Re: Re: menopause and natural hormone replacement

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Idelle Port wrote:

> In a way, menopause is odd....other primates don't have it, as far as I know.

Sure they do - they just don't make a huge fuss about is as most women

make the mistake of doing!@!!

A normal menopause in humans is as uneventful as it is in animals. We

get all bent out of shape because we EXPECT a problem - thanks to

inherited old wives tales and/or poor health. By " inherited " I mean that

our mothers put ideas in our heads about both PMS and menopause that

don't belong there but which affect us badly enough to *create* symptoms.

To get that straightened out - just read Dr Christiane Northrup' books

(or attend her lectures or watch her shows on PBS) for example the book

called " The Wisdom of Menopause " .

There are many women like myself who don't know what the fuss is about

or didn't till reading that book or attending the lectures. (This is

despite coming from a long line of fearful suffering women in this regard.)

Menstruation and menopause are merely the start and end of the

reproductive cycle, and are tied in to our essential purpose in life.

You'll find that you knew at age 11 what your purpose in life was, but

it was interrupted during reproductive years - and if you are wise

you'll go back to it after that - which is what your body is trying to

do if you'd just quit fighting it.

Whether you get symptoms or not is almost entirely due to your *beliefs*

about the process, and if you change those, the symptoms also change. So

be wise as Dr N says (read the book - I can't explain it as she can) -

and see/believe what's right for your life purpose instead of the fear

and old wives tales. It's all very scientific if you look into it. Honor

your body instead of fighting it!

Women in tribal cultures make no fuss and have nothing to fuss about -

nor do we need to fuss. Nor do animals fuss. Not about PMS, not about

menopause. We *believe* we need to fuss and fear - and that gives us

something to fuss about! If you call something " the Curse " you expect it

to feel like one and of course then it does!

We can change that:-)

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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If menopause means " no longer able to bear chidren " , then other primates do NOT

have menopause. As for menopausal symptoms all being " in the head " , tell that to

someone who at 70 years old is still having multiple hot flashes daily.

Re: Re: menopause and natural hormone replacement

Idelle Port wrote:

> In a way, menopause is odd....other primates don't have it, as far as I

know.

Sure they do - they just don't make a huge fuss about is as most women

make the mistake of doing!@!!

A normal menopause in humans is as uneventful as it is in animals. We

get all bent out of shape because we EXPECT a problem - thanks to

inherited old wives tales and/or poor health. By " inherited " I mean that

our mothers put ideas in our heads about both PMS and menopause that

don't belong there but which affect us badly enough to *create* symptoms.

To get that straightened out - just read Dr Christiane Northrup' books

(or attend her lectures or watch her shows on PBS) for example the book

called " The Wisdom of Menopause " .

There are many women like myself who don't know what the fuss is about

or didn't till reading that book or attending the lectures. (This is

despite coming from a long line of fearful suffering women in this regard.)

Menstruation and menopause are merely the start and end of the

reproductive cycle, and are tied in to our essential purpose in life.

You'll find that you knew at age 11 what your purpose in life was, but

it was interrupted during reproductive years - and if you are wise

you'll go back to it after that - which is what your body is trying to

do if you'd just quit fighting it.

Whether you get symptoms or not is almost entirely due to your *beliefs*

about the process, and if you change those, the symptoms also change. So

be wise as Dr N says (read the book - I can't explain it as she can) -

and see/believe what's right for your life purpose instead of the fear

and old wives tales. It's all very scientific if you look into it. Honor

your body instead of fighting it!

Women in tribal cultures make no fuss and have nothing to fuss about -

nor do we need to fuss. Nor do animals fuss. Not about PMS, not about

menopause. We *believe* we need to fuss and fear - and that gives us

something to fuss about! If you call something " the Curse " you expect it

to feel like one and of course then it does!

We can change that:-)

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no

circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute

for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner

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BTW, are you yourself postmenopausal?

Re: Re: menopause and natural hormone replacement

Idelle Port wrote:

> In a way, menopause is odd....other primates don't have it, as far as I

know.

Sure they do - they just don't make a huge fuss about is as most women

make the mistake of doing!@!!

A normal menopause in humans is as uneventful as it is in animals. We

get all bent out of shape because we EXPECT a problem - thanks to

inherited old wives tales and/or poor health. By " inherited " I mean that

our mothers put ideas in our heads about both PMS and menopause that

don't belong there but which affect us badly enough to *create* symptoms.

To get that straightened out - just read Dr Christiane Northrup' books

(or attend her lectures or watch her shows on PBS) for example the book

called " The Wisdom of Menopause " .

There are many women like myself who don't know what the fuss is about

or didn't till reading that book or attending the lectures. (This is

despite coming from a long line of fearful suffering women in this regard.)

Menstruation and menopause are merely the start and end of the

reproductive cycle, and are tied in to our essential purpose in life.

You'll find that you knew at age 11 what your purpose in life was, but

it was interrupted during reproductive years - and if you are wise

you'll go back to it after that - which is what your body is trying to

do if you'd just quit fighting it.

Whether you get symptoms or not is almost entirely due to your *beliefs*

about the process, and if you change those, the symptoms also change. So

be wise as Dr N says (read the book - I can't explain it as she can) -

and see/believe what's right for your life purpose instead of the fear

and old wives tales. It's all very scientific if you look into it. Honor

your body instead of fighting it!

Women in tribal cultures make no fuss and have nothing to fuss about -

nor do we need to fuss. Nor do animals fuss. Not about PMS, not about

menopause. We *believe* we need to fuss and fear - and that gives us

something to fuss about! If you call something " the Curse " you expect it

to feel like one and of course then it does!

We can change that:-)

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no

circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute

for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner

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excellent progressive position

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Idelle Port wrote:

> If menopause means " no longer able to bear chidren " , then other

> primates do NOT have menopause.

I see you changed " animals " to " primates " .

I don't work with primates so I do not have first hand knowledge but it

stands to reason that if lower animals like cats have menopause - and

they do - and humans have menopause - then primates will also.

Are you suggesting that ancient primates still have babies?

I doubt it!

> As for menopausal symptoms all being " in the head " , tell that to

> someone who at 70 years old is still having multiple hot flashes

> daily.

I did not say the symptoms were all in the head, you did:-)

What I said is that we bring them on by our beliefs - which is not the

same thing at all. The symptoms are real. The CAUSE is in the head.

Read Dr Northrup's book - it explains well.

What we believe affects us in every physical way possible. Ask any

hypnotist. Many diseases we get are due to stress - and that also is a

physical reaction to emotional issues. It does not make the symptoms

invalid - the symptoms are as real as their cause.

Real stress causes real disease - and any menopause " symptoms " are

illness. Normal menopause is no big deal.

But if you *believe* it is a big deal, it will be a genuine big deal

:-)) We carry these beliefs from childhood - mostly put there by our

mothers who have a lot more powerful influence on us than you might

realize. But again - read Northrup, she has the solid research, I only

attended her lectures and realized how much sense it all makes.

NAmaste,

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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Idelle Port wrote:

> BTW, are you yourself postmenopausal?

I'm almost 57, and menmopause was uneventful in my earlier 50s.

....Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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a1thighmaster wrote:

> I very much disagree. My mother never told me anything about PMS nor

> about menopause.

And yet if you'd been told some positive things as in Dr Northrup's

book, it would have helped :-) Saying nothing is also " telling you

something " . Your beliefs are still moulded from that " hide the facts "

approach.

Since the body does major changes it's hardly a say-nothing subject.

Sounds like you got sensible about it though. The point Dr Northrup

makes is that beliefs can be changed - true genetic inheritance can not

be changed - and she wishes to point out that the matter is in our own

hands, we are not doomed to the negative beliefs we are predisposed to

have through what out mothers tell or do not tell us.

> I had no idea what to expect because women just

> didn't talk about it. When I started having symptoms I had no clue

> what was going on.

Exactly. How much better if you had known in advance, what to expect and

how to honor the change instead of either fighting it or wondering what

was going on.

> Fortunately, though, it was easy to find

> information on the web so that I could identify what was going on and

> deal with it in a positive manner.

Good for you. And I am always in awe of what one can do on the web these

days.

I think Dr Northrup is correct that the attitude of modern society is

all wrong. There's no need for discomfort - it's not normal to have any

- and there's a need for a positive attitude as you developed.

Namaste,

IRene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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Irene, are you postmenopausal yourself? If so, do you use any HRT or supplements

specifically to deal with menopause, the pause that doesn't necessarily

refresh....?

Re: Re: menopause and natural hormone replacement

a1thighmaster wrote:

> I very much disagree. My mother never told me anything about PMS nor

> about menopause.

And yet if you'd been told some positive things as in Dr Northrup's

book, it would have helped :-) Saying nothing is also " telling you

something " . Your beliefs are still moulded from that " hide the facts "

approach.

Since the body does major changes it's hardly a say-nothing subject.

Sounds like you got sensible about it though. The point Dr Northrup

makes is that beliefs can be changed - true genetic inheritance can not

be changed - and she wishes to point out that the matter is in our own

hands, we are not doomed to the negative beliefs we are predisposed to

have through what out mothers tell or do not tell us.

> I had no idea what to expect because women just

> didn't talk about it. When I started having symptoms I had no clue

> what was going on.

Exactly. How much better if you had known in advance, what to expect and

how to honor the change instead of either fighting it or wondering what

was going on.

> Fortunately, though, it was easy to find

> information on the web so that I could identify what was going on and

> deal with it in a positive manner.

Good for you. And I am always in awe of what one can do on the web these

days.

I think Dr Northrup is correct that the attitude of modern society is

all wrong. There's no need for discomfort - it's not normal to have any

- and there's a need for a positive attitude as you developed.

Namaste,

IRene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no

circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute

for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner

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You are fortunate...do you have any medical problems at all, for example,

endocrine? Do you know what your blood levels of sex hormones are? Some women

have much more of them than others after menopause, probably from their adrenal

production for the most part? Are you married?

Re: Re: menopause and natural hormone replacement

Idelle Port wrote:

> BTW, are you yourself postmenopausal?

I'm almost 57, and menmopause was uneventful in my earlier 50s.

...Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no

circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute

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Well, I doubt my mom connected what happened to her at menopause with menopause

itself....not only did she flush so noticeably that I could see it across the

room, but after menopause, I don't think she ever had very much deep,

restorative sleep....nor did her two sisters....she never complained about

it....she was widowed fairly shortly after menopause, so the issue of being

married (e.g.sex and vaginal atrophy) didn't apply...ultimately, even thpough

she only bore two children, she experienced urinary incontinence, urinary tract

infections, and both uterine and rectal prolapse that neede to be repaired with

emergency surgery...as I said, she never complained...she was once on HRT for

three months, really blossomed into her old self, but the prescribing doctor

died and neither she nor anyone else in the family knew anything about

continuing it.

So, from my observation, it ain't all mind over matter.

Re: menopause and natural hormone replacement

I very much disagree. My mother never told me anything about PMS nor

about menopause. I had no idea what to expect because women just

didn't talk about it. When I started having symptoms I had no clue

what was going on. Fortunately, though, it was easy to find

information on the web so that I could identify what was going on and

deal with it in a positive manner.

Best regards,

Celeste

Irene de Villiers wrote:

> A normal menopause in humans is as uneventful as it is in animals. We

> get all bent out of shape because we EXPECT a problem - thanks to

> inherited old wives tales and/or poor health. By " inherited " I mean

that

> our mothers put ideas in our heads about both PMS and menopause that

> don't belong there but which affect us badly enough to *create*

symptoms.

>

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circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute

for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner

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Idelle Port wrote:

> Irene, are you postmenopausal yourself?

Hi, Yes.

> If so, do you use any HRT or supplements specifically to deal with menopause

Nope.

However, due to a genetic kidney defect I take potassium and magnesium

daily, have done since childhood.

The magnesium would be useful, most people do not get enough these days

as the soil is leached out by fertilizer use so it doesn't get into the

spinach etc leaves as it should.

I did take extra Vit B6 to prevent PMS and nausea in pregnancy when I

was younger. I have two kids, both natural births, no drugs. I exercised

a lot by swimming (now I cycle) - and I do think strong physical

exercise is essential to keep a body healthy and functioning without

hassles.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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Idelle Port wrote:

> You are fortunate..

Not really. How to handle a female body is a choice.

The other women in my family have awful problems with PMS, menopause

etc. They are largely couch potatoes and believe (erroneously) that it

is " normal " to suffer. It's not.

>do you have any medical problems at all, for example, endocrine?

Serious ones yes.

I have MEN-1 since 2000 just after breast cancer. (Both triggered by a

situation beyond my control which is a long story not for here - the

breast cancer is gone thanks to homeopathy; the MEN-1 is making progress

but harder to beat, also with homeopathy.)

Endocrine also yes:

MEN-1 is multiple endocrine neoplasia. It involves carcinoid tumours

(slow growing cancers that are microscopic and can be anywhere) which

produce endocrine hormones randomly, the hormones being more hassle than

the cancer aspect. In my case mostly cortisol is produced - so my

initial diagnosis was cushing's syndrome. The prolonged high cortisol

has damaged my pancreas enough so I am diabetic as well.

However the sex hormones for me are normal other than estrogen being a

little low due to the high cortisol effect.

None of this has to do with normal functioning regarding menopause

however. Menopause is not a disease! It's a normal body change :-)

You can't compare that to the illness I have.

I can understand that someone with a serious disease involving sex

hormones in some way - and these diseases are rare - may experience

early menopause or some such. But it does not change the fact that going

between reproductive and non-reproductive phases is as natural as

growing longer legs between age 1 and 3.

> Do you know what your blood levels of sex hormones are? Some women

> have much more of them than others after menopause,

I don't agree. Some sex hormones *decrease* after menopause, and it is

why it is easier to gain weight. If you put this in proper context, it

is because as a woman you should be very active after menopause to

fulfil your life goals which were interrupted in your reproductive

phase; you should not be sitting about looking after babies or behind a

desk making money to raise them at that stage. Menopause is a time to

get enthusiasm and activity to fulfil goals that were on hold a

loooooong time - so an exciting positive event if anything. And if that

is how it is approached, that's how it is. You notice kids are too busy

playing games to even notice sensations related to their legs growing

(except in unusual abnormal cass) and so it is with normal menopause.

Many women have hormones out of balance at menopause because their

approach to menopause was unnatural and unwise as to their purpose in

life, or it was fearful of symptoms or anticipates and expected

problems, often in line with society hype about it. (Drug companies want

to sell you drugs for menopause and PMS so they TELL you how to approach

it so you'll need drugs. Their ads make problems seem the norm.)

> probably from their adrenal production for the most part?

Sex hormones don't come from the adrenal gland. They come from the

ovaries, pituitary gland and testes. None of them originates in or acts

on the adrenal gland.

> Are you married?

Not any more. I was for 21 years. Have 2 kids.

....Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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I definitely agree with you about people in the U.S. probably not getting

enough magnesium....well, my three boys were all born without use of anesthesia,

etc. either, but those labors weren't terribly long.... Re: Re: menopause and natural hormone replacement

Idelle Port wrote:

> Irene, are you postmenopausal yourself?

Hi, Yes.

> If so, do you use any HRT or supplements specifically to deal with menopause

Nope.

However, due to a genetic kidney defect I take potassium and magnesium

daily, have done since childhood.

The magnesium would be useful, most people do not get enough these days

as the soil is leached out by fertilizer use so it doesn't get into the

spinach etc leaves as it should.

I did take extra Vit B6 to prevent PMS and nausea in pregnancy when I

was younger. I have two kids, both natural births, no drugs. I exercised

a lot by swimming (now I cycle) - and I do think strong physical

exercise is essential to keep a body healthy and functioning without

hassles.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no

circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute

for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner

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Idelle Port wrote:

> Well, I guess some of use don't have a normal menopause...lucky you...

It has nothing to do with luck and everything to do with intention and

life goals :-)) Had I followed my mom's bad example, I'd be suffering as

she did.

> Actually, I think that some " ancient " (i.e.aged) animals do continue

> to bear babies throughout their life....now I'm curious...I'll poke

> around to see why I think that's the case.....I think it did relate

> specifically to at least one primate...I could be wrong.

I'd be interested - let me know what you find?

<<<..but I think you are just plain wrong that it's one's belief that

is the CAUSE of severe menopausal symptoms.>>>

It's a choice - and deciding I'm wrong will make sure your own menopause

is uncomfortable :-(((

<<...I think you have a lot to learn on the subject of menopause....and

would learn if you listened to some of the women who do have problems

that only start at menopause.>>

I work in the health field so that's why I attend lectures of doctors

like Dr Northrup - it's in line with my life goals and luckily I am not

so closed-minded as to assume the research and lectures are all wrong:-))

So I learned from them and had an easy menopause:-))

So do all her patients and those of her students - and Dr Nothrup DOES

listen to all their complaints:-)))

Don't you even find it odd that tribal cultures honor puberty and

menopause as something special and have no hassles with it? (There are

50 different cultures in South Africa where I was raised, each with

their own language and approaches.)

The reason is that is it NORMAL to have no hassles at menopause.

Those women don't have time to mess about complaining - they are busy -

they have life goals to fulfil, not TV to watch:-))) There are no hot

flashes because they are not munching Twinkies by the TV or whatever.

It's a choice. There is wisdom to take or leave in the adjustment of the

body for a different life that is called puberty at one end and

menopause at the other. Honor it with a different life as is designed to

happen, and you have no hassles.

In my own case, I studied for a new degree, opened my own business in

veterinary homeopathy and never looked back.

Namaste,

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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a1thighmaster wrote:

> LOL! Yes. What it told me was that women do not like to admit their

> age as they get older.

Also a mistake. One's age is a guide to one's wisdom :-))

I see that as a good thing.

> Women simply do not want others to know that

> they are old enough to be experiencing menopause.

This is FEAR. Fear causes lots of symptoms which paradoxically or

ironically are inclined to cause faster ageing:-))))

NAmaste,

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

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Au contraire...sex hormones DO come from adrenals as well as gonads...the cacade

of adrenal hormones starting at the top with cholesterol and ending, I think,

with sex hormones is available somewhere on the web, I'm sure.

Well, I'm a very " rare " one....hyperandrogenism developed well after

menopause...now, after bilateral adrenalectomy, they're still trying to find

where I'm producing testosterone in the male range (400 ng/dl, where 60-70 is

tippy-top female)...it now appears to be some (probably tiny) remnant of

" adrenal rest " tissue left over from when I was an embryo that just decided to

start cranking out hormones (probably cortisol and who knows what else)....cute,

yes? But then, MEN-1 is no picnic either....nor breast cancer. I'm curious how

high your cortisol has been...and also how low your estrogen is. BTW, you

probably are aware of the glucose lowering effect of cinnamon...if not, see

Diabetes Care 2003, the work by R.A. .....the diabetes may be your

biggest challenge in the long run.

If you don't mind my asking, besides homeopathy, is there any other treatment

you pursued for MEN-1? Ditto for breast cancer....

Because you're no longer married, I won't pursue what I would have said

otherwise.

Re: Re: menopause and natural hormone replacement

Idelle Port wrote:

> You are fortunate..

Not really. How to handle a female body is a choice.

The other women in my family have awful problems with PMS, menopause

etc. They are largely couch potatoes and believe (erroneously) that it

is " normal " to suffer. It's not.

>do you have any medical problems at all, for example, endocrine?

Serious ones yes.

I have MEN-1 since 2000 just after breast cancer. (Both triggered by a

situation beyond my control which is a long story not for here - the

breast cancer is gone thanks to homeopathy; the MEN-1 is making progress

but harder to beat, also with homeopathy.)

Endocrine also yes:

MEN-1 is multiple endocrine neoplasia. It involves carcinoid tumours

(slow growing cancers that are microscopic and can be anywhere) which

produce endocrine hormones randomly, the hormones being more hassle than

the cancer aspect. In my case mostly cortisol is produced - so my

initial diagnosis was cushing's syndrome. The prolonged high cortisol

has damaged my pancreas enough so I am diabetic as well.

However the sex hormones for me are normal other than estrogen being a

little low due to the high cortisol effect.

None of this has to do with normal functioning regarding menopause

however. Menopause is not a disease! It's a normal body change :-)

You can't compare that to the illness I have.

I can understand that someone with a serious disease involving sex

hormones in some way - and these diseases are rare - may experience

early menopause or some such. But it does not change the fact that going

between reproductive and non-reproductive phases is as natural as

growing longer legs between age 1 and 3.

> Do you know what your blood levels of sex hormones are? Some women

> have much more of them than others after menopause,

I don't agree. Some sex hormones *decrease* after menopause, and it is

why it is easier to gain weight. If you put this in proper context, it

is because as a woman you should be very active after menopause to

fulfil your life goals which were interrupted in your reproductive

phase; you should not be sitting about looking after babies or behind a

desk making money to raise them at that stage. Menopause is a time to

get enthusiasm and activity to fulfil goals that were on hold a

loooooong time - so an exciting positive event if anything. And if that

is how it is approached, that's how it is. You notice kids are too busy

playing games to even notice sensations related to their legs growing

(except in unusual abnormal cass) and so it is with normal menopause.

Many women have hormones out of balance at menopause because their

approach to menopause was unnatural and unwise as to their purpose in

life, or it was fearful of symptoms or anticipates and expected

problems, often in line with society hype about it. (Drug companies want

to sell you drugs for menopause and PMS so they TELL you how to approach

it so you'll need drugs. Their ads make problems seem the norm.)

> probably from their adrenal production for the most part?

Sex hormones don't come from the adrenal gland. They come from the

ovaries, pituitary gland and testes. None of them originates in or acts

on the adrenal gland.

> Are you married?

Not any more. I was for 21 years. Have 2 kids.

...Irene

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Neither my mom nor my mother-in-law sat around watching TV after

menopause....they probably just lived long enough (88,91) to experience the

" golden years " .

Re: Re: menopause and natural hormone replacement

Idelle Port wrote:

> Well, I guess some of use don't have a normal menopause...lucky you...

It has nothing to do with luck and everything to do with intention and

life goals :-)) Had I followed my mom's bad example, I'd be suffering as

she did.

> Actually, I think that some " ancient " (i.e.aged) animals do continue

> to bear babies throughout their life....now I'm curious...I'll poke

> around to see why I think that's the case.....I think it did relate

> specifically to at least one primate...I could be wrong.

I'd be interested - let me know what you find?

<<<..but I think you are just plain wrong that it's one's belief that

is the CAUSE of severe menopausal symptoms.>>>

It's a choice - and deciding I'm wrong will make sure your own menopause

is uncomfortable :-(((

<<...I think you have a lot to learn on the subject of menopause....and

would learn if you listened to some of the women who do have problems

that only start at menopause.>>

I work in the health field so that's why I attend lectures of doctors

like Dr Northrup - it's in line with my life goals and luckily I am not

so closed-minded as to assume the research and lectures are all wrong:-))

So I learned from them and had an easy menopause:-))

So do all her patients and those of her students - and Dr Nothrup DOES

listen to all their complaints:-)))

Don't you even find it odd that tribal cultures honor puberty and

menopause as something special and have no hassles with it? (There are

50 different cultures in South Africa where I was raised, each with

their own language and approaches.)

The reason is that is it NORMAL to have no hassles at menopause.

Those women don't have time to mess about complaining - they are busy -

they have life goals to fulfil, not TV to watch:-))) There are no hot

flashes because they are not munching Twinkies by the TV or whatever.

It's a choice. There is wisdom to take or leave in the adjustment of the

body for a different life that is called puberty at one end and

menopause at the other. Honor it with a different life as is designed to

happen, and you have no hassles.

In my own case, I studied for a new degree, opened my own business in

veterinary homeopathy and never looked back.

Namaste,

Irene

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I eat very few carbs....what diet exactly are you recommending for menopause?

Re: Re: menopause and natural hormone replacement

Idelle Port wrote:

>>> Well, I doubt my mom connected what happened to her at menopause

with menopause itself....not only did she flush so noticeably that I

could see it across the room>>>

Mine too, but she was a couch potato with no ambitions to fulfil her

life goal. She knew what her goal was - just never acted on it. If she

had, she'd have lived differently - she'd have eaten to support her

goal, been active to support her goal, etc. Result no hot flashes (which

are mostly triggered by sugar). If you are fulfilling a goal you do not

eat carbs you will not be burning right away and do not get hot flashes.

<<<but after menopause, I don't think she ever had very much deep,

restorative sleep....nor did her two sisters....she never complained

about it>>>>

But like the women in my family - none was busy working towards a goal

either it seems.

Having a goal in life changes your approach to everything, and the work

ensures you get sleep. Acting as you did before menopause is the mistake

women are making - they have changed for a reason - to prepare fro a new

life with new activities - it's a brilliant design we have - but women

need to honor it and use it to change what they do with the new body.

Then it will treat them well in return.

You can't run a Ferrari on carbs, it needs fancy fuel - so do women

after menopause. Carry on eating spaghetti and potato and pay the hot

flash price. That energy has to burn off somewhere if the person is not

using it.

<<<....she was widowed fairly shortly after menopause, so the issue of

being married (e.g.sex and vaginal atrophy) didn't apply>>

Huh??? What kind of outdated idea is this???

:-)))

Vaginal atrophy is a health, diet and fitness issue not a marriage

issue:-)) Nor is menopause a marriage issue - it is entirely to do with

the woman alone - she and HER life purpose. Her husband needs to

accommodate or he may be left in her dust!

<< ...ultimately, even though she only bore two children, she

experienced urinary incontinence, urinary tract infections, and both

uterine and rectal prolapse that needed to be repaired with emergency

surgery...>>>

My mother had all that as well except the rectal prolapse.

Like your mother she accepted it as her normal and did not complain.

But she was NOT doing what life intended. She missed the " wisdom of

menopause " . Her body changed for a reason and she missed it, did not

honor it.

<<< as I said, she never complained...she was once on HRT for three

months, really blossomed into her old self, but the prescribing doctor

died and neither she nor anyone else in the family knew anything about

continuing it.>>

The HRT just covers up the problem a while - it's not a fix for what

the body is intended to do that is not being done.

There are countless sad stories of women who went through menopause this

awful unnecessary way.

Had our mothers seen the light, they'd have been eating and behaving

differently to meet exciting life goals they now have time for, not just

sitting about waiting for health to rot without realizing it.

My grandmother at age 105 taught me much wisdom, one pearl of which was:

Use it or lose it.

If you have a life and do not USE it well, you'll lose it. As your and

my mother both did. But as I shall *not* do despite serious health problems.

My gran and her 12 siblings averaged 105 years of life by the way, the

youngest was 98 - and it really was life. Duno who gave them their

wisdom but it was there. They decided what to do and went about it with

gusto, looking for the ways to achieve it, and not hearing anyone who

discouraged them. When at 98 gran was told she was too old to start a

new business, she thought that was a good joke. Use it or lose it - she

was planning to use not lose. And she did. Perhaps she had to find ways

to eat better to sustain her goal activity..... and ways to get around

physical work she could no longer do by sharing with help she paid to

get etc. But the goal was there and she worked towards it. She had her

pawpaw, banana and Cape gooseberry farm in what was ia at the

time, and it did very well.

It's all about having life goals - they DRIVE you to eat and exercise

according to your new body design. It didn't change for nothing!

So yes - it is " all in the head " (or missing from the head.)

> So, from my observation, it ain't all mind over matter.

As I see it from your description - you have described exactly that -

mind that didn't do what mattered and resulted in suffering!

As I said I am not explaining it well - read Dr Northrup's book, you

won't be sorry!

I've not read it myself; I've attended her lectures, so I presume

the book is even more detail. If she writes as well as she speaks, it

should be laced with humour too and a fun read.

Namaste,

Irene

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The pituitary doesn't make sex hormones...it makes GnRH, gonadotropin releasing

hormone, which to sex hormones is analogous to TSH to thyroid and ACTH to

cortisol.

Re: Re: menopause and natural hormone replacement

Idelle Port wrote:

> You are fortunate..

Not really. How to handle a female body is a choice.

The other women in my family have awful problems with PMS, menopause

etc. They are largely couch potatoes and believe (erroneously) that it

is " normal " to suffer. It's not.

>do you have any medical problems at all, for example, endocrine?

Serious ones yes.

I have MEN-1 since 2000 just after breast cancer. (Both triggered by a

situation beyond my control which is a long story not for here - the

breast cancer is gone thanks to homeopathy; the MEN-1 is making progress

but harder to beat, also with homeopathy.)

Endocrine also yes:

MEN-1 is multiple endocrine neoplasia. It involves carcinoid tumours

(slow growing cancers that are microscopic and can be anywhere) which

produce endocrine hormones randomly, the hormones being more hassle than

the cancer aspect. In my case mostly cortisol is produced - so my

initial diagnosis was cushing's syndrome. The prolonged high cortisol

has damaged my pancreas enough so I am diabetic as well.

However the sex hormones for me are normal other than estrogen being a

little low due to the high cortisol effect.

None of this has to do with normal functioning regarding menopause

however. Menopause is not a disease! It's a normal body change :-)

You can't compare that to the illness I have.

I can understand that someone with a serious disease involving sex

hormones in some way - and these diseases are rare - may experience

early menopause or some such. But it does not change the fact that going

between reproductive and non-reproductive phases is as natural as

growing longer legs between age 1 and 3.

> Do you know what your blood levels of sex hormones are? Some women

> have much more of them than others after menopause,

I don't agree. Some sex hormones *decrease* after menopause, and it is

why it is easier to gain weight. If you put this in proper context, it

is because as a woman you should be very active after menopause to

fulfil your life goals which were interrupted in your reproductive

phase; you should not be sitting about looking after babies or behind a

desk making money to raise them at that stage. Menopause is a time to

get enthusiasm and activity to fulfil goals that were on hold a

loooooong time - so an exciting positive event if anything. And if that

is how it is approached, that's how it is. You notice kids are too busy

playing games to even notice sensations related to their legs growing

(except in unusual abnormal cass) and so it is with normal menopause.

Many women have hormones out of balance at menopause because their

approach to menopause was unnatural and unwise as to their purpose in

life, or it was fearful of symptoms or anticipates and expected

problems, often in line with society hype about it. (Drug companies want

to sell you drugs for menopause and PMS so they TELL you how to approach

it so you'll need drugs. Their ads make problems seem the norm.)

> probably from their adrenal production for the most part?

Sex hormones don't come from the adrenal gland. They come from the

ovaries, pituitary gland and testes. None of them originates in or acts

on the adrenal gland.

> Are you married?

Not any more. I was for 21 years. Have 2 kids.

...Irene

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> Sex hormones don't come from the adrenal gland. They come from the

> ovaries, pituitary gland and testes. None of them originates in or acts

> on the adrenal gland.

>

Adrenal glands produce testosterone in both men and women although they are

not the primary sources.

Winter

[Guest guest]

Idelle Port wrote:

> Au contraire...sex hormones DO come from adrenals as well as gonads..

Negligible proportions though, especially after menopause.

Before menopause, testosterone in women is like 25-70 ng/dl, 25% from

the ovaries, 50% from peripheral conversion of adrenal precursor

androgens and only 25% from the adrenal cotex. By age 30 or 40 that 25%

from adrenals drops at least in half again. So it's by no stretch the

main source. In addition most of it - nearly all - is bound to sex

hormone binding globulin and it can not do anything unless it is " free " .

> Well, I'm a very " rare " one....hyperandrogenism developed well after

> menopause...now, after bilateral adrenalectomy,

Ouch - so you basically have surgically induced 's as well now?

They offered me a bilateral adrenalectomy - nice sweep it under the

carpet approach supposedly to get rid of my high cortisol that they

*assumed* was being produced by adrenals (it's not) - but I luckily

declined.

<< they're still trying to find where I'm producing testosterone in the

male range (400 ng/dl, where 60-70 is tippy-top female)...it now appears

to be some (probably tiny) remnant of " adrenal rest " tissue left over

from when I was an embryo that just decided to start cranking out

hormones (probably cortisol and who knows what else)....cute, yes?>>>

So they think there is remnant tissue external to the adrenals that is

producing hormones? I guess not visible on MRI etc?

<< But then, MEN-1 is no picnic either....nor breast cancer. I'm curious

how high your cortisol has been...and also how low your estrogen is. >>

Cortisol is measured very many different ways depending what lab you use

and which technique they use. It's always a total 24hr urine measure but

the lab standard varies by test method.

So where normal is 10 (or up to 40 for a marathon athlete) mine is now

averaging 320. It's lower than it would be but I take fistfuls of

suppplements to help control it, else I would not be functional at all.

(I wasn't functional at one stage, I almost copped it in 2001.) The

problem is worse with time - cortisol is death to cells so it is a

constant battle daily to re-grow as much as cortisol destroys.

<<<BTW, you probably are aware of the glucose lowering effect of

cinnamon...>>

Doesn't work for me but thanks yes I know about it - for me it is

inflammatory (as predicted in blood type research actually) but I do

find sugar ban helpful (gymnema sylvestre plus other things) and ALA.

<<if not, see Diabetes Care 2003, the work by R.A. .....the

diabetes may be your biggest challenge in the long run.>>

Actually no, it's a cakewalk compared with the cortisol killing every

kind of cell in my system, from brain and hair to toes and everything

inbetween.

It's the cortisol that is a killer. The diabetes is easy to control,

just skip the carbs, it's not like we need any. I use about 4 or 5 units

of insulin a day max, plus supplements, diet and exercise. I've already

*reversed* most of the damage from it - the peripheral neuropathy and

kidney damage - but not the sight reduction, that is still a hassle.

The problem was it was not diagnosed till I had damage - the

doctors just ignored my high blood sugars as " normal " with all that

cortisol around. Then a new endo asked me one day last November " What do

you use for your diabetes? " and that was the first I knew about it.

<< If you don't mind my asking, besides homeopathy, is there any other

treatment you pursued for MEN-1? Ditto for breast cancer....>>>

I don't mind your asking. I'll answer separately for the 2 health

issues, but the real answer is no for both:

For breast cancer, I got a diagnosis and of course they wanted to do

drastic stuff immediately, it was a large and hot tumour. I knew right

away I was not going that way and would be using homeopathy - but I

feared hassles from the doctor and so I told him I would be getting a

2nd opinion, and just never went back, never got a 2nd opinion. I was in

a hurry to get the homeopathy started. In homeopathy everything depends

on a well selected remedy that matches the symptoms - it was really easy

with the breast cancer - the remedy practically jumped at me, so I was

completely confident it would work, but I wanted a cream form to use

topically as well, and I needed to import that (from South AFrica and

the homeopathic pharmacist there custom made it and sent it out stat for

me.) So within a week I was no longer in pain and a month later I was

fine, no sign of tumour. Since homeopathy works by building resistance

to the problem, it won't come back.

I can't really explain how I knew with certainty I would come right on

homeopathy and quickly but I did know. Apart from urgency to get started

and annoyance with myself for not spotting the problem much earlier, I

had no anxiety at all.

With the MEN-1 it's not so simple. I was fit and healthy till 1998 and

then after a few months of extreme trauma with malnutrition (don't want

to go into that aspect; it happened) I put on weight inexplicably and

felt weak and out of breath - and I had blood pressure with 200's

systolic. (Used to have low BP if anything.) Could not get a diagnosis

and went to 13 doctors looking for answers till I collapsed and was

taken by a neighbour to hospital in Apr 2001. I had heart damage, lung

damage, was 300 lbs, was hardly able to breathe etc. They said " severe

lung disease " but that was not it. I had heart attacks from hypokalemia

as the docs would not give me Rx potassium and I did not have cash to

buy my own bottle a day (for the inherited kidney defect I have) But

somehow I got through to November that year. Saw a kidney specialist re

the K I needed and he asked for a renal panel and sloppily landed his

checkmark in the endocrine panel. That showed an astronomical cortisol

reading - more tests followed and " cushing's syndrome " was diagnosed.

All this time I had no medicines other than BP ones to which I had

life threatening reactions on the first try, so I was using homeopathy

and Hawthorn berry on advice of a homeopath kind enough to treat me free

of charge as by now everything I'd ever saved including pension was all

gone and I was way too sick to work of course.

Problem is they could not find adrenal or pituitary tumours as is

usual with cushings, and also I had other hormones out of whack

(aldosterone sky high and insulin as well) and to shorten the story the

MEN-1 was discovered only in July 2004 when multiple tests were orrdered

and the 5-HIAA came back sky high. (5 Hydroxy indole acetic acid is

produced by carcinoid tumours as a metabolic by-product.)

MRIs and CT scans and no carcinoid tumours found. so even if I

wanted some other approach it's not available:

There is no cure or treatent for cushings - the high cortisol -

anyway. The usual " treatment " is to surgically remove the pituitary

and/or adrenals. That would not have helped in my case. So basically I'm

still here thanks to homeopahty. Cushings " untreated " kills in less than

5 years so I should have checked out 2002 latest.

For MEN-1 the " treatment " is also to remove tumours IF they are

found and IF they are in an operable place. They are microscopic and in

my case not found. Only the hormone levels and 5HIAA and symtoms tell

that they exist. I did have one " something " removed this year from under

a back tooth - the fool surgeon did not investigate what it was as she

was supposed to do, but it was pushing the tooth up. My dentist

discovered it and sent me for the surgery.

So basically - I don't have an option anyway - they do not have

options in conventional medicine for my situation. At the moment I do

not even have an endocrinologist officially my doctor - the last one

like the other two, sent me packing. She is afraid of homeopathy and has

no other answers.

So basically I did explore all my options with conventional medicine for

MEN-1 but they really had nothing to offer - and took from May 1998 to

July 2004 just to diagnose it - a few years more than the supposed

listed maximum survival time :-))

Not a great recommendation for conventional medicine:-)

Most of my time is spent finding ways to get healthier with supplements

and homeopathy, and trying to work enough to finance it. Finding the

right remedy for MEN-1 has not been so easy as it was with the breast

cancer, so it is a slow struggle. I am using a remedy, and obviously it

is helping - but not enough to chase the disease - just slow progress.

But compared to how sick I was in 2001 - I am doing amazingly as even

the regular doctors are amazed but admit. They just can not understand

how I can be here is all. I'm not well - life is a challenge - but I am

up for it, and I do have great support from my ARNP and from my

homeopath. My ARNP supports my choices in diet, insulin and Mg and K use

etc; she understands I know more about my case than the doctors and

basically goes along with it. My homeopath picks me up everey time I

have a crisis and gets me back on track.

My homeopath is not local so can not write what few prescriptions I use

- the K and Mg for the kidney defect - and the insulin. That's it.

Everything else is homeopathy and supplements. I am definitely

supplement poor but it helps :-)

> Because you're no longer married, I won't pursue what I would have

> said otherwise.

I won't even ask :-)))

I hope that you get better success with your unusual health issue. The

rare ones usually flummox the medics and leave us carrying the ball

solo. The proverb I quote in my siglines refers to my own health

challenges :-)

Namaste,

Irene

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Idelle Port wrote:

<<< The pituitary doesn't make sex hormones...it makes GnRH,

gonadotropin releasing hormone, which to sex hormones is analogous to

TSH to thyroid and ACTH to cortisol.>>>

Not quite if what I studied is correct:

GnRH is not made in the pituitary, it's made in the hypothalamus and

sent to the pituitary where it causes release of other hormones such as

follicle stimulating hormone (FSH, a sex hormone in my book).

FSH in turn acts on the follicle in women to cause it to release

estrogen. In males FSH from the pituitary acts with testosterone to

stimulate sperm production.

Then there's luteinizing hormone, with release from pituitary also

triggered by GnRH arriving there. It stimulates follicle to make

estrogen first part of cycle in women - then causes development of

corpus luteum late in cycle which then secretes progesterone....

In men LH stimulates testes to produce testosterone.

In small cats repeated matings are required to increase luteinizing

hormone till it is high enough to allow release of egg cells.

Then there's Prolactin - the hormone to stimulate lactation....

All of these from the anterior pituitary lobe, I would call sex hormones.

There's also oxytocin from the posterior pituitary lobe. It causes

contractions during birth, and bonding between male and female after

sex, and bonding between mother and child etc.

Maybe we have different definitions of sex hormones:-)

Or maybe you forgot these ones.

Namaste,

IRene

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>>

>Negligible proportions though, especially after menopause.

>Before menopause, testosterone in women is like 25-70 ng/dl, 25% from

>the ovaries, 50% from peripheral conversion of adrenal precursor

>androgens and only 25% from the adrenal cotex. By age 30 or 40 that 25%

>from adrenals drops at least in half again. So it's by no stretch the

>main source. In addition most of it - nearly all - is bound to sex

>hormone binding globulin and it can not do anything unless it is " free " .

>

Why do you not count the 50% from peripheral conversion as part of the

amount attributable to the adrenals. DHEA converts to testosterone and DHEA

is produced in the adrenals for example.

Also, it is the ratio between estrogen and adrogens that is important in

both men and women. Estrogen becomes more problematic in men as the level of

T declines because estrogen is able to exert a stronger influence after T

declines. Similarly in women androgens are able to exert a stronger

influence as the previously-dominant estrogen declines. So a specific

amount of T or E in either men or women may or may not be problematic

depending on the ratio to the other hormone. A womans androgen level may

decline but she may nevertheless have some masculinizing effects because her

estrogen level has declined even more.

Winter

[Guest guest]

Down East wrote:

> Why do you not count the 50% from peripheral conversion as part of the

> amount attributable to the adrenals.

I listed it fairly, but it's indirect as opposed to " from " adrenals.

Most hormones belong in a chain (for example hypothalamus sends

something to pituitary which sends something to follicles which produce

hormones etc). If you want to attribute to the organ of origin for all

the cascading chains it takes the sense out of what's produced where.

In my opinion.

> Also, it is the ratio between estrogen and adrogens that is important in

> both men and women.

I agree ratio is important and commonly gets out of balance, but the

finite amount of one or other in excess is also very important even

though it happens less often. Either one in excess has effects on other

hormones and metabolism besides just the estrogen/testosterone balance.

Namaste,

Irene

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Sorry, I was thinking of GnRH-->LH and FSH... Re: Re: menopause and natural hormone replacement

Idelle Port wrote:

<<< The pituitary doesn't make sex hormones...it makes GnRH,

gonadotropin releasing hormone, which to sex hormones is analogous to

TSH to thyroid and ACTH to cortisol.>>>

Not quite if what I studied is correct:

GnRH is not made in the pituitary, it's made in the hypothalamus and

sent to the pituitary where it causes release of other hormones such as

follicle stimulating hormone (FSH, a sex hormone in my book).

FSH in turn acts on the follicle in women to cause it to release

estrogen. In males FSH from the pituitary acts with testosterone to

stimulate sperm production.

Then there's luteinizing hormone, with release from pituitary also

triggered by GnRH arriving there. It stimulates follicle to make

estrogen first part of cycle in women - then causes development of

corpus luteum late in cycle which then secretes progesterone....

In men LH stimulates testes to produce testosterone.

In small cats repeated matings are required to increase luteinizing

hormone till it is high enough to allow release of egg cells.

Then there's Prolactin - the hormone to stimulate lactation....

All of these from the anterior pituitary lobe, I would call sex hormones.

There's also oxytocin from the posterior pituitary lobe. It causes

contractions during birth, and bonding between male and female after

sex, and bonding between mother and child etc.

Maybe we have different definitions of sex hormones:-)

Or maybe you forgot these ones.

Namaste,

IRene

--

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