Re: Lifewave Energy Patches

[Guest guest]

I found a lot of misleading claims and other misinformation about this

product at http://www.lifewave.com. None of their claims are supported

by any clinical trials or scientific research. Both Morehouse

and Troy State University have disavowed the alleged clinical trials.

The manufacturer states that there is no nanotechnology involved in

the manufacture of their patches. Yet Lifewave talks about the

" organic nanotechnology structures " in their product as if they really

existed there.

Schmidt and his pals at Lifewave decided to chicken out of the

$1,000,000 challenge offered by the Randi Educational

Foundation. You can read about that at

http://www.randi.org/jr/050605free.html#3 . You can also read what a

real scientist had to say about Lifewave's " technology " doublespeak at

http://www.hawaiionline.biz/surrey.htm .

The whole Lifewave thing is pretty laughable, except for those who are

believing the con.

Best regards,

Celeste

Duncan Crow wrote:

> Just a note that many athletes also strive to manipulate and burn fat

> stores. This releases 50% more aerobic energy. To accomodate this, a

> new energy therapy called Lifewave energy patches were invented and

> shown to increase ouptut, measured in reps, by many times, by this

> mechanism. The book, The Lifewave Phenomenon by Ragnar details

> the approach.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Posted by: " a1thighmaster " thighmaster@... a1thighmaster

> Date: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:51 pm (PDT)

> The whole Lifewave thing is pretty laughable, except for those who are

> believing the con.

>

> Best regards,

> Celeste

Maybe there's more to LifeWave than meet the eye of the casual

observer. Ragnar is a internationally reknowned martial

artist who netted several times the reps himself than he could

usually do. I for one defer to the ability and first hand

observation of this professional athlete.

Similarly, Steve Haltiwanger MD, Joe Mercola MD, Dr. Leonard

Horowitz, and many high-end peformers use and endorse the

product. This would suggest that if you believed in LifeWave

you'd be in good company. I would neither call their experience

with " the Lifewave thing " laughable, nor their comments a con.

Negative comments from the comfort of one's computer desk smack

of behind-the-back one-upmanship or perhaps defamation of

character. Maybe uninformed attack or criticism makes you feel

better, maybe it's only a regional cultural thing that can be

forgiven. I think though that most readers can recognize such as

only a stance that is nowhere near where the rubber meets the

road of practical application in health.

Referring back to Ragnar's testimonial of a five times

increase in repetitions, even a 20% increase would be fantastic

in a body builder who knows to within about two reps what he can

usually do.

Time to rethink, perhaps?

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Not even close. Ragnar could easily falsify his results. Also,

every athlete has good days and bad days. Testimonials are the last

thing I would rely on for convincing evidence of any product's efficacy.

Why did Schmidt and his pals at Lifewave decided to chicken out

of the $1,000,000 challenge offered by the Randi Educational

Foundation? If the science is good and the technology is sound then it

should have been a slam dunk.

Best regards,

Celeste

Duncan Crow wrote:

> Referring back to Ragnar's testimonial of a five times

> increase in repetitions, even a 20% increase would be fantastic

> in a body builder who knows to within about two reps what he can

> usually do.

>

> Time to rethink, perhaps?

[Guest guest]

> " a1thighmaster " <thighmaster@...> wrote:

> Why did Schmidt and his pals at Lifewave decided to chicken out

> of the $1,000,000 challenge offered by the Randi Educational

> Foundation? If the science is good and the technology is sound then

it

> should have been a slam dunk.

>

Challenges and low blows are typical of the industry especially when

money or positioning are involved. It doesn't give me a reason to

speculate what anyone is thinking.

Meanwhile many people benefit first hand; to them, theoretical

arguments have no weight at all.

Duncan

[Guest guest]

It was Schmidt who initiated contact with Randi.

Randi did not challenge Schmidt. Perhaps you didn't understand

the nature of the challenge.

In an MLM I'm sure that many people benefit first hand from the sale

of this overpriced product. I avoid buying from MLMs simply because

the products are always overpriced. Each upline level has to get their

share.

Best regards,

Celeste

Duncan Crow wrote:

> Challenges and low blows are typical of the industry especially when

> money or positioning are involved. It doesn't give me a reason to

> speculate what anyone is thinking.

>

> Meanwhile many people benefit first hand; to them, theoretical

> arguments have no weight at all.

>

> Celeste wrote:

> > Why did Schmidt and his pals at Lifewave decided to chicken out

> > of the $1,000,000 challenge offered by the Randi Educational

> > Foundation? If the science is good and the technology is sound then

> it

> > should have been a slam dunk.

[Guest guest]

> Posted by: " a1thighmaster " thighmaster@... a1thighmaster

> Date: Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:29 pm (PDT)

>

> It was Schmidt who initiated contact with Randi.

> Randi did not challenge Schmidt. Perhaps you didn't understand

> the nature of the challenge.

>

> In an MLM I'm sure that many people benefit first hand from the sale

> of this overpriced product. I avoid buying from MLMs simply because

> the products are always overpriced. Each upline level has to get their

> share.

>

> Best regards,

> Celeste

Celeste, perhaps you didn't understand that I have a noncommittal

attitude on what business posturing or event has taken place,

that the company happened to choose an MLM buiness model, and any

other aspect of their business. None of that matters to me; my

comment was solely regarding the product.

What people like about it is that it arrives in the mail and it

makes a difference. That's how some big names got involved, in

most cases after being very skeptical.

Locally, my father, who is still recovering from a supposedly

incurable, fatal mitochondrial disorder, feels more energy when

wearing Lifewave energy patches. The energy patches have also

removed the pain of a fibromyalgia sufferer, and also added more

repetitions to a local weightlifter's workout, even with the

wrong patch placement. Pretty good, albeit subjective.

Better patch placement according to energy points is detailed in

Ragnar's book the LifeWave Phenomenon.

Duncan

[Guest guest]

I'm afraid I have not been following this " energy patch " discussion

close enough to have seen if the basic ingredients of this patch have

been spoken about. Patent or not it would seem SOME sort of ingredient

list should be available, aside from the particulars of it's delivery

system.

Thanks,

bb

[Guest guest]

> bbburtnick@... wrote:

>

> Patent or not it would seem SOME sort of ingredient

> list should be available, aside from the particulars of it's delivery

> system.

> Thanks,

> bb

>

bb, LifeWave patches are an external energy therapy; there are no

physical molecules delivered. Disclosure on an ingredients list is for

internally-used products.

Duncan

[Guest guest]

I think that your " noncommittal attitude " is naive. People buy in to

an MLM in order to make money. Sometimes they also believe in the

product(s), but mostly it's just business. Because each MLM member has

money invested in the business it is in their best interest to speak

only in glowing terms about " their " product. Otherwise they will not

only not make any money, but they will lose their initial investment.

Therefore, any testimonials are suspect.

Your father's experience may or may not have anything to do with his

use of LifeWave patches. There's no proof that there's any connection

to his perception of more energy. And it may only be a perception and

not a reality. There are no clinical studies that show any

effectiveness for the LifeWave products. There is no objective proof

whatsoever for either the " technology " or its supposed results. There

has not even been any demonstration of the " technology " .

Best regards,

Celeste

Duncan Crow wrote:

> Celeste, perhaps you didn't understand that I have a noncommittal

> attitude on what business posturing or event has taken place,

> that the company happened to choose an MLM buiness model, and any

> other aspect of their business. None of that matters to me; my

> comment was solely regarding the product.

>

> Locally, my father, who is still recovering from a supposedly

> incurable, fatal mitochondrial disorder, feels more energy when

> wearing Lifewave energy patches.

>

> Celeste wrote:

> > In an MLM I'm sure that many people benefit first hand from the sale

> > of this overpriced product. I avoid buying from MLMs simply because

> > the products are always overpriced. Each upline level has to get their

> > share.

[Guest guest]

> Posted by: " a1thighmaster " thighmaster@... a1thighmaster

> Date: Tue Jul 4, 2006 12:03 pm (PDT)

> There are no clinical studies that show any

> effectiveness for the LifeWave products. There is no objective proof

> whatsoever for either the " technology " or its supposed results. There

> has not even been any demonstration of the " technology " .

>

> Best regards,

> Celeste

Armchair tomfoolery needs no objective proof either. Clinical

studies do not exist to support a lot of health products, and

clinical studies that do exist and prove many drugs are dangerous

and ineffective are ignored so the drugs can be marketed.

When people are getting well, that's objective proof; objective

by the one-to-many relationship by which a practitioner or doctor

can spot the trends.

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Yes, and there is no objective proof that anyone is " getting well " (or

anything else) using Lifewave patches.

Best regards,

Celeste

Duncan Crow wrote:

> When people are getting well, that's objective proof; objective

> by the one-to-many relationship by which a practitioner or doctor

> can spot the trends.

>

> Celeste wrote:

> > There are no clinical studies that show any

> > effectiveness for the LifeWave products. There is no objective proof

> > whatsoever for either the " technology " or its supposed results. There

> > has not even been any demonstration of the " technology " .