottom line is no sunscreen and prudence, which makes sense. A lot of what we though of as instant technological cures are long term disasters. Regards, Jim Brown wrote: > Hi Jim: > > You're right, I got it backwards. My confusion was partly due to the > fact that today UV blocking Plexiglas is available and it's the most > recent clear plastic material I've used. Nevertheless, I should have > remembered because I've used many of these materials. > > Ott switched from normal glass to Plexiglas to allow the fruit > in the time-lapse movies to ripen, not the reverse. Thanks for > pointing that out. > > > > At 07:41 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > >: > > > >In the 70' s when passive solar design was in its heyday, the report > >was that acrylic (Plexiglas) and polycarbonate (Lexan) had virtually no > >UV filtering ability, hence fabrics tended to fade badly when it was > >used as a glazing choice. I never actually observed that myself even > >though I designed several houses that were nearly 100% solar heated and > >couple of those examples utilized acrylic glazing systems. > > > >Regards, Jim > > > >Brown wrote: > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > Plexiglass is a clear plastic that is used in place of glass. It > > > doesn't break as easily, and most forms of it block UV more than > > > glass does. You can now get both glass and Plexiglass that passes UV > > > or other types that block UV. I mention this because Ott used > > > it and mentioned it in his book, written in the 1970's. > > > > > > Yes and even though many American Indians that lived long showed > > > major signs of wrinkling from solar exposure, it seems that few had > > > melanomas. I wonder if that is really true? > > > > > > So much of this information is testimonial and hearsay in nature that > > > it totally lacks scientific validity. This information is useful and > > > may indicate how things work, but because no two humans are the same, > > > the lack of consistent data on a number of people and the lack of > > > careful, impartial or double blind monitoring of the reported > > > information, not to mention the total lack of statistical > > > significance because of these and other factors, it is prudent to > > > treat this information with great care. Ott's information was > > > at least very carefully gathered and his technical background lends > > > credence to his observations that sunlight can cure diseases of > the eyes. > > > > > > I'd love to see some controlled studies on the subject. The > > > mainstream allopaths are so convinced that UV only does damage in any > > > quantity that it is unlikely that they will do such a study. A study > > > or series of studies would let us know how much exposure is necessary > > > for healing various types of ailments, how much exposure is > > > dangerous, how long after a dangerous exposure before a palliative > > > exposure is indicated etc etc. > > > > > > A question I would ask is " Would additional controlled exposure to > > > natural sunlight or simulated natural sunlight have cured my > > > pterygium? " My gut tells me no, but I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:07 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > >Plexiglas? > > > > > > > >I have an 80 year old friend who has the eyes of a 30 yr old. He > looks > > > >directly into the sun to dilate his eyes every day that the sun is > > > >shinning... works for him. > > > > > > > >Many others now claim that sunlight cures skin cancer and sun screen > > > >causes it... Dr. Mercola is one. One observation is that melanomas > > > >most often occur in the middle of the back and bottoms of feet > where the > > > >sun never generally goes. There is also the argument that Vit D is a > > > >deterrent to many cancers and the observation that dark skinned > people > > > >get less of it from sunlight and thus show negative effects in > terms of > > > >certain cancers and other diseases. > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > I read a book a number of years ago > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " <<<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>ht\ tp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>><\ http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>ht\ tp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>ht\ tp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>>>\ Health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Light " by Ott, the person who did Disney's time-lapse > > > > > pictures of fruit ripening and flowers blooming. They tried > putting > > > > > fruit into Plexiglass boxes so that they wouldn't move as they > > > > > ripened and they just got bigger but never changed color to ripen > > > > > because they were shielded from the UV. They had to get a special > > > > > glass that passed UV for the fruit and flowers to blossom or > > > > > ripen. He later got eye problems and remembering his > experience with > > > > > time-lapse and plants, used it to heal his eyes with natural > > > > > sunlight. Too much can cause problems too, in my opinion. Dr > > > > > , an herbalist with whom I studied, claims to have > cured > > > > > skin cancer with sunlight. > > > > > > > > > > I have a bad experience. I had a pterygium - a red, vascular > growth > > > > > on the surface of my eye caused by excessive exposure to the > sun. Of > > > > > course, maybe it was because I stopped going out in the sun, but I > > > > > doubt it. I lived on the beach and went out to the beach > > > > > everyday. My skin has sun damage too, partly corrected by good > > > > > moisturizers. I had the pterygium surgically removed so that I > could > > > > > wear contact lenses. > > > > > > > > > > Moderation anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >I concur on the dark berries but not on the jams. I know > almost zilch > > > > > about > > > > > >eye exercises. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that UV is a > > > negative > > > > > >but that lack of UV may be a negative. I'm not aware that hunter > > > gather > > > > > >peoples who spend a lot of time in the sun ever had problems with > > > > > either skin > > > > > >cancer or eye sight. > > > > > > > > > > > >My 3 cents. > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > > > >Steve - > > > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > > > > > > > " It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. " > > > > > >--Voltaire > > > > > > > > > > > >On Monday 04 September 2006 11:46 am, Dave Narby wrote: > > > > > > > 728hz Works for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFA your eyesight is concerned, you might try bilberry and > > > other dark > > > > > > > berry extracts and jams. If focusing is the problem, eye > exercises > > > > > > > work. I also wear UV blockers whenever I go outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > > > & Dave: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is correct.. I had to go back to Tom Valone's book... > > > you guys > > > > > > > > were messing with my mind. My Gingko Biloba was not kicking > > > in. The > > > > > > > > actual number that Tom Valone posted in his book is 728 Hz.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could still hear 20 to 20,000 Hz when I checked my > hearing at > > > > > age 60 > > > > > > > > and I don't think that it has fallen since. The Dr. that > > > checked it > > > > > > > > was amazed... he recalibrated his instrument just to > make sure. > > > > > I only > > > > > > > > wish my vision were still as good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > No, middle C in the center of the piano keyboard is 440 Hz > > > and a > > > > > > > > > healthy young person can hear from about 20Hz to about 20 > > > KHz and > > > > > > > > > dogs can hear to 45 KHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 MHz is more like it, almost near the 800 MHz cell > phone > > > > > band, but > > > > > > > > > it is doubtful that it is a fixed or simple sine wave from > > > a brief > > > > > > > > > scan of the literature it is a series of modulated RF > pulses. > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > the 700 Hz has something to do with the way it is > modulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:58 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >It wouldn't... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't > 700hz be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sonic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It might be a decimal point error. 700mhz seems like it > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > closer to the right frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 Hz?? Wow, that wavelength is about 428 kilometers > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > electromagnetic spectrum and about 40 cm (a little > over a > > > > > foot) in > > > > > > > > > > > the sonic wave in water (human body) domain. How > would a > > > > > 428 Km > > > > > > > > > > > wavelength resonate in the human body? All the > machines > > > > > that I saw > > > > > > > > > > > were running on 27 MHz (citizen's band) > frequencies - ~11 > > > > > meters). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the U-Tube link? I'd love to watch it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:59 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >De. Tom Valone discusses this in his book, > > > > > " Bioelectromagnetic > > > > > > > > > > > >Healing. " I am not finished reading it, but so > far, its a > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > >interesting read. Maybe I'll have an answer once it > > > > > finish it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >have you watched the Rife documentary in U Tube? He > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cell type and each microorganism has a frequency that > > > > > blows it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the video even shows it happening in one segment. > > > > > Finally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Valone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mentions a universal healing frequency at 700+ Hz for > > > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. For example, why is this RF good and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other EMI/RFI bad? Resonance is potentially > dangerous, > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > how microwaves heat food. Why would this resonance > > > > > kill bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not good stuff, like the brain cells that I'm > fond of > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while longer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 : Even I get it right one outta two times (remembering the dilated eyes). Not bad for an old fart, Here is a report from New Scientist that gives pretty much the mainstream take on sunscreen: >>>When out in the sun, how often do you apply sunscreen? If it's anything less than once every 2 hours, you might be better off not using any in the first place. So says Kerry Hanson, a chemist at the University of California at Riverside. She and her colleagues exposed human skin samples grown in the lab to UV radiation while they were covered with three common UV filters found in sunscreens: benzophenone-3, octocrylene and octylmethoxycinnamate. After just 1 hour, they found each compound had sunk into the skin, meaning its protective effect was greatly reduced. Worse, Hanson's team found that the samples contained more reactive oxygen species (ROS) than skin exposed to UV with no sunscreen on it. ROS are free radicals that can damage skin cells and increase the risk of skin cancer (Free Radical Biology and Medicine DOI: 10.1016/j.freeradbiomed.2006.06.011). The Skin Cancer Foundation in New York recommends ...<<< On the opposite side, Mike , The Health Ranger, did a report about a month ago where he showed that sunscreen actually causes skin cancer because it does not protect the upper layer of skin (epidermis) and it turns off the defenses (which is not so much different than what the above says when you read their observation closely). I did not actually read Mike's ref'd stats proving his hypothesis, but I was not surprised. Mike's bottom line is no sunscreen and prudence, which makes sense. A lot of what we though of as instant technological cures are long term disasters. Regards, Jim Brown wrote: > Hi Jim: > > You're right, I got it backwards. My confusion was partly due to the > fact that today UV blocking Plexiglas is available and it's the most > recent clear plastic material I've used. Nevertheless, I should have > remembered because I've used many of these materials. > > Ott switched from normal glass to Plexiglas to allow the fruit > in the time-lapse movies to ripen, not the reverse. Thanks for > pointing that out. > > > > At 07:41 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > >: > > > >In the 70' s when passive solar design was in its heyday, the report > >was that acrylic (Plexiglas) and polycarbonate (Lexan) had virtually no > >UV filtering ability, hence fabrics tended to fade badly when it was > >used as a glazing choice. I never actually observed that myself even > >though I designed several houses that were nearly 100% solar heated and > >couple of those examples utilized acrylic glazing systems. > > > >Regards, Jim > > > >Brown wrote: > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > Plexiglass is a clear plastic that is used in place of glass. It > > > doesn't break as easily, and most forms of it block UV more than > > > glass does. You can now get both glass and Plexiglass that passes UV > > > or other types that block UV. I mention this because Ott used > > > it and mentioned it in his book, written in the 1970's. > > > > > > Yes and even though many American Indians that lived long showed > > > major signs of wrinkling from solar exposure, it seems that few had > > > melanomas. I wonder if that is really true? > > > > > > So much of this information is testimonial and hearsay in nature that > > > it totally lacks scientific validity. This information is useful and > > > may indicate how things work, but because no two humans are the same, > > > the lack of consistent data on a number of people and the lack of > > > careful, impartial or double blind monitoring of the reported > > > information, not to mention the total lack of statistical > > > significance because of these and other factors, it is prudent to > > > treat this information with great care. Ott's information was > > > at least very carefully gathered and his technical background lends > > > credence to his observations that sunlight can cure diseases of > the eyes. > > > > > > I'd love to see some controlled studies on the subject. The > > > mainstream allopaths are so convinced that UV only does damage in any > > > quantity that it is unlikely that they will do such a study. A study > > > or series of studies would let us know how much exposure is necessary > > > for healing various types of ailments, how much exposure is > > > dangerous, how long after a dangerous exposure before a palliative > > > exposure is indicated etc etc. > > > > > > A question I would ask is " Would additional controlled exposure to > > > natural sunlight or simulated natural sunlight have cured my > > > pterygium? " My gut tells me no, but I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:07 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > >Plexiglas? > > > > > > > >I have an 80 year old friend who has the eyes of a 30 yr old. He > looks > > > >directly into the sun to dilate his eyes every day that the sun is > > > >shinning... works for him. > > > > > > > >Many others now claim that sunlight cures skin cancer and sun screen > > > >causes it... Dr. Mercola is one. One observation is that melanomas > > > >most often occur in the middle of the back and bottoms of feet > where the > > > >sun never generally goes. There is also the argument that Vit D is a > > > >deterrent to many cancers and the observation that dark skinned > people > > > >get less of it from sunlight and thus show negative effects in > terms of > > > >certain cancers and other diseases. > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > I read a book a number of years ago > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " <<<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>ht\ tp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>><\ http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>ht\ tp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>ht\ tp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>>>\ Health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Light " by Ott, the person who did Disney's time-lapse > > > > > pictures of fruit ripening and flowers blooming. They tried > putting > > > > > fruit into Plexiglass boxes so that they wouldn't move as they > > > > > ripened and they just got bigger but never changed color to ripen > > > > > because they were shielded from the UV. They had to get a special > > > > > glass that passed UV for the fruit and flowers to blossom or > > > > > ripen. He later got eye problems and remembering his > experience with > > > > > time-lapse and plants, used it to heal his eyes with natural > > > > > sunlight. Too much can cause problems too, in my opinion. Dr > > > > > , an herbalist with whom I studied, claims to have > cured > > > > > skin cancer with sunlight. > > > > > > > > > > I have a bad experience. I had a pterygium - a red, vascular > growth > > > > > on the surface of my eye caused by excessive exposure to the > sun. Of > > > > > course, maybe it was because I stopped going out in the sun, but I > > > > > doubt it. I lived on the beach and went out to the beach > > > > > everyday. My skin has sun damage too, partly corrected by good > > > > > moisturizers. I had the pterygium surgically removed so that I > could > > > > > wear contact lenses. > > > > > > > > > > Moderation anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >I concur on the dark berries but not on the jams. I know > almost zilch > > > > > about > > > > > >eye exercises. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that UV is a > > > negative > > > > > >but that lack of UV may be a negative. I'm not aware that hunter > > > gather > > > > > >peoples who spend a lot of time in the sun ever had problems with > > > > > either skin > > > > > >cancer or eye sight. > > > > > > > > > > > >My 3 cents. > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > > > >Steve - > > > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > > > > > > > " It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. " > > > > > >--Voltaire > > > > > > > > > > > >On Monday 04 September 2006 11:46 am, Dave Narby wrote: > > > > > > > 728hz Works for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFA your eyesight is concerned, you might try bilberry and > > > other dark > > > > > > > berry extracts and jams. If focusing is the problem, eye > exercises > > > > > > > work. I also wear UV blockers whenever I go outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > > > & Dave: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is correct.. I had to go back to Tom Valone's book... > > > you guys > > > > > > > > were messing with my mind. My Gingko Biloba was not kicking > > > in. The > > > > > > > > actual number that Tom Valone posted in his book is 728 Hz.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could still hear 20 to 20,000 Hz when I checked my > hearing at > > > > > age 60 > > > > > > > > and I don't think that it has fallen since. The Dr. that > > > checked it > > > > > > > > was amazed... he recalibrated his instrument just to > make sure. > > > > > I only > > > > > > > > wish my vision were still as good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > No, middle C in the center of the piano keyboard is 440 Hz > > > and a > > > > > > > > > healthy young person can hear from about 20Hz to about 20 > > > KHz and > > > > > > > > > dogs can hear to 45 KHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 MHz is more like it, almost near the 800 MHz cell > phone > > > > > band, but > > > > > > > > > it is doubtful that it is a fixed or simple sine wave from > > > a brief > > > > > > > > > scan of the literature it is a series of modulated RF > pulses. > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > the 700 Hz has something to do with the way it is > modulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:58 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >It wouldn't... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't > 700hz be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sonic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It might be a decimal point error. 700mhz seems like it > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > closer to the right frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 Hz?? Wow, that wavelength is about 428 kilometers > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > electromagnetic spectrum and about 40 cm (a little > over a > > > > > foot) in > > > > > > > > > > > the sonic wave in water (human body) domain. How > would a > > > > > 428 Km > > > > > > > > > > > wavelength resonate in the human body? All the > machines > > > > > that I saw > > > > > > > > > > > were running on 27 MHz (citizen's band) > frequencies - ~11 > > > > > meters). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the U-Tube link? I'd love to watch it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:59 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >De. Tom Valone discusses this in his book, > > > > > " Bioelectromagnetic > > > > > > > > > > > >Healing. " I am not finished reading it, but so > far, its a > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > >interesting read. Maybe I'll have an answer once it > > > > > finish it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >have you watched the Rife documentary in U Tube? He > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cell type and each microorganism has a frequency that > > > > > blows it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the video even shows it happening in one segment. > > > > > Finally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Valone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mentions a universal healing frequency at 700+ Hz for > > > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. For example, why is this RF good and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other EMI/RFI bad? Resonance is potentially > dangerous, > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > how microwaves heat food. Why would this resonance > > > > > kill bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not good stuff, like the brain cells that I'm > fond of > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while longer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Hi Does anyone remember the original sunscreen, PABA? PABA (para amino benzoic acid) is a B vitamin and its use was discontinued because it stains clothing yellow and because it also has a propensity to cause allergic skin reactions for some reason. I wonder if PABA has the same problems as the new synthetic sunscreens? Also, I'm sure not all synthetic sunscreens are equal. It is likely possible to compound a sunscreen that does not create ROS, perhaps by combining an antioxidant or two with them such as ascorbyl palmitate, BHA, BHT or a species of vitamin E. At 12:20 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: >: > >Even I get it right one outta two times (remembering the dilated eyes). >Not bad for an old fart, > >Here is a report from New Scientist that gives pretty much the >mainstream take on sunscreen: > > >>>When out in the sun, how often do you apply sunscreen? If it's >anything less than once every 2 hours, you might be better off not using >any in the first place. > >So says Kerry Hanson, a chemist at the University of California at >Riverside. She and her colleagues exposed human skin samples grown in >the lab to UV radiation while they were covered with three common UV >filters found in sunscreens: benzophenone-3, octocrylene and >octylmethoxycinnamate. After just 1 hour, they found each compound had >sunk into the skin, meaning its protective effect was greatly reduced. >Worse, Hanson's team found that the samples contained more reactive >oxygen species (ROS) than skin exposed to UV with no sunscreen on it. >ROS are free radicals that can damage skin cells and increase the risk >of skin cancer (Free Radical Biology and Medicine DOI: >10.1016/j.freeradbiomed.2006.06.011). > >The Skin Cancer Foundation in New York recommends ...<<< > >On the opposite side, Mike , The Health Ranger, did a report about >a month ago where he showed that sunscreen actually causes skin cancer >because it does not protect the upper layer of skin (epidermis) and it >turns off the defenses (which is not so much different than what the >above says when you read their observation closely). I did not actually >read Mike's ref'd stats proving his hypothesis, but I was not >surprised. > >Mike's bottom line is no sunscreen and prudence, which makes sense. A >lot of what we though of as instant technological cures are long term >disasters. > >Regards, Jim > >Brown wrote: > > > Hi Jim: > > > > You're right, I got it backwards. My confusion was partly due to the > > fact that today UV blocking Plexiglas is available and it's the most > > recent clear plastic material I've used. Nevertheless, I should have > > remembered because I've used many of these materials. > > > > Ott switched from normal glass to Plexiglas to allow the fruit > > in the time-lapse movies to ripen, not the reverse. Thanks for > > pointing that out. > > > > > > > > At 07:41 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > > > >: > > > > > >In the 70' s when passive solar design was in its heyday, the report > > >was that acrylic (Plexiglas) and polycarbonate (Lexan) had virtually no > > >UV filtering ability, hence fabrics tended to fade badly when it was > > >used as a glazing choice. I never actually observed that myself even > > >though I designed several houses that were nearly 100% solar heated and > > >couple of those examples utilized acrylic glazing systems. > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > >Brown wrote: > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > Plexiglass is a clear plastic that is used in place of glass. It > > > > doesn't break as easily, and most forms of it block UV more than > > > > glass does. You can now get both glass and Plexiglass that passes UV > > > > or other types that block UV. I mention this because Ott used > > > > it and mentioned it in his book, written in the 1970's. > > > > > > > > Yes and even though many American Indians that lived long showed > > > > major signs of wrinkling from solar exposure, it seems that few had > > > > melanomas. I wonder if that is really true? > > > > > > > > So much of this information is testimonial and hearsay in nature that > > > > it totally lacks scientific validity. This information is useful and > > > > may indicate how things work, but because no two humans are the same, > > > > the lack of consistent data on a number of people and the lack of > > > > careful, impartial or double blind monitoring of the reported > > > > information, not to mention the total lack of statistical > > > > significance because of these and other factors, it is prudent to > > > > treat this information with great care. Ott's information was > > > > at least very carefully gathered and his technical background lends > > > > credence to his observations that sunlight can cure diseases of > > the eyes. > > > > > > > > I'd love to see some controlled studies on the subject. The > > > > mainstream allopaths are so convinced that UV only does damage in any > > > > quantity that it is unlikely that they will do such a study. A study > > > > or series of studies would let us know how much exposure is necessary > > > > for healing various types of ailments, how much exposure is > > > > dangerous, how long after a dangerous exposure before a palliative > > > > exposure is indicated etc etc. > > > > > > > > A question I would ask is " Would additional controlled exposure to > > > > natural sunlight or simulated natural sunlight have cured my > > > > pterygium? " My gut tells me no, but I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:07 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > >Plexiglas? > > > > > > > > > >I have an 80 year old friend who has the eyes of a 30 yr old. He > > looks > > > > >directly into the sun to dilate his eyes every day that the sun is > > > > >shinning... works for him. > > > > > > > > > >Many others now claim that sunlight cures skin cancer and sun screen > > > > >causes it... Dr. Mercola is one. One observation is that melanomas > > > > >most often occur in the middle of the back and bottoms of feet > > where the > > > > >sun never generally goes. 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They tried > > putting > > > > > > fruit into Plexiglass boxes so that they wouldn't move as they > > > > > > ripened and they just got bigger but never changed color to ripen > > > > > > because they were shielded from the UV. They had to get a special > > > > > > glass that passed UV for the fruit and flowers to blossom or > > > > > > ripen. He later got eye problems and remembering his > > experience with > > > > > > time-lapse and plants, used it to heal his eyes with natural > > > > > > sunlight. Too much can cause problems too, in my opinion. Dr > > > > > > , an herbalist with whom I studied, claims to have > > cured > > > > > > skin cancer with sunlight. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a bad experience. I had a pterygium - a red, vascular > > growth > > > > > > on the surface of my eye caused by excessive exposure to the > > sun. Of > > > > > > course, maybe it was because I stopped going out in the sun, but I > > > > > > doubt it. I lived on the beach and went out to the beach > > > > > > everyday. My skin has sun damage too, partly corrected by good > > > > > > moisturizers. I had the pterygium surgically removed so that I > > could > > > > > > wear contact lenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moderation anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >I concur on the dark berries but not on the jams. I know > > almost zilch > > > > > > about > > > > > > >eye exercises. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that UV is a > > > > negative > > > > > > >but that lack of UV may be a negative. I'm not aware that hunter > > > > gather > > > > > > >peoples who spend a lot of time in the sun ever had problems with > > > > > > either skin > > > > > > >cancer or eye sight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >My 3 cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Steve - > > > > > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. " > > > > > > >--Voltaire > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Monday 04 September 2006 11:46 am, Dave Narby wrote: > > > > > > > > 728hz Works for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFA your eyesight is concerned, you might try bilberry and > > > > other dark > > > > > > > > berry extracts and jams. If focusing is the problem, eye > > exercises > > > > > > > > work. I also wear UV blockers whenever I go outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > > > > & Dave: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is correct.. I had to go back to Tom Valone's book... > > > > you guys > > > > > > > > > were messing with my mind. My Gingko Biloba was not kicking > > > > in. The > > > > > > > > > actual number that Tom Valone posted in his book is 728 Hz.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could still hear 20 to 20,000 Hz when I checked my > > hearing at > > > > > > age 60 > > > > > > > > > and I don't think that it has fallen since. The Dr. that > > > > checked it > > > > > > > > > was amazed... he recalibrated his instrument just to > > make sure. > > > > > > I only > > > > > > > > > wish my vision were still as good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No, middle C in the center of the piano keyboard is 440 Hz > > > > and a > > > > > > > > > > healthy young person can hear from about 20Hz to about 20 > > > > KHz and > > > > > > > > > > dogs can hear to 45 KHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 MHz is more like it, almost near the 800 MHz cell > > phone > > > > > > band, but > > > > > > > > > > it is doubtful that it is a fixed or simple sine wave from > > > > a brief > > > > > > > > > > scan of the literature it is a series of modulated RF > > pulses. > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > > the 700 Hz has something to do with the way it is > > modulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:58 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >It wouldn't... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't > > 700hz be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sonic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It might be a decimal point error. 700mhz seems like it > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > closer to the right frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 Hz?? Wow, that wavelength is about 428 kilometers > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > electromagnetic spectrum and about 40 cm (a little > > over a > > > > > > foot) in > > > > > > > > > > > > the sonic wave in water (human body) domain. How > > would a > > > > > > 428 Km > > > > > > > > > > > > wavelength resonate in the human body? All the > > machines > > > > > > that I saw > > > > > > > > > > > > were running on 27 MHz (citizen's band) > > frequencies - ~11 > > > > > > meters). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the U-Tube link? I'd love to watch it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:59 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >De. Tom Valone discusses this in his book, > > > > > > " Bioelectromagnetic > > > > > > > > > > > > >Healing. " I am not finished reading it, but so > > far, its a > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > >interesting read. Maybe I'll have an answer once it > > > > > > finish it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >have you watched the Rife documentary in U Tube? He > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cell type and each microorganism has a frequency that > > > > > > blows it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the video even shows it happening in one segment. > > > > > > Finally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Valone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mentions a universal healing frequency at 700+ Hz for > > > > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. For example, why is this RF good and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other EMI/RFI bad? Resonance is potentially > > dangerous, > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how microwaves heat food. Why would this resonance > > > > > > kill bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not good stuff, like the brain cells that I'm > > fond of > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while longer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Hi Does anyone remember the original sunscreen, PABA? PABA (para amino benzoic acid) is a B vitamin and its use was discontinued because it stains clothing yellow and because it also has a propensity to cause allergic skin reactions for some reason. I wonder if PABA has the same problems as the new synthetic sunscreens? Also, I'm sure not all synthetic sunscreens are equal. It is likely possible to compound a sunscreen that does not create ROS, perhaps by combining an antioxidant or two with them such as ascorbyl palmitate, BHA, BHT or a species of vitamin E. At 12:20 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: >: > >Even I get it right one outta two times (remembering the dilated eyes). >Not bad for an old fart, > >Here is a report from New Scientist that gives pretty much the >mainstream take on sunscreen: > > >>>When out in the sun, how often do you apply sunscreen? If it's >anything less than once every 2 hours, you might be better off not using >any in the first place. > >So says Kerry Hanson, a chemist at the University of California at >Riverside. She and her colleagues exposed human skin samples grown in >the lab to UV radiation while they were covered with three common UV >filters found in sunscreens: benzophenone-3, octocrylene and >octylmethoxycinnamate. After just 1 hour, they found each compound had >sunk into the skin, meaning its protective effect was greatly reduced. >Worse, Hanson's team found that the samples contained more reactive >oxygen species (ROS) than skin exposed to UV with no sunscreen on it. >ROS are free radicals that can damage skin cells and increase the risk >of skin cancer (Free Radical Biology and Medicine DOI: >10.1016/j.freeradbiomed.2006.06.011). > >The Skin Cancer Foundation in New York recommends ...<<< > >On the opposite side, Mike , The Health Ranger, did a report about >a month ago where he showed that sunscreen actually causes skin cancer >because it does not protect the upper layer of skin (epidermis) and it >turns off the defenses (which is not so much different than what the >above says when you read their observation closely). I did not actually >read Mike's ref'd stats proving his hypothesis, but I was not >surprised. > >Mike's bottom line is no sunscreen and prudence, which makes sense. A >lot of what we though of as instant technological cures are long term >disasters. > >Regards, Jim > >Brown wrote: > > > Hi Jim: > > > > You're right, I got it backwards. My confusion was partly due to the > > fact that today UV blocking Plexiglas is available and it's the most > > recent clear plastic material I've used. Nevertheless, I should have > > remembered because I've used many of these materials. > > > > Ott switched from normal glass to Plexiglas to allow the fruit > > in the time-lapse movies to ripen, not the reverse. Thanks for > > pointing that out. > > > > > > > > At 07:41 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > > > >: > > > > > >In the 70' s when passive solar design was in its heyday, the report > > >was that acrylic (Plexiglas) and polycarbonate (Lexan) had virtually no > > >UV filtering ability, hence fabrics tended to fade badly when it was > > >used as a glazing choice. I never actually observed that myself even > > >though I designed several houses that were nearly 100% solar heated and > > >couple of those examples utilized acrylic glazing systems. > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > >Brown wrote: > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > Plexiglass is a clear plastic that is used in place of glass. It > > > > doesn't break as easily, and most forms of it block UV more than > > > > glass does. You can now get both glass and Plexiglass that passes UV > > > > or other types that block UV. I mention this because Ott used > > > > it and mentioned it in his book, written in the 1970's. > > > > > > > > Yes and even though many American Indians that lived long showed > > > > major signs of wrinkling from solar exposure, it seems that few had > > > > melanomas. I wonder if that is really true? > > > > > > > > So much of this information is testimonial and hearsay in nature that > > > > it totally lacks scientific validity. This information is useful and > > > > may indicate how things work, but because no two humans are the same, > > > > the lack of consistent data on a number of people and the lack of > > > > careful, impartial or double blind monitoring of the reported > > > > information, not to mention the total lack of statistical > > > > significance because of these and other factors, it is prudent to > > > > treat this information with great care. Ott's information was > > > > at least very carefully gathered and his technical background lends > > > > credence to his observations that sunlight can cure diseases of > > the eyes. > > > > > > > > I'd love to see some controlled studies on the subject. The > > > > mainstream allopaths are so convinced that UV only does damage in any > > > > quantity that it is unlikely that they will do such a study. A study > > > > or series of studies would let us know how much exposure is necessary > > > > for healing various types of ailments, how much exposure is > > > > dangerous, how long after a dangerous exposure before a palliative > > > > exposure is indicated etc etc. > > > > > > > > A question I would ask is " Would additional controlled exposure to > > > > natural sunlight or simulated natural sunlight have cured my > > > > pterygium? " My gut tells me no, but I could be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:07 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > >Plexiglas? > > > > > > > > > >I have an 80 year old friend who has the eyes of a 30 yr old. He > > looks > > > > >directly into the sun to dilate his eyes every day that the sun is > > > > >shinning... works for him. > > > > > > > > > >Many others now claim that sunlight cures skin cancer and sun screen > > > > >causes it... Dr. Mercola is one. One observation is that melanomas > > > > >most often occur in the middle of the back and bottoms of feet > > where the > > > > >sun never generally goes. There is also the argument that Vit D is a > > > > >deterrent to many cancers and the observation that dark skinned > > people > > > > >get less of it from sunlight and thus show negative effects in > > terms of > > > > >certain cancers and other diseases. > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > >Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a book a number of years ago > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " <<<<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981\ >http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>><h\ ttp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>http:\ //www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>ht\ tp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>><\ <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>htt\ p://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>><h\ ttp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>http:\ //www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>ht\ tp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>h\ ttp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>><h\ ttp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>http:\ //www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>ht\ tp://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981 > > > > <http://www.amazon.com/Health-Light-Effects-Natural-Artificial/dp/0898040981>>>>\ Health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Light " by Ott, the person who did Disney's time-lapse > > > > > > pictures of fruit ripening and flowers blooming. They tried > > putting > > > > > > fruit into Plexiglass boxes so that they wouldn't move as they > > > > > > ripened and they just got bigger but never changed color to ripen > > > > > > because they were shielded from the UV. They had to get a special > > > > > > glass that passed UV for the fruit and flowers to blossom or > > > > > > ripen. He later got eye problems and remembering his > > experience with > > > > > > time-lapse and plants, used it to heal his eyes with natural > > > > > > sunlight. Too much can cause problems too, in my opinion. Dr > > > > > > , an herbalist with whom I studied, claims to have > > cured > > > > > > skin cancer with sunlight. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a bad experience. I had a pterygium - a red, vascular > > growth > > > > > > on the surface of my eye caused by excessive exposure to the > > sun. Of > > > > > > course, maybe it was because I stopped going out in the sun, but I > > > > > > doubt it. I lived on the beach and went out to the beach > > > > > > everyday. My skin has sun damage too, partly corrected by good > > > > > > moisturizers. I had the pterygium surgically removed so that I > > could > > > > > > wear contact lenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moderation anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >I concur on the dark berries but not on the jams. I know > > almost zilch > > > > > > about > > > > > > >eye exercises. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that UV is a > > > > negative > > > > > > >but that lack of UV may be a negative. I'm not aware that hunter > > > > gather > > > > > > >peoples who spend a lot of time in the sun ever had problems with > > > > > > either skin > > > > > > >cancer or eye sight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >My 3 cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Steve - > > > > > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. " > > > > > > >--Voltaire > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Monday 04 September 2006 11:46 am, Dave Narby wrote: > > > > > > > > 728hz Works for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AFA your eyesight is concerned, you might try bilberry and > > > > other dark > > > > > > > > berry extracts and jams. If focusing is the problem, eye > > exercises > > > > > > > > work. I also wear UV blockers whenever I go outside. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > > > > > > > & Dave: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is correct.. I had to go back to Tom Valone's book... > > > > you guys > > > > > > > > > were messing with my mind. My Gingko Biloba was not kicking > > > > in. The > > > > > > > > > actual number that Tom Valone posted in his book is 728 Hz.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could still hear 20 to 20,000 Hz when I checked my > > hearing at > > > > > > age 60 > > > > > > > > > and I don't think that it has fallen since. The Dr. that > > > > checked it > > > > > > > > > was amazed... he recalibrated his instrument just to > > make sure. > > > > > > I only > > > > > > > > > wish my vision were still as good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No, middle C in the center of the piano keyboard is 440 Hz > > > > and a > > > > > > > > > > healthy young person can hear from about 20Hz to about 20 > > > > KHz and > > > > > > > > > > dogs can hear to 45 KHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 MHz is more like it, almost near the 800 MHz cell > > phone > > > > > > band, but > > > > > > > > > > it is doubtful that it is a fixed or simple sine wave from > > > > a brief > > > > > > > > > > scan of the literature it is a series of modulated RF > > pulses. > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > > the 700 Hz has something to do with the way it is > > modulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:58 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >It wouldn't... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't > > 700hz be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sub-sonic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It might be a decimal point error. 700mhz seems like it > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > closer to the right frequency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 700 Hz?? Wow, that wavelength is about 428 kilometers > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > electromagnetic spectrum and about 40 cm (a little > > over a > > > > > > foot) in > > > > > > > > > > > > the sonic wave in water (human body) domain. How > > would a > > > > > > 428 Km > > > > > > > > > > > > wavelength resonate in the human body? All the > > machines > > > > > > that I saw > > > > > > > > > > > > were running on 27 MHz (citizen's band) > > frequencies - ~11 > > > > > > meters). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the U-Tube link? I'd love to watch it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:59 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >De. Tom Valone discusses this in his book, > > > > > > " Bioelectromagnetic > > > > > > > > > > > > >Healing. " I am not finished reading it, but so > > far, its a > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > >interesting read. Maybe I'll have an answer once it > > > > > > finish it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >have you watched the Rife documentary in U Tube? He > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cell type and each microorganism has a frequency that > > > > > > blows it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and the video even shows it happening in one segment. > > > > > > Finally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Valone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mentions a universal healing frequency at 700+ Hz for > > > > humans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >. For example, why is this RF good and all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other EMI/RFI bad? Resonance is potentially > > dangerous, > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how microwaves heat food. Why would this resonance > > > > > > kill bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not good stuff, like the brain cells that I'm > > fond of > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while longer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Well, I've got to put in 2 cents on this discussion. I'm of Irish descent and I used to sunburn easily and severely. Discovered that vitamin E in large enough doses eliminated sunburn from my life. I use 1000 units daily as a maintenance dose for general and heart health. Chuck The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and a leaky tire on 9/7/2006 3:56:24 PM, Brown (scotflyr@...) wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone remember the original sunscreen, PABA? PABA (para amino > benzoic acid) is a B vitamin and its use was discontinued because it > stains clothing yellow and because it also has a propensity to cause > allergic skin reactions for some reason. I wonder if PABA has the > same problems as the new synthetic sunscreens? Also, > I'm sure not > all synthetic sunscreens are equal. It is likely possible to > compound a sunscreen that does not create ROS, perhaps by combining > an antioxidant or two with them such as ascorbyl palmitate, BHA, BHT > or a species of vitamin E. > > > > At 12:20 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: > > >: > > > >Even I get it right one outta two times (remembering the dilated eyes). > >Not bad for an old fart, > > > >Here is a report from New Scientist that gives pretty much the > >mainstream take on sunscreen: > > > > >>>When out in the sun, how often do you apply sunscreen? If it's > >anything less than once every 2 hours, you might be better off not using > >any in the first place. > > > >So says Kerry Hanson, a chemist at the University of California at > >Riverside. She and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Well, I've got to put in 2 cents on this discussion. I'm of Irish descent and I used to sunburn easily and severely. Discovered that vitamin E in large enough doses eliminated sunburn from my life. I use 1000 units daily as a maintenance dose for general and heart health. Chuck The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and a leaky tire on 9/7/2006 3:56:24 PM, Brown (scotflyr@...) wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone remember the original sunscreen, PABA? PABA (para amino > benzoic acid) is a B vitamin and its use was discontinued because it > stains clothing yellow and because it also has a propensity to cause > allergic skin reactions for some reason. I wonder if PABA has the > same problems as the new synthetic sunscreens? Also, > I'm sure not > all synthetic sunscreens are equal. It is likely possible to > compound a sunscreen that does not create ROS, perhaps by combining > an antioxidant or two with them such as ascorbyl palmitate, BHA, BHT > or a species of vitamin E. > > > > At 12:20 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: > > >: > > > >Even I get it right one outta two times (remembering the dilated eyes). > >Not bad for an old fart, > > > >Here is a report from New Scientist that gives pretty much the > >mainstream take on sunscreen: > > > > >>>When out in the sun, how often do you apply sunscreen? If it's > >anything less than once every 2 hours, you might be better off not using > >any in the first place. > > > >So says Kerry Hanson, a chemist at the University of California at > >Riverside. She and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Chuck: Mike pretty much agrees with you on this, but he talks about diet and health in general rather than just vitamin E. Dr. Bruce West (I used to receive his monthly newsletter) claims that you only absorb a very small amount of any synthesized vitamins and recommends only food based whole vitamins such as those sold by Standard Process which are generally recommended by naturopathic professionals. If you combine and West's recommendations, you might end up with your 1000 IU, since, if West is correct, you may only actually receive maybe 30 IU... which is what Standard Process supplements would give you. West claims that mega doses of all vitamins can't be processed and actually create stress since your body has to seek out their complementary parts before they can be utilized. His is a very complicated argument, but he backs it up with hands on facts. After a year of reading his stuff, I generally agreed with his thrust and stopped his newsletter. Kind Regards, Jim king001@... wrote: > Well, I've got to put in 2 cents on this discussion. > I'm of Irish descent and I used to sunburn easily and severely. > Discovered that vitamin E in large enough doses eliminated sunburn > from my life. > I use 1000 units daily as a maintenance dose for general and heart > health. > > Chuck > > The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and a > leaky tire > > on 9/7/2006 3:56:24 PM, Brown (scotflyr@... > <mailto:scotflyr%40pacbell.net>) wrote: > > Hi > > > > Does anyone remember the original sunscreen, PABA? PABA (para amino > > benzoic acid) is a B vitamin and its use was discontinued because it > > stains clothing yellow and because it also has a propensity to cause > > allergic skin reactions for some reason. I wonder if PABA has the > > same problems as the new synthetic sunscreens? Also, > > I'm sure not > > all synthetic sunscreens are equal. It is likely possible to > > compound a sunscreen that does not create ROS, perhaps by combining > > an antioxidant or two with them such as ascorbyl palmitate, BHA, BHT > > or a species of vitamin E. > > > > > > > > At 12:20 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: > > > > >: > > > > > >Even I get it right one outta two times (remembering the dilated eyes). > > >Not bad for an old fart, > > > > > >Here is a report from New Scientist that gives pretty much the > > >mainstream take on sunscreen: > > > > > > >>>When out in the sun, how often do you apply sunscreen? If it's > > >anything less than once every 2 hours, you might be better off not > using > > >any in the first place. > > > > > >So says Kerry Hanson, a chemist at the University of California at > > >Riverside. She and > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Interesting, but I don't really understand your point. The E that I take IS mixed topopherols from natural sources. The amount that's absorbed is of little consequence as my dosage was determined by " fire for effect " . My own study of E started with the reports of the Drs Schute in Canada curing numerous heart problems with large dose E (up to 3000 IU daily). As far as I'm concerned, the elimination of sunburn with E was my own discovery, but I probably wasn't the first. I'm putting it forth to help as a useful suggestion. Howcome you sound like a SP salesperson? Whenever I hear about Standard Process, it reads like a MLM Co. Got nothing against good and effective sources, but MLM's have usually been an expensive PITA. No need for complicated argument. It's beneficial and it works for me for at least 25 years! Chuck What do people in China call their good plates? On 9/7/2006 6:43:15 PM, Jim (huuman60@...) wrote: > Chuck: > > Mike pretty much agrees with you on this, but he talks about diet > and health in general rather than just vitamin E. Dr. Bruce West (I > used to receive his monthly newsletter) claims that you only absorb a > very small amount of any synthesized vitamins and recommends only food > based whole vitamins such as those sold by Standard Process which are > generally recommended by naturopathic professionals. If you combine > and > West's recommendations, you might end up with your 1000 IU, > since, if West is correct, you may only actually receive maybe 30 > IU... which is what Standard Process supplements would give you. West > claims that mega doses of all vitamins can't > be processed and actually > create stress since your body has to seek out their complementary parts > before they can be utilized. His is a very complicated argument, but > he backs it up with hands on facts. After a year of reading his stuff, > I generally agreed with his thrust and stopped his newsletter. > > Kind Regards, Jim > > > king001@... wrote: > > > Well, I've got to put in 2 cents on this discussion. > > I'm of Irish > descent and I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Chuck: What I wrote was an analogy, not a point of view. Nothing that I wrote was my opinion and my point was to reinforce what you said, not to argue. Sorry if I offended you. As far as Standard Process goes, I bought a couple of things from them maybe five years ago when I first started reading West's letters... before I understood that their line is not set up for people like you and me. Furthermore, Standard Process is not an MLM outfit as far as I know. According to West it is a very old family run business. I know for certain that you order the products from a long list of treatment targeted food based items. Many are made from such things as organically raised dried raw calves liver or other organ meat. No one ever contacted me after I ordered their products (from a list that I mailed to them) and I never saw as much as a catalog or flier from them afterward. It was all very primitive by the nutritional company standards that I am familiar with and commonly order from like Swanson and Purity Products. I am holding a list that I had on file. It does not even have a product description . They leave that up to the health care professional. In order to understand West's point of view, you'd really have to read a stack of his newsletters. He only prescribes their products, from what I understand, and he claims an extremely high success rate for very grave conditions. Regards, Jim : > Interesting, but I don't really understand your point. > > The E that I take IS mixed topopherols from natural sources. > The amount that's absorbed is of little consequence as my dosage was > determined by " fire for effect " . > > My own study of E started with the reports of the Drs Schute in Canada > curing numerous heart problems with large dose E (up to 3000 IU > daily). > As far as I'm concerned, the elimination of sunburn with E was my own > discovery, but I probably wasn't the first. > I'm putting it forth to help as a useful suggestion. > > Howcome you sound like a SP salesperson? > Whenever I hear about Standard Process, it reads like a MLM Co. > Got nothing against good and effective sources, but MLM's have usually > been an expensive PITA. > No need for complicated argument. > It's beneficial and it works for me for at least 25 years! > > Chuck > What do people in China call their good plates? > > On 9/7/2006 6:43:15 PM, Jim (huuman60@... > <mailto:huuman60%40comcast.net>) wrote: > > Chuck: > > > > Mike pretty much agrees with you on this, but he talks about diet > > and health in general rather than just vitamin E. Dr. Bruce West (I > > used to receive his monthly newsletter) claims that you only absorb a > > very small amount of any synthesized vitamins and recommends only food > > based whole vitamins such as those sold by Standard Process which are > > generally recommended by naturopathic professionals. If you combine > > and > > West's recommendations, you might end up with your 1000 IU, > > since, if West is correct, you may only actually receive maybe 30 > > IU... which is what Standard Process supplements would give you. West > > claims that mega doses of all vitamins can't > > be processed and actually > > create stress since your body has to seek out their complementary parts > > before they can be utilized. His is a very complicated argument, but > > he backs it up with hands on facts. After a year of reading his stuff, > > I generally agreed with his thrust and stopped his newsletter. > > > > Kind Regards, Jim > > > > > > king001@... <mailto:king001%40nycap.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > Well, I've got to put in 2 cents on this discussion. > > > I'm of Irish > > descent and I > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Sorry Jim, I misunderstood. As I had stated that I had found my solution for my problem and at a effective dosage, I was puzzled by your reply. Mea Culpa. It is so often that health related marketing gets involved in these lists, that my BS meter pegs very easy. I have heard tht SP is very good and only sells thru health professionals. I read that as an added markup. I did recently come across a site selling to whoever wants it though, so there may be a marketing crack. I haven't been tempted yet though. Personally I purchase at least half of my sups from www.beyond-a-century.com and the other half from puritans pride. Chuck What's the most important thing to learn in chemistry? Never lick the spoon. On 9/7/2006 11:13:33 PM, Jim (huuman60@...) wrote: > Chuck: > > What I wrote was an analogy, not a point of view. Nothing that I wrote > was my opinion and my point was to reinforce what you said, not to > argue. Sorry if I offended > you. > > As far as Standard Process goes, I bought a couple of things from them > maybe five years ago when I first started reading > West's letters... > before I understood that their line is not set up for people like you > and me. Furthermore, Standard Process is not an MLM outfit as far as I > know. According to West it is a very old family run business. I know > for certain that you order the products from a long list of treatment > targeted food based items. Many are made from such things as > organically raised dried raw calves liver or other organ meat. No one > ever contacted me after I ordered their products (from a list that I > mailed to them) and I never saw as much as a catalog or flier from them > afterward. It was all very primitive by the nutritional company > standards that I am familiar with and commonly order from like Swanson > and Purity Products. I am holding a list that I had on file. It does > not even have a product description . They leave that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 A couple of old skin cancer studies done by the US military showed that people who were occasionally or rarely exposed to sunlight had a higher rate of skin cancer than those who were exposed frequently. Also those who used sunblock had higher rates than those who did not. Maybe that's what you were thinking about. Duncan Posted by: " steve " dudescholar2@... dudescholar Date: Wed Sep 6, 2006 9:38 pm (PDT) For some reason, I'm under the impression that melanomas affect office workers much more frequently than for example park rangers and affect people who use sun tanning products much more frequently than those who don't. Steve - dudescholar2@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Hey Chuck: Maybe that is why I never get sunburned anymore. I increase my dose of E to about 1200 per day. I always use mixed tocopherols with mixed tocotrienols now from LEF and Swanson. That is an excellent example of learning how to put the correct mix of nutrients together for good absorption and good effect at the same time. Thanks for the post Chuck. At 05:25 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: >Interesting, but I don't really understand your point. > >The E that I take IS mixed topopherols from natural sources. >The amount that's absorbed is of little consequence as my dosage was >determined by " fire for effect " . > >My own study of E started with the reports of the Drs Schute in Canada >curing numerous heart problems with large dose E (up to 3000 IU >daily). >As far as I'm concerned, the elimination of sunburn with E was my own >discovery, but I probably wasn't the first. >I'm putting it forth to help as a useful suggestion. > >Howcome you sound like a SP salesperson? >Whenever I hear about Standard Process, it reads like a MLM Co. >Got nothing against good and effective sources, but MLM's have usually >been an expensive PITA. >No need for complicated argument. >It's beneficial and it works for me for at least 25 years! > >Chuck >What do people in China call their good plates? > >On 9/7/2006 6:43:15 PM, Jim >(<mailto:huuman60%40comcast.net>huuman60@...) wrote: > > Chuck: > > > > Mike pretty much agrees with you on this, but he talks about diet > > and health in general rather than just vitamin E. Dr. Bruce West (I > > used to receive his monthly newsletter) claims that you only absorb a > > very small amount of any synthesized vitamins and recommends only food > > based whole vitamins such as those sold by Standard Process which are > > generally recommended by naturopathic professionals. If you combine > > and > > West's recommendations, you might end up with your 1000 IU, > > since, if West is correct, you may only actually receive maybe 30 > > IU... which is what Standard Process supplements would give you. West > > claims that mega doses of all vitamins can't > > be processed and actually > > create stress since your body has to seek out their complementary parts > > before they can be utilized. His is a very complicated argument, but > > he backs it up with hands on facts. After a year of reading his stuff, > > I generally agreed with his thrust and stopped his newsletter. > > > > Kind Regards, Jim > > > > > > <mailto:king001%40nycap.rr.com>king001@... wrote: > > > > > Well, I've got to put in 2 cents on this discussion. > > > I'm of Irish > > descent and I > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Hi: I've used some of SPL products in the past. A few are actually carried at one of the local herb/health stores here in Capitola California, so it isn't MLM. They carry some specific ones for specific organ stimulation, like thyroid, of course with extracts from organically raised beef thyroid and some associated vitamins or herbs.. I have an old copy of their formulations too, in my file cabinet. They look like they were typed up on an old underwood typewriter. Their products are quite excellent if that is what you need. At 08:13 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: >Chuck: > >What I wrote was an analogy, not a point of view. Nothing that I wrote >was my opinion and my point was to reinforce what you said, not to >argue. Sorry if I offended >you. > >As far as Standard Process goes, I bought a couple of things from them >maybe five years ago when I first started reading West's letters... >before I understood that their line is not set up for people like you >and me. Furthermore, Standard Process is not an MLM outfit as far as I >know. According to West it is a very old family run business. I know >for certain that you order the products from a long list of treatment >targeted food based items. Many are made from such things as >organically raised dried raw calves liver or other organ meat. No one >ever contacted me after I ordered their products (from a list that I >mailed to them) and I never saw as much as a catalog or flier from them >afterward. It was all very primitive by the nutritional company >standards that I am familiar with and commonly order from like Swanson >and Purity Products. I am holding a list that I had on file. It does >not even have a product description . They leave that up to the health >care professional. > >In order to understand West's point of view, you'd really have to read >a stack of his newsletters. He only prescribes their products, from >what I understand, and he claims an extremely high success rate for very >grave conditions. > >Regards, Jim > >: > > > Interesting, but I don't really understand your point. > > > > The E that I take IS mixed topopherols from natural sources. > > The amount that's absorbed is of little consequence as my dosage was > > determined by " fire for effect " . > > > > My own study of E started with the reports of the Drs Schute in Canada > > curing numerous heart problems with large dose E (up to 3000 IU > > daily). > > As far as I'm concerned, the elimination of sunburn with E was my own > > discovery, but I probably wasn't the first. > > I'm putting it forth to help as a useful suggestion. > > > > Howcome you sound like a SP salesperson? > > Whenever I hear about Standard Process, it reads like a MLM Co. > > Got nothing against good and effective sources, but MLM's have usually > > been an expensive PITA. > > No need for complicated argument. > > It's beneficial and it works for me for at least 25 years! > > > > Chuck > > What do people in China call their good plates? > > > > On 9/7/2006 6:43:15 PM, Jim > (<mailto:huuman60%40comcast.net>huuman60@... > > <mailto:huuman60%40comcast.net>) wrote: > > > Chuck: > > > > > > Mike pretty much agrees with you on this, but he talks about diet > > > and health in general rather than just vitamin E. Dr. Bruce West (I > > > used to receive his monthly newsletter) claims that you only absorb a > > > very small amount of any synthesized vitamins and recommends only food > > > based whole vitamins such as those sold by Standard Process which are > > > generally recommended by naturopathic professionals. If you combine > > > and > > > West's recommendations, you might end up with your 1000 IU, > > > since, if West is correct, you may only actually receive maybe 30 > > > IU... which is what Standard Process supplements would give you. West > > > claims that mega doses of all vitamins can't > > > be processed and actually > > > create stress since your body has to seek out their complementary parts > > > before they can be utilized. His is a very complicated argument, but > > > he backs it up with hands on facts. After a year of reading his stuff, > > > I generally agreed with his thrust and stopped his newsletter. > > > > > > Kind Regards, Jim > > > > > > > > > <mailto:king001%40nycap.rr.com>king001@... > <mailto:king001%40nycap.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Well, I've got to put in 2 cents on this discussion. > > > > I'm of Irish > > > descent and I > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Hi Chuck: Once again, thanks for the Beyond a century source. They look really good. At 08:34 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: >Sorry Jim, I misunderstood. > >As I had stated that I had found my solution for my problem and at a >effective dosage, I was puzzled by your reply. >Mea Culpa. > >It is so often that health related marketing gets involved in these >lists, that my BS meter pegs very easy. > >I have heard tht SP is very good and only sells thru health >professionals. I read that as an added markup. >I did recently come across a site selling to whoever wants it though, >so there may be a marketing crack. >I haven't been tempted yet though. > >Personally I purchase at least half of my sups from >www.beyond-a-century.com and the other half from puritans pride. > >Chuck >What's the most important thing to learn in chemistry? Never lick >the spoon. > >On 9/7/2006 11:13:33 PM, Jim >(<mailto:huuman60%40comcast.net>huuman60@...) wrote: > > Chuck: > > > > What I wrote was an analogy, not a point of view. Nothing that I wrote > > was my opinion and my point was to reinforce what you said, not to > > argue. Sorry if I offended > > you. > > > > As far as Standard Process goes, I bought a couple of things from them > > maybe five years ago when I first started reading > > West's letters... > > before I understood that their line is not set up for people like you > > and me. Furthermore, Standard Process is not an MLM outfit as far as I > > know. According to West it is a very old family run business. I know > > for certain that you order the products from a long list of treatment > > targeted food based items. Many are made from such things as > > organically raised dried raw calves liver or other organ meat. No one > > ever contacted me after I ordered their products (from a list that I > > mailed to them) and I never saw as much as a catalog or flier from them > > afterward. It was all very primitive by the nutritional company > > standards that I am familiar with and commonly order from like Swanson > > and Purity Products. I am holding a list that I had on file. It does > > not even have a product description . They leave that > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Heh ... , Guess we're a clinical study of 2! Always good to hear confirmation 'cause reactions are often so individual. I've also found that relatively high dose C (ascorbic acid) makes it difficult to become intoxicated. Just a tidbit, I don't try to push the envelope on anymore. Chuck Why are there interstate highways in Hawaii? On 9/8/2006 2:26:04 AM, Brown (scotflyr@...) wrote: > Hey Chuck: > > Maybe that is why I never get sunburned anymore. I increase my dose > of E to about 1200 per day. I always use mixed tocopherols with > mixed tocotrienols now from LEF and Swanson. That is an excellent > example of learning how to put the correct mix of nutrients together > for good absorption and good effect at the same time. Thanks for the > post Chuck. > > > > At 05:25 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: > > >Interesting, but I > don't really understand your point. > % Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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