Guest guest Posted September 26, 1995 Report Share Posted September 26, 1995 " ...The case of the Romanian girl strikes me as being more credible since Sudafed is present in a lot of cold medications and, given her age, she probably followed her doctor's advice in good faith. What on earth was he thinking? " ***He was thinking that he was a medical doctor. (A delusion some Ph.D. students I've met can suffer from). The Romanian gymnasts have returned their gold medals in protest. What they should be doing is prescribing a certain medication for the good doctor. The IOC has banned him for 4 years. Upon his return to Romania he may find himself on vacation - a permanent vacation. These female gymnasts can get pretty feisty. Cheers, _______________________ Mavromatis Department of Economics Monash University AUSTRALIA _______________________ " The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. " Winston Churchill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 Ignoring for the moment the rest of the issues brought up in 's post... >>the Olympic Committee has announced that after the Sidney Olympics they plan to CRIMINALLY prosecute athletes who test positive.<< If this is true, how is the IOC going to go about " criminally prosecuting athletes " who use legal substances in their home countries, or where statute does not probihit use? The list of banned substances is long, and the evil steroid is only one class of many used in competition and the preparation for same. I suppose if the Bulgarian " B " weightlifting team (oops, I meant to say the Qatari national team...)were caught using alcohol or some banned substance while in Oz, or perhaps if the U.S. athletic team were caught juiced to the gills and it could be proven somehow that they had possessed or sold steroids something could POSSIBLY be done. More likely in the Bulgarian (darn it, I meant to say Qatari again) case than the American, but... In my home state, The Revised Code of Washington refers to steroid use in scholastic athletes (RCW 69.31.300) but only provides or the removal of a positive-tested athlete from the scholastic program. Title 10 U.S.C is bereft of any statute enabling prosecution of users as well. It seems to me that if the IOC did indeed make such a statement (I'm not positing that they did not, I've just not seen it), then it is more a case of chest-pounding than anything else. Perhaps the nice folks abroad that bring us Sustanon 250, Primabolan Depot and the like should make a trip to Salt Lake City and learn a little about " marketing. " Sorry - that was a wee bit ad hominem. 's other comments are disheartening, but not surprising. The Olympics have become more a business than anything else. I miss the good old days of the cold war Olympics. Things seemed a little bit clearer then - not that they were. A while back I read a passingly decent book on the topic - " Drugs, Sport and POlitics. The Inside Story About Drug use in Sports and its Political Cover Up with a Prescription for Reform, " by Voy, M.D. and Kirk D. Deter (Leisure Press, 1991). Aside from having a really really long title (and caution flag phrases such as " Inside Story " in its title...) and a few glaring misconceptions on the effects of steroids themselves, it was an interesting book. On a darker note, I read in the paper that Mrs. Samaranch passed away this weekend. I am sorry for 's loss, which serves to remind us that among all of our travails and little conflicts, the folks on the " other side " are husbands, wives, mothers and fathers as well. We all laugh and cry for pretty much the same reasons, and must share in the basic human condition. On a lighter note, I see that Halil Mutlu of the Turkish team made a world record clean and jerk in the 56kg class. Naturally the only coverage I could find on the telly was basketball and baseball. I guess I'll have to wait for the tape to show up in the Ironmind catalog. Longer if I want to see Romanian lifters...... Zillah, Washington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2000 Report Share Posted September 26, 2000 : Nandralone is Deca . . . the plea that some are making is that they were using or else were exposed to Norandrostenedione-19 some of which is metabolized into nandralone in the liver and hence the nandralone metabolites. I suppose one could rationalize that because you didn't shoot up Deca that you weren't using nandralone but the fact is that the supplement manufacturers who have been marketing Nor-19 have been pitching its metabolic conversion into nandralone as their selling point and even have called it " legal Deca " etc. The case of the Romanian girl strikes me as being more credible since Sudafed is present in a lot of cold medications and, given her age, she probably followed her doctor's advice in good faith. What on earth was he thinking? Best WIshes Andy Mavromatis wrote: > In my last post I wrote - > > " *** CJ (Hunter) gave an emotional press conference today, he was flanked by wife, n. (His mass was so great that several of the lighter bodyweight > reporters began to orbit around him!). He denies having ever used drugs and > as is invariably the case when a top athlete tests positive he will try to > clear his name through the courts. " > > It has just been reported that CJ's nutritionist is claiming that because > trace levels of nandralone were in his urine that his > (non-performance-enhancing) supplements must have been contaminated. (Sounds > familiar doesn't it. I wonder if CJ's nutritionist is subscribed to this > NG). Given that he was 2000 times over the legal limit for nandralone (or is > it its metabolites?), the contamination must have been pretty costly for the > manufacturer! Perhaps the manufacturer was running a 'covert' marketing > campaign. > > Perhaps he should sue the manufacturer in a couple years from now to make up > for the indignity he has suffered (even if he is cleared in the usual > farcical manner, some mud will stick) and for loss of earning capacity and > sponsorship. I bet he wouldn't stand a chance. All is not lost, though. He > could still run away and join the circus. Perhaps try his hand at the > trapeze. > > P.S. Is nandralone itself a steroid or the result of some type of steroid? I > was told it is not deca. > > Cheers, > > > _______________________ > > Mavromatis > Department of Economics > Monash University > AUSTRALIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 Not to mention that they (the manufacturerers) even cliam that it will cause a positive test! Nandralone is Deca . . . the plea that some are making is that they were using or else were exposed to Norandrostenedione-19 some of which is metabolized into nandralone in the liver and hence the nandralone metabolites. I suppose one could rationalize that because you didn't shoot up Deca that you weren't using nandralone but the fact is that the supplement manufacturers who have been marketing Nor-19 have been pitching its metabolic conversion into nandralone as their selling point and even have called it " legal Deca " etc. The case of the Romanian girl strikes me as being more credible since Sudafed is present in a lot of cold medications and, given her age, she probably followed her doctor's advice in good faith. What on earth was he thinking? Best WIshes Andy Mavromatis wrote: > In my last post I wrote - > > " *** CJ (Hunter) gave an emotional press conference today, he was flanked by wife, n. (His mass was so great that several of the lighter bodyweight > reporters began to orbit around him!). He denies having ever used drugs and > as is invariably the case when a top athlete tests positive he will try to > clear his name through the courts. " > > It has just been reported that CJ's nutritionist is claiming that because > trace levels of nandralone were in his urine that his > (non-performance-enhancing) supplements must have been contaminated. (Sounds > familiar doesn't it. I wonder if CJ's nutritionist is subscribed to this > NG). Given that he was 2000 times over the legal limit for nandralone (or is > it its metabolites?), the contamination must have been pretty costly for the > manufacturer! Perhaps the manufacturer was running a 'covert' marketing > campaign. > > Perhaps he should sue the manufacturer in a couple years from now to make up > for the indignity he has suffered (even if he is cleared in the usual > farcical manner, some mud will stick) and for loss of earning capacity and > sponsorship. I bet he wouldn't stand a chance. All is not lost, though. He > could still run away and join the circus. Perhaps try his hand at the > trapeze. > > P.S. Is nandralone itself a steroid or the result of some type of steroid? I > was told it is not deca. > > Cheers, > > > _______________________ > > Mavromatis > Department of Economics > Monash University > AUSTRALIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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