Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Excellent. Will have some good data I would think. If there is anyone out there who has not done it yet ease complete and we will do some data Analysis and get back to everyone. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-) May your pressure be low! CE Grim MD Specializing in Difficult Hypertension On Apr 5, 2009, at 8:18 AM, shahall <shahall@...> wrote: > 23 members have taken the PA survey so far. If you've been diagnosed > with PA by a physician and haven't filled out the survey yet, please > take a few minutes to do it. > > http://www.kwiksurveys.com/online-survey.php?surveyID=HIJIO_f2685379 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 The only suggestion I would make is to allow a " don't know " choice about hyperplasia vs. adenoma. I checked hyperplasia but don't know that for a fact. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim Excellent. Will have some good data I would think. If there is anyone out there who has not done it yet ease complete and we will do some data Analysis and get back to everyone. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-) May your pressure be low! CE Grim MD Specializing in Difficult Hypertension On Apr 5, 2009, at 8:18 AM, shahall <shahall@... <mailto:shahall%40> > wrote: > 23 members have taken the PA survey so far. If you've been diagnosed > with PA by a physician and haven't filled out the survey yet, please > take a few minutes to do it. > > http://www.kwiksurveys.com/online-survey.php?surveyID=HIJIO_f2685379 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 no i am not interested in authorizing use of personal ID information in any public manner. no competent research does this. quite the opposite. as99 ----------------- On Apr 5, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Valarie wrote: > The only suggestion I would make is to allow a " don't know " choice > about > hyperplasia vs. adenoma. I checked hyperplasia but don't know that > for a > fact. > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim > > Excellent. Will have some good data > I would think. If there is anyone out there who has not done it yet > ease complete and we will do some data > Analysis and get back to everyone. > > Tiped sad Send form mi > iPhone ;-) > > May your pressure be low! > > CE Grim MD > Specializing in Difficult > Hypertension > > On Apr 5, 2009, at 8:18 AM, shahall <shahall@... > <mailto:shahall%40> > wrote: > > > 23 members have taken the PA survey so far. If you've been diagnosed > > with PA by a physician and haven't filled out the survey yet, please > > take a few minutes to do it. > > > > http://www.kwiksurveys.com/online-survey.php?surveyID=HIJIO_f2685379 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 or not sure or not certain? On Apr 5, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Valarie wrote: > The only suggestion I would make is to allow a " don't know " choice > about > hyperplasia vs. adenoma. I checked hyperplasia but don't know that > for a > fact. > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim > > Excellent. Will have some good data > I would think. If there is anyone out there who has not done it yet > ease complete and we will do some data > Analysis and get back to everyone. > > Tiped sad Send form mi > iPhone ;-) > > May your pressure be low! > > CE Grim MD > Specializing in Difficult > Hypertension > > On Apr 5, 2009, at 8:18 AM, shahall <shahall@... > <mailto:shahall%40> > wrote: > > > 23 members have taken the PA survey so far. If you've been diagnosed > > with PA by a physician and haven't filled out the survey yet, please > > take a few minutes to do it. > > > > http://www.kwiksurveys.com/online-survey.php?surveyID=HIJIO_f2685379 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 The thing is, unless someone has had AVS, he/she doesn't know if it is hyperplasia or adenoma. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim or not sure or not certain? On Apr 5, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Valarie wrote: > The only suggestion I would make is to allow a " don't know " choice > about > hyperplasia vs. adenoma. I checked hyperplasia but don't know that > for a > fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 The docs should be " communicating " better and whether or not they do I always get copies of the final written reports on any diagnostic test or surgery, just as if it were an itemized bill for a car repair or a phone bill. I also scanned a whole bunch of stuff about AVS recently. There is a substantial professional grouping that argues that AVS is now superfluous because: • progress in CT/MRI technology permits better pictures of adenomas and better judgments about them; • AVS is justified only if the pictures are ambiguous. ============================================================= On Apr 6, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Valarie wrote: > The thing is, unless someone has had AVS, he/she doesn't know if it is > hyperplasia or adenoma. > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim > > or not sure or not certain? > > On Apr 5, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Valarie wrote: > > > The only suggestion I would make is to allow a " don't know " choice > > about > > hyperplasia vs. adenoma. I checked hyperplasia but don't know that > > for a > > fact. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Arthur, can you cite some articles that say that AVS is now superfluous? There are adenomas smaller than can be seen on CT. How are these accounted for? Val -----Original Message----- From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of arthur springer The docs should be " communicating " better and whether or not they do I always get copies of the final written reports on any diagnostic test or surgery, just as if it were an itemized bill for a car repair or a phone bill. I also scanned a whole bunch of stuff about AVS recently. There is a substantial professional grouping that argues that AVS is now superfluous because: .. progress in CT/MRI technology permits better pictures of adenomas and better judgments about them; .. AVS is justified only if the pictures are ambiguous. ============================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 • go to NIH, & PubMed, and Medline and Google home page. • Try NCBI (National Center for Biotechnology Information) • Search Google for http://www.google.com/search?q=adrenal+venous+sampling; • and for adrenal venous sampling; hyperaldosteronism; etc etc etc ... make it up as you go along until you hit whatever works. I came up with several hundred published papers and scanned many of them. Oneof themost productive searches was adrenal venous sampling risks; • Image-Guided Intervention, 2-Volume Set: Expert Radiology Series‎ by A. Mauro, Kieran , Thomson, Venbrux, Christoph L. Zollikofer - Medical - 2008 - 1928 pages; see p. 1147;; # Is Adrenal Venous Sampling Necessary in All Patients with ... Patients were selected to undergo adrenal venous sampling for lateralization of the abnormal adrenal gland if (i) the tumor was smaller than 1.0 cm on CT, ... www.jvir.org/cgi/content/full/19/1/66?ck=nck - Similar pages - # Is Adrenal Venous Sampling Necessary in All Patients with ... Is Adrenal Venous Sampling Necessary in All Patients with Hyperaldosteronism before Adrenalectomy? Rasa Zarnegar, MDa,c, Alan I. Bloom, MDb, Lee, MDd, ... www.jvir.org/cgi/content/abstract/19/1/66?ck=nck - Similar pages - # Relative value of computed tomography scanning and venous sampling ... QUICK SEARCH: [advanced] ... Citing Articles via Google Scholar. Google Scholar. Right arrow ... Bilateral venous sampling of adrenal veins was attempted in all patients and blood collected for .... W. T. Shen, R. C. Lim, A. E. Siperstein, O. H. , W. P. Schecter, T. K. Hunt, J. K. Horn, and Q.-Y. Duh ... www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/134/3/308 - Similar pages - by R Sheaves - 1996 - Cited by 44 - Related articles # Minireview: Primary Aldosteronism--Changing Concepts in Diagnosis ... Institution: Google Indexer | Sign In via User Name/Password ... Search for Related Content. PubMed. Right arrow, PubMed Citation .... Some centers perform adrenal venous sampling in all patients diagnosed with primary aldosteronism (45). .... Milbank Mem Fund Q 47:170–186[CrossRef]; Kaplan NM 1967 Hypokalemia in ... endo.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/144/6/2208 - Similar pages - by WF Young Jr - 2003 - Cited by 187 - Related articles - All 6 versions ••••••••••••••••••••••••••â€\ ¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â\ €¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢â€¢ On Apr 6, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Valarie wrote: > Arthur, can you cite some articles that say that AVS is now > superfluous? > There are adenomas smaller than can be seen on CT. How are these > accounted > for? > > Val > > -----Original Message----- > From: hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of arthur > springer > > The docs should be " communicating " better and whether or not they do I > always get copies of the final written reports on any diagnostic test > or surgery, > just as if it were an itemized bill for a car repair or a phone bill. > I also scanned a whole bunch of stuff about AVS recently. There is a > substantial professional grouping that argues that AVS is now > superfluous because: > . progress in CT/MRI technology permits better pictures of adenomas > and > better judgments about them; > . AVS is justified only if the pictures are ambiguous. > ============================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 What you need to tabulate from these articles is how long the average follow was. Without that we are in the dark. CE Grim MD On Apr 6, 2009, at 7:48 PM, arthur springer wrote: > • go to NIH, & PubMed, and Medline and Google home page. > • Try NCBI (National Center for Biotechnology Information) > • Search Google for > http://www.google.com/search?q=adrenal+venous+sampling; > > • and for adrenal venous sampling; hyperaldosteronism; etc etc > etc ... > make it up as you go along until you hit whatever works. I came up > with several hundred published papers and scanned many of them. Oneof > themost productive searches was > adrenal venous sampling risks; > > • Image-Guided Intervention, 2-Volume Set: Expert Radiology > Series‎ > by A. Mauro, Kieran , Thomson, Venbrux, > Christoph L. Zollikofer - Medical - 2008 - 1928 pages; see p. 1147;; > > # > Is Adrenal Venous Sampling Necessary in All Patients with ... > Patients were selected to undergo adrenal venous sampling for > lateralization of the abnormal adrenal gland if (i) the tumor was > smaller than 1.0 cm on CT, ... > www.jvir.org/cgi/content/full/19/1/66?ck=nck - Similar pages - > # > Is Adrenal Venous Sampling Necessary in All Patients with ... > Is Adrenal Venous Sampling Necessary in All Patients with > Hyperaldosteronism before Adrenalectomy? Rasa Zarnegar, MDa,c, Alan I. > Bloom, MDb, Lee, MDd, ... > www.jvir.org/cgi/content/abstract/19/1/66?ck=nck - Similar pages - > # > Relative value of computed tomography scanning and venous sampling ... > QUICK SEARCH: [advanced] ... Citing Articles via Google Scholar. > Google > Scholar. Right arrow ... Bilateral venous sampling of adrenal veins > was > attempted in all patients and blood collected for .... W. T. Shen, R. > C. Lim, A. E. Siperstein, O. H. , W. P. Schecter, T. K. Hunt, J. > K. Horn, and Q.-Y. Duh ... > www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/134/3/308 - Similar pages - > by R Sheaves - 1996 - Cited by 44 - Related articles > # > Minireview: Primary Aldosteronism--Changing Concepts in Diagnosis ... > Institution: Google Indexer | Sign In via User Name/Password ... > Search > for Related Content. PubMed. Right arrow, PubMed Citation .... Some > centers perform adrenal venous sampling in all patients diagnosed with > primary aldosteronism (45). .... Milbank Mem Fund Q > 47:170–186[CrossRef]; Kaplan NM 1967 Hypokalemia in ... > endo.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/144/6/2208 - Similar pages - > by WF Young Jr - 2003 - Cited by 187 - Related articles - All 6 > versions > ••••••••••••••••••••••• > ••••••••••••••••••••••• > ••••••••••••••••••••••• > •• > On Apr 6, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Valarie wrote: > > > Arthur, can you cite some articles that say that AVS is now > > superfluous? > > There are adenomas smaller than can be seen on CT. How are these > > accounted > > for? > > > > Val > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hyperaldosteronism > > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of arthur > > springer > > > > The docs should be " communicating " better and whether or not they > do I > > always get copies of the final written reports on any diagnostic > test > > or surgery, > > just as if it were an itemized bill for a car repair or a phone > bill. > > I also scanned a whole bunch of stuff about AVS recently. There is a > > substantial professional grouping that argues that AVS is now > > superfluous because: > > . progress in CT/MRI technology permits better pictures of adenomas > > and > > better judgments about them; > > . AVS is justified only if the pictures are ambiguous. > > ============================================================= > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Recommend you also reread the Endo Soc Guidelines. CE Grim MD On Apr 6, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Valarie wrote: > Arthur, can you cite some articles that say that AVS is now > superfluous? > There are adenomas smaller than can be seen on CT. How are these > accounted > for? > > Val > > -----Original Message----- > From: hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of arthur > springer > > The docs should be " communicating " better and whether or not they do I > always get copies of the final written reports on any diagnostic test > or surgery, > just as if it were an itemized bill for a car repair or a phone bill. > I also scanned a whole bunch of stuff about AVS recently. There is a > substantial professional grouping that argues that AVS is now > superfluous because: > . progress in CT/MRI technology permits better pictures of adenomas > and > better judgments about them; > . AVS is justified only if the pictures are ambiguous. > ============================================================= > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 The PA survey will remain available to fill ou until this Friday. It will then be closed and the results will be shared with the group. If anyone who has been diagnosed with PA by a physician has not yet filled it out, please take a few minutes to do so. http://www.kwiksurveys.com/online-survey.php?surveyID=HIJIO_f2685379 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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