Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Funny, I have been selling Arginine & Orthinine as an HGH releaser for almost 6 years now as a cheap but effective alternative to all the commercial products. JoMar Labs GR Formula JoMar offers a night gowth hormone release formula with L-Arginine,L-Lysine, amd L-Ornithine, to be taken together with vitamin C ( 1-3 tsp of their Mega-C) and 50-150 mg vit B6....4 caps/night,@825 mg for $16.70. Do you think this would be effective and is a reasonable cost fo roughly a 45 day supply? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 How much of each protein? JoMar Labs GR Formula > JoMar offers a night gowth hormone release formula with L-Arginine,L-Lysine, amd L-Ornithine, to be taken together with vitamin C ( 1-3 tsp of their Mega-C) and 50-150 mg vit B6....4 caps/night,@825 mg for $16.70. Do you think this would be effective and is a reasonable cost fo roughly a 45 day supply? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 3 grams each of L-Arginine, L-Lysine, and L-Ornithine, with 1-3 tsp of their Mega C-5 ( " 5 " probably for 5000mg)Daily, with 50-150 mg B6....the B6 seems to be the only thing in the formula they don't sell...look on their website. www.JoMarlabs.com, I think....they also have GR#2 Day Formula....I didn't focus on the latter, because lack of deep sleep is my main concern. I'll be curious what you think. JoMar Labs GR Formula > JoMar offers a night gowth hormone release formula with L-Arginine,L-Lysine, amd L-Ornithine, to be taken together with vitamin C ( 1-3 tsp of their Mega-C) and 50-150 mg vit B6....4 caps/night,@825 mg for $16.70. Do you think this would be effective and is a reasonable cost fo roughly a 45 day supply? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 That should work very well. Even half that regimen should work. On a low calorie diet I would expect net weight loss by fat attrition to increase significantly over an equivalent diet without the supplement. JoMar Labs GR Formula > > > > JoMar offers a night gowth hormone release formula with > L-Arginine,L-Lysine, amd L-Ornithine, to be taken together with vitamin C > ( 1-3 tsp of their Mega-C) and 50-150 mg vit B6....4 caps/night,@825 mg > for $16.70. Do you think this would be effective and is a reasonable cost fo > roughly a 45 day supply? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 > JoMar offers a night gowth hormone release formula with > L-Arginine,L-Lysine, amd L-Ornithine, to be taken together with > vitamin C ( 1-3 tsp of their Mega-C) and 50-150 mg vit B6....4 > caps/night,@825 mg for $16.70. Do you think this would be effective > and is a reasonable cost fo roughly a 45 day supply? You get what you pay for. Earlier research established that even when pure free-form amino acids are used, the threshold for releasing GH is at least 2 grams, closer to 2.5 grams for many people. What you want is youthful peak release, so you'll be taking the 45 day supply in 15 days to achieve the minimum dose, and IF the amino acids are pure enough you should see a result in three to six months. That being said, when physicians tried mixing their own to duplicate the SomaLife mix they were unsuccessful in obtaining the benefit, probably due to the impurities of the amino acids, which would be largely undigested meat proteins. Very few amino acids are pure enough to not skew the experiment due to preferential absorption. To test for impurities in amino acids all you have to do is pour a glass of pure, preferably distilled water, and try to dissolve the 12 capsules of amino acids in it. Any turbidity or color change in the water is impurities; pure amino acids will float like styrofoam without dissolving at all or lending color to the water. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Hi: For me, any of the secretagogue formulas, especially the amino acid based ones as this is, create within a week or less an extreme nasal allergic reaction. My anti-aging physician suggested that it was the specific formula that did it - " ...there may be impurities. " I've totally ruled that out. I've tried at least 20-25 formulations of secretagogues and all give me that reaction. I become so completely stuffed up with uncontrollable sneezing that I have to stop taking any of them. It takes a few days for the symptoms to subside. I now use injectable from rHgh from China at less than $3 per IU including shipping. So, that costs me approximately $4.50 per day or approximately $135 per month. I have no allergic reactions that I can notice to rHgh. A few " warts " started growing fast and I had them frozen off. Other than that, I feel a lot better from it. I am also not a person who has many allergic reactions to food. I very rarely get any noticeable allergies. Nasal allergies sometimes do however, come from a few days of large, super high protein meals. I ate large meals of sushi for a solid week once every day (when in Japan) and after a week of that I got what seemed to be the same reaction. Any suggestions? At 03:45 PM 9/26/2005, you wrote: >That should work very well. Even half that regimen should work. On a low >calorie diet I would expect net weight loss by fat attrition to increase >significantly over an equivalent diet without the supplement. > > JoMar Labs GR Formula > > > > > > > JoMar offers a night gowth hormone release formula with > > L-Arginine,L-Lysine, amd L-Ornithine, to be taken together with vitamin >C > > ( 1-3 tsp of their Mega-C) and 50-150 mg vit B6....4 caps/night,@825 >mg > > for $16.70. Do you think this would be effective and is a reasonable >cost fo > > roughly a 45 day supply? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Duncan, you seem to be very knowlegeable regarding hgh precursers. I waas just about to send for some arginine and ornithine powder from the Life Extension Foundation in Hollywood Florida. Are you implying that even very advanced scientific groups like that may have impure products? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 LEF is a public thorn in the side of FDA, whom LEF has sued and WON. If LEF were to sell substandard products the FDA would be destroy them in a minute. So LEF must be the best in the business, they have the most to loose. Re: Re: JoMar Labs GR Formula > Duncan, you seem to be very knowlegeable regarding hgh precursers. I waas just about to send for some arginine and ornithine powder from the Life Extension Foundation in Hollywood Florida. Are you implying that even very advanced scientific groups like that may have impure products? > Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Thank you for your input Mr, McCourt. dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 How much rHgH do you take? Every day? My first thought about your reaction to sushi is iodine sensitivity... JoMar Labs GR Formula > > > > > > > JoMar offers a night gowth hormone release formula with > > L-Arginine,L-Lysine, amd L-Ornithine, to be taken together with vitamin >C > > ( 1-3 tsp of their Mega-C) and 50-150 mg vit B6....4 caps/night,@825 >mg > > for $16.70. Do you think this would be effective and is a reasonable >cost fo > > roughly a 45 day supply? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 I wasn't clear....it's 4x825 mg in 4 caps...so, a 45 day supply.. I have a compounded mix amino acid mix from JoMar...I'll try the turbidity test...they also offer a branched chain amino acid mix....I'll let you know if my mix stays clear in water....thanks. Re: JoMar Labs GR Formula > JoMar offers a night gowth hormone release formula with > L-Arginine,L-Lysine, amd L-Ornithine, to be taken together with > vitamin C ( 1-3 tsp of their Mega-C) and 50-150 mg vit B6....4 > caps/night,@825 mg for $16.70. Do you think this would be effective > and is a reasonable cost fo roughly a 45 day supply? You get what you pay for. Earlier research established that even when pure free-form amino acids are used, the threshold for releasing GH is at least 2 grams, closer to 2.5 grams for many people. What you want is youthful peak release, so you'll be taking the 45 day supply in 15 days to achieve the minimum dose, and IF the amino acids are pure enough you should see a result in three to six months. That being said, when physicians tried mixing their own to duplicate the SomaLife mix they were unsuccessful in obtaining the benefit, probably due to the impurities of the amino acids, which would be largely undigested meat proteins. Very few amino acids are pure enough to not skew the experiment due to preferential absorption. To test for impurities in amino acids all you have to do is pour a glass of pure, preferably distilled water, and try to dissolve the 12 capsules of amino acids in it. Any turbidity or color change in the water is impurities; pure amino acids will float like styrofoam without dissolving at all or lending color to the water. Duncan Crow Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Maybe it can counteract my male level testosterone...and probably high cortisol....maybe both fluctuating...I just noticed that in addition to the spare tire I now have the male " pot " ....I carry my weight in front too so that I can see it....(feeble joke) JoMar Labs GR Formula > > > > JoMar offers a night gowth hormone release formula with > L-Arginine,L-Lysine, amd L-Ornithine, to be taken together with vitamin C > ( 1-3 tsp of their Mega-C) and 50-150 mg vit B6....4 caps/night,@825 mg > for $16.70. Do you think this would be effective and is a reasonable cost fo > roughly a 45 day supply? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 > Hi: > > For me, any of the secretagogue formulas, especially the amino acid based > ones as this is, create within a week or less an extreme nasal allergic > reaction. My anti-aging physician suggested that it was the specific > formula that did it - " ...there may be impurities. " I've totally ruled > that out. I've tried at least 20-25 formulations of secretagogues and all > give me that reaction. I become so completely stuffed up with > uncontrollable sneezing that I have to stop taking any of them. It takes a > few days for the symptoms to subside. > > I now use injectable from rHgh from China at less than $3 per IU including > shipping. So, that costs me approximately $4.50 per day or approximately > $135 per month. I have no allergic reactions that I can notice to rHgh. A > few " warts " started growing fast and I had them frozen off. Other than > that, I feel a lot better from it. > > I am also not a person who has many allergic reactions to food. I very > rarely get any noticeable allergies. Nasal allergies sometimes do however, > come from a few days of large, super high protein meals. I ate large meals > of sushi for a solid week once every day (when in Japan) and after a week > of that I got what seemed to be the same reaction. > > Any suggestions? > > Make a list of the aminos in question. Muscle test each amino individually. Document results as you go. Let us know what you find out? Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 > Maybe it can counteract my male level testosterone...and probably high cortisol....maybe both fluctuating... Might check progesterone also, as low progesterone can cause a lot of other effects directly or indirectly, including high T levels, as in PCOS. One problem with P testing is I understand P can be a moving target, and I'm not sure what the best test would actually be for it, or whether to do a trial or oral micronized progesterone (Prometrium available by rx) at bedtime and just see how it goes for a couple mo. Various forms or delivery methods of P can act quite differently in the body, some with a lot of side effects but seem to be somewhat individual. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 > For me, any of the secretagogue formulas, especially the amino acid > based ones as this is, create within a week or less an extreme nasal > allergic reaction. My anti-aging physician suggested that it was the > specific formula that did it - " ...there may be impurities. " I've > totally ruled that out. I've tried at least 20-25 formulations of > secretagogues and all give me that reaction. , only a couple of factories world wide can derive amino acids of pharmaceutical purity. Your doctor is most likely correct. Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Well, I put some of the powdered amino mix from JoMar (custom compound, not their GR formaula) into water and it all just dissolved....so? Re: JoMar Labs GR Formula > JoMar offers a night gowth hormone release formula with > L-Arginine,L-Lysine, amd L-Ornithine, to be taken together with > vitamin C ( 1-3 tsp of their Mega-C) and 50-150 mg vit B6....4 > caps/night,@825 mg for $16.70. Do you think this would be effective > and is a reasonable cost fo roughly a 45 day supply? You get what you pay for. Earlier research established that even when pure free-form amino acids are used, the threshold for releasing GH is at least 2 grams, closer to 2.5 grams for many people. What you want is youthful peak release, so you'll be taking the 45 day supply in 15 days to achieve the minimum dose, and IF the amino acids are pure enough you should see a result in three to six months. That being said, when physicians tried mixing their own to duplicate the SomaLife mix they were unsuccessful in obtaining the benefit, probably due to the impurities of the amino acids, which would be largely undigested meat proteins. Very few amino acids are pure enough to not skew the experiment due to preferential absorption. To test for impurities in amino acids all you have to do is pour a glass of pure, preferably distilled water, and try to dissolve the 12 capsules of amino acids in it. Any turbidity or color change in the water is impurities; pure amino acids will float like styrofoam without dissolving at all or lending color to the water. Duncan Crow Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 > Duncan, you seem to be very knowlegeable regarding hgh precursers. I > waas just about to send for some arginine and ornithine powder from > the Life Extension Foundation in Hollywood Florida. Are you implying > that even very advanced scientific groups like that may have impure > products? Dave Dave, Even advanced scientific groups buy their products from somewhere. It's industry knowledge that only two or perhaps three labs world wide have the ability to derive pharmaceutically pure amino acids; One is Sino Chemicals in Japan, which makes SomaLife's amino acids from non-GMO soy. Why don't you ask LEF what company makes their amino acids? Life Extension Foundation founders Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw had a formula, Power Maker II, that used 18 grams of arginine per day. Using impure amino acids gives inconsistent results and much higher doses are required. You can do a visual check for purity using a glass of water. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 > LEF is a public thorn in the side of FDA, whom LEF has sued and WON. > If LEF were to sell substandard products the FDA would be destroy them > in a minute. So LEF must be the best in the business, they have the > most to loose. Whether LEF is a thorn in the side of the FDA is irrelevant with regard to to the purity of the amino acids they buy. A tainted product the FDA would indeed be interested in knowing about is not the same as a product that contains a percentage of natural impurities due to the manufacturing method; naturally impure products are allowed provided the impurities are innocuous. What it might mean though is if LEF claims their amino acids are " pharmaceutically pure " , maybe they are. See if they say 99.3% pure or some such. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Hi: I take 1.5 iu per day, hence $4.50 per day at $3.00 per iu, as stated below. My reaction to sushi is not iodine. It is protein related. I sometimes take Atomidine (Edgar Cayce remedy) - a very high source of iodine - with no allergic reaction. True allergic reactions are really always to protein or protein components like amino acids, anyway. Plus, any sustained very high density protein intake can create a similar allergic reaction with me, not just raw fish. PS, for more info on Atomidine see: http://www.caycecures.com/Holiday/catalog/atomidine.htm At 08:42 PM 9/26/2005, you wrote: >How much rHgH do you take? Every day? > >My first thought about your reaction to sushi is iodine sensitivity... > JoMar Labs GR Formula > > > > > > > > > > JoMar offers a night gowth hormone release formula with > > > L-Arginine,L-Lysine, amd L-Ornithine, to be taken together with > vitamin > >C > > > ( 1-3 tsp of their Mega-C) and 50-150 mg vit B6....4 > caps/night,@825 > >mg > > > for $16.70. Do you think this would be effective and is a reasonable > >cost fo > > > roughly a 45 day supply? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 How did you decide on 1.5 iu/day.....and how did you find your source of rHgH? Have you ever asked an allergist about your reaction to sushi? JoMar Labs GR Formula > > > > > > > > > > JoMar offers a night gowth hormone release formula with > > > L-Arginine,L-Lysine, amd L-Ornithine, to be taken together with > vitamin > >C > > > ( 1-3 tsp of their Mega-C) and 50-150 mg vit B6....4 > caps/night,@825 > >mg > > > for $16.70. Do you think this would be effective and is a reasonable > >cost fo > > > roughly a 45 day supply? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Hi: 1. I haven't visited an allergist, but that is something to think about. It will most likely be to certain protein components - long chains or amino acids and since free form amino acids - all separate and pharmaceutical grade also cause this allergic reaction with me - it is likely fundamentally to be some amino acid reaction. After speaking with a doctor, I decided that it would be expensive to run through the diagnostics, with no guarantee and little hope of any real remedy and possibly no real diagnosis. Since it is easy to avoid, it doesn't seem worth it at this time. 2. I arrived at the dosage by carefully reading the literature. The original study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, used only 1 IU per day. Many proponents argue for higher doses than that. From reading many accounts and tests of physicians who have reported their findings and individuals from various publications and Internet groups and particularly the group Rejuvenation, plus Ellis Toussier's website and his extensive experience as moderator of that group. Ellis recommends 1.5 to 2 IU's and personally takes 2. Above 2, I get some side effects (hand joint swelling), unlike other people and therefore I decided to be cautious and take the lower dose of his recommendation. His website is: http://www.rajeun.net/rejuvenation.html and http://www.rajeun.net/essential.html 3. I am currently using Jintropin by Gen Sci http://www.jintropin-gensci.com/ I don't purchase it directly and pay a little less than stated on this web site (1487 vs 1650 for 500iu). Write me separately off the group for further info about that. If you buy it from another source, be certain to check the label for validity on the site. Mine have all verified. In addition to unique numerical codes, they embed fibers in specific areas of the label. These fibers can be removed with a sharp object like a pin. At 06:42 AM 9/29/2005, you wrote: >How did you decide on 1.5 iu/day.....and how did you find your source of rHgH? > >Have you ever asked an allergist about your reaction to sushi? > JoMar Labs GR Formula > > > > > > > > > > > > > JoMar offers a night gowth hormone release formula with > > > > L-Arginine,L-Lysine, amd L-Ornithine, to be taken together with > > vitamin > > >C > > > > ( 1-3 tsp of their Mega-C) and 50-150 mg vit B6....4 > > caps/night,@825 > > >mg > > > > for $16.70. Do you think this would be effective and is a > reasonable > > >cost fo > > > > roughly a 45 day supply? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 What's your " mix " ? JoMar Labs GR Formula JoMar offers a night gowth hormone release formula with L-Arginine,L-Lysine, amd L-Ornithine, to be taken together with vitamin C ( 1-3 tsp of their Mega-C) and 50-150 mg vit B6....4 caps/night,@825 mg for $16.70. Do you think this would be effective and is a reasonable cost fo roughly a 45 day supply? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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