Re: Re: bone density mineralization secret

July 19, 2006

Hi:

The minerals correspond with my understanding, except that I wasn't

aware of the borax labelled as " ant poison. " I can't take a lot of

acorbic acid in its raw state, it upsets my digestion. I usually

take Vit C as mineral ascorbates as found in EmergenC and other

similar products. You get the minerals and the C in the same shot,

assuming that they absorb and break down accordingly in the body. I

believe that some tests indicate that they do.

At 12:50 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote:

> > Brown <scotflyr@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Duncan:

> >

> > Great post, I totally agree. Do you know a good mineral supplement

> > that combines all those elements in a readily absorbable form?

>

>I have no preferred product but I can tell you that a lot of people

>were using borax or in AU, borax labelled 'ant poison' to get the

>boron, and buying strontium as citrate. Vanadium often comes with

>chromium because chromium is helpful for keeping cravings and insulin

>sensitivity down. The chromium as I've mentioned is polynicotinate

>in our stores in Canada. The SomaLife to increase HGH release comes

>only from SomaLife.

>

>The most readily absorbable form of calcium and magnesium are

>orotate, secondly as aspartate, thirdly I think as citrate; I think

>boron would be most available as aspartate. With these forms I think

>there is little or no waste so the dose wouldn't have to be very

>high. Vitamin C is best for the stomach when given as ascorbic acid.

>

>Duncan

>

July 19, 2006

Hi:

I can't wait to do the research and read the journals. Thanks! It

is a pleasure to meet you too, Duncan.

At 02:14 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote:

>Now I undestand why you twigged to the Becker research, . It's a

>pleasure to meet you, even online.

>

>It's a shame Becker's research funding dried up around the time he

>spoke out against HAARP and that big underground antenna near the

>Great Lakes with which they communicate well into the Atlantic over

>earth frequency. He had been a key scientific advisor to the US

>military fo years.

>

>Anyway, he had just got to regenerating a rat's forelimb with the

>method after it was amputated leaving a stump below the shoulder.

>

>Duncan

>

> > wrote:

> > I was involved in NASA research that also determined that a small DC

> > current across a healing fracture accelerates the healing and the

> > strength of the healed bone. Bone remineralization depends on and

> > thrives with electrical current.

>

July 19, 2006

Hi:

As I said before, I pay less than $2.50 per IU for injectable or just

over $100 per month for 1.5 units per day of rHgh. If you want to

know my source, write me off list (scotflyr@...).

What IGF1 levels do you see after 6 months on SomaLife gHP? I

believe it was one o the ones I tried and in less than two weeks, as

with all the other secretagogues, I had extreme nasal allergies and

had to stop.

At 04:29 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote:

>Apricot:

>

>In a word, yes, when HGH values fall you will only be able to repair

>at a rate that reflects your natural HGH secretion as it subsides and

>levels off; that will include bone generation because all cells rely

>on HGH in the receptor sites.

>

>But the whole organism including bones doesn't depreciate very fast

>because the new level of HGH secretion should reflect the younger

>biolgical age afforded by many months of HGH elevation and resulting

>restoration of the frame, tissues, organs and glands. Depreciation

>can be accelerated of course by bad diet and lifestyle, low

>antioxidant pool and so on as usual.

>

>In practice, the longevity seekers I've met get anxious about

>allowing the depreciation to occur so they do a short booster program

>every couple of years if they stop the program at all in the first

>place.

>

>Adequate nutrients are essential, as is exercise.

>

>How do rHGH injections compare costwise to about $83 monthly USD, the

>price of SomaLife gHP amino acids with shipping? We're getting good

>results with it, but I am aware that HGH injectable is getting

>cheaper.

>

>Duncan Crow

>

> > Apricot85 <apricot85@...> wrote:

> >

> > Duncan

> > About rHGH for osteoporosis. I know that when rHGH stops, that any

> > benefits that the body achieve stop, & the body returns to the

> > pre-treatment state. Do you know offhand if bone density would

>also

> > return to pre-treatment state if rHGH injection treatment stopped?

> >

> > I ask because I am osteopenic & osteoporosis runs in my family. I

> > agree strongly with you about getting adequate nutrients... I

>believe

> > nothing can help without first getting sufficient nutrients

> > .

>

July 20, 2006

> wrote:

> What IGF1 levels do you see after 6 months on SomaLife gHP? I

> believe it was one o the ones I tried and in less than two weeks, as

> with all the other secretagogues, I had extreme nasal allergies and

> had to stop.

>

IGF-1 is best measured as a peak response to the dose. The

Isidori study from 1991 that measured that response is on my

website: http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html

I have no measurements. I do know that as a practical matter,

gains continue to mount for about 2 years or a little more in

most people, and that the doctors claim that as one recovers and

becomes biologically younger the hormonal levels tend to be

appropriate for that more youthful body even when the HGH

supplement is withdrawn.

Because pure amino acids are non-allergenic on their own, I'd

look for another trigger for your allergic symptoms. The two most

common triggers I've found are toxin load caused by bowel

dysbiosis and inflammation caused by excess omega-6 oil in the

diet and not enough omega-3 EPA and DHA (NO, flax oil doesn't

deliver those adequately). Also, the Herxheimer effect (healing

reaction) is often mistaken for an sensitivity response.

Duncan

July 20, 2006

Hi:

That's excellent information, Duncan. I have the following to say in

response to what you said.

I eat lots of fish and take purified supplements with ample amounts

of DHA and Omega-3 EPA. I do some periodic bowel cleansing using the

Gearson methods of coffee and veg juice enemas. I also do oral

chelation using Gerry Gordon's formula. Having said that, I still

wouldn't discount that it could be a healing reaction or other toxic

reaction of some sort. It may be that I need more cleanising of some type.

No matter which hormone secretagogue I've tried that has known,

proven results the same thing occurs. Of interest is that when I was

younger, until the age of 24, I had periodic allergies and these

responses to the secretagogues feel and act very much the same.

Another possibility, postulated by my Doc, is that it is a corrupted

mechanism in the pathway that stimulates the hypothalamus and

pituitary to secrete GH. It is a pathway with several steps and

there may be a partial blockage in my body for some reason - giving

off an allergenic compound.

How would you suggest that I investigate this further? One of the

people I respect greatly in this field is Fowkes, of

http://www.ceri.com and he suggests that even for those of us who

use injectable HgH, it is a good idea to rotate the secretagogues

with the injectable to both enhance the dose and to make certain that

the stimulatory pathway is kept active. He suggested that I try 3-4

different secretagogues and alternate those on a daily basis with

injectable to see if that made the seemingly allergic reaction go

away. I have yet to try that. It is just a little too complicated

for me to try at this point as my supplement regimen is extremely

complex as it is.

Another interesting point is that on occasion I get seemingly the

same reaction to a temporarily higher than normal protein diet or

diet rich in certain types of protein. This happened most recently

when I went to Japan for 3 weeks and ate tons of susi, which I

love. Toward the end of the stay, I had a strong allergic

reaction. Reducing the susi stopped the reaction, just as removing

the secretagogues does.

At 02:55 PM 7/20/2006, you wrote:

> > wrote:

> > What IGF1 levels do you see after 6 months on SomaLife gHP? I

> > believe it was one o the ones I tried and in less than two weeks, as

> > with all the other secretagogues, I had extreme nasal allergies and

> > had to stop.

> >

>

>IGF-1 is best measured as a peak response to the dose. The

>Isidori study from 1991 that measured that response is on my

>website:

><http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html>http://members.shaw.ca/\

SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html

>

>I have no measurements. I do know that as a practical matter,

>gains continue to mount for about 2 years or a little more in

>most people, and that the doctors claim that as one recovers and

>becomes biologically younger the hormonal levels tend to be

>appropriate for that more youthful body even when the HGH

>supplement is withdrawn.

>

>Because pure amino acids are non-allergenic on their own, I'd

>look for another trigger for your allergic symptoms. The two most

>common triggers I've found are toxin load caused by bowel

>dysbiosis and inflammation caused by excess omega-6 oil in the

>diet and not enough omega-3 EPA and DHA (NO, flax oil doesn't

>deliver those adequately). Also, the Herxheimer effect (healing

>reaction) is often mistaken for an sensitivity response.

>

>Duncan

>

July 21, 2006

Hi :

Love your posts... you possess a great attitude.

Its interesting that you do Gerson's cleansing method. I have never

heard or read about anyone using it except in relation to cancer treatment.

Along that line, Gerson's emphasis on carrot juice was no fluke. I keep a

REDOX/ ORP meter on hand and have found that Carrot juice has the lowest

ORP of any juice that I have tested at -200 mv, so if ORP is a factor,

carrot

juice is very good when it comes to removing free radicals.

The lowest ORP (most powerful) that I have ever encountered comes from

a cup of Green tea

spiked with two of Dr. Flanagan's MegaHydrate tablets... at

-900mg..

I find that any more tablets makes no difference. In the process, the

surface of the tea

releases sizable amount of a flammable surface gas... not sure what it

is, but when touched by a match,

there is a slight explosion. I drink several cups of this a day and get

a nice boost from it.

By the way, green tea (alone) ORP is -50 as is red wine and my drinking

water,

from a good deep well, is around 150. Once I run my water through a

reverse osmosis

filter, the ORP goes up about 100mv. So filters are not a good thing

if you can avoid them.

I don't calibarate my meter, so these numbers are relative.

Brown wrote:

> Hi:

>

> That's excellent information, Duncan. I have the following to say in

> response to what you said.

>

> I eat lots of fish and take purified supplements with ample amounts

> of DHA and Omega-3 EPA. I do some periodic bowel cleansing using the

> Gearson methods of coffee and veg juice enemas. I also do oral

> chelation using Gerry Gordon's formula. Having said that, I still

> wouldn't discount that it could be a healing reaction or other toxic

> reaction of some sort. It may be that I need more cleanising of some type.

>

> No matter which hormone secretagogue I've tried that has known,

> proven results the same thing occurs. Of interest is that when I was

> younger, until the age of 24, I had periodic allergies and these

> responses to the secretagogues feel and act very much the same.

>

> Another possibility, postulated by my Doc, is that it is a corrupted

> mechanism in the pathway that stimulates the hypothalamus and

> pituitary to secrete GH. It is a pathway with several steps and

> there may be a partial blockage in my body for some reason - giving

> off an allergenic compound.

>

> How would you suggest that I investigate this further? One of the

> people I respect greatly in this field is Fowkes, of

> http://www.ceri.com <http://www.ceri.com> and he suggests that even

> for those of us who

> use injectable HgH, it is a good idea to rotate the secretagogues

> with the injectable to both enhance the dose and to make certain that

> the stimulatory pathway is kept active. He suggested that I try 3-4

> different secretagogues and alternate those on a daily basis with

> injectable to see if that made the seemingly allergic reaction go

> away. I have yet to try that. It is just a little too complicated

> for me to try at this point as my supplement regimen is extremely

> complex as it is.

>

> Another interesting point is that on occasion I get seemingly the

> same reaction to a temporarily higher than normal protein diet or

> diet rich in certain types of protein. This happened most recently

> when I went to Japan for 3 weeks and ate tons of susi, which I

> love. Toward the end of the stay, I had a strong allergic

> reaction. Reducing the susi stopped the reaction, just as removing

> the secretagogues does.

>

> At 02:55 PM 7/20/2006, you wrote:

>

> > > wrote:

> > > What IGF1 levels do you see after 6 months on SomaLife gHP? I

> > > believe it was one o the ones I tried and in less than two weeks, as

> > > with all the other secretagogues, I had extreme nasal allergies and

> > > had to stop.

> > >

> >

> >IGF-1 is best measured as a peak response to the dose. The

> >Isidori study from 1991 that measured that response is on my

> >website:

> ><http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html

>

<http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html>>http://members.shaw.ca/\

SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html

> <http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html>

> >

> >I have no measurements. I do know that as a practical matter,

> >gains continue to mount for about 2 years or a little more in

> >most people, and that the doctors claim that as one recovers and

> >becomes biologically younger the hormonal levels tend to be

> >appropriate for that more youthful body even when the HGH

> >supplement is withdrawn.

> >

> >Because pure amino acids are non-allergenic on their own, I'd

> >look for another trigger for your allergic symptoms. The two most

> >common triggers I've found are toxin load caused by bowel

> >dysbiosis and inflammation caused by excess omega-6 oil in the

> >diet and not enough omega-3 EPA and DHA (NO, flax oil doesn't

> >deliver those adequately). Also, the Herxheimer effect (healing

> >reaction) is often mistaken for an sensitivity response.

> >

> >Duncan

> >

>

July 21, 2006

Hi:

What model/brand ORP meter do you have and what did it cost? Green

tea with Megahydrin gives off flammable gas? If it were hydrogen, it

would rise quickly and probably not be noticeable so it seems more

likely that it would be methane, which is slightly heavier than

oxygen and nitrogen and would stay long enough to accumulate. Both

are odorless.

At 07:55 AM 7/21/2006, you wrote:

>Hi :

>

>Love your posts... you possess a great attitude.

>

>Its interesting that you do Gerson's cleansing method. I have never

>heard or read about anyone using it except in relation to cancer treatment.

>Along that line, Gerson's emphasis on carrot juice was no fluke. I keep a

>REDOX/ ORP meter on hand and have found that Carrot juice has the lowest

>ORP of any juice that I have tested at -200 mv, so if ORP is a factor,

>carrot

>juice is very good when it comes to removing free radicals.

>

>The lowest ORP (most powerful) that I have ever encountered comes from

>a cup of Green tea

>spiked with two of Dr. Flanagan's MegaHydrate tablets... at

>-900mg..

>I find that any more tablets makes no difference. In the process, the

>surface of the tea

>releases sizable amount of a flammable surface gas... not sure what it

>is, but when touched by a match,

>there is a slight explosion. I drink several cups of this a day and get

>a nice boost from it.

>By the way, green tea (alone) ORP is -50 as is red wine and my drinking

>water,

>from a good deep well, is around 150. Once I run my water through a

>reverse osmosis

>filter, the ORP goes up about 100mv. So filters are not a good thing

>if you can avoid them.

>

>I don't calibarate my meter, so these numbers are relative.

>

> Brown wrote:

>

> > Hi:

> >

> > That's excellent information, Duncan. I have the following to say in

> > response to what you said.

> >

> > I eat lots of fish and take purified supplements with ample amounts

> > of DHA and Omega-3 EPA. I do some periodic bowel cleansing using the

> > Gearson methods of coffee and veg juice enemas. I also do oral

> > chelation using Gerry Gordon's formula. Having said that, I still

> > wouldn't discount that it could be a healing reaction or other toxic

> > reaction of some sort. It may be that I need more cleanising of some type.

> >

> > No matter which hormone secretagogue I've tried that has known,

> > proven results the same thing occurs. Of interest is that when I was

> > younger, until the age of 24, I had periodic allergies and these

> > responses to the secretagogues feel and act very much the same.

> >

> > Another possibility, postulated by my Doc, is that it is a corrupted

> > mechanism in the pathway that stimulates the hypothalamus and

> > pituitary to secrete GH. It is a pathway with several steps and

> > there may be a partial blockage in my body for some reason - giving

> > off an allergenic compound.

> >

> > How would you suggest that I investigate this further? One of the

> > people I respect greatly in this field is Fowkes, of

> > <http://www.ceri.com>http://www.ceri.com <http://www.ceri.com>

> and he suggests that even

> > for those of us who

> > use injectable HgH, it is a good idea to rotate the secretagogues

> > with the injectable to both enhance the dose and to make certain that

> > the stimulatory pathway is kept active. He suggested that I try 3-4

> > different secretagogues and alternate those on a daily basis with

> > injectable to see if that made the seemingly allergic reaction go

> > away. I have yet to try that. It is just a little too complicated

> > for me to try at this point as my supplement regimen is extremely

> > complex as it is.

> >

> > Another interesting point is that on occasion I get seemingly the

> > same reaction to a temporarily higher than normal protein diet or

> > diet rich in certain types of protein. This happened most recently

> > when I went to Japan for 3 weeks and ate tons of susi, which I

> > love. Toward the end of the stay, I had a strong allergic

> > reaction. Reducing the susi stopped the reaction, just as removing

> > the secretagogues does.

> >

> > At 02:55 PM 7/20/2006, you wrote:

> >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > What IGF1 levels do you see after 6 months on SomaLife gHP? I

> > > > believe it was one o the ones I tried and in less than two weeks, as

> > > > with all the other secretagogues, I had extreme nasal allergies and

> > > > had to stop.

> > > >

> > >

> > >IGF-1 is best measured as a peak response to the dose. The

> > >Isidori study from 1991 that measured that response is on my

> > >website:

> > ><<http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html>http://m

> embers.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html

> >

>

<http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html>><http://members.shaw.ca\

/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html>http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_stu\

dy.html

>

> > <http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html>

> > >

> > >I have no measurements. I do know that as a practical matter,

> > >gains continue to mount for about 2 years or a little more in

> > >most people, and that the doctors claim that as one recovers and

> > >becomes biologically younger the hormonal levels tend to be

> > >appropriate for that more youthful body even when the HGH

> > >supplement is withdrawn.

> > >

> > >Because pure amino acids are non-allergenic on their own, I'd

> > >look for another trigger for your allergic symptoms. The two most

> > >common triggers I've found are toxin load caused by bowel

> > >dysbiosis and inflammation caused by excess omega-6 oil in the

> > >diet and not enough omega-3 EPA and DHA (NO, flax oil doesn't

> > >deliver those adequately). Also, the Herxheimer effect (healing

> > >reaction) is often mistaken for an sensitivity response.

> > >

> > >Duncan

> > >

> >

July 21, 2006

:

I have several REDOX meters, but the one that I use (because I like its

response time)

is blue and has no name on it I paid about $45 for this one.

I bought them all from various sites on EBay.

As to the gas created: Yes. I just checked it out and have found that

it is also

produced in hot tap water, but at much smaller quantities.

If you watch the Joe Cell videos, you will see that they produce a gas

that results in a huge implosion... and you can certainly see the gas

coming off

of the top of the cell. Since there is no organic material in the

water, how

would they produce methane? No one really knows what the gas is as far

as I know. When a bubble is imploded, it sets the cell back to stage

I, so doing

it is not popular.

Jim

Brown wrote:

> Hi:

>

> What model/brand ORP meter do you have and what did it cost? Green

> tea with Megahydrin gives off flammable gas? If it were hydrogen, it

> would rise quickly and probably not be noticeable so it seems more

> likely that it would be methane, which is slightly heavier than

> oxygen and nitrogen and would stay long enough to accumulate. Both

> are odorless.

>

> At 07:55 AM 7/21/2006, you wrote:

>

> >Hi :

> >

> >Love your posts... you possess a great attitude.

> >

> >Its interesting that you do Gerson's cleansing method. I have never

> >heard or read about anyone using it except in relation to cancer

> treatment.

> >Along that line, Gerson's emphasis on carrot juice was no fluke. I keep a

> >REDOX/ ORP meter on hand and have found that Carrot juice has the lowest

> >ORP of any juice that I have tested at -200 mv, so if ORP is a factor,

> >carrot

> >juice is very good when it comes to removing free radicals.

> >

> >The lowest ORP (most powerful) that I have ever encountered comes from

> >a cup of Green tea

> >spiked with two of Dr. Flanagan's MegaHydrate tablets... at

> >-900mg..

> >I find that any more tablets makes no difference. In the process, the

> >surface of the tea

> >releases sizable amount of a flammable surface gas... not sure what it

> >is, but when touched by a match,

> >there is a slight explosion. I drink several cups of this a day and get

> >a nice boost from it.

> >By the way, green tea (alone) ORP is -50 as is red wine and my drinking

> >water,

> >from a good deep well, is around 150. Once I run my water through a

> >reverse osmosis

> >filter, the ORP goes up about 100mv. So filters are not a good thing

> >if you can avoid them.

> >

> >I don't calibarate my meter, so these numbers are relative.

> >

> > Brown wrote:

> >

> > > Hi:

> > >

> > > That's excellent information, Duncan. I have the following to say in

> > > response to what you said.

> > >

> > > I eat lots of fish and take purified supplements with ample amounts

> > > of DHA and Omega-3 EPA. I do some periodic bowel cleansing using the

> > > Gearson methods of coffee and veg juice enemas. I also do oral

> > > chelation using Gerry Gordon's formula. Having said that, I still

> > > wouldn't discount that it could be a healing reaction or other toxic

> > > reaction of some sort. It may be that I need more cleanising of

> some type.

> > >

> > > No matter which hormone secretagogue I've tried that has known,

> > > proven results the same thing occurs. Of interest is that when I was

> > > younger, until the age of 24, I had periodic allergies and these

> > > responses to the secretagogues feel and act very much the same.

> > >

> > > Another possibility, postulated by my Doc, is that it is a corrupted

> > > mechanism in the pathway that stimulates the hypothalamus and

> > > pituitary to secrete GH. It is a pathway with several steps and

> > > there may be a partial blockage in my body for some reason - giving

> > > off an allergenic compound.

> > >

> > > How would you suggest that I investigate this further? One of the

> > > people I respect greatly in this field is Fowkes, of

> > > <http://www.ceri.com <http://www.ceri.com>>http://www.ceri.com

> <http://www.ceri.com> <http://www.ceri.com <http://www.ceri.com>>

> > and he suggests that even

> > > for those of us who

> > > use injectable HgH, it is a good idea to rotate the secretagogues

> > > with the injectable to both enhance the dose and to make certain that

> > > the stimulatory pathway is kept active. He suggested that I try 3-4

> > > different secretagogues and alternate those on a daily basis with

> > > injectable to see if that made the seemingly allergic reaction go

> > > away. I have yet to try that. It is just a little too complicated

> > > for me to try at this point as my supplement regimen is extremely

> > > complex as it is.

> > >

> > > Another interesting point is that on occasion I get seemingly the

> > > same reaction to a temporarily higher than normal protein diet or

> > > diet rich in certain types of protein. This happened most recently

> > > when I went to Japan for 3 weeks and ate tons of susi, which I

> > > love. Toward the end of the stay, I had a strong allergic

> > > reaction. Reducing the susi stopped the reaction, just as removing

> > > the secretagogues does.

> > >

> > > At 02:55 PM 7/20/2006, you wrote:

> > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > What IGF1 levels do you see after 6 months on SomaLife gHP? I

> > > > > believe it was one o the ones I tried and in less than two

> weeks, as

> > > > > with all the other secretagogues, I had extreme nasal

> allergies and

> > > > > had to stop.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >IGF-1 is best measured as a peak response to the dose. The

> > > >Isidori study from 1991 that measured that response is on my

> > > >website:

> > > ><<http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html

> <http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html>>http://m

> > embers.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html

> > >

> > <http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html

>

<http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html>>><http://members.shaw.c\

a/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html

>

<http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html>>http://members.shaw.ca/\

SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html

> <http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html>

> >

> > > <http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html

> <http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html>>

> > > >

> > > >I have no measurements. I do know that as a practical matter,

> > > >gains continue to mount for about 2 years or a little more in

> > > >most people, and that the doctors claim that as one recovers and

> > > >becomes biologically younger the hormonal levels tend to be

> > > >appropriate for that more youthful body even when the HGH

> > > >supplement is withdrawn.

> > > >

> > > >Because pure amino acids are non-allergenic on their own, I'd

> > > >look for another trigger for your allergic symptoms. The two most

> > > >common triggers I've found are toxin load caused by bowel

> > > >dysbiosis and inflammation caused by excess omega-6 oil in the

> > > >diet and not enough omega-3 EPA and DHA (NO, flax oil doesn't

> > > >deliver those adequately). Also, the Herxheimer effect (healing

> > > >reaction) is often mistaken for an sensitivity response.

> > > >

> > > >Duncan

> > > >

> > >

July 21, 2006

Hi:

I guess I missed the part about the Joe Cells. I thought you were

just talking about Flanagan's Megahydrin in Green Tea giving off

gas. This would no doubt be different than whatever is given off by

Joe Cells. I was about to try it as I have some Megahydrin. I've

met Flanagan, who lives a short distance from me. His former

girlfriend works out at the same gym as I do. I never got much of a

boost from the use of Megahydrin.

Do you have a Joe Cell? What do you use it for? If you do, how did

you get it?

The sites that describe it say that it gives off hydrogen. If it

does electrolysis, it gives off oxygen as well on opposite

electrodes. Other gasses could be given off depending on what is

dissolved in the water. I don't know much about it as I'm pretty

skeptical about perpetual motion or " free energy " claims. Many, if

not all of these have been scams. I remain open-minded, but very

skeptical. If you have personal knowledge of this device, please

share it, especially if it promotes health.

At 01:09 PM 7/21/2006, you wrote:

>:

>

>I have several REDOX meters, but the one that I use (because I like its

>response time)

>is blue and has no name on it I paid about $45 for this one.

>I bought them all from various sites on EBay.

>

>As to the gas created: Yes. I just checked it out and have found that

>it is also

>produced in hot tap water, but at much smaller quantities.

>

>If you watch the Joe Cell videos, you will see that they produce a gas

>that results in a huge implosion... and you can certainly see the gas

>coming off

>of the top of the cell. Since there is no organic material in the

>water, how

>would they produce methane? No one really knows what the gas is as far

>as I know. When a bubble is imploded, it sets the cell back to stage

>I, so doing

>it is not popular.

>

>Jim

>

> Brown wrote:

>

> > Hi:

> >

> > What model/brand ORP meter do you have and what did it cost? Green

> > tea with Megahydrin gives off flammable gas? If it were hydrogen, it

> > would rise quickly and probably not be noticeable so it seems more

> > likely that it would be methane, which is slightly heavier than

> > oxygen and nitrogen and would stay long enough to accumulate. Both

> > are odorless.

> >

> > At 07:55 AM 7/21/2006, you wrote:

> >

> > >Hi :

> > >

> > >Love your posts... you possess a great attitude.

> > >

> > >Its interesting that you do Gerson's cleansing method. I have never

> > >heard or read about anyone using it except in relation to cancer

> > treatment.

> > >Along that line, Gerson's emphasis on carrot juice was no fluke. I keep a

> > >REDOX/ ORP meter on hand and have found that Carrot juice has the lowest

> > >ORP of any juice that I have tested at -200 mv, so if ORP is a factor,

> > >carrot

> > >juice is very good when it comes to removing free radicals.

> > >

> > >The lowest ORP (most powerful) that I have ever encountered comes from

> > >a cup of Green tea

> > >spiked with two of Dr. Flanagan's MegaHydrate tablets... at

> > >-900mg..

> > >I find that any more tablets makes no difference. In the process, the

> > >surface of the tea

> > >releases sizable amount of a flammable surface gas... not sure what it

> > >is, but when touched by a match,

> > >there is a slight explosion. I drink several cups of this a day and get

> > >a nice boost from it.

> > >By the way, green tea (alone) ORP is -50 as is red wine and my drinking

> > >water,

> > >from a good deep well, is around 150. Once I run my water through a

> > >reverse osmosis

> > >filter, the ORP goes up about 100mv. So filters are not a good thing

> > >if you can avoid them.

> > >

> > >I don't calibarate my meter, so these numbers are relative.

> > >

> > > Brown wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi:

> > > >

> > > > That's excellent information, Duncan. I have the following to say in

> > > > response to what you said.

> > > >

> > > > I eat lots of fish and take purified supplements with ample amounts

> > > > of DHA and Omega-3 EPA. I do some periodic bowel cleansing using the

> > > > Gearson methods of coffee and veg juice enemas. I also do oral

> > > > chelation using Gerry Gordon's formula. Having said that, I still

> > > > wouldn't discount that it could be a healing reaction or other toxic

> > > > reaction of some sort. It may be that I need more cleanising of

> > some type.

> > > >

> > > > No matter which hormone secretagogue I've tried that has known,

> > > > proven results the same thing occurs. Of interest is that when I was

> > > > younger, until the age of 24, I had periodic allergies and these

> > > > responses to the secretagogues feel and act very much the same.

> > > >

> > > > Another possibility, postulated by my Doc, is that it is a corrupted

> > > > mechanism in the pathway that stimulates the hypothalamus and

> > > > pituitary to secrete GH. It is a pathway with several steps and

> > > > there may be a partial blockage in my body for some reason - giving

> > > > off an allergenic compound.

> > > >

> > > > How would you suggest that I investigate this further? One of the

> > > > people I respect greatly in this field is Fowkes, of

> > > > <<http://www.ceri.com>http://www.ceri.com

> <http://www.ceri.com>><http://www.ceri.com>http://www.ceri.com

> > <http://www.ceri.com> <<http://www.ceri.com>http://www.ceri.com

> <http://www.ceri.com>>

> > > and he suggests that even

> > > > for those of us who

> > > > use injectable HgH, it is a good idea to rotate the secretagogues

> > > > with the injectable to both enhance the dose and to make certain that

> > > > the stimulatory pathway is kept active. He suggested that I try 3-4

> > > > different secretagogues and alternate those on a daily basis with

> > > > injectable to see if that made the seemingly allergic reaction go

> > > > away. I have yet to try that. It is just a little too complicated

> > > > for me to try at this point as my supplement regimen is extremely

> > > > complex as it is.

> > > >

> > > > Another interesting point is that on occasion I get seemingly the

> > > > same reaction to a temporarily higher than normal protein diet or

> > > > diet rich in certain types of protein. This happened most recently

> > > > when I went to Japan for 3 weeks and ate tons of susi, which I

> > > > love. Toward the end of the stay, I had a strong allergic

> > > > reaction. Reducing the susi stopped the reaction, just as removing

> > > > the secretagogues does.

> > > >

> > > > At 02:55 PM 7/20/2006, you wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > What IGF1 levels do you see after 6 months on SomaLife gHP? I

> > > > > > believe it was one o the ones I tried and in less than two

> > weeks, as

> > > > > > with all the other secretagogues, I had extreme nasal

> > allergies and

> > > > > > had to stop.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >IGF-1 is best measured as a peak response to the dose. The

> > > > >Isidori study from 1991 that measured that response is on my

> > > > >website:

> > > > ><<<http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html>htt

> p://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html

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> > > embers.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html

> > > >

> > >

>

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> > >

> > > >

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>

> > <http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html>>

> > > > >

> > > > >I have no measurements. I do know that as a practical matter,

> > > > >gains continue to mount for about 2 years or a little more in

> > > > >most people, and that the doctors claim that as one recovers and

> > > > >becomes biologically younger the hormonal levels tend to be

> > > > >appropriate for that more youthful body even when the HGH

> > > > >supplement is withdrawn.

> > > > >

> > > > >Because pure amino acids are non-allergenic on their own, I'd

> > > > >look for another trigger for your allergic symptoms. The two most

> > > > >common triggers I've found are toxin load caused by bowel

> > > > >dysbiosis and inflammation caused by excess omega-6 oil in the

> > > > >diet and not enough omega-3 EPA and DHA (NO, flax oil doesn't

> > > > >deliver those adequately). Also, the Herxheimer effect (healing

> > > > >reaction) is often mistaken for an sensitivity response.

> > > > >

> > > > >Duncan

> > > > >

> > > >

July 21, 2006

:

Being a bit skeptical is obviously a good thing, but I have seen a lot

on the free energy front that is very convincing. As to Joe's cell,

I am working on getting the energy to Stage III and once that is

accomplished

I'll let you know what it will do. Otherwise, I make no claims other

than seeing videos

which have included several seemingly sober guys running around in cars

with nothing

but a cell hooked to them, one of them in the US and the rest being

Aussies. They

also claim some great health benefits under the right conditions from

the cell. I

am not expecting anything more than what MegaHydrin does for me, but

the Redox

measures are pretty good (around -300 mv so far).

As far as MegaHydrin goes, I have found it to be nearly a miracle

supplement.

Two pills in a cup of hot water or tea will knock out a screaming

Classic Migraine

in about five minutes. It is either that or suffer through throwing up

and partial blindness

for about a day every month os so. The same mix just cured my wife of

some kind of flu about twenty

minutes ago. She was literally crying when I gave it to her because we

are scheduled

to fly to Maine tomorrow morning for a week's vacation and she did not

think that she

could make it. The -900 mv Redox is only a part of the story, but it

is a pretty good

indication of its latent potential.

I did start off with the Green Tea mix, but my knowledge of the Joe

Cell is what spurred me

to do the flame test. By the way, the claims are that hydrogen

production, though it occurs,

is not what powers the cars when it is being done correctly.

Cheers & See Ya Next Week, Jim

Brown wrote:

> Hi:

>

> I guess I missed the part about the Joe Cells. I thought you were

> just talking about Flanagan's Megahydrin in Green Tea giving off

> gas. This would no doubt be different than whatever is given off by

> Joe Cells. I was about to try it as I have some Megahydrin. I've

> met Flanagan, who lives a short distance from me. His former

> girlfriend works out at the same gym as I do. I never got much of a

> boost from the use of Megahydrin.

>

> Do you have a Joe Cell? What do you use it for? If you do, how did

> you get it?

>

> The sites that describe it say that it gives off hydrogen. If it

> does electrolysis, it gives off oxygen as well on opposite

> electrodes. Other gasses could be given off depending on what is

> dissolved in the water. I don't know much about it as I'm pretty

> skeptical about perpetual motion or " free energy " claims. Many, if

> not all of these have been scams. I remain open-minded, but very

> skeptical. If you have personal knowledge of this device, please

> share it, especially if it promotes health.

>

> At 01:09 PM 7/21/2006, you wrote:

>

> >:

> >

> >I have several REDOX meters, but the one that I use (because I like its

> >response time)

> >is blue and has no name on it I paid about $45 for this one.

> >I bought them all from various sites on EBay.

> >

> >As to the gas created: Yes. I just checked it out and have found that

> >it is also

> >produced in hot tap water, but at much smaller quantities.

> >

> >If you watch the Joe Cell videos, you will see that they produce a gas

> >that results in a huge implosion... and you can certainly see the gas

> >coming off

> >of the top of the cell. Since there is no organic material in the

> >water, how

> >would they produce methane? No one really knows what the gas is as far

> >as I know. When a bubble is imploded, it sets the cell back to stage

> >I, so doing

> >it is not popular.

> >

> >Jim

> >

> > Brown wrote:

> >

> > > Hi:

> > >

> > > What model/brand ORP meter do you have and what did it cost? Green

> > > tea with Megahydrin gives off flammable gas? If it were hydrogen, it

> > > would rise quickly and probably not be noticeable so it seems more

> > > likely that it would be methane, which is slightly heavier than

> > > oxygen and nitrogen and would stay long enough to accumulate. Both

> > > are odorless.

> > >

> > > At 07:55 AM 7/21/2006, you wrote:

> > >

> > > >Hi :

> > > >

> > > >Love your posts... you possess a great attitude.

> > > >

> > > >Its interesting that you do Gerson's cleansing method. I have never

> > > >heard or read about anyone using it except in relation to cancer

> > > treatment.

> > > >Along that line, Gerson's emphasis on carrot juice was no fluke.

> I keep a

> > > >REDOX/ ORP meter on hand and have found that Carrot juice has the

> lowest

> > > >ORP of any juice that I have tested at -200 mv, so if ORP is a

> factor,

> > > >carrot

> > > >juice is very good when it comes to removing free radicals.

> > > >

> > > >The lowest ORP (most powerful) that I have ever encountered comes

> from

> > > >a cup of Green tea

> > > >spiked with two of Dr. Flanagan's MegaHydrate tablets... at

> > > >-900mg..

> > > >I find that any more tablets makes no difference. In the process, the

> > > >surface of the tea

> > > >releases sizable amount of a flammable surface gas... not sure

> what it

> > > >is, but when touched by a match,

> > > >there is a slight explosion. I drink several cups of this a day

> and get

> > > >a nice boost from it.

> > > >By the way, green tea (alone) ORP is -50 as is red wine and my

> drinking

> > > >water,

> > > >from a good deep well, is around 150. Once I run my water through a

> > > >reverse osmosis

> > > >filter, the ORP goes up about 100mv. So filters are not a good thing

> > > >if you can avoid them.

> > > >

> > > >I don't calibarate my meter, so these numbers are relative.

> > > >

> > > > Brown wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hi:

> > > > >

> > > > > That's excellent information, Duncan. I have the following to

> say in

> > > > > response to what you said.

> > > > >

> > > > > I eat lots of fish and take purified supplements with ample

> amounts

> > > > > of DHA and Omega-3 EPA. I do some periodic bowel cleansing

> using the

> > > > > Gearson methods of coffee and veg juice enemas. I also do oral

> > > > > chelation using Gerry Gordon's formula. Having said that, I still

> > > > > wouldn't discount that it could be a healing reaction or other

> toxic

> > > > > reaction of some sort. It may be that I need more cleanising of

> > > some type.

> > > > >

> > > > > No matter which hormone secretagogue I've tried that has known,

> > > > > proven results the same thing occurs. Of interest is that when

> I was

> > > > > younger, until the age of 24, I had periodic allergies and these

> > > > > responses to the secretagogues feel and act very much the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another possibility, postulated by my Doc, is that it is a

> corrupted

> > > > > mechanism in the pathway that stimulates the hypothalamus and

> > > > > pituitary to secrete GH. It is a pathway with several steps and

> > > > > there may be a partial blockage in my body for some reason -

> giving

> > > > > off an allergenic compound.

> > > > >

> > > > > How would you suggest that I investigate this further? One of the

> > > > > people I respect greatly in this field is Fowkes, of

> > > > > <<http://www.ceri.com

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> > > > and he suggests that even

> > > > > for those of us who

> > > > > use injectable HgH, it is a good idea to rotate the secretagogues

> > > > > with the injectable to both enhance the dose and to make

> certain that

> > > > > the stimulatory pathway is kept active. He suggested that I

> try 3-4

> > > > > different secretagogues and alternate those on a daily basis with

> > > > > injectable to see if that made the seemingly allergic reaction go

> > > > > away. I have yet to try that. It is just a little too complicated

> > > > > for me to try at this point as my supplement regimen is extremely

> > > > > complex as it is.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another interesting point is that on occasion I get seemingly the

> > > > > same reaction to a temporarily higher than normal protein diet or

> > > > > diet rich in certain types of protein. This happened most recently

> > > > > when I went to Japan for 3 weeks and ate tons of susi, which I

> > > > > love. Toward the end of the stay, I had a strong allergic

> > > > > reaction. Reducing the susi stopped the reaction, just as removing

> > > > > the secretagogues does.

> > > > >

> > > > > At 02:55 PM 7/20/2006, you wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > What IGF1 levels do you see after 6 months on SomaLife gHP? I

> > > > > > > believe it was one o the ones I tried and in less than two

> > > weeks, as

> > > > > > > with all the other secretagogues, I had extreme nasal

> > > allergies and

> > > > > > > had to stop.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >IGF-1 is best measured as a peak response to the dose. The

> > > > > >Isidori study from 1991 that measured that response is on my

> > > > > >website:

> > > > > ><<<http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ISIDORI_study.html

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> > > > > >

> > > > > >I have no measurements. I do know that as a practical matter,

> > > > > >gains continue to mount for about 2 years or a little more in

> > > > > >most people, and that the doctors claim that as one recovers and

> > > > > >becomes biologically younger the hormonal levels tend to be

> > > > > >appropriate for that more youthful body even when the HGH

> > > > > >supplement is withdrawn.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Because pure amino acids are non-allergenic on their own, I'd

> > > > > >look for another trigger for your allergic symptoms. The two most

> > > > > >common triggers I've found are toxin load caused by bowel

> > > > > >dysbiosis and inflammation caused by excess omega-6 oil in the

> > > > > >diet and not enough omega-3 EPA and DHA (NO, flax oil doesn't

> > > > > >deliver those adequately). Also, the Herxheimer effect (healing

> > > > > >reaction) is often mistaken for an sensitivity response.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Duncan

> > > > > >

> > > > >

July 21, 2006

Hi Jim:

So I guess that you built your own Joe Cell from the information on

the web. Very interesting. I anxiously await your post.

I'll give Megahydrin another try for specific conditions and see if

it helps. I have a half a bottle left somewhere.

At 06:13 PM 7/21/2006, you wrote:

>:

>

>Being a bit skeptical is obviously a good thing, but I have seen a lot

>on the free energy front that is very convincing. As to Joe's cell,

>I am working on getting the energy to Stage III and once that is

>accomplished

>I'll let you know what it will do. Otherwise, I make no claims other

>than seeing videos

>which have included several seemingly sober guys running around in cars

>with nothing

>but a cell hooked to them, one of them in the US and the rest being

>Aussies. They

>also claim some great health benefits under the right conditions from

>the cell. I

>am not expecting anything more than what MegaHydrin does for me, but

>the Redox

>measures are pretty good (around -300 mv so far).

>

>As far as MegaHydrin goes, I have found it to be nearly a miracle

>supplement.

>Two pills in a cup of hot water or tea will knock out a screaming

>Classic Migraine

>in about five minutes. It is either that or suffer through throwing up

>and partial blindness

>for about a day every month os so. The same mix just cured my wife of

>some kind of flu about twenty

>minutes ago. She was literally crying when I gave it to her because we

>are scheduled

>to fly to Maine tomorrow morning for a week's vacation and she did not

>think that she

>could make it. The -900 mv Redox is only a part of the story, but it

>is a pretty good

>indication of its latent potential.

>

>I did start off with the Green Tea mix, but my knowledge of the Joe

>Cell is what spurred me

>to do the flame test. By the way, the claims are that hydrogen

>production, though it occurs,

>is not what powers the cars when it is being done correctly.

>

>Cheers & See Ya Next Week, Jim

>

> Brown wrote:

>

> > Hi:

> >

> > I guess I missed the part about the Joe Cells. I thought you were

> > just talking about Flanagan's Megahydrin in Green Tea giving off

> > gas. This would no doubt be different than whatever is given off by

> > Joe Cells. I was about to try it as I have some Megahydrin. I've

> > met Flanagan, who lives a short distance from me. His former

> > girlfriend works out at the same gym as I do. I never got much of a

> > boost from the use of Megahydrin.

> >

> > Do you have a Joe Cell? What do you use it for? If you do, how did

> > you get it?

> >

> > The sites that describe it say that it gives off hydrogen. If it

> > does electrolysis, it gives off oxygen as well on opposite

> > electrodes. Other gasses could be given off depending on what is

> > dissolved in the water. I don't know much about it as I'm pretty

> > skeptical about perpetual motion or " free energy " claims. Many, if

> > not all of these have been scams. I remain open-minded, but very

> > skeptical. If you have personal knowledge of this device, please

> > share it, especially if it promotes health.

> >

> > At 01:09 PM 7/21/2006, you wrote:

> >

> > >:

> > >

> > >I have several REDOX meters, but the one that I use (because I like its

> > >response time)

> > >is blue and has no name on it I paid about $45 for this one.

> > >I bought them all from various sites on EBay.

> > >

> > >As to the gas created: Yes. I just checked it out and have found that

> > >it is also

> > >produced in hot tap water, but at much smaller quantities.

> > >

> > >If you watch the Joe Cell videos, you will see that they produce a gas

> > >that results in a huge implosion... and you can certainly see the gas

> > >coming off

> > >of the top of the cell. Since there is no organic material in the

> > >water, how

> > >would they produce methane? No one really knows what the gas is as far

> > >as I know. When a bubble is imploded, it sets the cell back to stage

> > >I, so doing

> > >it is not popular.

> > >

> > >Jim

> > >

> > > Brown wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi:

> > > >

> > > > What model/brand ORP meter do you have and what did it cost? Green

> > > > tea with Megahydrin gives off flammable gas? If it were hydrogen, it

> > > > would rise quickly and probably not be noticeable so it seems more

> > > > likely that it would be methane, which is slightly heavier than

> > > > oxygen and nitrogen and would stay long enough to accumulate. Both

> > > > are odorless.

> > > >

> > > > At 07:55 AM 7/21/2006, you wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >Hi :

> > > > >

> > > > >Love your posts... you possess a great attitude.

> > > > >

> > > > >Its interesting that you do Gerson's cleansing method. I have never

> > > > >heard or read about anyone using it except in relation to cancer

> > > > treatment.

> > > > >Along that line, Gerson's emphasis on carrot juice was no fluke.

> > I keep a

> > > > >REDOX/ ORP meter on hand and have found that Carrot juice has the

> > lowest

> > > > >ORP of any juice that I have tested at -200 mv, so if ORP is a

> > factor,

> > > > >carrot

> > > > >juice is very good when it comes to removing free radicals.

> > > > >

> > > > >The lowest ORP (most powerful) that I have ever encountered comes

> > from

> > > > >a cup of Green tea

> > > > >spiked with two of Dr. Flanagan's MegaHydrate tablets... at

> > > > >-900mg..

> > > > >I find that any more tablets makes no difference. In the process, the

> > > > >surface of the tea

> > > > >releases sizable amount of a flammable surface gas... not sure

> > what it

> > > > >is, but when touched by a match,

> > > > >there is a slight explosion. I drink several cups of this a day

> > and get

> > > > >a nice boost from it.

> > > > >By the way, green tea (alone) ORP is -50 as is red wine and my

> > drinking

> > > > >water,

> > > > >from a good deep well, is around 150. Once I run my water through a

> > > > >reverse osmosis

> > > > >filter, the ORP goes up about 100mv. So filters are not a good thing

> > > > >if you can avoid them.

> > > > >

> > > > >I don't calibarate my meter, so these numbers are relative.

> > > > >

> > > > > Brown wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hi:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's excellent information, Duncan. I have the following to

> > say in

> > > > > > response to what you said.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I eat lots of fish and take purified supplements with ample

> > amounts

> > > > > > of DHA and Omega-3 EPA. I do some periodic bowel cleansing

> > using the

> > > > > > Gearson methods of coffee and veg juice enemas. I also do oral

> > > > > > chelation using Gerry Gordon's formula. Having said that, I still

> > > > > > wouldn't discount that it could be a healing reaction or other

> > toxic

> > > > > > reaction of some sort. It may be that I need more cleanising of

> > > > some type.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No matter which hormone secretagogue I've tried that has known,

> > > > > > proven results the same thing occurs. Of interest is that when

> > I was

> > > > > > younger, until the age of 24, I had periodic allergies and these

> > > > > > responses to the secretagogues feel and act very much the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another possibility, postulated by my Doc, is that it is a

> > corrupted

> > > > > > mechanism in the pathway that stimulates the hypothalamus and

> > > > > > pituitary to secrete GH. It is a pathway with several steps and

> > > > > > there may be a partial blockage in my body for some reason -

> > giving

> > > > > > off an allergenic compound.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How would you suggest that I investigate this further? One of the

> > > > > > people I respect greatly in this field is Fowkes, of

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> > > > > and he suggests that even

> > > > > > for those of us who

> > > > > > use injectable HgH, it is a good idea to rotate the secretagogues

> > > > > > with the injectable to both enhance the dose and to make

> > certain that

> > > > > > the stimulatory pathway is kept active. He suggested that I

> > try 3-4

> > > > > > different secretagogues and alternate those on a daily basis with

> > > > > > injectable to see if that made the seemingly allergic reaction go

> > > > > > away. I have yet to try that. It is just a little too complicated

> > > > > > for me to try at this point as my supplement regimen is extremely

> > > > > > complex as it is.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Another interesting point is that on occasion I get seemingly the

> > > > > > same reaction to a temporarily higher than normal protein diet or

> > > > > > diet rich in certain types of protein. This happened most recently

> > > > > > when I went to Japan for 3 weeks and ate tons of susi, which I

> > > > > > love. Toward the end of the stay, I had a strong allergic

> > > > > > reaction. Reducing the susi stopped the reaction, just as removing

> > > > > > the secretagogues does.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At 02:55 PM 7/20/2006, you wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > What IGF1 levels do you see after 6 months on SomaLife gHP? I

> > > > > > > > believe it was one o the ones I tried and in less than two

> > > > weeks, as

> > > > > > > > with all the other secretagogues, I had extreme nasal

> > > > allergies and

> > > > > > > > had to stop.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >IGF-1 is best measured as a peak response to the dose. The

> > > > > > >Isidori study from 1991 that measured that response is on my

> > > > > > >website:

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >I have no measurements. I do know that as a practical matter,

> > > > > > >gains continue to mount for about 2 years or a little more in

> > > > > > >most people, and that the doctors claim that as one recovers and

> > > > > > >becomes biologically younger the hormonal levels tend to be

> > > > > > >appropriate for that more youthful body even when the HGH

> > > > > > >supplement is withdrawn.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Because pure amino acids are non-allergenic on their own, I'd

> > > > > > >look for another trigger for your allergic symptoms. The two most

> > > > > > >common triggers I've found are toxin load caused by bowel

> > > > > > >dysbiosis and inflammation caused by excess omega-6 oil in the

> > > > > > >diet and not enough omega-3 EPA and DHA (NO, flax oil doesn't

> > > > > > >deliver those adequately). Also, the Herxheimer effect (healing

> > > > > > >reaction) is often mistaken for an sensitivity response.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Duncan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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