Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 Ruth, Remember I worked at the South and West Region - it is not impression - it was fact. Public health was about doctors and there was little or no understanding of nursing let alone health visiting. Margaret Re: NMC > > > > > Dear , > > > > > > This political Tippexing of health visitirng is being reflected here in > > Bath > > > with the HimP strategy and Childrens Strategy making no mention of HVs! > > Whe I > > > challenged this I was told that 'health visitors are in the primary health > > care > > > team and not part of public health stratagems'. We are def. between a > > rock and > > > a hard place now! > > > > > > It is my opinion that a new breed of public health nurse and community > > > childrens nurse is the new flavour of the times and health visitors (who > > for > > > the most part are politically aquiescent) are now seen as weighers and > > > measurers in the doctors surgery. Most of our skills have been hived off > > and > > > given to nursery teachers among many others. > > > > > > I would be interested in other people's views as I seem to be in a > > minority > > > here in Bath in thinking such thoughts. > > > > > > > > > Houston wrote: > > > > > > > This is my letter to the 'Health Visiting' stream on the UKCC site. > > > > > > > > I am very worried that the draft legislation for the new Council does > > not > > > > include health visiting. I have written to a number of people including > > my > > > > MP Nicolas Soames. He forwarded a reply to me from Lord Hunt that said I > > > > should be 'reassured that the omission of Health Visitor from the name > > of > > > > the new Council is no reflection of the importance we attach to the > > > > increasingly complex role of health visiting and its expansion into > > public > > > > health'. Very clearly this omission is a reflection of government > > disregard > > > > for health visiting and a failure to offer clear information to the > > public > > > > regarding the regulation of the profession.The mailing also included an > > > > information sheet from the government that said, 'The Government > > recognises > > > > the crucial role played by Health visitors in the delivery of health > > > > improvement'I am at a loss in dealing with such a contradictory position > > > > presented to me by government and in no way do I feel reassured by the > > > > current railroading of the profession in a direction that its' members > > do > > > > not support. > > > > The site is: > > > > http://www.ukcc.org.uk/cms/content/home/ > > > > for anyone else wishing to add their voice. > > > > > > > > Houston > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2001 Report Share Posted July 12, 2001 Dear Margaret, Good news from the S.W. HVs with the new Public Health Masters (2years off yet) are thought to have some creditability by the PH Dept. and hopefully they will be able to work with the rest of us even though our masters are not called specifically public health. Also - School nurses are high profile and much lauded in our area. They have been very hard working and innovative and it is good to see them held in esteem at all levels. However the extra numbers of SNs promised has been recinded and they are expected to achieve great things with a comparatively tiny staff. Not all bad news here. Wonderful clients and colleagues. Regards, Ruth Margaret Buttigieg wrote: > Ruth, > > Remember I worked at the South and West Region - it is not impression - it > was fact. Public health was about doctors and there was little or no > understanding of nursing let alone health visiting. > > Margaret > Re: NMC > > > > > > > Dear , > > > > > > > > This political Tippexing of health visitirng is being reflected here > in > > > Bath > > > > with the HimP strategy and Childrens Strategy making no mention of > HVs! > > > Whe I > > > > challenged this I was told that 'health visitors are in the primary > health > > > care > > > > team and not part of public health stratagems'. We are def. between a > > > rock and > > > > a hard place now! > > > > > > > > It is my opinion that a new breed of public health nurse and community > > > > childrens nurse is the new flavour of the times and health visitors > (who > > > for > > > > the most part are politically aquiescent) are now seen as weighers and > > > > measurers in the doctors surgery. Most of our skills have been hived > off > > > and > > > > given to nursery teachers among many others. > > > > > > > > I would be interested in other people's views as I seem to be in a > > > minority > > > > here in Bath in thinking such thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Houston wrote: > > > > > > > > > This is my letter to the 'Health Visiting' stream on the UKCC site. > > > > > > > > > > I am very worried that the draft legislation for the new Council > does > > > not > > > > > include health visiting. I have written to a number of people > including > > > my > > > > > MP Nicolas Soames. He forwarded a reply to me from Lord Hunt that > said I > > > > > should be 'reassured that the omission of Health Visitor from the > name > > > of > > > > > the new Council is no reflection of the importance we attach to the > > > > > increasingly complex role of health visiting and its expansion into > > > public > > > > > health'. Very clearly this omission is a reflection of government > > > disregard > > > > > for health visiting and a failure to offer clear information to the > > > public > > > > > regarding the regulation of the profession.The mailing also included > an > > > > > information sheet from the government that said, 'The Government > > > recognises > > > > > the crucial role played by Health visitors in the delivery of health > > > > > improvement'I am at a loss in dealing with such a contradictory > position > > > > > presented to me by government and in no way do I feel reassured by > the > > > > > current railroading of the profession in a direction that its' > members > > > do > > > > > not support. > > > > > The site is: > > > > > http://www.ukcc.org.uk/cms/content/home/ > > > > > for anyone else wishing to add their voice. > > > > > > > > > > Houston > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2001 Report Share Posted July 13, 2001 I agree with Margaret. Even though I haven't had a caseload whilst working in Bristol there has never been much support from AHA level for public health nursing or health visiting. It is rather contradistory now that UWE offer a Masters in Public Health. Toity On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:34:09 +0100 Margaret Buttigieg <margaret@...> wrote: > Ruth, > > Remember I worked at the South and West Region - it is not impression - it > was fact. Public health was about doctors and there was little or no > understanding of nursing let alone health visiting. > > Margaret > Re: NMC > > > > > > > Dear , > > > > > > > > This political Tippexing of health visitirng is being reflected here > in > > > Bath > > > > with the HimP strategy and Childrens Strategy making no mention of > HVs! > > > Whe I > > > > challenged this I was told that 'health visitors are in the primary > health > > > care > > > > team and not part of public health stratagems'. We are def. between a > > > rock and > > > > a hard place now! > > > > > > > > It is my opinion that a new breed of public health nurse and community > > > > childrens nurse is the new flavour of the times and health visitors > (who > > > for > > > > the most part are politically aquiescent) are now seen as weighers and > > > > measurers in the doctors surgery. Most of our skills have been hived > off > > > and > > > > given to nursery teachers among many others. > > > > > > > > I would be interested in other people's views as I seem to be in a > > > minority > > > > here in Bath in thinking such thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Houston wrote: > > > > > > > > > This is my letter to the 'Health Visiting' stream on the UKCC site. > > > > > > > > > > I am very worried that the draft legislation for the new Council > does > > > not > > > > > include health visiting. I have written to a number of people > including > > > my > > > > > MP Nicolas Soames. He forwarded a reply to me from Lord Hunt that > said I > > > > > should be 'reassured that the omission of Health Visitor from the > name > > > of > > > > > the new Council is no reflection of the importance we attach to the > > > > > increasingly complex role of health visiting and its expansion into > > > public > > > > > health'. Very clearly this omission is a reflection of government > > > disregard > > > > > for health visiting and a failure to offer clear information to the > > > public > > > > > regarding the regulation of the profession.The mailing also included > an > > > > > information sheet from the government that said, 'The Government > > > recognises > > > > > the crucial role played by Health visitors in the delivery of health > > > > > improvement'I am at a loss in dealing with such a contradictory > position > > > > > presented to me by government and in no way do I feel reassured by > the > > > > > current railroading of the profession in a direction that its' > members > > > do > > > > > not support. > > > > > The site is: > > > > > http://www.ukcc.org.uk/cms/content/home/ > > > > > for anyone else wishing to add their voice. > > > > > > > > > > Houston > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 Maybe that is one of our difficulties as Hv and also as SN - we do really good work on the ground and sometimes with education but the gap between that and the strategy and policy makers is often vast. Now we do have a government that sees HV and SN as important in policy terms and we need to capitalise on it even if the CPHVA does not thibk so. Margaret Re: NMC > > > > > > > > > Dear , > > > > > > > > > > This political Tippexing of health visitirng is being reflected here > > in > > > > Bath > > > > > with the HimP strategy and Childrens Strategy making no mention of > > HVs! > > > > Whe I > > > > > challenged this I was told that 'health visitors are in the primary > > health > > > > care > > > > > team and not part of public health stratagems'. We are def. between a > > > > rock and > > > > > a hard place now! > > > > > > > > > > It is my opinion that a new breed of public health nurse and community > > > > > childrens nurse is the new flavour of the times and health visitors > > (who > > > > for > > > > > the most part are politically aquiescent) are now seen as weighers and > > > > > measurers in the doctors surgery. Most of our skills have been hived > > off > > > > and > > > > > given to nursery teachers among many others. > > > > > > > > > > I would be interested in other people's views as I seem to be in a > > > > minority > > > > > here in Bath in thinking such thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Houston wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This is my letter to the 'Health Visiting' stream on the UKCC site. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very worried that the draft legislation for the new Council > > does > > > > not > > > > > > include health visiting. I have written to a number of people > > including > > > > my > > > > > > MP Nicolas Soames. He forwarded a reply to me from Lord Hunt that > > said I > > > > > > should be 'reassured that the omission of Health Visitor from the > > name > > > > of > > > > > > the new Council is no reflection of the importance we attach to the > > > > > > increasingly complex role of health visiting and its expansion into > > > > public > > > > > > health'. Very clearly this omission is a reflection of government > > > > disregard > > > > > > for health visiting and a failure to offer clear information to the > > > > public > > > > > > regarding the regulation of the profession.The mailing also included > > an > > > > > > information sheet from the government that said, 'The Government > > > > recognises > > > > > > the crucial role played by Health visitors in the delivery of health > > > > > > improvement'I am at a loss in dealing with such a contradictory > > position > > > > > > presented to me by government and in no way do I feel reassured by > > the > > > > > > current railroading of the profession in a direction that its' > > members > > > > do > > > > > > not support. > > > > > > The site is: > > > > > > http://www.ukcc.org.uk/cms/content/home/ > > > > > > for anyone else wishing to add their voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Houston > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 Well according to Sally Gooch in this week's Nursing Times, health visitors are just pen pushers, are a waste of money and carry out a role that is redundant! She does make some interesting points but the reason why SENATE was set up was to look at the policy practice gap. This can not be left to just an email group and it makes it even more essential that it stops blowing in the wind. The doctors have their Royal Colleges and whilst they may be somewhat difficult at times, at least they are setting and monitoring the theory and practice. The QAA will be setting standards for HV but how is that connecting with what is going on in practice? Where is the monitoring and evaluation of outcomes? In message <006a01c10d03$774d4460$8548893e@home>, Margaret Buttigieg <margaret@...> writes >Maybe that is one of our difficulties as Hv and also as SN - we do really >good work on the ground and sometimes with education but the gap between >that and the strategy and policy makers is often vast. > >Now we do have a government that sees HV and SN as important in policy terms >and we need to capitalise on it even if the CPHVA does not thibk so. > >Margaret > Re: NMC >> > > > >> > > > > Dear , >> > > > > >> > > > > This political Tippexing of health visitirng is being reflected >here >> > in >> > > > Bath >> > > > > with the HimP strategy and Childrens Strategy making no mention of >> > HVs! >> > > > Whe I >> > > > > challenged this I was told that 'health visitors are in the >primary >> > health >> > > > care >> > > > > team and not part of public health stratagems'. We are def. >between a >> > > > rock and >> > > > > a hard place now! >> > > > > >> > > > > It is my opinion that a new breed of public health nurse and >community >> > > > > childrens nurse is the new flavour of the times and health >visitors >> > (who >> > > > for >> > > > > the most part are politically aquiescent) are now seen as weighers >and >> > > > > measurers in the doctors surgery. Most of our skills have been >hived >> > off >> > > > and >> > > > > given to nursery teachers among many others. >> > > > > >> > > > > I would be interested in other people's views as I seem to be in a >> > > > minority >> > > > > here in Bath in thinking such thoughts. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Houston wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > This is my letter to the 'Health Visiting' stream on the UKCC >site. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I am very worried that the draft legislation for the new Council >> > does >> > > > not >> > > > > > include health visiting. I have written to a number of people >> > including >> > > > my >> > > > > > MP Nicolas Soames. He forwarded a reply to me from Lord Hunt >that >> > said I >> > > > > > should be 'reassured that the omission of Health Visitor from >the >> > name >> > > > of >> > > > > > the new Council is no reflection of the importance we attach to >the >> > > > > > increasingly complex role of health visiting and its expansion >into >> > > > public >> > > > > > health'. Very clearly this omission is a reflection of >government >> > > > disregard >> > > > > > for health visiting and a failure to offer clear information to >the >> > > > public >> > > > > > regarding the regulation of the profession.The mailing also >included >> > an >> > > > > > information sheet from the government that said, 'The Government >> > > > recognises >> > > > > > the crucial role played by Health visitors in the delivery of >health >> > > > > > improvement'I am at a loss in dealing with such a contradictory >> > position >> > > > > > presented to me by government and in no way do I feel reassured >by >> > the >> > > > > > current railroading of the profession in a direction that its' >> > members >> > > > do >> > > > > > not support. >> > > > > > The site is: >> > > > > > http://www.ukcc.org.uk/cms/content/home/ >> > > > > > for anyone else wishing to add their voice. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Houston >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >> > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >> > > > http://www.hotmail.com. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 I haven't seen this article (I did look at this weeks NT, but the article passed me by). A public health doctor asked me last year why nursing is so antagonistic towards health visiting, and after we had talked about it a bit, drew parallels between the medical fraternity making similarly spiteful comments about public health medicine: drains doctors and office workers etc. Perhaps Joan is right (back to her comments last weekend); internationally we have at least as much in common with our public health colleagues as with our general nursing colleagues. best wishes sarah Rowe wrote: > Well according to Sally Gooch in this week's Nursing Times, health > visitors are just pen pushers, are a waste of money and carry out a role > that is redundant! She does make some interesting points but the reason > why SENATE was set up was to look at the policy practice gap. This can > not be left to just an email group and it makes it even more essential > that it stops blowing in the wind. The doctors have their Royal Colleges > and whilst they may be somewhat difficult at times, at least they are > setting and monitoring the theory and practice. The QAA will be setting > standards for HV but how is that connecting with what is going on in > practice? Where is the monitoring and evaluation of outcomes? > > In message <006a01c10d03$774d4460$8548893e@home>, Margaret Buttigieg > <margaret@...> writes > >Maybe that is one of our difficulties as Hv and also as SN - we do really > >good work on the ground and sometimes with education but the gap between > >that and the strategy and policy makers is often vast. > > > >Now we do have a government that sees HV and SN as important in policy terms > >and we need to capitalise on it even if the CPHVA does not thibk so. > > > >Margaret > > Re: NMC > >> > > > > >> > > > > Dear , > >> > > > > > >> > > > > This political Tippexing of health visitirng is being reflected > >here > >> > in > >> > > > Bath > >> > > > > with the HimP strategy and Childrens Strategy making no mention of > >> > HVs! > >> > > > Whe I > >> > > > > challenged this I was told that 'health visitors are in the > >primary > >> > health > >> > > > care > >> > > > > team and not part of public health stratagems'. We are def. > >between a > >> > > > rock and > >> > > > > a hard place now! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > It is my opinion that a new breed of public health nurse and > >community > >> > > > > childrens nurse is the new flavour of the times and health > >visitors > >> > (who > >> > > > for > >> > > > > the most part are politically aquiescent) are now seen as weighers > >and > >> > > > > measurers in the doctors surgery. Most of our skills have been > >hived > >> > off > >> > > > and > >> > > > > given to nursery teachers among many others. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I would be interested in other people's views as I seem to be in a > >> > > > minority > >> > > > > here in Bath in thinking such thoughts. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Houston wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > This is my letter to the 'Health Visiting' stream on the UKCC > >site. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I am very worried that the draft legislation for the new Council > >> > does > >> > > > not > >> > > > > > include health visiting. I have written to a number of people > >> > including > >> > > > my > >> > > > > > MP Nicolas Soames. He forwarded a reply to me from Lord Hunt > >that > >> > said I > >> > > > > > should be 'reassured that the omission of Health Visitor from > >the > >> > name > >> > > > of > >> > > > > > the new Council is no reflection of the importance we attach to > >the > >> > > > > > increasingly complex role of health visiting and its expansion > >into > >> > > > public > >> > > > > > health'. Very clearly this omission is a reflection of > >government > >> > > > disregard > >> > > > > > for health visiting and a failure to offer clear information to > >the > >> > > > public > >> > > > > > regarding the regulation of the profession.The mailing also > >included > >> > an > >> > > > > > information sheet from the government that said, 'The Government > >> > > > recognises > >> > > > > > the crucial role played by Health visitors in the delivery of > >health > >> > > > > > improvement'I am at a loss in dealing with such a contradictory > >> > position > >> > > > > > presented to me by government and in no way do I feel reassured > >by > >> > the > >> > > > > > current railroading of the profession in a direction that its' > >> > members > >> > > > do > >> > > > > > not support. > >> > > > > > The site is: > >> > > > > > http://www.ukcc.org.uk/cms/content/home/ > >> > > > > > for anyone else wishing to add their voice. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Houston > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >> > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >> > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 , hope you also enlisted Muir Gray's support re the N & MC! He's been a very great supporter of HVs in the past. June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 I thought the NT article such a waste of space, an 'in my opinion' piece designed to be provocotive. Yesterday I was at the CPHVA conference 'The Information Revolution in Primary Care' and Dr Muir Gray, as Director of the National Electronic Library for Health, parralled a problem both public health doctors and health visitors share: how to demonstrate the depth of knowledge individuals hold, albeit in a generalist job. He suggested building specialist areas of information relevant to individual practice into the Electronic Library. His own expertise is in sceening. At the moment I am working on severe physical child abuse research (Shaken baby syndrome) so I could pull together any resources on the web, both for clinicians and the public, and submit them as an area of specialist knowledge. Don't know how this will work out and the NELH, I think, does not cover Wales, but its worth a try. Anyone else want to have a go? Or think up lists of areas where we hold in depth knowlegde as practitioners. Dr Muir Gray has a website: www.muirgray.org lisa From: Cowley <sarah@...> Date sent: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:36:04 +0100 Send reply to: Subject: Re: Re:HV future [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] I haven't seen this article (I did look at this weeks NT, but the article passed me by). A public health doctor asked me last year why nursing is so antagonistic towards health visiting, and after we had talked about it a bit, drew parallels between the medical fraternity making similarly spiteful comments about public health medicine: drains doctors and office workers etc. Perhaps Joan is right (back to her comments last weekend); internationally we have at least as much in common with our public health colleagues as with our general nursing colleagues. best wishes sarah Rowe wrote: > Well according to Sally Gooch in this week's Nursing Times, health > visitors are just pen pushers, are a waste of money and carry out a role > that is redundant! She does make some interesting points but the reason > why SENATE was set up was to look at the policy practice gap. This can > not be left to just an email group and it makes it even more essential > that it stops blowing in the wind. The doctors have their Royal Colleges > and whilst they may be somewhat difficult at times, at least they are > setting and monitoring the theory and practice. The QAA will be setting > standards for HV but how is that connecting with what is going on in > practice? Where is the monitoring and evaluation of outcomes? > > In message <006a01c10d03$774d4460$8548893e@home>, Margaret Buttigieg > <margaret@...> writes > >Maybe that is one of our difficulties as Hv and also as SN - we do really > >good work on the ground and sometimes with education but the gap between > >that and the strategy and policy makers is often vast. > > > >Now we do have a government that sees HV and SN as important in policy terms > >and we need to capitalise on it even if the CPHVA does not thibk so. > > > >Margaret > > Re: NMC > >> > > > > >> > > > > Dear , > >> > > > > > >> > > > > This political Tippexing of health visitirng is being reflected > >here > >> > in > >> > > > Bath > >> > > > > with the HimP strategy and Childrens Strategy making no mention of > >> > HVs! > >> > > > Whe I > >> > > > > challenged this I was told that 'health visitors are in the > >primary > >> > health > >> > > > care > >> > > > > team and not part of public health stratagems'. We are def. > >between a > >> > > > rock and > >> > > > > a hard place now! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > It is my opinion that a new breed of public health nurse and > >community > >> > > > > childrens nurse is the new flavour of the times and health > >visitors > >> > (who > >> > > > for > >> > > > > the most part are politically aquiescent) are now seen as weighers > >and > >> > > > > measurers in the doctors surgery. Most of our skills have been > >hived > >> > off > >> > > > and > >> > > > > given to nursery teachers among many others. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I would be interested in other people's views as I seem to be in a > >> > > > minority > >> > > > > here in Bath in thinking such thoughts. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Houston wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > This is my letter to the 'Health Visiting' stream on the UKCC > >site. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I am very worried that the draft legislation for the new Council > >> > does > >> > > > not > >> > > > > > include health visiting. I have written to a number of people > >> > including > >> > > > my > >> > > > > > MP Nicolas Soames. He forwarded a reply to me from Lord Hunt > >that > >> > said I > >> > > > > > should be 'reassured that the omission of Health Visitor from > >the > >> > name > >> > > > of > >> > > > > > the new Council is no reflection of the importance we attach to > >the > >> > > > > > increasingly complex role of health visiting and its expansion > >into > >> > > > public > >> > > > > > health'. Very clearly this omission is a reflection of > >government > >> > > > disregard > >> > > > > > for health visiting and a failure to offer clear information to > >the > >> > > > public > >> > > > > > regarding the regulation of the profession.The mailing also > >included > >> > an > >> > > > > > information sheet from the government that said, 'The Government > >> > > > recognises > >> > > > > > the crucial role played by Health visitors in the delivery of > >health > >> > > > > > improvement'I am at a loss in dealing with such a contradictory > >> > position > >> > > > > > presented to me by government and in no way do I feel reassured > >by > >> > the > >> > > > > > current railroading of the profession in a direction that its' > >> > members > >> > > > do > >> > > > > > not support. > >> > > > > > The site is: > >> > > > > > http://www.ukcc.org.uk/cms/content/home/ > >> > > > > > for anyone else wishing to add their voice. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Houston > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >> > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >> > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 But of course this instance isn't an example of nursing's antagonism to HV, since Sally G is an HV; a product of South Bank. Betty and Frances may or may not wish to comment! From: Cowley <sarah@...> Date sent: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:36:04 +0100 Send reply to: Subject: Re: Re:HV future [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] I haven't seen this article (I did look at this weeks NT, but the article passed me by). A public health doctor asked me last year why nursing is so antagonistic towards health visiting, and after we had talked about it a bit, drew parallels between the medical fraternity making similarly spiteful comments about public health medicine: drains doctors and office workers etc. Perhaps Joan is right (back to her comments last weekend); internationally we have at least as much in common with our public health colleagues as with our general nursing colleagues. best wishes sarah Rowe wrote: > Well according to Sally Gooch in this week's Nursing Times, health > visitors are just pen pushers, are a waste of money and carry out a role > that is redundant! She does make some interesting points but the reason > why SENATE was set up was to look at the policy practice gap. This can > not be left to just an email group and it makes it even more essential > that it stops blowing in the wind. The doctors have their Royal Colleges > and whilst they may be somewhat difficult at times, at least they are > setting and monitoring the theory and practice. The QAA will be setting > standards for HV but how is that connecting with what is going on in > practice? Where is the monitoring and evaluation of outcomes? > > In message <006a01c10d03$774d4460$8548893e@home>, Margaret Buttigieg > <margaret@...> writes > >Maybe that is one of our difficulties as Hv and also as SN - we do really > >good work on the ground and sometimes with education but the gap between > >that and the strategy and policy makers is often vast. > > > >Now we do have a government that sees HV and SN as important in policy terms > >and we need to capitalise on it even if the CPHVA does not thibk so. > > > >Margaret > > Re: NMC > >> > > > > >> > > > > Dear , > >> > > > > > >> > > > > This political Tippexing of health visitirng is being reflected > >here > >> > in > >> > > > Bath > >> > > > > with the HimP strategy and Childrens Strategy making no mention of > >> > HVs! > >> > > > Whe I > >> > > > > challenged this I was told that 'health visitors are in the > >primary > >> > health > >> > > > care > >> > > > > team and not part of public health stratagems'. We are def. > >between a > >> > > > rock and > >> > > > > a hard place now! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > It is my opinion that a new breed of public health nurse and > >community > >> > > > > childrens nurse is the new flavour of the times and health > >visitors > >> > (who > >> > > > for > >> > > > > the most part are politically aquiescent) are now seen as weighers > >and > >> > > > > measurers in the doctors surgery. Most of our skills have been > >hived > >> > off > >> > > > and > >> > > > > given to nursery teachers among many others. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I would be interested in other people's views as I seem to be in a > >> > > > minority > >> > > > > here in Bath in thinking such thoughts. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Houston wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > This is my letter to the 'Health Visiting' stream on the UKCC > >site. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I am very worried that the draft legislation for the new Council > >> > does > >> > > > not > >> > > > > > include health visiting. I have written to a number of people > >> > including > >> > > > my > >> > > > > > MP Nicolas Soames. He forwarded a reply to me from Lord Hunt > >that > >> > said I > >> > > > > > should be 'reassured that the omission of Health Visitor from > >the > >> > name > >> > > > of > >> > > > > > the new Council is no reflection of the importance we attach to > >the > >> > > > > > increasingly complex role of health visiting and its expansion > >into > >> > > > public > >> > > > > > health'. Very clearly this omission is a reflection of > >government > >> > > > disregard > >> > > > > > for health visiting and a failure to offer clear information to > >the > >> > > > public > >> > > > > > regarding the regulation of the profession.The mailing also > >included > >> > an > >> > > > > > information sheet from the government that said, 'The Government > >> > > > recognises > >> > > > > > the crucial role played by Health visitors in the delivery of > >health > >> > > > > > improvement'I am at a loss in dealing with such a contradictory > >> > position > >> > > > > > presented to me by government and in no way do I feel reassured > >by > >> > the > >> > > > > > current railroading of the profession in a direction that its' > >> > members > >> > > > do > >> > > > > > not support. > >> > > > > > The site is: > >> > > > > > http://www.ukcc.org.uk/cms/content/home/ > >> > > > > > for anyone else wishing to add their voice. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Houston > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >> > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >> > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2001 Report Share Posted July 21, 2001 Quoting Coles <colesew@...>: I would be really interested in this, but would have to be later this year, as I am 'writing up' at present. Could you let me have more details, perhaps I could do something for the Wales contingent. Best Wishes Joan. > > I thought the NT article such a waste of space, an 'in my > opinion' piece designed to be provocotive. > > Yesterday I was at the CPHVA conference 'The Information > Revolution in Primary Care' and Dr Muir Gray, as Director of > the National Electronic Library for Health, parralled a problem > both public health doctors and health visitors share: how to > demonstrate the depth of knowledge individuals hold, albeit in > a generalist job. He suggested building specialist areas of > information relevant to individual practice into the Electronic > Library. His own expertise is in sceening. At the moment I am > working on severe physical child abuse research (Shaken > baby syndrome) so I could pull together any resources on the > web, both for clinicians and the public, and submit them as an > area of specialist knowledge. Don't know how this will work > out and the NELH, I think, does not cover Wales, but its > worth a try. > Anyone else want to have a go? Or think up lists of areas > where we hold in depth knowlegde as practitioners. > Dr Muir Gray has a website: www.muirgray.org > lisa > > > From: Cowley <sarah@...> > Date sent: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:36:04 +0100 > Send reply to: > Subject: Re: Re:HV future > > [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] > > I haven't seen this article (I did look at this weeks NT, but the article > passed > me by). A public health doctor asked me last year why nursing is so > antagonistic towards health visiting, and after we had talked about it a > bit, > drew parallels between the medical fraternity making similarly spiteful > comments > about public health medicine: drains doctors and office workers etc. > > Perhaps Joan is right (back to her comments last weekend); internationally > we > have at least as much in common with our public health colleagues as with > our > general nursing colleagues. > > best wishes > > sarah > > > Rowe wrote: > > > Well according to Sally Gooch in this week's Nursing Times, health > > visitors are just pen pushers, are a waste of money and carry out a role > > that is redundant! She does make some interesting points but the reason > > why SENATE was set up was to look at the policy practice gap. This can > > not be left to just an email group and it makes it even more essential > > that it stops blowing in the wind. The doctors have their Royal Colleges > > and whilst they may be somewhat difficult at times, at least they are > > setting and monitoring the theory and practice. The QAA will be setting > > standards for HV but how is that connecting with what is going on in > > practice? Where is the monitoring and evaluation of outcomes? > > > > In message <006a01c10d03$774d4460$8548893e@home>, Margaret Buttigieg > > <margaret@...> writes > > >Maybe that is one of our difficulties as Hv and also as SN - we do > really > > >good work on the ground and sometimes with education but the gap between > > >that and the strategy and policy makers is often vast. > > > > > >Now we do have a government that sees HV and SN as important in policy > terms > > >and we need to capitalise on it even if the CPHVA does not thibk so. > > > > > >Margaret > > > Re: NMC > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Dear , > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > This political Tippexing of health visitirng is being > reflected > > >here > > >> > in > > >> > > > Bath > > >> > > > > with the HimP strategy and Childrens Strategy making no > mention of > > >> > HVs! > > >> > > > Whe I > > >> > > > > challenged this I was told that 'health visitors are in the > > >primary > > >> > health > > >> > > > care > > >> > > > > team and not part of public health stratagems'. We are def. > > >between a > > >> > > > rock and > > >> > > > > a hard place now! > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > It is my opinion that a new breed of public health nurse and > > >community > > >> > > > > childrens nurse is the new flavour of the times and health > > >visitors > > >> > (who > > >> > > > for > > >> > > > > the most part are politically aquiescent) are now seen as > weighers > > >and > > >> > > > > measurers in the doctors surgery. Most of our skills have > been > > >hived > > >> > off > > >> > > > and > > >> > > > > given to nursery teachers among many others. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > I would be interested in other people's views as I seem to be > in a > > >> > > > minority > > >> > > > > here in Bath in thinking such thoughts. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Houston wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > This is my letter to the 'Health Visiting' stream on the > UKCC > > >site. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > I am very worried that the draft legislation for the new > Council > > >> > does > > >> > > > not > > >> > > > > > include health visiting. I have written to a number of > people > > >> > including > > >> > > > my > > >> > > > > > MP Nicolas Soames. He forwarded a reply to me from Lord Hunt > > >that > > >> > said I > > >> > > > > > should be 'reassured that the omission of Health Visitor > from > > >the > > >> > name > > >> > > > of > > >> > > > > > the new Council is no reflection of the importance we attach > to > > >the > > >> > > > > > increasingly complex role of health visiting and its > expansion > > >into > > >> > > > public > > >> > > > > > health'. Very clearly this omission is a reflection of > > >government > > >> > > > disregard > > >> > > > > > for health visiting and a failure to offer clear information > to > > >the > > >> > > > public > > >> > > > > > regarding the regulation of the profession.The mailing also > > >included > > >> > an > > >> > > > > > information sheet from the government that said, 'The > Government > > >> > > > recognises > > >> > > > > > the crucial role played by Health visitors in the delivery > of > > >health > > >> > > > > > improvement'I am at a loss in dealing with such a > contradictory > > >> > position > > >> > > > > > presented to me by government and in no way do I feel > reassured > > >by > > >> > the > > >> > > > > > current railroading of the profession in a direction that > its' > > >> > members > > >> > > > do > > >> > > > > > not support. > > >> > > > > > The site is: > > >> > > > > > http://www.ukcc.org.uk/cms/content/home/ > > >> > > > > > for anyone else wishing to add their voice. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Houston > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >_______________________________________________________ __________________ > > >> > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > >> > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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