Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 On Monday 17 July 2006 4:01 pm, Brown wrote: > Hi Steve: > > Your's was an excellent post, very informative. What was the result > of your chelation work in terms of arterial occlusion? Also, Did you > try all the supplements TMG, folate, B12, B6, Creatine and any others > to control homocysteine simultaneously or separately? My initial goal was to take take any and everything that I thought rational until the homocysteine problem was controlled and then to reduce individual items until I was only taking what was essential to control. Most supplements were taken at max all at the same time but the Creatine was a later experiment and the thyroid was also a later experiment. Nevertheless, my dosages of TMG, folate, B12, B6 and zinc are still way high all the time even thought I've cut back. Currently for homocysteine (and other reasons) TMG 5 grams/day. B2 100 mg/day B6 200 mg/day Folate 10,000 mcg/day L-methylfolate 1600 mcg/day B12 5000 mcg/day Zinc 30 mg/day > From your post > it wasn't clear. It seems that the studies I've seen, it is > necessary to take a number of these supplements simultaneously to > achieve effective homocysteine reduction. A number of well-informed > vitamin companies put out homocysteine control formulas as well. Even then they are quite low dose. I initially used the Life Extension Foundation's protocol for controlling homocysteine which gave rational for much higher dosages for some people. I tried it all. > It > sounds like you have a good control with adequate blood testing on > what levels of the various supplements do with your body. I'm also a > firm believer from my own experience in the power of niacin/B3 to > control the LDL/HDL ratio. How do you measure the " fluff " of LDL? VAP test. > By the way, although I really appreciate and love the work that > Ellis Toussier is doing, you won't be able to get Hgh for those low > prices through him. It will be a regulated, FDA approved brand > though. I used to buy from him, because he is excellent and reliable > and I trust him totally, but I couldn't afford it at his prices, even > though they are probably at well-under half the US retail price. > > I'm not adverse to Chinese sources. I believe that a lot of Beyond-A-Century.com's products come from there and I'm confortable with that. > At 06:04 AM 7/17/2006, you wrote: > >What do you think of the IV EDTA? Are there measurable results from > >that? I had it once and my skin was rosy the next day. I perceived > >improved circulation & I liked it. I very much like Phosphatidyl > >Choline (brain effects). I don't perceive any effect from phyphatidyl > >serine, but I've read that I should alternate the serine with choline. > >Good luck on homocystine. > >Apricot > > > >steve wrote: > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Keeping one's fasting blood sugar below 90 is easier said than done. > > > It used > > > to be high nineties and sometimes low 100s, but now it has moved to low > > > nineties. As to supplementation, I've got most of those bases covered. > > > > > > I've had 33 treatments of IV EDTA, 30 in a series at one too two per > > > week until I completed 30 and I now get one a month. In addition, I'm > > > going thought a course of PlaqueX (Intravenous Phosphatidyl Choline) > > > > <http://www.biohealthcenter.com/plaquex.html>http://www.biohealthcenter.c > >om/plaquex.html > > > > > <http://www.biohealthcenter.com/plaquex.html> and when I'm done will > > > continue > > > that at once per month. > > > > > > hs-C-Reactive Protein, an inflammation marker, is very very low for me > > > at 0.25 > > > but homocysteine has been a very hard one to control. I've done more > > > research and tried tons of stuff with limited results. Mine runs 9.0 > > > to 14 > > > and 17.5 at only twice the recommend amounts of B2, B9, TMG, choline, > > > and B12. As an example of some things I've tried, B6 at 1000 mg/day, > > > Folic Acid > > > at 16,000 mcg/day, B12 at 10,000 mcg/day (and 2 mg/week IV with the > > > EDTA), > > > zinc, TMG at 8 grams/day, choline at 4 grams/day, other methyl donors, > > > P5P at > > > 100 mg/day, B2 at 400 mg/day (a few studes noted this was a solution > > > for some) a reduced form of folic acid in case my body wasn't doing > > > that step well, creatine (lowers homocysteine 25% in medline studies), > > > thyroid meds (lowers homocysteine as TSH goes down but mine was already > > > 2.1 - I do want it > > > be at 1.4 but I'm not working on that right now), and a few other > > > things I've > > > since forgotten. I've lowered all of the above to lower quantities > > > since higher was not a solution. I took the trouble of getting folate > > > and B12 blood work and was way above the upper limit so I cut back for > > > that reasoning > > > as well. Perhaps I can eat a diet that restricts methonine but I'm not > > > fond > > > of the idea of going mostly vegetarian. On the down side, Niacin > > > increases > > > my homocysteine but it increases my HDL a lot and most importantly, > > > converts > > > my LDL from small and dense (very bad) to large and fluffy (very good). > > > Small particle LDL is not a good thing and the most likely the reason > > > I had > > > 98% narrowed arteries in the first place. It takes 2.5 grams of B3 to > > > fix this problem and more would be better but right now it's a > > > balancing act. > > > > > > The HGH still interests me so I think I'll get some blood work for it > > > in the > > > next few months to see where I stand. $110/month is a LOT lower than > > > it used > > > to be. I'm familiar with Ellis Toussier and we've exchanged a few > > > emails in > > > the past. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Steve - > > > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net>dudescholar2@... > > <mailto:dudescholar2%40basicmail.net> > > > > > " Tell the truth and then run. " > > > --Proverb -- Steve - dudescholar2@... " Diplomacy is the art of letting someone else have your way. " --e Vare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 You bet. It seems that whey with a little sugar is best taken 1/2 hour before and immediately after working out. I love whey. It's a great way to get a low calorie meal replacement. I put a few scoops in a large empty medicine bottle (with some fiber powder and a little squeeze of honey) and toss it in my satchel. Add water, shake and ta-da! Instant cheapo SlimFast® replacement - except it's actually GOOD for you! Brown wrote: > > Hi: > > Whey is really great. There is a lot of research about its health > benefits for exercise. > > > > At 05:13 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote: > > >I've been experimenting with a couple oz of whey protein with a teaspoon > >of honey pre and post workout. It will take a while before I can > comment... > > > ><mailto:nospam.rwp%40dsl.pipex.com>nospam.rwp@... > <mailto:nospam.rwp%40dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Celeste, > > > > > > Recent research has show that post workout drinks which include some > > > whole protein work significantly better than carbs alone. It is > > > probably wise to limit the type and quantity of carbs, to only top up > > > muscle glycogen stores, and electrolytes should not be necessary > if you > > > are eating a good diet. Just drinking cold water is pretty important > > > too, to rehydrate and cool off. I also read somewhere that stretching > > > does not help much and maybe counter productive for cold muscles, > > > however I find a quick warm up is useful before exercise, if > muscles are > > > cold. I think a cool down is really just to keeping the muscles gently > > > moving to encourage waste products to be purged. > > > > > > > > > > > > a1thighmaster wrote: > > > > Six days is an exceptionally long time . . . much longer than > > > > necessary after a typical workout. Recovery can take longer than > usual > > > > if you are overtraining or if you are not getting enough rest. Other > > > > things that can reduce post-workout soreness (and thus reduce > recovery > > > > time) are: warming up at the beginning of your workout, stretching > > > > during and after your workout, cooling down at the end of your > > > > workout, Rehydrating by drinking a high-GI carbohydrate drink mix > > > > containing sodium and other electrolytes within 30 minutes after > your > > > > workout, staying adequately hydrated, employing active rest, varying > > > > the speed and intensity of your workouts, varying the specific > > > > exercises performed, and scheduling regular massage sessions. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Celeste > > > > > > > > Dave Narby wrote: > > > > > > > >> I'm giving my muscles six days to recover. I figure one day > more than > > > >> it takes to stop feeling sore. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >-- > >This is your brain on politics: > > > ><http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>>http://www.scien\ cedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm> > > > >Yep! You've been an annoying zombie all these years. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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