Re: Paw paw and Kombucha

[Guest guest]

Hi Beau, Thank you so much for the advise. I didn't know if you could mix it

with the KT or not. Also, these are fresh leaves, not dried. Should I dry them

out first? They are pretty big leaves so I am not sure how much to use. Also

do I remove them after the 48 hours?

" May the Great and Wise Wolf guide your path " Myrna

[Guest guest]

Hi thanks again for the advice. Yes, I have been reading about Essiac Tea. I

will be ordering some for her from Ed but in the meantime, I wanted to get her

started on the Paw paw.

" May the Great and Wise Wolf guide your path " Myrna

[Guest guest]

Oh dear Mark, I am not sure. The leaves are large. About 12 inches by 5

inches. How can I find out which one I have? Thank you for asking. The tree has

some kind of fruit that harbors the seeds.

" May the Great and Wise Wolf guide your path " Myrna

[Guest guest]

Hi again Mark,

It looks like the pawpaw sent to me from Illinois is the one on this site.

http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/ Is this the good one?

" May the Great and Wise Wolf guide your path " Myrna

[Guest guest]

Thank you Beau. She loves Shitake mushrooms!

" May the Great and Wise Wolf guide your path " Myrna

[Guest guest]

Note: Pawpaw ((Carica Papaya)) for kombucha brewing – during the

fermentation process – Harald typically recommends using herbal teas, such

as pawpaw, with at least 25% Black or Green real tea.

Here I am confused Ed. As Mark pointed out, the Carica Papaya is the tropical

version of Paw paw. He wrote:

what i wonder, as it makes a *lot* of difference, when you say Paw Paw

leaves, do you mean Asiminia (the true paw paw), OR the leaves of Papaya, which

in

tropical speak is often called paw paw? They are very different, esp regarding

toxicities..... Papaya has enzymes that will readily break-down living

tissue, and can cause spontaneous miscarriage in pregnant women. Papaya must be

used w/ *great* caution.

just concerned

blessings

mark

[Guest guest]

If pawpaw concentrate is fermented together with other teas the dosage is

calculated on the proportion. For example if I litre of pawpaw concentrate and

one litre of green tea is fermented together the calculated dosage is

100 ml three times a day.

Hello again Ed, First I want to thank you for all of your wonderful help. You

are a true Earth Angel. Second, I was wondering, if I brew as you have stated

above, do I add a Scoby to the brew? I have extras so I won't jeopardize my

pure KT. Blessing to you.

" May the Great and Wise Wolf guide your path " Myrna

[Guest guest]

Hi Myrna,

Here's what I do..

Jar or bottle the herb with some well aged (14 day+) kombucha for 48 hrs. in a

warm place.

Here is a link to a page by Ed Kasper with some info.

http://happyherbalist.com/adding_herbs_to_kombucha.htm#Home%20Made%20Kombucha%20\

Herbal%20Vinegar

He does not suggest how much herb to use because it depends on the presentation

of the beverage.

I have made preparations this way with good results. You can add other fresh

herbs (stevia, ginger, mints are especially good,lavender, catnip etc.) to make

the taste more palatable with extra benefits as well.

Whole sugars like brown rice syrup are good if the taste is too strong. Brown

rice syrup is not as sweet as honey or sugar and is a more sustaining " healthy "

sugar.

If you wanted you could make more of a tincture by putting 2oz of paw paw into

jar with one pint of 14 day+ kombucha and soaking for 48 hours then

refrigerating.

Then when it's time for a " dose " (try two to four times a day between meals)

your sister could mix maybe 2 tablespoons or up to 1/4 cup of the " tincture "

with some regular kombucha or water or juice.

I'm sure there is some more specific info out there somewhere.

I can't tell you exact dosage because I simply don't know. Just start these

things gradually and ask your sister how she feels.

Beau B.

Paw paw and Kombucha

Hello all,

A wonderful Angel sent me some Pawpaw leaves for my sister's cancer.

Now the question is....How do I make this up? She is slready taking

Kombucha so how do I incorporate the Pawpaw or do I make it up

seperately? Any help would be heaven sent.

God Bless you all, Myrna

[Guest guest]

Hello, I believe he is talking about making KT with the leaves. The fruit is

wonderful! I eat it all the time.

" May the Great and Wise Wolf guide your path " Myrna

[Guest guest]

Yes use them fresh! That's the best!

Chop them up and fill a quart jar half full or more with leaves, then top up the

jar with kombucha, then strain the liquid after 48 hrs. You could leave the

leaves in, this may make it less than convenient to pour though

Do you know about Essiac tea?

Beau B.

Re: Paw paw and Kombucha

Hi Beau, Thank you so much for the advise. I didn't know if you could mix it

with the KT or not. Also, these are fresh leaves, not dried. Should I dry them

out first? They are pretty big leaves so I am not sure how much to use. Also

do I remove them after the 48 hours?

" May the Great and Wise Wolf guide your path " Myrna

[Guest guest]

what i wonder, as it makes a *lot* of difference, when you say Paw Paw leaves,

do you mean Asiminia (the true paw paw), OR the leaves of Papaya, which in

tropical speak is often called paw paw? They are very different, esp regarding

toxicities..... Papaya has enzymes that will readily break-down living tissue,

and can cause spontaneous miscarriage in pregnant women. Papaya must be used w/

*great* caution.

just concerned

blessings

mark

Paw paw and Kombucha

Hello all,

A wonderful Angel sent me some Pawpaw leaves for my sister's cancer.

Now the question is....How do I make this up? She is slready taking

Kombucha so how do I incorporate the Pawpaw or do I make it up

seperately? Any help would be heaven sent.

God Bless you all, Myrna

[Guest guest]

from Harald Tietz “Kombucha Miracle Fungus” p.69

The most common recipe for PAWPAW leaf juice.

Use 7 medium size pawpaw leaves not very old ones, and not too young. The

leaves should be washed thoroughly and partly dried. Cut them up like

cabbage and put them in a saucepan together with 2 litres of water. Bring

the water and leaves to the boil and simmer (without a lid) until the water

is reduced by half.

Strain the liquid and bottle in glass containers

a. The concentrate will keep in the refrigerator for 3 to 4 days. If it

becomes cloudy it should be not used anymore.

b. For Kombucha brewing the concentrate is mixed together with green tea or

other medicinal teas to one’s needs.

Kombucha fermentation conserves the properties of the pawpaw leaves in a

natural way.

The recommended dosage in the original recipe is 50 ml three times a day.

The concentrate can also be added to other juices.

If pawpaw concentrate is fermented together with other teas the dosage is

calculated on the proportion. For example if I litre of pawpaw concentrate

and one litre of green tea is fermented together the calculated dosage is

100 ml three times a day.

Some people use the semi-mature (mature green) pawpaw fruit (with seeds and

skin), which is said to have the same healing effect as the pawpaw leaves.

The pawpaw can be blended in a kitchen blender and can be mixed with other

fruits.

Note: Pawpaw ((Carica Papaya)) for kombucha brewing – during the

fermentation process – Harald typically recommends using herbal teas, such

as pawpaw, with at least 25% Black or Green real tea.

As suggested by Beau B (below) others and myself is to add the paw paw leaf

concentrate to the already fermented KT. If you wish to ferment using paw

paw leaves then I recommend keeping a regular kombucha brew going along as

well (to keep a pure KT line). If you use paw paw with aged KT (as suggested

below) then the recommended dosage would be calculated on the proportion -

as Harald points out above. KT has some good reports on helping with cancer.

See also the Kombucha House in Australia http://www.kombucha-house.com/

They produce a variety of paw paw products as well as brew kombucha with the

leaves as recommended by Harald Tietz.

So there are good reports with just paw paw, with KT and paw paw fermented

together, and Kt with paw paw added after fermentation. Depends upon the

individuals taste.

CAUTION: (Carica Papaya) pawpaw - because of its high parpain content -

should not be used by pregnant or nursing mothers.

link to my site with Haralds Book for sale which has a link to Haralds site

where he has numerous health books for sale.

http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_books.htm

Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist & Medicinal Herbalist

http://HappyHerbalist.com eddy@...

Re: Paw paw and Kombucha

Hi Myrna,

Here's what I do..

Jar or bottle the herb with some well aged (14 day+) kombucha for 48 hrs.

in a warm place.

Here is a link to a page by Ed Kasper with some info.

http://happyherbalist.com/adding_herbs_to_kombucha.htm#Home%20Made%20Kombuch

a%20Herbal%20Vinegar

He does not suggest how much herb to use because it depends on the

presentation of the beverage.

I have made preparations this way with good results. You can add other

fresh herbs (stevia, ginger, mints are especially good,lavender, catnip

etc.) to make the taste more palatable with extra benefits as well.

Whole sugars like brown rice syrup are good if the taste is too strong.

Brown rice syrup is not as sweet as honey or sugar and is a more sustaining

" healthy " sugar.

If you wanted you could make more of a tincture by putting 2oz of paw paw

into jar with one pint of 14 day+ kombucha and soaking for 48 hours then

refrigerating.

Then when it's time for a " dose " (try two to four times a day between meals)

your sister could mix maybe 2 tablespoons or up to 1/4 cup of the " tincture "

with some regular kombucha or water or juice.

I'm sure there is some more specific info out there somewhere.

I can't tell you exact dosage because I simply don't know. Just start these

things gradually and ask your sister how she feels.

Beau B.

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[Guest guest]

Hey!

okay, i went to the link. in a glance i could see they're talking about

Asimina, the North american True Pawpaw. Good. It's the tropical Papaya which

often goes by the same name which could be a problem. The Papaya is the source

of papain (sp.?) which is an amino acid used as a meat tenderizer, which readily

dissolves animal tissues and can lead to internal bleeding and severe bruising

etc..

now i know i've read that the Asimina's also contain certain chemical compounds

which in various areas are used medicinally. but i don't know what

for.............this is a good topic for research. The plant family it belongs

to is known as the Annonaceae...someone might wanna research the whole family,

as they (mostly tropical representatives) are known to contain a large group of

chemical compounds, mostly amino-acids, which are used medicinally in many

(mostly tropical) parts of the world. I't's a very complex group, and contains

a tree from Tahiti called Morinda scientifically, and NONI in the commercial

trade which is touted as a super healer/detoxifier. Some of you here might know

more about noni than i do....i'm just pointing out that it's in the same complex

plant family and likely has similar healing qualities as the paw paw.

Blessings

mark

Re: Paw paw and Kombucha

Hi again Mark,

It looks like the pawpaw sent to me from Illinois is the one on this site.

http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/ Is this the good one?

" May the Great and Wise Wolf guide your path " Myrna

[Guest guest]

Maitake Mushroom extract works well for my mother in- law. Reishi and Shitake

mushrooms are good for immunity/balancing/healing too.

Beau B.

Re: Paw paw and Kombucha

Hi thanks again for the advice. Yes, I have been reading about Essiac Tea. I

will be ordering some for her from Ed but in the meantime, I wanted to get her

started on the Paw paw.

" May the Great and Wise Wolf guide your path " Myrna

[Guest guest]

Wow! I'm confused. I live in Hawaii and we eat the papaya several times a week

which most people here do. I have never heard that it could cause miscarriage.

People here have strong healthy babies for the most part.The papaya is

considered one of our most healthy fruits.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the heads up on the different species.

Asimina spp or Carica Papaya ?

I am now looking into the difference and hope to get a qualified answer

soon.

I have only purchased from reputable sources but I never checked in to the

species.

Harald Tietz (kombucha author) as well as the Kombucha House (Australia)

ferment pawpaw leaves with kombucha just like one would using real tea. I

emailed both enquiring about their pawpaw species. I'll post their reply

ASAP.

Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist & Medicinal Herbalist

http://HappyHerbalist.com eddy@...

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ed, This is the email I received from my friend. I wrote and asked him

about it. Here is his reply. He belongs to the GardenWeb.com community.

HI Myrna

Common names are tricky. These leaves are from " Asimina Triloba " the common

pawpaw. There are some other Asimina species, and

some people mean " carica papaya " when they say pawpaw, but I assume A.

Triloba is what you wanted? I hope that the leaves are effective in treating

your

sister " s cancer. Please be careful with them.

Best Regards

[Guest guest]

Hi Huehue, It is a tree that produces a wonderful and delicate fruit. The

fruit and leaves are very medicinal.

There is also a tropical tree call the Pawpaw. It is the Carika Papaya. Here

is a couple of good sites about the common Pawpaw.

http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/

http://canada-gardens.com/2pawpaw.html

" May the Great and Wise Wolf guide your path " Myrna

[Guest guest]

Hi Huehue, I also take Noni and you are right, it is expensive. I guess there

is some problem with the Tropical Pawpaw (carica papaya) versus the common

Pawpaw ( Asimina Triloba). Different toxicity levels I believe. I have read

warnings on the leaves of the tropical tree. Hope this helps.

" May the Great and Wise Wolf guide your path " Myrna

[Guest guest]

Myrna,

I saw someone from North Carolina, or South, on the Food Channel, the other

day talking about Pawpaw. What is Pawpaw? Funny, he did say that this is

what is in the song, " ... way down yonder in the Pawpaw patch " , hmm, what is

Pawpaw?

huehue

> Hello all,

> A wonderful Angel sent me some Pawpaw leaves for my sister's cancer.

> Now the question is....How do I make this up? She is slready taking

> Kombucha so how do I incorporate the Pawpaw or do I make it up

> seperately? Any help would be heaven sent.

> God Bless you all, Myrna

[Guest guest]

He was concerned about papain, I think. Papain is an enzyme, very

beneficial as an aid to digestion. Often, when I can not get papaya fruit,

I take the enzymes as a supplement after a meal. According to Balch and

Balch, the fruit, and the leaves, are rich in several phytochemicals:

Benzaldehyde, beta-carotene, linalool, lycopene, malic acid, methyl

salicylate, myristic acid, papain, phytofluene, and zeaxanthin. They also

contain the following nutrients: Calcium, iron, magnesium, phosphorus,

potassium, zinc, vitamins B1, B2, B3, B5, and C.

Showing the similarity, or relation, to Noni was very interesting. I must

say, I have been drinking KT for 1 1/2 years, now. It was not until three

months ago, that I started drinking 1 1/2 oz. of noni every day. Within one

week, a certain pain I had had in my right foot was gone. The thing is,

unlike KT, Noni is rather expensive.

Is this the Pawpaw that is being refered to in these mailings?

huehue

> Hello, I believe he is talking about making KT with the leaves. The fruit

is

> wonderful! I eat it all the time.

>

>

> " May the Great and Wise Wolf guide your path " Myrna

[Guest guest]

mark,

this is somewhat confussing to me, I have eaten papaya, and taken papain

supplements, for several years. I have read, and heard, nothing but good,

concerning papaya. I have read that it is a great aid for digestion. Where

I live, papaya is offered, in somewhat abundance. The way I understand it

is that the mucous in our system (digestive tract) prevents it from causing

harm to us, in our bodies, though it remains present in the digestive tract

and helps break down the proteins, etc., in the foods we eat. From what I

have read, for several years, those that live in tropical areas, that eat

papaya, with some regularity, have relative good health. I am concerned

with the negative responses you have given concernig the ingestion of

papaya. Do you have some available research regarding its negative

benefits? I mean, what you say is rather alarming, with respect to what

most health authorities say with regard to the " so-called " benefits of

papain and papaya.

huehue

> Here I am confused Ed. As Mark pointed out, the Carica Papaya is the

tropical

> version of Paw paw. He wrote:

> what i wonder, as it makes a *lot* of difference, when you say Paw Paw

> leaves, do you mean Asiminia (the true paw paw), OR the leaves of Papaya,

which in

> tropical speak is often called paw paw? They are very different, esp

regarding

> toxicities..... Papaya has enzymes that will readily break-down living

> tissue, and can cause spontaneous miscarriage in pregnant women. Papaya

must be

> used w/ *great* caution.

>

> just concerned

> blessings

> mark

[Guest guest]

Paw paw and Kombucha the saga continues.

The Kombucha House http://www.kombucha-house.com/ markets and sells the

tropical Pawpaw (carica papaya). Probably because it is widely available in

Australia. I believe them to be highly reputable and they have been brewing

kombucha for many years. They also offer pawpaw in a great many medical

forms. Since this has been going on for many years I will assume that their

products are safe. Until I hear back from Harald Tietz, Since he is also

Australian and has dealt with the Kombucha House I'll assume that (carica

papaya) is the herb that he has recommended - along with the warnings that

are in his book.

Enjoy Your Health,

Ed Kasper L.Ac. California Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist

www.HappyHerbalist.com eddy@...

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/13/04 10:28:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

rehkemper002@... writes:

Brewing kombucha is lots more fun 'cause it tastes so good :>))

Hahaha, you go girl! God Bless you, Myrna

[Guest guest]

We have a Noni tree and I have fermented my own Noni Juice. It is a most

violent smelling product. I did not notice any great improvement in my

health, but I am very healthy at age 79 so I just did not bother with it any

more. It certainly has a reputation of being a great help for many people

Brewing kombucha is lots more fun 'cause it tastes so good :>))

Audrey