Re: toothpaste, etc., Flouride info/ now a better choice

[Guest guest]

Hello and Group,

I've been waiting for anyone to post some real alternatives to flouride

dental care and have decided to put in my two cents worth. I've been using a

product - MicroBrite Antioxidant Tooth Powder for several years now. It's the

best thing I've found for any kind of dental problems using negatively charged

hydrogen ions. It's not cheap but lasts me a year. I don't necessarily care how

something works but that it actually does. If you'd like more details- post.

Sitting back and watching others do the research is easy, but the time lost

using something with flouride in it? Come on, be ambitious. Alvin

Norden <anorden@...> wrote:

I'm following this thread about taking care of our teeth with much

interest.

I too have been told that I have advanced periodontal disease, have had

painful deep cleanings and am now advised to see a surgeon. I brush with a

non fluoride toothpaste. I was interested in the posting about brushing

with soap to help periodontal problems. I would like to approach this

naturally and sensibly. If anyone has any ideas or good experience please

let me know. Thanks.

Tom's of Maine toothpaste, etc., was: new file posted /

Flouride info

> > I have a question about Tom's toothpaste. I have the orange flavored

> > one and it says that it has floride. It also has glyceryn (which

> > according to the file says blocks the re-mineralization of the

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> There are many, many different varieties of Tom's toothpaste. Go to

> their website for complete list of ingredients for each variety, and

> also for a glossary of ingredients.

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> I know that many people choose to brush their teeth with baking soda.

> I've never been able to " stomach " the flavor, but many swear by it. It

> seems a pretty benign way to get one's teeth clean?

>

> ~ Genie

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[Guest guest]

I agree with Alvin, never, never, never under any circumstances put FLOURIDE in

your

body. There is no safe limit and the only flouride that actually toughens enamel

is the one

found in the soil ground water which is completely different than the one

crammed down

our throats by the dental industry. Same goes for children.

A few months ago I cured an abscessed tooth, as well as some pretty bad

peridontal

erosion by the following protocol:

1) CHANGING DENTISTS! I now go to Tom Austin (who didn't do a root canal!)

2) I got WHITE OAK BARK and PLANTAIN tinctures from herbalist MATT WOOD.

(5 drops 2-3 times a day, alternating the remediies)

3) Chewing on fresh PLANTAIN leaves as often as possible

4) Swishing TEA TREE OIL mouthwash around in my mouth for a full 2 minutes

5) Brushing my teeth with mouthwash for several minutes

6) Switching to a SOFTER TOOTHBRUSH

7) Have a good deep cleansing which I will repeat every 3-6 months for a while

8) Vitamins C, CLO, CO, Hi Vitamin Butter Oil, trace minerals, Se, I, Zn

9) Good diet, with a perfusion of dark leafy greens, fresh berries and grass-fed

10) I'm looking into the brushing with soap idea, or Alvin's suggestion now.

(I think the results achieved with natural remedies are directly proportional to

the degree

to which you aggressively pursue them!)

Will Winter, Cured

[Guest guest]

Ok, Y'all have inspired me to get my act together in regards to my

teeth. We do not have a dentist, and my teeth are horrible with

exposed nerves, one of the two worst cases my dentist back in MI told

me and I am only 37. I stopped using sensitive toothpaste (loaded

with flouride)and my teeth began to hurt badly again. I use MIpaste

which is supposedly natural. I bought non flouride toothpaste with no

SDS in it (is SDS really bad or not?) and everyone hated it and it

shot tooth paste spit all over the place whenever anyone brushed their

teeth, on the counter, mirror, doors, clothes etc.) We all got sick

of that real quick. I think it was the lack of foaming agent that

caused the problem. Any ideas there?

And lastly, i DID look at the data base for dentist. How up to date

is that list? I found another list else where for natural dentists in

the area, there are 3 on my list, and they are not in this data base.

I hate going to dentists without recommendations since my teeth are

so sensitive.

I had to take my dd to a ped. dentist last week for a dental

emergency. I took her to the only one available to see her. Poor

sweetie it looks like she is going to lose her tooth as it is turning

grey. But I do not want to stay with the " unnatural " ped dentist even

though she was very nice, just because she will want to pour them full

of flouride. But I do want to know what to do to help protect their

teeth, especially in this more urgent matter with my dd tooth, so it

is time to find a dentist.

Blessings

Carol

[Guest guest]

Carol, sounds like you don't need a foaming agent in your toothpaste, you just

get a very soft

brush and SLOW DOWN! I'll bet the dental technician will show your family how to

brush

without causing a blizzard of foam. Sounds like it could make a hilarious home

movie

though!

Go to a good guy like Tom Austin, including your kiddie, go asap, and start

brushing with

tea tree oil or other gentle herbal now. I'm guessing your teeth won't be all

that bad once he

gets to work on you. Then you can enjoy life! There was a reason you left the

U.P.

Will Winter

[Guest guest]

Hello All (smile),

I have a few other tooth care suggestions to pass on~

*floss with tea tree oil floss

*rub gums with tea tree oil directly after flossing

*swish liquid chlorophyl around gums after flossing, while the gums

are open and clean

This really works. I've been doing it for years and was told I could

wait a couple of years before going back to the dentist.

Pagitt

naturalhealthcoach@...

[Guest guest]

If you need lots of work done, and have the ability to travel, I used a

biological dentist in Mexico. Down there, they do not schedule and work

like here. In one weeks time I had amalgams removed, according to

protocol, crowns redone, extractions and cavitations done, fillings

replaced, partials made and very very satisfied. He was Mexican and

American trained. He speaks fluent English, is very gentle, and his office

is cleaner than many I have encountered here. I have recommended his work

to many people who have also been very satisfied. Especially if cost is an

issue. With airfare, car rentals, hotels, and all expenses it came to 1/4

of the estimates received here locally. All non toxic materials. Have been

going there for probably 10 years. You can even make a vacation out of the

experience. Here I had trouble with sensitive areas, Novocain bothering for

days after and other side effects. These problems were with more than one

dentist locally. That never happened in Mexico.

The last person I took down there was very nervous and worried about the

long time it would take in the chair because she had a bad back.. She was

treated very well and was surprised at how smoothly and quickly the

procedure went.

Re: toothpaste, etc., Flouride info/ now a better choice

Ok, Y'all have inspired me to get my act together in regards to my

teeth. We do not have a dentist, and my teeth are horrible with

exposed nerves, one of the two worst cases my dentist back in MI told

me and I am only 37. I stopped using sensitive toothpaste (loaded

with flouride)and my teeth began to hurt badly again. I use MIpaste

which is supposedly natural. I bought non flouride toothpaste with no

SDS in it (is SDS really bad or not?) and everyone hated it and it

shot tooth paste spit all over the place whenever anyone brushed their

teeth, on the counter, mirror, doors, clothes etc.) We all got sick

of that real quick. I think it was the lack of foaming agent that

caused the problem. Any ideas there?

And lastly, i DID look at the data base for dentist. How up to date

is that list? I found another list else where for natural dentists in

the area, there are 3 on my list, and they are not in this data base.

I hate going to dentists without recommendations since my teeth are

so sensitive.

I had to take my dd to a ped. dentist last week for a dental

emergency. I took her to the only one available to see her. Poor

sweetie it looks like she is going to lose her tooth as it is turning

grey. But I do not want to stay with the " unnatural " ped dentist even

though she was very nice, just because she will want to pour them full

of flouride. But I do want to know what to do to help protect their

teeth, especially in this more urgent matter with my dd tooth, so it

is time to find a dentist.

Blessings

Carol

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[Guest guest]

Hi everyone. The tooth topic seems to be sensitive to many (slight

pun intended ;-))

I ordered the book, " Good Teeth Birth To Death " , from Dr Judd.

(From the recent file added) He mailed it out and I recieved it

this week. I can summarize what he recommends like this:

1. Acids erode enamel - rinse with water or milk while eating.

2. Teeth can remineralize with sufficient calcium and phosphate in

the diet.

3. Avoid all sources of fluoride.

That is the VERY condensed version. Following is a more detailed

version of what he recommends: (I have a couple questions at the end)

Plan for good teeth (taken verbatim from the book):

All Vitamins and Minerals are for a 165 lb person daily. Adjust

according to weight.

1. Take 1000 mg Calcium with vitamin D. Supplement with milk,

cheese, nuts, eggs.

2. Take 1/6 tsp of monosodium phosphate (800-344-2047) in 1 " H2O.

Supplement w root crops.

3. Rinse sugar and soda pop off teeth as soon as possible (tart

acids destroy enamel rapidly)

4. Avoid all fluoride products. Avoid current toothpastes. They

contain acid, sugar, fluoride, chalk, silica, methyl benzoate, red &

blue dyes, soap, mixing agents, and glycerol.

5. Take 4000 mg vitamin C. Add 1 tsp C and 1/2 tsp baking soda to

1 inch water, let fiz, dilute.

6. Take the RDA (required daily allowance) of all vitamins and

minerals.

7. Brush teeth with bar soap only, digging out all trapped food

with a sharpened toothpick.

8. Be careful crunching hard material such as corn kernels and

ice. Teeth will break.

9. Take antibiotics (3 days), vitamin C and peroxide (1/5 tsp 35%

in 1 cup water) for infection.

10. Think about the problem and consult on an individual basis.

Your history is unique!

11. Study and avoid the unsolved contributors which may harm tooth

enamel, such as fluoride.

Obviously I have not tried this regime, nor am I promoting it. I

just offer it as information. I personally am willing to give it a

try. I do have damaged teeth and it makes sense to increase calcium

and phosphate intake (the two major components of tooth enamel) to

facilitate remineralization.

He is a chemist and explained how vitamin C (ascorbic acid) is more

bioavailable in the form of calcium ascorbate. That is what you get

when you mix vitamin C with baking soda and water. The reason for

this is that fluoride makes connective tissue in the body detach and

vitamin C is needed to reconnect gums to teeth, as well as aiding

all the other connective tissue in the body.

Questions:

1. Does anyone have any red flags with this regime?

2. He is recommending monosodium phosphate as a source of needed

phosphate. Does anyone know of any harmful side affects of this?

3. Obviously if everyone ate a totally balanced nutrient dense

diet, no supplements would be needed. I am curious how many of you

do take daily vitamins (the balanced " one a day " type).

Hope this was helpful. Thanks in advance for answering the

questions here at the end.

Luke