Re: Question: DO YOU MICROWAVE ANYTHING?

[Guest guest]

We still own a microwave but it is mainly a place to hold junk now. On rare

occasions, when I forget to take something out of the freezer I do thaw it for

one or two minutes but no longer than that. Most of the time I use hot water in

the sink to thaw though.

My hubby is not yet willing to go with out one but he rarely uses it either. I

think once it breaks down we will not replace it. Now how long it will take to

break down when it is rarely used..... We'll have to wait and see!

Personally, I sure would not mind having the extra counter space that the micro

is taking up!

Kimi

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know that your labor is not in vain in the Lord. 1 Corinthians 15:58/KJV

[Guest guest]

Will:

Okay, I'll bite on this one. When we moved into our house about five years

ago, they had recently redone the kitchen. They had put in a built in microwave

over the stove. It contains the exhaust fan and light as well.

We dabbled with organics/traditional foods, etc for many years, but made the

big switch about two years ago. We have talked about having the microwave

removed ever since. We would have thrown it out a long time ago had it not been

a built in. It is on my list for this summer, but it will require some work and

the install of a new fan, etc.

We rarely use it. We use it on water on occassion. We don't heat anything

that goes into our son's mouth in it, EVER!! We are proud to know that he has

never eaten any food from the microwave. If he stays with grandma for the day,

she knows that she is not allowed to heat his food in the microwave. Ditto for

his part-time daycare. In fact we control and prep all his food. If it needs

to be heated they are only allowed to use an oven.

There you have it, my confession for the day.

Dan

Will Winter <holistic@...> wrote:

I'm wondering if there is ANYONE here who still owns a microwave oven, and if

so, whether or

not you can justify using it under any circumstances, even for water? What

rationale do you

use? (this is AT HOME, not in a restaurant or on-the-road where cooks and

servers are

sneaky)

Also, since most of my chronic health problems came from the fact that MY

PARENTS DIDN'T

KNOW ANY BETTER to modulate what I ate, I'm wondering if anyone here is brave

enough to

admit they let their kids consume microwaved things? Again, if so, under what

rationale?

Would you give microwaved food or water to your guests?

Will, the devil's little advocate

[Guest guest]

My heating pad

[Guest guest]

No. What's more, I got Mark to stop cooking with microwaves, and now

we have one in the basement for guests who insist on nuking their food.

~Joe

[Guest guest]

We got rid of our microwave over 20 years ago. You can get convection ovens

about the same size as a microwave and it really doesn't take that much

longer.

Shari

Re: Question: DO YOU MICROWAVE ANYTHING?

> We still own a microwave but it is mainly a place to hold junk now. On

> rare occasions, when I forget to take something out of the freezer I do

> thaw it for one or two minutes but no longer than that. Most of the time I

> use hot water in the sink to thaw though.

>

> My hubby is not yet willing to go with out one but he rarely uses it

> either. I think once it breaks down we will not replace it. Now how long

> it will take to break down when it is rarely used..... We'll have to wait

> and see!

>

> Personally, I sure would not mind having the extra counter space that the

> micro is taking up!

>

> Kimi

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> www.Jremedies.com

>

> Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye steadfast,

> unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye

> know that your labor is not in vain in the Lord. 1 Corinthians 15:58/KJV

>

>

[Guest guest]

My wife and I haven't knowingly consumed microwaved

food in a year and a half (since we learned of the

dangers). Our apartment has a built in microwave-and I

have a feeling they would be pretty upset if we ripped

it out. We do not use it, allow others to use it, or

even store anything in it. (We do use the timer on it

though). I leave the kitchen at work whenever anyone

is using the microwave there.

our anti-microwave stance has puzzled many family

members, but we stand by our principles and refuse

food if we know it has been nuked.

Gabe

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Often to reheat things I will put them in my toaster oven on toast. It

takes just a few minutes and heats the food up enough.

AM

>

> So a question, if you have a portion of leftovers do

> you heat your oven to warm it up? Or do all of you

> have a small appliance for doing that? Would be hard

> for me to feel good about heating up the oven for

> every little thing. (I realize some food could be

> heated on the stove.)

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

We got rid of our microwave quite a while ago. I got a small convection oven

thinking that I'd need to use it all of the

time, but we rarely use it. I usually re-heat things on the stovetop. It was

amazing how quick we got used to not having

it. I really don't miss it. I thaw things out at room temp or in a sink of

hot water if in a rush.

Therese

[Guest guest]

Cast iron enameled ware heats fast and cleans up great and easy. Very

quick.

Re: Question: DO YOU MICROWAVE ANYTHING?

NO microwaved food for house guests unless they do it themselves. I do not

use ours and discourage anyone from doing so. My wife has the right to do as

she wants (she's usually short on time after work) for the food she eats.

Mine is reheated in our pizza oven, where I usually set the timer to reheat

leftovers- seven minutes of heating and another seven to absorb the heat in

the oven after shutoff. Works for plates as well as bowls. It might take

more energy than the nuke, but it leaves more energy in the food. Wasn't

hard for me to give up as I never did believe in radiated food. Alvin

P.S. Most of our meals are done in the big oven of slow cooker and we

always have leftovers for next day or two so I don't take time to cook.

Will Winter <holistic@...> wrote:

I'm wondering if there is ANYONE here who still owns a microwave oven, and

if so, whether or

not you can justify using it under any circumstances, even for water? What

rationale do you

use? (this is AT HOME, not in a restaurant or on-the-road where cooks and

servers are

sneaky)

Also, since most of my chronic health problems came from the fact that MY

PARENTS DIDN'T

KNOW ANY BETTER to modulate what I ate, I'm wondering if anyone here is

brave enough to

admit they let their kids consume microwaved things? Again, if so, under

what rationale?

Would you give microwaved food or water to your guests?

Will, the devil's little advocate

[Guest guest]

Hi Will,

We have a built-in GE Profile Convection / microwave oven. It has

three modes: microwave, combo, and convection. I use the convection

only mode quite often (NO microwaves), but NEVER the microwave or

combo modes. I also use the oven with door ajar as a perfect

" proofing " box for whole wheat sourdough.

Lynnette, in Rochester

[Guest guest]

If you want to keep them warm a slow crock pot may even do it. Just depends

on the pot and how warm you want them. Each pot varies with the

thermostat. Good luck. Much smaller to haul around and safer also.

Bruce wrote on Friday, April 14, 2006 11:17 PM

Re: Question: DO YOU MICROWAVE ANYTHING?

So you just drop it in a dry crock pot on high for a bit?? I teach a

childbirth class and would love to have a warm rice sock for labor

rehearsals...

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[Guest guest]

We steam all of our leftovers(never use the microwave).. with a pan

with holes in the bottom that fits in another pan - a standard

stainless steel pot. It is great because the food does not get

dried out. It works great for beef, veggies and noodles.

> I'm wondering if there is ANYONE here who still owns a microwave

oven, and if so, whether or

> not you can justify using it under any circumstances, even for

water? What rationale do you

> use? (this is AT HOME, not in a restaurant or on-the-road where

cooks and servers are

> sneaky)

>

> Also, since most of my chronic health problems came from the fact

that MY PARENTS DIDN'T

> KNOW ANY BETTER to modulate what I ate, I'm wondering if anyone

here is brave enough to

> admit they let their kids consume microwaved things? Again, if so,

under what rationale?

>

> Would you give microwaved food or water to your guests?

>

> Will, the devil's little advocate

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I love the alternative-to-microwave stories. My wife

and I bought a toaster oven at a garage sale and use

it everyday for reheating. some things dry out a

little, but I like the steaming idea. I will have to

get some good pots for that. I just threw away our

non-stick cookware a little while ago and found a set

of three cast iron pans at JCPenny for 11.99 last

weekend. i just feel better using them because I know

it is healthier. My eggs stick though, any

suggestions?

I would love to have a little pamphlet that outlines

the dangers of microwaving that I could give to family

and friends and co-workers that would allow them to

look up the truth themselves and point them in the

right direction. In conversations it is hard to

convince someone microwaving is bad, as it is

something so many of us grew up doing. But if they

were able to discover it for themselves (like I had

to) it would be much more persuasive. Nothing too

scientific. (anyone have the skills and knowledge to

put something like that together? does one already

exist?)

I read in a health newsletter somewhere of a student

who did a microwave experiment and gave two otherwise

identicle planted seeds either normal water or

microwaved water. the seed that received the normal

water grew as expected, the one that received the

microwaved water never grew.

My father microwaves his coffee multiple times a day.

We have had some conversations about it.

Gabe

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I would like this too. I have a book called " politically incorrect

nutrition " and there is a chapter on microwaves and I have to say it was the

poorest written chapter in the whole book. If I was basing my microwave use

on that chapter in that book I would not have been convinced it was bad.

The question my (biochemist) husband had after he read the chapter of that

book was: " if the molecular structure of water is changed after microwaving

it and its no longer H2O, then what is it? " The book did not answer that

question, but claimed the molecular structure was changed. If that is true

then he is right and it would no longer be H2O, so what is it?

The point of all that being... yes, a brief pamphlet that tells the dangers

of microwaves would be great.

Ann Marie

>

> I would love to have a little pamphlet that outlines

> the dangers of microwaving that I could give to family

> and friends and co-workers that would allow them to

> look up the truth themselves and point them in the

> right direction. In conversations it is hard to

> convince someone microwaving is bad, as it is

> something so many of us grew up doing. But if they

> were able to discover it for themselves (like I had

> to) it would be much more persuasive. Nothing too

> scientific. (anyone have the skills and knowledge to

> put something like that together? does one already

> exist?)

[Guest guest]

Often they want listen only after they have been cut, burned, and poisoned

to the point they can no longer be made well. My belief has always been to

take the safest, least expensive path first if there are no safety issues.

If that fails, you can always go the drastic route.

Therese Laurdan wrote: Saturday, April 15, 2006 12:11 PM

Re: Question: DO YOU MICROWAVE ANYTHING?

But I also have to admit that I think it's usually a better idea to tell

someone about it only IF they happen to ask why you don't use the microwave

or teflon, etc. People will listen (and really hear) the truth only when

they are truly

READY to hear it.

That's one of the reasons I am truly grateful to have the group!!!!!!!!!!!

Therese

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[Guest guest]

Scientific proof is an odd thing. Look how long it took to correlate disease

with cigarette

smoking! Over 50 years of studies (and most are STILL wrong!). It's virtually

impossible to

connect cause and effect even though EVERYBODY KNOWS it's true. I've got some

studies

regarding what may be the " real " reason smokers (and non-smokers) get lung

cancer and

it will rattle everything you've ever heard. More about that later.

I think I can answer Ann Marie's question about the molecular structure of WATER

and this

one is documented and cross-referenced to the moon. The H20 molecule looks like

a

basketball with ears, the oxygen has a molecular wt. of 16 and the hydrogens 1.

These

molecules stack up in various shapes and forms based upon what they have been

exposed

to. Ideally, the water that is the " wettest " the best, consists of long strands

of polymerized

(stacked) molecules of H20. Certain " WATER FORMS' create this, a waterfall is a

good

example. You can buy (or make) water forms to slick up your water for drinking,

plants,

farming, animals or whatever and it really makes a difference.

Almost all BIODYNAMIC farmers use waterforms because the core basis of BD is the

energetics of molecules, and all the soil additives are " potentized " in certain

homeopathic

ways. This wet water is just one of many examples. One can also buy additive

supplements

that create long water polymers. The most famous is WILLARD WATER.

The most graphic evidence lately of water structure is the photographic work of

Japan's DR

EMOTO. His photographs of ice crystals tell a story of what damage can be

wrought to the

water molecule. Crystals from damaged water look like garish beanbags and fresh

spring

water is a gorgeous and geometrically symmetrical starburst. Interestingly, even

words

spoken over water can affect the shapes in both positive and negative ways.

Back to MICROWAVING, all the biodynamic students, all the homeopaths, and all

the ice

crystal photographers can see the graphic evidence that the molecular jiggling

caused by

the radiation causes to the water.

As you may know, the microwave oven ONLY works on water molecules. If a

substance is

completely waterless, the oven will not heat it. The friction caused by the

agitation of the

molecules produces intense heat. That is the story in a nutshell. Do you want to

drink

agitated water or happy water?

Will

[Guest guest]

We haven't nuked anything for about a year now. We melt our butter in our pyrex

glassware right on the cooktop and use a toaster oven to reheat. It's been very

hard to make the switch not for convenience sake so much but more because we

bought one of those " Advantium " microwaves where you can nuke or bake in. It

was $800 + and now we NEVER use it! What a waste. I know the feeling about not

wanting to rip out the micro. over the cooktop because thats where ours is

locatec along with exhaust fan and all! We plan on trying to find a toaster

oven that is approx. the same size as the micro. and replacing it.

This really hits home when you waste such a big chunk of money on something that

destroys your family's food.

Tifanie

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Knowng WHY microwave ovens are bad, interested me as well. A Google

search resulted in the following sites; the information is somewhat

redundant, but after reading through them all, I found a baseline

understanding. Perhaps others will too...

http://www.relfe.com/microwave.html

http://www.unhinderedliving.com/microwave.html

http://www.cam.net.uk/home/aaa315/healing/microwaves.htm

and, more technical:

http://www.ghchealth.com/microwave-ovens-the-proven-dangers.html

Thanks Will, for the post re water. In What the Bleep Do We

Know, Dr. Masaru Emoto's display of various effects upon water was

awesome. If a priest's prayer can change it, just imagine what violet

microwaves can do! http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/

Lynnette, Rochester

At 06:34 PM 4/15/2006, you wrote:

>I would love to have something small and

>handy that can explain or at least refer them to a

>place where they can learn of the dangers in layman's

>terms (all I know to say is, " it's bad. " ).

[Guest guest]

I LOVE that movie! I get something different out of it every time I watch

it. I also saw Masaru Emoto speak here in the Twin Cities last spring at

the water conference and it was amazing! The makers of What the Bleep

apparently have a new one coming out soon too but I don't know anything

about it. Should be interesting!

Krista

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Thanks Will, for the post re water. In What the Bleep Do We

Know, Dr. Masaru Emoto's display of various effects upon water was

awesome. If a priest's prayer can change it, just imagine what violet

microwaves can do! http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/

[Guest guest]

Making the switch from microwaving is not so much about convenience

for me, but about finding workable solutions. My needs and cooking

practices are different from the person who suggested using a steamer

basket for reheating. Our foods are usually made with sauce or

gravy. I could put them in the oven to reheat which would work

fine. But my entire life, I've avoided using the oven in the summer

so the kitchen doesn't get so hot. And no one likes to heat up the

oven for one small dish. We do have a toaster oven which is great

for melting butter, softening cream cheese, etc, but it's not large

enough to reheat two people's food for a meal, which often consists

of three separate courses.

I've never used the microwave for thawing, so that's not an issue.

I do use it for making hot tea by the cup. If you're making a tea

that doesn't use milk, it's simple--just heat the water in the

teakettle. But dh has daily tea with milk. So after reading this

thread yesterday morning, I felt inspired to make it on the stovetop

(even knowing that it makes a very messy clean-up because the milk

sticks to the pan.) So as he entered the kitchen, I very happily

poured the tea into the cup and served it to him. He took one sip,

and promptly got up and walked to the microwave to heat it a little

more. <sigh> Ok, so next time, I'll make sure it's BOILING when I

pour it in the cup, and maybe preheat the cup with some hot water

also. Good grief, all for one cup of tea! Will the convection oven

be able to make me one cup of tea IN THE CUP?

This is a clip from someone on discussingnt that bought Mercola's

turbo oven: " The only disappointment I had was that it didn't

heat my mug of cocoa the way a microwave would. I guess I'll just

stick with putting the mug in a pan of boiling water as I have

been doing for awhile. "

Any other suggestions? I know this is a unique case, unless anyone

else makes chai with milk every single day, sometimes twice a day.

The person who bought Mercola's oven says she paid only $85 +

shipping, which is great, considering I am thinking I'll have to pay

several hundred dollars, as Tifanie did, to get something built-in to

replace our microwave/exhaust over the stove. I wonder if they even

make convection ovens with stovetop exhaust? I've never shopped for

them before.

The convection oven would most likely solve the problem of reheating

foods, *IF* it works the same as a regular oven without producing

enough heat to make the kitchen hot. (Maybe since it's faster?)

I've tried stovetop reheating, but now in our household of not using

non-stick pans, that is always a disaster! I use stainless steel and

Le Creuset, and neither will allow me to reheat a meal of, let's say,

Lamb Biryani or Chicken Vindaloo without major sticking and ruining

the integrity of the food.

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Dh is already highly

upset at the amount of money I've spent replacing non-stick cookware

and crockpot. He doesn't agree with my views on teflon, organics,

etc and it's hard for him to spend money to replace " perfectly good "

stuff. So if I buy something to replace the microwave, it darn well

better be a good replacement, IYKWIM.

~ Angie ~

>

> We haven't nuked anything for about a year now. We melt our butter

in our pyrex glassware right on the cooktop and use a toaster oven to

reheat. It's been very hard to make the switch not for convenience

sake so much but more because we bought one of those " Advantium "

microwaves where you can nuke or bake in. It was $800 + > Tifanie

>

[Guest guest]

Angie, Except for the SKEPTICAL (SUICIDAL?) SPOUSE, I've conquered almost every

issue

with cooking that you've mentioned.

1) CHAI TEA Make it by the potfull and refrigerate extra, use a pan to warm up

only what

you want for that moment. Do NOT add cream until it's in the cup. This way you

" pasteurize " the dairy less, plus you don't have to clean up messy pots. (I

haven't tried

the cup sitting in boiling water, but thanks for passing on that trick). Even if

I make a fresh

pot of chai, I never add the cream until it's in the cup (you woudn't put cream

in the

coffeepot).

2) Warming up SOUPS, SAUCES, GRAVY dishes; do it stovetop in a stainless pan,

and add a

few tablespoons of water to liquify things a bit more and keep the same

consistancy. It

only takes a few minutes and it's fantastic. Works for cooked vegetables, rice,

meat, and

most else. We warm up biscuits, cornbread and muffins in a covered iron

skillet.

3) TOASTER OVENS. We just replaced our old one yesterday with a new Cuisinart

Classic

from Kitchen Window. It's a beauty, plus no aluminum pans! Skip the convection

feature if

you can, it's just a fan anyway and the oven space is too tiny to matter. One

less thing to

break, plus they are more noise.

4) " MONEY " ISSUES- This is where you can work with a 100% CLEAN CONSCIENCE!

Think

of Jesus throwing the money-changers out of the temple! Do this love-work with

a fierce

demeanor knowing you are RIGHT and all the whiners and pea-brains can and will

stand

aside as you move with clear authority based on wisdom and common sense. Toss

that

damn microwave as far into the backyard as you can! When the whiner comes home,

cross

your arms across your chest, smile big, point at him and say " Shut up, Boy, I'm

COOKIN'

here! " .

New No-Stick pans........................................$500

New Toaster Oven.........................................$100

Toss microwave into backyard.......................$0

The joy of not getting chronic fatigue,

cancer, alzheimers, impotency..........................PRICELESS!

If anyone tries to make a " money issue " out of eating organic, getting safe

cookware or

just eating good food, they are not only crazy but dead wrong! Can you say

" penny wise

and pound foolish " ?

Will

[Guest guest]

My dad was a doctor, and when I was growing up, my mom never knew if

he'd be home for dinner or not, and often had to save dinner for him.

This was in the days before microwaves. She would take a metal pie tin

and dish up his servings of meat, potatoes, vegees..........just like

it was his plate. Then, when she knew he was coming home, she put

water in the bottom of a saucepan and brought it to a boil with the

pie pan set in the top (same idea as the steamer basket, but no

holes!!) The lid of the pan went on top of the pie pan. The steam

heated it gently, and by the time Dad got home, his dinner was re-warmed.

Judy

[Guest guest]

Love that, Judy!! I'll definitely give it a try, but in a glass pie

plate. I just noticed my metal pie pans are aluminum.... Thanks a

bunch!

~ Angie ~

>

> My dad was a doctor, and when I was growing up, my mom never knew if

> he'd be home for dinner or not, and often had to save dinner for him.

> This was in the days before microwaves. She would take a metal pie tin

> and dish up his servings of meat, potatoes, vegees..........just like

> it was his plate. Then, when she knew he was coming home, she put

> water in the bottom of a saucepan and brought it to a boil with the

> pie pan set in the top (same idea as the steamer basket, but no

> holes!!) The lid of the pan went on top of the pie pan. The steam

> heated it gently, and by the time Dad got home, his dinner was re-

warmed.

> Judy

>