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" ...The case of the Romanian girl strikes me as being more credible since

Sudafed is present in a lot of cold medications and, given her age, she

probably followed her doctor's advice in good faith. What on earth was he

thinking? "

***He was thinking that he was a medical doctor. (A delusion some Ph.D.

students I've met can suffer from). The Romanian gymnasts have returned

their gold medals in protest. What they should be doing is prescribing a

certain medication for the good doctor. The IOC has banned him for 4 years.

Upon his return to Romania he may find himself on vacation - a permanent

vacation. These female gymnasts can get pretty feisty.

Cheers,

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Mavromatis

Department of Economics

Monash University

AUSTRALIA

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" The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the

inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. "

Winston Churchill.

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  • 4 years later...

Ignoring for the moment the rest of the issues brought up in 's post...

>>the Olympic Committee has announced that after the

Sidney Olympics they plan to CRIMINALLY prosecute athletes who test

positive.<<

If this is true, how is the IOC going to go about " criminally prosecuting

athletes " who use legal substances in their home countries, or where statute

does not probihit use? The list of banned substances is long, and the evil

steroid is only one class of many used in competition and the preparation

for same. I suppose if the Bulgarian " B " weightlifting team (oops, I meant

to say the Qatari national team...)were caught using alcohol or some banned

substance while in Oz, or perhaps if the U.S. athletic team were caught

juiced to the gills and it could be proven somehow that they had possessed

or sold steroids something could POSSIBLY be done. More likely in the

Bulgarian (darn it, I meant to say Qatari again) case than the American,

but...

In my home state, The Revised Code of Washington refers to steroid use in

scholastic athletes (RCW 69.31.300) but only provides or the removal of a

positive-tested athlete from the scholastic program. Title 10 U.S.C is

bereft of any statute enabling prosecution of users as well. It seems to me

that if the IOC did indeed make such a statement (I'm not positing that they

did not, I've just not seen it), then it is more a case of chest-pounding

than anything else. Perhaps the nice folks abroad that bring us Sustanon

250, Primabolan Depot and the like should make a trip to Salt Lake City and

learn a little about " marketing. " Sorry - that was a wee bit ad hominem.

's other comments are disheartening, but not surprising. The Olympics

have become more a business than anything else. I miss the good old days of

the cold war Olympics. Things seemed a little bit clearer then - not that

they were. A while back I read a passingly decent book on the topic -

" Drugs, Sport and POlitics. The Inside Story About Drug use in Sports and

its Political Cover Up with a Prescription for Reform, " by Voy, M.D.

and Kirk D. Deter (Leisure Press, 1991). Aside from having a really really

long title (and caution flag phrases such as " Inside Story " in its title...)

and a few glaring misconceptions on the effects of steroids themselves, it

was an interesting book.

On a darker note, I read in the paper that Mrs. Samaranch passed away this

weekend. I am sorry for 's loss, which serves to remind us that

among all of our travails and little conflicts, the folks on the " other

side " are husbands, wives, mothers and fathers as well. We all laugh and

cry for pretty much the same reasons, and must share in the basic human

condition.

On a lighter note, I see that Halil Mutlu of the Turkish team made a world

record clean and jerk in the 56kg class. Naturally the only coverage I

could find on the telly was basketball and baseball. I guess I'll have to

wait for the tape to show up in the Ironmind catalog. Longer if I want to

see Romanian lifters......

Zillah, Washington

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Nandralone is Deca . . . the plea that some are making is that they were using

or else were exposed to Norandrostenedione-19 some of which is

metabolized into nandralone in the liver and hence the nandralone metabolites.

I suppose one could rationalize that because you didn't shoot up Deca that

you weren't using nandralone but the fact is that the supplement manufacturers

who have been marketing Nor-19 have been pitching its metabolic conversion

into nandralone as their selling point and even have called it " legal Deca " etc.

The case of the Romanian girl strikes me as being more credible since

Sudafed is present in a lot of cold medications and, given her age, she probably

followed her doctor's advice in good faith. What on earth was he thinking?

Best WIshes

Andy

Mavromatis wrote:

> In my last post I wrote -

>

> " *** CJ (Hunter) gave an emotional press conference today, he was flanked by

wife, n. (His mass was so great that several of the lighter bodyweight

> reporters began to orbit around him!). He denies having ever used drugs and

> as is invariably the case when a top athlete tests positive he will try to

> clear his name through the courts. "

>

> It has just been reported that CJ's nutritionist is claiming that because

> trace levels of nandralone were in his urine that his

> (non-performance-enhancing) supplements must have been contaminated. (Sounds

> familiar doesn't it. I wonder if CJ's nutritionist is subscribed to this

> NG). Given that he was 2000 times over the legal limit for nandralone (or is

> it its metabolites?), the contamination must have been pretty costly for the

> manufacturer! Perhaps the manufacturer was running a 'covert' marketing

> campaign.

>

> Perhaps he should sue the manufacturer in a couple years from now to make up

> for the indignity he has suffered (even if he is cleared in the usual

> farcical manner, some mud will stick) and for loss of earning capacity and

> sponsorship. I bet he wouldn't stand a chance. All is not lost, though. He

> could still run away and join the circus. Perhaps try his hand at the

> trapeze.

>

> P.S. Is nandralone itself a steroid or the result of some type of steroid? I

> was told it is not deca.

>

> Cheers,

>

>

> _______________________

>

> Mavromatis

> Department of Economics

> Monash University

> AUSTRALIA

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Not to mention that they (the manufacturerers) even cliam that it will cause a

positive test!

Nandralone is Deca . . . the plea that some are making is that they were using

or else were exposed to Norandrostenedione-19 some of which is

metabolized into nandralone in the liver and hence the nandralone metabolites.

I suppose one could rationalize that because you didn't shoot up Deca that

you weren't using nandralone but the fact is that the supplement manufacturers

who have been marketing Nor-19 have been pitching its metabolic conversion

into nandralone as their selling point and even have called it " legal Deca " etc.

The case of the Romanian girl strikes me as being more credible since

Sudafed is present in a lot of cold medications and, given her age, she probably

followed her doctor's advice in good faith. What on earth was he thinking?

Best WIshes

Andy

Mavromatis wrote:

> In my last post I wrote -

>

> " *** CJ (Hunter) gave an emotional press conference today, he was flanked by

wife, n. (His mass was so great that several of the lighter bodyweight

> reporters began to orbit around him!). He denies having ever used drugs and

> as is invariably the case when a top athlete tests positive he will try to

> clear his name through the courts. "

>

> It has just been reported that CJ's nutritionist is claiming that because

> trace levels of nandralone were in his urine that his

> (non-performance-enhancing) supplements must have been contaminated. (Sounds

> familiar doesn't it. I wonder if CJ's nutritionist is subscribed to this

> NG). Given that he was 2000 times over the legal limit for nandralone (or is

> it its metabolites?), the contamination must have been pretty costly for the

> manufacturer! Perhaps the manufacturer was running a 'covert' marketing

> campaign.

>

> Perhaps he should sue the manufacturer in a couple years from now to make up

> for the indignity he has suffered (even if he is cleared in the usual

> farcical manner, some mud will stick) and for loss of earning capacity and

> sponsorship. I bet he wouldn't stand a chance. All is not lost, though. He

> could still run away and join the circus. Perhaps try his hand at the

> trapeze.

>

> P.S. Is nandralone itself a steroid or the result of some type of steroid? I

> was told it is not deca.

>

> Cheers,

>

>

> _______________________

>

> Mavromatis

> Department of Economics

> Monash University

> AUSTRALIA

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