Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 On Sunday 07 May 2006 12:09 pm, a1thighmaster wrote: > Palm oil is not anyone's friend (unless you belong to one of the > corporations that produces it). From http://www.cspinet.org/palm/: > > " Unfortunately, not only does palm oil promote heart disease, but the > vast plantations that grow oil palm trees have contributed to the > destruction of the rainforest and wildlife of Southeast Asia. Those > side effects are not broadly recognized — and avoided — by > governments, food manufacturers, or consumers. " > > Be good to yourself and the rest of the world by avoiding foods > containing palm oil. > > Best regards, > Celeste I agree in part but not in whole. Every animal modifies it's environment or is adapted to it's environment. I don't think there is any reason for man to restrict his/her quality of life to activies that don't impact the environment. On the other hand, I find palm oil to have benefits BUT I what don't find beneficial is partically hydrogenated palm oil. Anything that has been partically hydrogenated should be avoided. -- Steve - dudescholar2@... " A man with a new idea is a crank until he succeeds. " --Mark Twain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 On May 7, 2006, at 3:47 PM, steve wrote: > On Sunday 07 May 2006 12:09 pm, a1thighmaster wrote: > > Palm oil is not anyone's friend (unless you belong to one of the > > corporations that produces it). From http://www.cspinet.org/palm/: > > > > " Unfortunately, not only does palm oil promote heart disease, but > the > > vast plantations that grow oil palm trees have contributed to the > > destruction of the rainforest and wildlife of Southeast Asia. Those > > side effects are not broadly recognized — and avoided — by > > governments, food manufacturers, or consumers. " > > > > Be good to yourself and the rest of the world by avoiding foods > > containing palm oil. > > > > Best regards, > > Celeste > > I agree in part but not in whole. Every animal modifies it's > environment or > is adapted to it's environment. I don't think there is any reason > for man to > restrict his/her quality of life to activies that don't impact the > environment. On the other hand, I find palm oil to have benefits BUT > I what > don't find beneficial is partically hydrogenated palm oil. Anything > that has > been partically hydrogenated should be avoided. > > -- > > Steve - dudescholar2@... > Where do they get that it causes heart disease? Hans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 On Sunday 07 May 2006 4:16 pm, Hans Conser wrote: > On May 7, 2006, at 3:47 PM, steve wrote: > > On Sunday 07 May 2006 12:09 pm, a1thighmaster wrote: > > > Palm oil is not anyone's friend (unless you belong to one of the > > > corporations that produces it). From http://www.cspinet.org/palm/: > > > > > > " Unfortunately, not only does palm oil promote heart disease, but > > > > the > > > > > vast plantations that grow oil palm trees have contributed to the > > > destruction of the rainforest and wildlife of Southeast Asia. Those > > > side effects are not broadly recognized — and avoided — by > > > governments, food manufacturers, or consumers. " > > > > > > Be good to yourself and the rest of the world by avoiding foods > > > containing palm oil. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Celeste > > > > I agree in part but not in whole. Every animal modifies it's > > environment or > > is adapted to it's environment. I don't think there is any reason > > for man to > > restrict his/her quality of life to activies that don't impact the > > environment. On the other hand, I find palm oil to have benefits BUT > > I what > > don't find beneficial is partically hydrogenated palm oil. Anything > > that has > > been partically hydrogenated should be avoided. > > > > -- > > > > Steve - dudescholar2@... > > Where do they get that it causes heart disease? > > Hans TRANS FATTY ACIDS AND CORONARY HEART DISEASE http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/reviews/transfats.html " By our most conservative estimate, replacement of partially hydrogenated fat in the U.S. diet with natural unhydrogenated vegetable oils would prevent approximately 30,000 premature coronary deaths per year, and epidemiologic evidence suggests this number is closer to 100,0000 premature deaths annually. " And considering that some vegetable oils are much better than others ..... -- Steve - dudescholar2@... " When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before. " --Mae West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 I found the following at http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=532 " Saturated fat is the main dietary cause of high blood cholesterol. The American Heart Association recommends that you limit your saturated fat intake to 7–10 percent of total calories (or less) each day. If you have coronary heart disease or your LDL cholesterol level is 100 mg/dL or greater, your doctor should recommend the Therapeutic Lifestyle Change (TLC) Diet. It recommends 25–35 percent of calories from fat, with less than 7 percent coming from saturated fat. Cholesterol is limited to less than 200 milligrams a day. " Saturated fats also seem to be difficult to digest. I burp them up and they taste terrible so I'm motivated to avoid them. I haven't seen any convincing evidence about benefits for tropical oils (other than as topicals). Best regards, Celeste Hans Conser wrote: > Where do they get that it causes heart disease? > > Steve wrote: > > On the other hand, I find palm oil to have benefits BUT > > I what > > don't find beneficial is partically hydrogenated palm oil. Anything > > that has > > been partically hydrogenated should be avoided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 The best advice: eat a varied diet as close to raw as possible, take plenty of food based supplements from untainted sources that contain plenty of plant based minerals, and never listen to anything from the AMA, American Heart Association, or American Cancer Association. a1thighmaster wrote: > I found the following at > http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=532 > " Saturated fat is the main dietary cause of high blood cholesterol. > The American Heart Association recommends that you limit your > saturated fat intake to 7-10 percent of total calories (or less) each > day. If you have coronary heart disease or your LDL cholesterol level > is 100 mg/dL or greater, your doctor should recommend the Therapeutic > Lifestyle Change (TLC) Diet. It recommends 25-35 percent of calories > from fat, with less than 7 percent coming from saturated fat. > Cholesterol is limited to less than 200 milligrams a day. " > > Saturated fats also seem to be difficult to digest. I burp them up and > they taste terrible so I'm motivated to avoid them. I haven't seen any > convincing evidence about benefits for tropical oils (other than as > topicals). > > Best regards, > Celeste > > Hans Conser wrote: > > Where do they get that it causes heart disease? > > > > Steve wrote: > > > On the other hand, I find palm oil to have benefits BUT > > > I what > > > don't find beneficial is partically hydrogenated palm oil. Anything > > > that has > > > been partically hydrogenated should be avoided. > > > > > > > > Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but > under no circumstances should any information published here be > considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified > physician. -the owner > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 No, I won't be eating a lot of raw foods. I do best eating mostly cooked foods that can be easily digested. I am not able to get enough nutrition from raw foods and they aggravate my bowels. Never say never. Best regards, Celeste Jim wrote: > The best advice: eat a varied diet as close to raw as possible, take > plenty of food based supplements from untainted sources that contain > plenty of plant based minerals, > and never listen to anything from the AMA, American Heart Association, or > American Cancer Association. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 On May 8, 2006, at 8:36 PM, a1thighmaster wrote: > No, I won't be eating a lot of raw foods. I do best eating mostly > cooked foods that can be easily digested. I am not able to get enough > nutrition from raw foods and they aggravate my bowels. > > Never say never. > > Best regards, > Celeste > I'm with you on this one Celeste, but you do realize that you are wrong about palm oil and saturated fat right? Hans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 I haven't seen any convincing evidence that tropical oils and saturated fat are healthy to consume in excess. I'll avoid tropical oils due to their negative environmental impact. Mostly, though, my stomach doesn't like them, so I don't see any reason to consume saturated fats. I end up belching them up and they don't taste good anyway. I'll stick with olive oil and a few other fats that agree with me. Best regards, Celeste Hans Conser wrote: > I'm with you on this one Celeste, but you do realize that you are wrong > about palm oil and saturated fat right? > > Celeste wrote: > > No, I won't be eating a lot of raw foods. I do best eating mostly > > cooked foods that can be easily digested. I am not able to get enough > > nutrition from raw foods and they aggravate my bowels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 I submit that even olive oil is not a wise thing to consume in excess. The point is that saturated fat was made out to be a villain but the cotton industry when it was looking for a market for cottonseed (margarine) and it put us on the wrong trail for fifty years before we rooted out the truth. In fact, the bad guy is hydrogenated fat, something that our bodies do not recognize. My guess is that in fifty years, many of these so-called foods will be illegal. The health costs are just unsustainable. Still, the best diet is unprocessed food, the closer to raw the better. If your system can't take raw vegetables, you probably should be taking a probiotic formulae and using enzymes to your best advantage. A chunk of fresh pineapple before each meal works well and Dr. 's Probiotic formulae would be a good choice. a1thighmaster wrote: > I haven't seen any convincing evidence that tropical oils and > saturated fat are healthy to consume in excess. I'll avoid tropical > oils due to their negative environmental impact. Mostly, though, my > stomach doesn't like them, so I don't see any reason to consume > saturated fats. I end up belching them up and they don't taste good > anyway. I'll stick with olive oil and a few other fats that agree with me. > > Best regards, > Celeste > > Hans Conser wrote: > > I'm with you on this one Celeste, but you do realize that you are wrong > > about palm oil and saturated fat right? > > > > Celeste wrote: > > > No, I won't be eating a lot of raw foods. I do best eating mostly > > > cooked foods that can be easily digested. I am not able to get enough > > > nutrition from raw foods and they aggravate my bowels. > > > > > > > Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but > under no circumstances should any information published here be > considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified > physician. -the owner > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 > Mostly, though, my stomach doesn't like them, so I don't see > any reason to consume saturated fats. I end up belching them up > and they don't taste good anyway. > I'll stick with olive oil and a few other fats that agree with > me. > > Best regards, > Celeste Celeste, " saturated " animal fats are quite high in monounsaturated and polyunsaturated oils unless the animals have been grass fed. That delicious marbeled meat is marbeled with the cheap seeds, soybeans and oils used to fatten the livestock, which can't burn these oils much better than we can. In terms of longevity these oils represent an encumbrance; even olive oil, arguably the " safest " unsaturated oil, is technically pro-inflammatory due to its omega-6 content. I hope you're taking cod-liver oil. Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Until I see some published studies that show that saturated fats promote healthy cholesterol levels and other signs of cardiovascular health I don't have any reason to believe that I shouldn't avoid saturated fats. I do agree that anything in excess is not good. So I don't guzzle the olive oil either. No thanks on the cod liver oil. I can't stomach fish oil supplements (not even the enteric-coated ones). I do eat plenty of fish, though, and get plenty of sun all year 'round. When I lived in a temperate zone I used to take cod liver oil pills in winter. No winter where I live now, though. Best regards, Celeste Duncan Crow wrote: > Celeste, " saturated " animal fats are quite high in > monounsaturated and polyunsaturated oils unless the animals have > been grass fed. That delicious marbeled meat is marbeled with the > cheap seeds, soybeans and oils used to fatten the livestock, > which can't burn these oils much better than we can. > > In terms of longevity these oils represent an encumbrance; even > olive oil, arguably the " safest " unsaturated oil, is technically > pro-inflammatory due to its omega-6 content. > > I hope you're taking cod-liver oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Jim, I don't agree with you about the cottonseed oil putting anyone on the wrong trail. We used to think that dietary cholesterol was what caused cholesterol levels to get too high and arteries to clog. That's not something I ever believed. There are a lot of very good studies, though, that do show that saturated fats in the diet do correlate with clogged arteries. I do agree that hydrogenated fats and trans fats are also not healthy. I don't care for enzyme supplements . . . I find them constipating (more so than too many raw foods). I also don't care to eat fresh pineapple too frequently . . . hurts my mouth if I eat it too often. Best regards, Celeste Jim wrote: > I submit that even olive oil is not a wise thing to consume in excess. > The point is that saturated fat was made out to be a villain but the cotton > industry when it was looking for a market for cottonseed (margarine) > and it put us on the wrong trail for fifty years before we rooted out > the truth. > In fact, the bad guy is hydrogenated fat, something that our bodies > do not recognize. My guess is that in fifty years, many of these so-called > foods will be illegal. The health costs are just unsustainable. > > Still, the best diet is unprocessed food, the closer to raw the better. > If your system can't take raw vegetables, you probably should be taking > a probiotic formulae and using enzymes to your best advantage. A chunk > of fresh > pineapple before each meal works well and Dr. 's Probiotic > formulae would > be a good choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Again, too much of anything is a poor choice. From the many sources that I have read, I have come to believe that the saturated fat studies are based on biased assumptions even though a few people that I respect disagree with such as Dr. Flanagan.. The cottonseed story is not a fabrication. It clearly correlates with my memories of the time (ca. 1956) and I have read essentially the same thing from several sources since. In fact, I believe that there is good reason to accept that dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol have never been directly linked. Even though we were warned repeatedly that too many eggs causes heart disease (and still are by many respected institutions like the American Heart Association), that has been totally dropped by most who are looking at the bigger picture. Furthermore, as Dr. Wallach points out, your brain is almost all cholesterol and there is reason to believe that our low cholesterol diet is the cause of Alzheimer's. Wallach claims that a healthy cholesterol level is actually between 200 & 290 (way off the AHA charts).. Furthermore, there is good reason to believe that cholesterol offers some protection from cancer and that a low reading is, in fact, quite a very unhealthy signal. Finally cholesterol lowering drugs are, I have long accepted, a true menace to anyone's health. There are other good sources for enzymes... strawberries and papaya ..are two. I did not suggest enzyme supplements.. you brought that up. a1thighmaster wrote: > Jim, > > I don't agree with you about the cottonseed oil putting anyone on the > wrong trail. We used to think that dietary cholesterol was what caused > cholesterol levels to get too high and arteries to clog. That's not > something I ever believed. There are a lot of very good studies, > though, that do show that saturated fats in the diet do correlate with > clogged arteries. I do agree that hydrogenated fats and trans fats are > also not healthy. > > I don't care for enzyme supplements . . . I find them constipating > (more so than too many raw foods). I also don't care to eat fresh > pineapple too frequently . . . hurts my mouth if I eat it too often. > > Best regards, > Celeste > > Jim wrote: > > I submit that even olive oil is not a wise thing to consume in excess. > > The point is that saturated fat was made out to be a villain but the > cotton > > industry when it was looking for a market for cottonseed (margarine) > > and it put us on the wrong trail for fifty years before we rooted out > > the truth. > > In fact, the bad guy is hydrogenated fat, something that our bodies > > do not recognize. My guess is that in fifty years, many of these > so-called > > foods will be illegal. The health costs are just unsustainable. > > > > Still, the best diet is unprocessed food, the closer to raw the > better. > > If your system can't take raw vegetables, you probably should be taking > > a probiotic formulae and using enzymes to your best advantage. A chunk > > of fresh > > pineapple before each meal works well and Dr. 's Probiotic > > formulae would > > be a good choice. > > > > > > > Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but > under no circumstances should any information published here be > considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified > physician. -the owner > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 I would hazard to say that saturated fat found in corn (and hormone/drug injected beef) is not identical to saturated fat in free range organic beef. -- Steve - dudescholar2@... " If you are only skeptical, then no new ideas make it through to you. " --Carl Sagan On Wednesday 10 May 2006 9:40 am, Jim wrote: > I submit that even olive oil is not a wise thing to consume in excess. > The point is that saturated fat was made out to be a villain but the cotton > industry when it was looking for a market for cottonseed (margarine) > and it put us on the wrong trail for fifty years before we rooted out > the truth. > In fact, the bad guy is hydrogenated fat, something that our bodies > do not recognize. My guess is that in fifty years, many of these > so-called foods will be illegal. The health costs are just unsustainable. > > Still, the best diet is unprocessed food, the closer to raw the better. > If your system can't take raw vegetables, you probably should be taking > a probiotic formulae and using enzymes to your best advantage. A chunk > of fresh > pineapple before each meal works well and Dr. 's Probiotic > formulae would > be a good choice. > > a1thighmaster wrote: > > I haven't seen any convincing evidence that tropical oils and > > saturated fat are healthy to consume in excess. I'll avoid tropical > > oils due to their negative environmental impact. Mostly, though, my > > stomach doesn't like them, so I don't see any reason to consume > > saturated fats. I end up belching them up and they don't taste good > > anyway. I'll stick with olive oil and a few other fats that agree with > > me. > > > > Best regards, > > Celeste > > > > Hans Conser wrote: > > > I'm with you on this one Celeste, but you do realize that you are wrong > > > about palm oil and saturated fat right? > > > > > > Celeste wrote: > > > > No, I won't be eating a lot of raw foods. I do best eating mostly > > > > cooked foods that can be easily digested. I am not able to get > > > > enough nutrition from raw foods and they aggravate my bowels. > > > > Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but > > under no circumstances should any information published here be > > considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified > > physician. -the owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 People with high cholesterol live longer The body uses fat to make cell membranes and fat is highly concentrated in the nervous system unsaturated fats are easily oxidized vegetarian have higher levels of neurological diseases saturated fats are less easily oxidized people who eat more meat tend to be more affluent and eat more refined foods as well, a confounding factor in most studies the above leads me to believe that a diet with a high proportion of the fat content being saturated fat is healthy saturated fats plus omega 3's, with a high ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 is my current thinking If you are burping up saturated or any fats, you need to get the bile flowing, thinned or something coconut or palm kernel oil seem better than palm oil to me. Hans On May 10, 2006, at 10:10 PM, Jim wrote: > Again, too much of anything is a poor choice. > > From the many sources that I have read, I have come to believe that > the saturated fat studies are > based on biased assumptions even though a few people that I respect > disagree with such as Dr. > Flanagan.. > > The cottonseed story is not a fabrication. It clearly correlates with > my memories of the time (ca. 1956) > and I have read essentially the same thing from several sources > since. > In fact, I believe that > there is good reason to accept that dietary cholesterol and blood > cholesterol have never been > directly linked. Even though we were warned repeatedly that too many > eggs causes heart > disease (and still are by many respected institutions like the > American > Heart Association), > that has been totally dropped by most who are looking at the bigger > picture. > > Furthermore, as Dr. Wallach points out, your brain is almost > all > cholesterol and there > is reason to believe that our low cholesterol diet is the cause of > Alzheimer's. Wallach claims > that a healthy cholesterol level is actually between 200 & 290 (way > off > the AHA charts).. > Furthermore, there is good reason to believe that cholesterol offers > some protection from > cancer and that a low reading is, in fact, quite a very unhealthy > signal. Finally cholesterol > lowering drugs are, I have long accepted, a true menace to anyone's > health. > > There are other good sources for enzymes... strawberries and papaya > .are two. > I did not suggest enzyme supplements.. you brought that up. > > a1thighmaster wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > I don't agree with you about the cottonseed oil putting anyone on > the > > wrong trail. We used to think that dietary cholesterol was what > caused > > cholesterol levels to get too high and arteries to clog. That's not > > something I ever believed. There are a lot of very good studies, > > though, that do show that saturated fats in the diet do correlate > with > > clogged arteries. I do agree that hydrogenated fats and trans fats > are > > also not healthy. > > > > I don't care for enzyme supplements . . . I find them constipating > > (more so than too many raw foods). I also don't care to eat fresh > > pineapple too frequently . . . hurts my mouth if I eat it too often. > > > > Best regards, > > Celeste > > > > Jim wrote: > > > I submit that even olive oil is not a wise thing to consume in > excess. > > > The point is that saturated fat was made out to be a villain but > the > > cotton > > > industry when it was looking for a market for cottonseed > (margarine) > > > and it put us on the wrong trail for fifty years before we rooted > out > > > the truth. > > > In fact, the bad guy is hydrogenated fat, something that our > bodies > > > do not recognize. My guess is that in fifty years, many of these > > so-called > > > foods will be illegal. The health costs are just unsustainable. > > > > > > Still, the best diet is unprocessed food, the closer to raw the > > better. > > > If your system can't take raw vegetables, you probably should be > taking > > > a probiotic formulae and using enzymes to your best advantage. A > chunk > > > of fresh > > > pineapple before each meal works well and Dr. 's Probiotic > > > formulae would > > > be a good choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but > > under no circumstances should any information published here be > > considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified > > physician. -the owner > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 > Until I see some published studies that show that saturated fats > promote healthy cholesterol levels and other signs of cardiovascular > health I don't have any reason to believe that I shouldn't avoid > saturated fats. I have had on my coconut oil page for a few years now, published research that showed HDL increases with coconut oil, an MCT saturated fat. Knowing that LDL:HDL ratio is more important than absolute levels, here we have a saturated fat that seriously improves that ratio; that is not small pickins. Regardless of that, saturated fat has never been linked as causative of cardovascular disease anyway, except in populations who are already in oxidative stress. And at that, the saturated fat doesn't oxidize the cholesterol anyway, the unsaturates and depleted antioxidant pool do it together. > I do agree that anything in excess is not good. So I > don't guzzle the olive oil either. Even without guzzling oil it's had to not exceed optimal omega-6 intake. > No thanks on the cod liver oil. I can't stomach fish oil supplements > (not even the enteric-coated ones). I do eat plenty of fish, though, > and get plenty of sun all year 'round. EPA and GLA can also be taken by the capsule. If you want to know where you sit with the omega-6:3 ratio, you can calculate it following the Inflammation index in the book Inflammation Nation. This is not small pickins either; an imbalance is probably the first or second biggest cause of disease. > Best regards, > Celeste Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I also fined that eating fresh papaya is constipating so I avoid papaya. When I can get fresh strawberries at a reasonable price I eat them and do fine with them, but they are rare to find. Best regards, Celeste Jim wrote: > There are other good sources for enzymes... strawberries and papaya > .are two. > I did not suggest enzyme supplements.. you brought that up. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Interestingly enough I had an aunt who had Alzheimer's disease (until she died of pneumonia) and she also had high cholesterol. Recent studies are finding that there is a link between high cholesterol and an increased risk of Alzheimer's disease (see http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/Research/Research_in_the_news/020601cholesterol.htm ). Best regards, Celeste Jim wrote: > Furthermore, as Dr. Wallach points out, your brain is almost all > cholesterol and there > is reason to believe that our low cholesterol diet is the cause of > Alzheimer's. Wallach claims > that a healthy cholesterol level is actually between 200 & 290 (way off > the AHA charts).. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 Celeste, I have experimented with raw eating in the past. I have found two things; 1) I have to eat more, and 2) it also aggravates my bowels. I eat 2-3 servings of fruit a day in a calorie restricted diet, I also eat 2-3 servings of vegetables. Occassionally I wll suplement with juices. But straight raw, and I do like the theory, just doesn't work for me. Jon > > The best advice: eat a varied diet as close to raw as possible, take > > plenty of food based supplements from untainted sources that contain > > plenty of plant based minerals, > > and never listen to anything from the AMA, American Heart > Association, or > > American Cancer Association. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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