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I all......some of the oldtimers know me....I read but rarely

write......kinda like a fine spice....a little goes a long way. I was

diagnosed at Mayo, Ariz w/ a very mild case of AIH in March, 1998. No

symptoms and only a very mildly elevated GGTP. Biopsy showed mild inflamation

but had high SMA. Mayo prescribed waiting and watching....no meds. I go back

for another biopsy March, 2000. The Mayo folks think there are a lot of folks

like me that just have a mild case and doesn't flare .... that's why this

disease is so strange ... it runs in all forms and degrees of severity.

Concerning the conventio ..... SUE....GO For IT!!!! Mayo, Minn would be a

great, non-winter meeting place. I'd suggest we get voulunteers to research

specific areas and find the experts to repot....eg: symptoms, current meds,

new meds, stem cell research, artificial livers.....etc.

This could be a great event and a great time to meet all the AIHer's. I'd

also suggest we keep it to autoimmune hepatitis of all types ..... we do need

a forum that doesn't get diluted by all other types of liver disease .....

just my opinion .... I certainly would consider PBC and related diseases part

of the autoimmune group.

Good health to all,

Rick, AIH

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What does GGTP stand for.

Perhaps some kind of booklet of notes from the convention can be made for

those of us who cant go.

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>I all......some of the oldtimers know me....I read but rarely

>write......kinda like a fine spice....a little goes a long way. I was

>diagnosed at Mayo, Ariz w/ a very mild case of AIH in March, 1998. No

>symptoms and only a very mildly elevated GGTP. Biopsy showed mild

>inflamation

>but had high SMA. Mayo prescribed waiting and watching....no meds. I go

>back

>for another biopsy March, 2000. The Mayo folks think there are a lot of

>folks

>like me that just have a mild case and doesn't flare .... that's why this

>disease is so strange ... it runs in all forms and degrees of severity.

>

>Concerning the conventio ..... SUE....GO For IT!!!! Mayo, Minn would be a

>great, non-winter meeting place. I'd suggest we get voulunteers to research

>specific areas and find the experts to repot....eg: symptoms, current meds,

>new meds, stem cell research, artificial livers.....etc.

>

>This could be a great event and a great time to meet all the AIHer's. I'd

>also suggest we keep it to autoimmune hepatitis of all types ..... we do

>need

>a forum that doesn't get diluted by all other types of liver disease .....

>just my opinion .... I certainly would consider PBC and related diseases

>part

>of the autoimmune group.

>

>Good health to all,

>

>Rick, AIH

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One of our member, Katrina, age 20, (achondroplasia) received her exam

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congratulations, katrina! i'm an RN in the USA, thats a hell of a tough

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Well Guys here,

I use to smoke pot and yes it did seem to help with pain but I have a

lot of breathing problems today so it may be like Gretchen said not so

good for the lungs. I have heard of it becoming legal for medicinal

purposes.....I had an uncle who said that during the wars it was a

Godsend. He was about 65 yrs. old when he told me this and that was

some 20 yrs.ago so who knows maybe some day it will come back as a legal

painkiller and serve some good purpose.

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Hello list,

After getting very ill 12/01/99, I am feeling much better. I had been on the

Atkins diet and ingesting Nutrasweet products simultaneously, and, after 6

months, they took their toll. My nervous system started shivering, and my

immune system shut down. I got severe insomnia, lower back pain, RLS, and

all the symptoms of hypothyroidism and CFS.. The doctors gave me little

help, so I read up on the internet regarding nutrition and hypothyroidism. I

have been taking handfuls of supplements daily, and gave up caffeine and

alcohol.

I won't bore you with the list of supplements, but this week (after 5

months) I was able to quit all the RXs and pain relievers, and my RLS and

insomnia is gone. All that remains is a little lower back pain.

I thank you for all the info I received from this group, and will respond to

emails if you want the list of supplements I've been taking.

Regards,

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Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 19:38:45 -0000

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Subject: Acupuncture as a treatment??

Has anyone tried acupuncture to stimulate their tyroid? Or has anyone

tried any alternative therapies or diet therapies (successfully?)

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Can anyone tell me how to get info on the toilet training program Dr.

Carbone, recommends, I think it's by Fox & Ash -something. I know he

mentioned it as his #1 wkshop. Also, for those of you who have potty trained

did you look for certain signs to help decide if it was time to start or did

you just decide it's time (that's kind of my thinking right now) My son is

4.5, and has had a disrobing behavior for about two years, we used to pin his

clothes on at one time, then just recently he was doing great for maybe eight

weeks, now all the sudden the disrobing has come back full force (we wonder

if it isn't because we go to the pool almost everyday and are changing

clothes alot), with the disrobing comes the getting into the pants business.

He disrobes and goes into his pants (BM) usually in one of the bathrooms, but

I really don't know that he actually knows the function of the bathroom, I

think he just likes the room and he likes to look at himself in mirrors. We

have also had a problem getting just one nice BM a day, instead we might get

8 - 10 small ones, 3 - 4 of those he may get to himself if we aren't watching

every second! Sorry didn't mean to go into so much detail, but would love to

hear from you if you can relate or have the info on the toileting program.

Thanks,

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Dear Claudine:

I did give the Medical " definition for treatment, and you have to

understand that there are some excellent providers out there, and some

who should not be working with patient's of this nature at all. In my

own practices I always tailor therapy to a patient's needs,

understanding, desires, etc. Also, I offer as much information as

possible, but, the ultimate decision on treatment or waiting, ALWAYS is

the patient's and their " family " .

As you said, we do not know very much about the disease and can not

predict whether anyone actually will get better or worse. On the same

hand, there are many people who have gone from infection to the liver

transplant list in less than a year. So, since we do not know as much as

we should, everyone is playing " craps " . If you treat early, you may

avoid viral replication and further damage, and maybe more will respond.

On the other hand, if you treat, you may build a resistance and when

something is really needed, you may not have that option. Add all the

side effects, and potential problems from them, and no one has a good

answer.

No one knows why or the hows, but, if your liver is destroyed, the

outcome is known. Also, the Genotype can be detected even if the PCR

shows undetectable. While the combo is lousy, it is all that's approved

at this point. Maybe a cure will come in the next month, or maybe it

never will be found in our life time.

So, there are many unknowns at this stage, but, from my experiences

and what I have read, is that patients should be started on therapy as

soon as they can, and the long term rates of remission seem to be

related to how early therapy is started after infection and detection.

But, I respect what you said, and, again, I would allow you, or anyone

else to make the final decision. Marty

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Dear Claudine:

I did give the Medical " definition for treatment, and you have to

understand that there are some excellent providers out there, and some

who should not be working with patient's of this nature at all. In my

own practices I always tailor therapy to a patient's needs,

understanding, desires, etc. Also, I offer as much information as

possible, but, the ultimate decision on treatment or waiting, ALWAYS is

the patient's and their " family " .

As you said, we do not know very much about the disease and can not

predict whether anyone actually will get better or worse. On the same

hand, there are many people who have gone from infection to the liver

transplant list in less than a year. So, since we do not know as much as

we should, everyone is playing " craps " . If you treat early, you may

avoid viral replication and further damage, and maybe more will respond.

On the other hand, if you treat, you may build a resistance and when

something is really needed, you may not have that option. Add all the

side effects, and potential problems from them, and no one has a good

answer.

No one knows why or the hows, but, if your liver is destroyed, the

outcome is known. Also, the Genotype can be detected even if the PCR

shows undetectable. While the combo is lousy, it is all that's approved

at this point. Maybe a cure will come in the next month, or maybe it

never will be found in our life time.

So, there are many unknowns at this stage, but, from my experiences

and what I have read, is that patients should be started on therapy as

soon as they can, and the long term rates of remission seem to be

related to how early therapy is started after infection and detection.

But, I respect what you said, and, again, I would allow you, or anyone

else to make the final decision. Marty

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Dear Libby:

Most people begin to feel better fairly soon after treatment,

usually within the first week or two. But, everyone's body is different,

and it take a few weeks or months to a year, for your body to return to

" normal " . Marty

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Dear Libby:

Most people begin to feel better fairly soon after treatment,

usually within the first week or two. But, everyone's body is different,

and it take a few weeks or months to a year, for your body to return to

" normal " . Marty

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--- 2byteme@... wrote:

> On the same

> hand, there are many people who have gone from

> infection to the liver

> transplant list in less than a year.

Are you saying from infection, or diagnosis, to the

liver transplant list in less than a year? There is a

big difference there! I have never heard of anyone

going from becoming infected with HCV to liver damage

so severe they need a transplant in that amount of

time. Not from HCV. All literature says 20 to 30

years of infection before cirrhosis, if it is going to

occur. The person would have had to have had some

pre-existing liver damage from some other cause.

So, since we do

> not know as much as

> we should, everyone is playing " craps " . If you treat

> early, you may

> avoid viral replication and further damage, and

> maybe more will respond.

Most people don't know early. Most have had this many

years before they are diagnosed. We already missed

early!!

> On the other hand, if you treat, you may build a

> resistance and when

> something is really needed, you may not have that

> option.

This is something most people are never told about

prior to treatment. And I don't believe that the fact

that if you are a non-responder that the remaining

virus is in all likelihood going to be resistant to

interferon should keep a person from ever taking

treatment. But I do think that, since it's a " crap

shoot " , you should first do everything you can to give

yourself the best odds possible! Just treating 'early'

isn't good enough, especially since by the time we

know we've got HCV it's been years already. If a

person has any factors that are lowering his odds of

responding to treatment, then the treatment needs to

be re-evaluated, and adjusted to make it as effective

as possible for that person. The first round of

treatment is a persons best shot at it.

Non-responders have a very, very slim chance of

responding to retreatment with any interferon-based

treatment, which is the only thing available now and

anytime in the near future.

>Also, the Genotype can be detected

> even if the PCR

> shows undetectable.

If there is no detectable HCV-RNA how can a genotype

be determined? I know of two people who could not be

genotyped because there was no detectable HCV-RNA.

Take care, Claudine

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Claudine

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--- 2byteme@... wrote:

> On the same

> hand, there are many people who have gone from

> infection to the liver

> transplant list in less than a year.

Are you saying from infection, or diagnosis, to the

liver transplant list in less than a year? There is a

big difference there! I have never heard of anyone

going from becoming infected with HCV to liver damage

so severe they need a transplant in that amount of

time. Not from HCV. All literature says 20 to 30

years of infection before cirrhosis, if it is going to

occur. The person would have had to have had some

pre-existing liver damage from some other cause.

So, since we do

> not know as much as

> we should, everyone is playing " craps " . If you treat

> early, you may

> avoid viral replication and further damage, and

> maybe more will respond.

Most people don't know early. Most have had this many

years before they are diagnosed. We already missed

early!!

> On the other hand, if you treat, you may build a

> resistance and when

> something is really needed, you may not have that

> option.

This is something most people are never told about

prior to treatment. And I don't believe that the fact

that if you are a non-responder that the remaining

virus is in all likelihood going to be resistant to

interferon should keep a person from ever taking

treatment. But I do think that, since it's a " crap

shoot " , you should first do everything you can to give

yourself the best odds possible! Just treating 'early'

isn't good enough, especially since by the time we

know we've got HCV it's been years already. If a

person has any factors that are lowering his odds of

responding to treatment, then the treatment needs to

be re-evaluated, and adjusted to make it as effective

as possible for that person. The first round of

treatment is a persons best shot at it.

Non-responders have a very, very slim chance of

responding to retreatment with any interferon-based

treatment, which is the only thing available now and

anytime in the near future.

>Also, the Genotype can be detected

> even if the PCR

> shows undetectable.

If there is no detectable HCV-RNA how can a genotype

be determined? I know of two people who could not be

genotyped because there was no detectable HCV-RNA.

Take care, Claudine

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Claudine

claudinecrews@...

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> Are you saying from infection, or diagnosis, to the

> liver transplant list in less than a year?

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Its called rapid fulminant HCV. A small percentage of people infected with

HCV respond to it in this way. Liver death is very quick for them. It is

not mentioned too often.

gail

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>From: claudine intexas <claudineintexas@...>

> Are you saying from infection, or diagnosis, to the

> liver transplant list in less than a year?

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Its called rapid fulminant HCV. A small percentage of people infected with

HCV respond to it in this way. Liver death is very quick for them. It is

not mentioned too often.

gail

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Thank you all for answering my question. I got Hep C thru blood transfusions for Sickle-Cell decease. Sickle cell is a very painful & debilitating decease, so sometimes I confuse my symptoms. But lately my hemoglobin counts have been normal, but I still feel very fatigue, so by your answers I can see that it's probably the Hep C that's causing the fatigue and abdominal pain. I have an appt with the Liver guy next week, so let's see what he says.

Thank you all for the support.

I hope every one had a nice Christmas & I wish you all a healthy & wonderful New Year.

Love,

Ada

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Hey I'm glad to know we helped you....Please stay in touch regardless if you are going to the Dr. or not...We just like the chit chat we can all share but let us know what the liver Dr. says ok...My Christmas was good and I hope the New Year brings a cure for this damn dragon we keep trying to slay.........

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I hope things go well for you. I have heard that they

are making progress on treating sickle cell, I hope

that you can find some relief on both fronts.. Good

luck. -dz-

--- adapena1@... wrote:

> Thank you all for answering my question. I got Hep

> C thru blood transfusions

> for Sickle-Cell decease. Sickle cell is a very

> painful & debilitating

> decease, so sometimes I confuse my symptoms. But

> lately my hemoglobin counts

> have been normal, but I still feel very fatigue, so

> by your answers I can see

> that it's probably the Hep C that's causing the

> fatigue and abdominal pain.

> I have an appt with the Liver guy next week, so

> let's see what he says.

> Thank you all for the support.

> I hope every one had a nice Christmas & I wish you

> all a healthy & wonderful

> New Year.

> Love,

> Ada

>

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Ok. I am REALLy behind on the posts. But I have to ask...this " Spot Shot " Is it

carpet cleaner or laundry spot remover? I've looke all through the carpet stuff.

I accidently bought the cats food with die in it so now I have yucky stains on

my new white carpet...well the apartment's new white carpet.

Terry is pretty crappy at the domestic chores too. I vow that if I ever have a

son he'll learn to be a great homemaker as well as breadwinner...just in case.

And I won't be evil to his wife for not cooking/cleaning for him 24/7. Terry's

mom doted/dotes on him all the time and expects me to do the same. No wonder he

can't scrub a toilet or sift a cat box. Yeesh.

a

Who had two somewhat active days outside this weekend hiking.

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You can buy some stuff called Folex at Home Depot that will get the stains

out.

Re: Digest Number 224

Ok. I am REALLy behind on the posts. But I have to ask...this " Spot Shot " Is

it carpet cleaner or laundry spot remover? I've looke all through the carpet

stuff. I accidently bought the cats food with die in it so now I have yucky

stains on my new white carpet...well the apartment's new white carpet.

Terry is pretty crappy at the domestic chores too. I vow that if I ever have

a son he'll learn to be a great homemaker as well as breadwinner...just in

case. And I won't be evil to his wife for not cooking/cleaning for him 24/7.

Terry's mom doted/dotes on him all the time and expects me to do the same.

No wonder he can't scrub a toilet or sift a cat box. Yeesh.

a

Who had two somewhat active days outside this weekend hiking.

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