Re: Re: Genetic link is identified for aging, Alzheimer's

[Guest guest]

Exercise alone is akin to keeping the oil changed. You can do that &

its a good

idea up to a point, but you also have to put gas in the tank and

perform other

maintenance procedures if you expect maximum vehicle life with the lowest

down time.

Supplements are food. We have a fair idea of how food works compared to

just a few years ago; we just do not have accessibility to the quality

that is necessary

for optimum health. Current farming practices are designed to minimize

labor and

provide the highest dollar return, not to maximize nourishment. If you

grow your

own food, live in a productive farming area, and chose your diet to fit

your body type,

supplements are hardly necessary. Unfortunately, most of us do not

have that option.

Even if we did, chances are, we could not support ourselves doing that.

You can chose your supplementary food from direct sources such as green

foods and fish oils, or you can take the more risky path of believing

current

wisdom and selecting fractionated foods such as phosphatidyl-serine,

phosphatidyl-choline, and galantamine. The former choice is bound to work,

the second is closer to allopathic medicine, but in my experience far

better

and safer. Who knows for sure?

Dr. Bruce West will tell you that his observations, based on client

feedback,

prove that fractionated vitamins are at least useless and probably

dangerous.

Mercola and Mike of News Target generally agree,

while allopaths (who generally have less nutritional knowledge than

anyone in this group) will tell you that they will give you expensive

urine.

We make our choices. Life itself is a gamble. Some of us are predisposed

to gambling while others shy away from it like the plague.

Personally, I much prefer taking matters in my own hands and letting

the cards fall.

I probably spend $400/ month on supplements recommended by people like

Mercola, West, and some of the people in this group as opposed to

taking out a

health policy that I will never use even if I am dying from a myocardial

infarction.

Whether I am right or wrong, the end result is the same. However, with

my way,

I have no one to blame but myself.

So far, my way has been far more successful than anyone my age that I know.

That includes at least thirty M.D's that I meet with on a weekly basis.

Every last

one of them, as far as I know, has had some manner of heart/ arterial

intervention,

including one nationally known heart surgeon, and most sport at least

one artificial joint

Bypass surgery has become as common for them as removing tonsils was when I

was a kid. I am 65, my blood pressure, weight , general fitness,

and tennis game

is every bit as good as it was in 1976, and today, I refuse aspirin.

I just read the Environmental Nutrition homepage and a couple of back

issues.

I. would bet that 99% of the people in this group substantially agree

with the above opinion

and will not change due to mainstream, allopathically based data like

that put out

by them.

Jim

a1thighmaster wrote:

> In the January 2006 edition of " Environmental Nutrition " I read the

> following article reprinted from the October 2005 issue of " The Lancet

> Nuerology " :

>

> " People who exercised at least twice a week in middle age were 60%

> less likely to develop Alzheimer's disease when they got older. That's

> what researchers at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden found when they

> looked for signs of dementia in nearly 1,500 people after an average

> of 21 years. Walking and cycling were the most popular exercises. The

> people who benefited most had a genetic predisposition for

> Alzheimer's. Exercise may decrease risk by improving blood flow to the

> brain and transmission of brain, suggest the researchers "

>

> I've seen more articles on exercise being proven as a longevity factor

> than anything else. I like exercise better than taking a lot of

> expensive and relatively unproven supplements.

>

> Best regards,

> Celeste

>

> Brown wrote:

> > Even if one is predisposed to Alzheimer's - it will be some time

> > before a reliable test for such is readily available - we know, from

> > previous posts here and information elsewhere, that a number of

> > interventions can help to prevent it. Most of these should work in

> > those predisposed or those not predisposed to it, including keeping

> > blood sugar low and using a number of supplements like

> > phosphatidyl-serine and phosphatidyl-choline and galantamine and

> > lef.org's Cognitex formula and the herb gotu kola and curry (turmeric

> > etc.) and the drug deprenyl.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim:

It is true that some of the multitude of supplements that many of us

take, and I also spend several hundred dollars per month on

supplements, may be wasted. Nevertheless, I am certain that they

have greatly benefited me. Of course I exercise as well. I look 15

years younger than I am and have not had any major health problems -

but I also don't brag that I won't. None of us knows the hidden

flaws that our bodies may hold.

I agree with you that some of it may be speculative, but I base what

I take on research that indicates that what I am taking is effective

in preventing disease. If one single major hospital visit is

prevented, it pays for many years of this expensive urine. By the

way, within about 4 hours or so, depending on the drug, you piss away

all the expensive drugs that doctors prescribe as well. It is clear

that, that analogy is meant to humiliate us, since everything we

absorb is eventually passed back out in the urine or feces. It is

what it does while it is visiting that counts.

At 06:02 PM 8/12/2006, you wrote:

>Exercise alone is akin to keeping the oil changed. You can do that &

>its a good

>idea up to a point, but you also have to put gas in the tank and

>perform other

>maintenance procedures if you expect maximum vehicle life with the lowest

>down time.

>

>Supplements are food. We have a fair idea of how food works compared to

>just a few years ago; we just do not have accessibility to the quality

>that is necessary

>for optimum health. Current farming practices are designed to minimize

>labor and

>provide the highest dollar return, not to maximize nourishment. If you

>grow your

>own food, live in a productive farming area, and chose your diet to fit

>your body type,

>supplements are hardly necessary. Unfortunately, most of us do not

>have that option.

>Even if we did, chances are, we could not support ourselves doing that.

>

>You can chose your supplementary food from direct sources such as green

>foods and fish oils, or you can take the more risky path of believing

>current

>wisdom and selecting fractionated foods such as phosphatidyl-serine,

>phosphatidyl-choline, and galantamine. The former choice is bound to work,

>the second is closer to allopathic medicine, but in my experience far

>better

>and safer. Who knows for sure?

>

>Dr. Bruce West will tell you that his observations, based on client

>feedback,

>prove that fractionated vitamins are at least useless and probably

>dangerous.

>Mercola and Mike of News Target generally agree,

>while allopaths (who generally have less nutritional knowledge than

>anyone in this group) will tell you that they will give you expensive

>urine.

>We make our choices. Life itself is a gamble. Some of us are predisposed

>to gambling while others shy away from it like the plague.

>

>Personally, I much prefer taking matters in my own hands and letting

>the cards fall.

>I probably spend $400/ month on supplements recommended by people like

>Mercola, West, and some of the people in this group as opposed to

>taking out a

>health policy that I will never use even if I am dying from a myocardial

>infarction.

>Whether I am right or wrong, the end result is the same. However, with

>my way,

>I have no one to blame but myself.

>

>So far, my way has been far more successful than anyone my age that I know.

>That includes at least thirty M.D's that I meet with on a weekly basis.

>Every last

>one of them, as far as I know, has had some manner of heart/ arterial

>intervention,

>including one nationally known heart surgeon, and most sport at least

>one artificial joint

>Bypass surgery has become as common for them as removing tonsils was when I

>was a kid. I am 65, my blood pressure, weight , general fitness,

>and tennis game

>is every bit as good as it was in 1976, and today, I refuse aspirin.

>

>I just read the Environmental Nutrition homepage and a couple of back

>issues.

>I. would bet that 99% of the people in this group substantially agree

>with the above opinion

>and will not change due to mainstream, allopathically based data like

>that put out

>by them.

>

>Jim

>

>a1thighmaster wrote:

>

> > In the January 2006 edition of " Environmental Nutrition " I read the

> > following article reprinted from the October 2005 issue of " The Lancet

> > Nuerology " :

> >

> > " People who exercised at least twice a week in middle age were 60%

> > less likely to develop Alzheimer's disease when they got older. That's

> > what researchers at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden found when they

> > looked for signs of dementia in nearly 1,500 people after an average

> > of 21 years. Walking and cycling were the most popular exercises. The

> > people who benefited most had a genetic predisposition for

> > Alzheimer's. Exercise may decrease risk by improving blood flow to the

> > brain and transmission of brain, suggest the researchers "

> >

> > I've seen more articles on exercise being proven as a longevity factor

> > than anything else. I like exercise better than taking a lot of

> > expensive and relatively unproven supplements.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Celeste

> >

> > Brown wrote:

> > > Even if one is predisposed to Alzheimer's - it will be some time

> > > before a reliable test for such is readily available - we know, from

> > > previous posts here and information elsewhere, that a number of

> > > interventions can help to prevent it. Most of these should work in

> > > those predisposed or those not predisposed to it, including keeping

> > > blood sugar low and using a number of supplements like

> > > phosphatidyl-serine and phosphatidyl-choline and galantamine and

> > > lef.org's Cognitex formula and the herb gotu kola and curry (turmeric

> > > etc.) and the drug deprenyl.

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone. I'm searching for bulk suppliers for Calcium & minerals

(for purpose of cost reduction). Does anyone have ideas or thoughts

about a supplier? I prefer capsules/tablets for convenience... but am

open to ideas about powder form too. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone. I'm searching for bulk suppliers for Calcium & minerals

(for purpose of cost reduction). Does anyone have ideas or thoughts

about a supplier? I prefer capsules/tablets for convenience... but am

open to ideas about powder form too. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Here is one, posted before:

http://www.nutri.com/cgi-bin/sitesearch?q=calcium

At 04:06 AM 8/16/2006, you wrote:

>Hello everyone. I'm searching for bulk suppliers for Calcium & minerals

>(for purpose of cost reduction). Does anyone have ideas or thoughts

>about a supplier? I prefer capsules/tablets for convenience... but am

>open to ideas about powder form too. Thanks.

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

I do not have a source, but I am wondering why anyone with your depth

of knowledge would be taking large quantities of Ca. I am to the point

that I avoid it entirely except the small amount in the Krebs Cycle

Chelates that I take. Any other source or amount gives me horrible

muscle cramps and I know that I can't be the only one with that result.

If you have one episode, I know that you will see it my way.

As for trace minerals, I am still convinced that plant sourced liquid

colloidal minerals are the safest and best form. I buy 3 gallons of it

for $100 from Natures RX with free shipping. My golden retriever Axel

and I have taken a shot glass/ day since almost the beginning of time.

By the way, those 4 " long x 1 " growths on Axel's belly and side that

I reported last week just went away! I am guessing that they were

swollen glands.

Jim.

Brown wrote:

> Here is one, posted before:

>

> http://www.nutri.com/cgi-bin/sitesearch?q=calcium

> <http://www.nutri.com/cgi-bin/sitesearch?q=calcium>

>

> At 04:06 AM 8/16/2006, you wrote:

>

> >Hello everyone. I'm searching for bulk suppliers for Calcium & minerals

> >(for purpose of cost reduction). Does anyone have ideas or thoughts

> >about a supplier? I prefer capsules/tablets for convenience... but am

> >open to ideas about powder form too. Thanks.

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

The price looks good.

I'm trying to decide if I should bring some colloidal silver with me on a

cruise since I have to fly first. The last cruise I went on I took some with

me just in case. Cruises are notorious for giving " bugs " to passengers that

cause intestinal problems. Colloidal silver kills the little beasties.

--

Steve - dudescholar2@...

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still

march on. "

--Stopford

On Wednesday 16 August 2006 2:49 pm, Jim wrote:

> :

>

> I do not have a source, but I am wondering why anyone with your depth

> of knowledge would be taking large quantities of Ca. I am to the point

> that I avoid it entirely except the small amount in the Krebs Cycle

> Chelates that I take. Any other source or amount gives me horrible

> muscle cramps and I know that I can't be the only one with that result.

> If you have one episode, I know that you will see it my way.

>

> As for trace minerals, I am still convinced that plant sourced liquid

> colloidal minerals are the safest and best form. I buy 3 gallons of it

> for $100 from Natures RX with free shipping. My golden retriever Axel

> and I have taken a shot glass/ day since almost the beginning of time.

>

> By the way, those 4 " long x 1 " growths on Axel's belly and side that

> I reported last week just went away! I am guessing that they were

> swollen glands.

>

> Jim.

>

> Brown wrote:

> > Here is one, posted before:

> >

> > http://www.nutri.com/cgi-bin/sitesearch?q=calcium

> > <http://www.nutri.com/cgi-bin/sitesearch?q=calcium>

> >

> > At 04:06 AM 8/16/2006, you wrote:

> > >Hello everyone. I'm searching for bulk suppliers for Calcium & minerals

> > >(for purpose of cost reduction). Does anyone have ideas or thoughts

> > >about a supplier? I prefer capsules/tablets for convenience... but am

> > >open to ideas about powder form too. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim:

That's great news about Axel. I've been thinking about him since you

reported it, wondering if he was doing better. I'm happy for both of you.

I don't take large amounts of calcium. I was responding to a request

for a source of bulk Calcium. I take liquid (plant source) chelates

too from Hub research in Utah, 4 gallons for $100. I do take a macro

mineral supplement too with Calcium, magnesium, potassium, boron,

silica ... but not in huge doses. I also take copper and selenium.

At 01:49 PM 8/16/2006, you wrote:

>:

>

>I do not have a source, but I am wondering why anyone with your depth

>of knowledge would be taking large quantities of Ca. I am to the point

>that I avoid it entirely except the small amount in the Krebs Cycle

>Chelates that I take. Any other source or amount gives me horrible

>muscle cramps and I know that I can't be the only one with that result.

>If you have one episode, I know that you will see it my way.

>

>As for trace minerals, I am still convinced that plant sourced liquid

>colloidal minerals are the safest and best form. I buy 3 gallons of it

>for $100 from Natures RX with free shipping. My golden retriever Axel

>and I have taken a shot glass/ day since almost the beginning of time.

>

>By the way, those 4 " long x 1 " growths on Axel's belly and side that

>I reported last week just went away! I am guessing that they were

>swollen glands.

>

>Jim.

>

> Brown wrote:

>

> > Here is one, posted before:

> >

> >

>

<http://www.nutri.com/cgi-bin/sitesearch?q=calcium>http://www.nutri.com/cgi-bin/\

sitesearch?q=calcium

>

> > <http://www.nutri.com/cgi-bin/sitesearch?q=calcium>

> >

> > At 04:06 AM 8/16/2006, you wrote:

> >

> > >Hello everyone. I'm searching for bulk suppliers for Calcium & minerals

> > >(for purpose of cost reduction). Does anyone have ideas or thoughts

> > >about a supplier? I prefer capsules/tablets for convenience... but am

> > >open to ideas about powder form too. Thanks.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi:

I've been reading negative things about colloidal silver. I am

thinking of only using it topically in the future. It seems to

accumulate in the body and can cause a permanent discoloration of the

skin according to some of things I've read. Colloidal silver can

also kill the good lactobacillus strains in the gut too. I usually

use a probiotic to counteract e coli infections in foreign

countries. There are several now that are pretty stable at room

temperature, it is probably best to refrigerate them if you can, but

they last quite a while at room temp.

At 03:06 PM 8/16/2006, you wrote:

>The price looks good.

>

>I'm trying to decide if I should bring some colloidal silver with me on a

>cruise since I have to fly first. The last cruise I went on I took some with

>me just in case. Cruises are notorious for giving " bugs " to passengers that

>cause intestinal problems. Colloidal silver kills the little beasties.

>

>--

>

>Steve - <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@...

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still

>march on. "

>--Stopford

>

>On Wednesday 16 August 2006 2:49 pm, Jim wrote:

> > :

> >

> > I do not have a source, but I am wondering why anyone with your depth

> > of knowledge would be taking large quantities of Ca. I am to the point

> > that I avoid it entirely except the small amount in the Krebs Cycle

> > Chelates that I take. Any other source or amount gives me horrible

> > muscle cramps and I know that I can't be the only one with that result.

> > If you have one episode, I know that you will see it my way.

> >

> > As for trace minerals, I am still convinced that plant sourced liquid

> > colloidal minerals are the safest and best form. I buy 3 gallons of it

> > for $100 from Natures RX with free shipping. My golden retriever Axel

> > and I have taken a shot glass/ day since almost the beginning of time.

> >

> > By the way, those 4 " long x 1 " growths on Axel's belly and side that

> > I reported last week just went away! I am guessing that they were

> > swollen glands.

> >

> > Jim.

> >

> > Brown wrote:

> > > Here is one, posted before:

> > >

> > >

>

<http://www.nutri.com/cgi-bin/sitesearch?q=calcium>http://www.nutri.com/cgi-bin/\

sitesearch?q=calcium

> > > <http://www.nutri.com/cgi-bin/sitesearch?q=calcium>

> > >

> > > At 04:06 AM 8/16/2006, you wrote:

> > > >Hello everyone. I'm searching for bulk suppliers for Calcium & minerals

> > > >(for purpose of cost reduction). Does anyone have ideas or thoughts

> > > >about a supplier? I prefer capsules/tablets for convenience... but am

> > > >open to ideas about powder form too. Thanks.

>

>