Re: risperadol and Strattera

December 25, 2003

Risperdal is an antipsychotic (not applicable in autism, which is not a mental illness): http://www.medbroadcast.com/drug_info_details.asp?brand_name_id=970

Strattera is a SNRI, focussing on the stress response: http://www.strattera.com/1_1_about_strattera/1_1_about.jsp

norepinephrine:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/n1/norepine.asp

You may want to try AD/FX, a natural product with no nasty side effects: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0FDN/4_6/78539423/p1/article.jhtml

risperadol and Strattera

Hi, no, risperadol and Strattera are completely different. I don't know all the differences, but Strattera was developed specifically to be an ADHD-effective drug(Dr. Arnold at Nisonger Center OSU in Cols. helped develop the drug and he monitored my son's trial-I was so lucky!) Risperadol was developed for a different reason-I can't remember, it was for a condition and they noticed the behavioral control as a side effect and began to prescribe it for that. I have an old PDR and a more recent pharmaceutical book and I will try to look that up for you later, it is so noisy in here!(video games and toy play with three boys!

Strattera is not a stimulant, unlike ritalin, which was one thing I liked about it. My son was also having issues with over-eating. He was taking foods from other kids and one day was about to grab a favorite food from the trash can!(ugh!) The Strattera diminished his appetite and size to normal(he was moving into mens pants sizes at age 11, which is scary due to diabetes and heart problems in both sides of the family). He is now back in boys sizes and is slim. He was always sneaking food before, now he eats normally and looks so much better. His two brothers are naturally slim, and it is so much healthier for him. We had tried ritalin(gave him headaches so bad he asked to go to the hospital when he was terrified of doctors back then)and adderall(he had a weird reaction with dry itchy eyes and skin around his eyes turning pink and acting like a zombie). On Strattera he is able to pay better attention, has about 0 aggression(just like a typical kid now, he fights with his brothers a little:)and is doing well in school. Before the Strattera, we had issues with all those things I mentioned, and despite behavioral interventions, I felt some of it was medical due to puberty and difficult to address with only behavioral techniques(I am a huge believer in them, but if it's physical, you also have to deal with the physical:) I will get back to you when things slow down, its pretty crazy here with all their presents all over the place! Warm Regards, Sally

December 26, 2003

Sally,

Thanks For getting back to me! J is 16 and has taken resperdal for 3 years but all I see are side effects now. He has anxiety and panic attacks. Even tho he has taken it for 3 years he is only 104 pounds soaking wet! haha! He eats alot but is always moving around. Do you think the strattera would help that? Thanks a lot! Merry Christmas! Lois

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risperadol and Strattera

Hi, no, risperadol and Strattera are completely different. I don't know all the differences, but Strattera was developed specifically to be an ADHD-effective drug(Dr. Arnold at Nisonger Center OSU in Cols. helped develop the drug and he monitored my son's trial-I was so lucky!) Risperadol was developed for a different reason-I can't remember, it was for a condition and they noticed the behavioral control as a side effect and began to prescribe it for that. I have an old PDR and a more recent pharmaceutical book and I will try to look that up for you later, it is so noisy in here!(video games and toy play with three boys!

Strattera is not a stimulant, unlike ritalin, which was one thing I liked about it. My son was also having issues with over-eating. He was taking foods from other kids and one day was about to grab a favorite food from the trash can!(ugh!) The Strattera diminished his appetite and size to normal(he was moving into mens pants sizes at age 11, which is scary due to diabetes and heart problems in both sides of the family). He is now back in boys sizes and is slim. He was always sneaking food before, now he eats normally and looks so much better. His two brothers are naturally slim, and it is so much healthier for him. We had tried ritalin(gave him headaches so bad he asked to go to the hospital when he was terrified of doctors back then)and adderall(he had a weird reaction with dry itchy eyes and skin around his eyes turning pink and acting like a zombie). On Strattera he is able to pay better attention, has about 0 aggression(just like a typical kid now, he fights with his brothers a little:)and is doing well in school. Before the Strattera, we had issues with all those things I mentioned, and despite behavioral interventions, I felt some of it was medical due to puberty and difficult to address with only behavioral techniques(I am a huge believer in them, but if it's physical, you also have to deal with the physical:) I will get back to you when things slow down, its pretty crazy here with all their presents all over the place! Warm Regards, Sally

December 26, 2003

Risperadol was not developed for autism, but when it was used in

trials it was found to have some beneficial effects anyway for kids

who had behaviors. That happens sometimes with " off-label " use, where

something is beneficial for a symptom it wasn't originally developed

to treat. An example is the property of aspirin in which it thins

blood. Now it is widely used to help prevent heart attacks because of

this sometimes-useful property.

Some medications developed for blood pressure have additional

properties, etc.A lot of times these are " happy accidents " of trying a

drug for one thing and noticing a change in another area as well...

Sally:)

> Risperdal is an antipsychotic (not applicable in autism, which is

not a mental illness):

http://www.medbroadcast.com/drug_info_details.asp?brand_name_id=970

>

> Strattera is a SNRI, focussing on the stress response:

http://www.strattera.com/1_1_about_strattera/1_1_about.jsp

> norepinephrine:

> http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/n1/norepine.asp

>

> You may want to try AD/FX, a natural product with no nasty side

effects:

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0FDN/4_6/78539423/p1/article.jhtml

>

> risperadol and Strattera

>

> Hi, no, risperadol and Strattera are completely different. I don't

know all the differences, but Strattera was developed specifically to

be an ADHD-effective drug(Dr. Arnold at Nisonger Center OSU in Cols.

helped develop the drug and he monitored my son's trial-I was so

lucky!) Risperadol was developed for a different reason-I can't

remember, it was for a condition and they noticed the behavioral

control as a side effect and began to prescribe it for that. I have an

old PDR and a more recent pharmaceutical book and I will try to look

that up for you later, it is so noisy in here!(video games and toy

play with three boys!

> Strattera is not a stimulant, unlike ritalin, which was one thing

I liked about it. My son was also having issues with over-eating. He

was taking foods from other kids and one day was about to grab a

favorite food from the trash can!(ugh!) The Strattera diminished his

appetite and size to normal(he was moving into mens pants sizes at age

11, which is scary due to diabetes and heart problems in both sides

of the family). He is now back in boys sizes and is slim. He was

always sneaking food before, now he eats normally and looks so much

better. His two brothers are naturally slim, and it is so much

healthier for him. We had tried ritalin(gave him headaches so bad he

asked to go to the hospital when he was terrified of doctors back

then)and adderall(he had a weird reaction with dry itchy eyes and skin

around his eyes turning pink and acting like a zombie). On Strattera

he is able to pay better attention, has about 0 aggression(just like a

typical kid now, he fights with his brothers a little:)and is doing

well in school. Before the Strattera, we had issues with all those

things I mentioned, and despite behavioral interventions, I felt some

of it was medical due to puberty and difficult to address with only

behavioral techniques(I am a huge believer in them, but if it's

physical, you also have to deal with the physical:) I will get back to

you when things slow down, its pretty crazy here with all their

presents all over the place! Warm Regards, Sally

>

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December 26, 2003

Hi Lois,

I hesitate to advise someone too directly medically, as I am not a

medical professional, I am a mom:) I found my book on medications and

I was thinking maybe something else might help. Clonidine or possibly

guafacine(Tenex)also(just something for you to research). I quote from

the book, " The International Consensus Handbook..Psychotropic

Medications and Developmental Disabilities " Edited by Reiss and

G.Aman, published by Ohio State Nisonger

Center(Publisher)copywrite 1998.(Distributed by the American Assoc. on

Mental Retardation).pg.264 first paragraph.

.... " In summary, clonidine appears to be a useful medication for some

patients with ADHD who also have associated chronic tic disorders,

severely decreased appetite, sleep problems as a primary complaint or

secondary to treatment with stimulants(Fox & Rieder, 1993; Golden,

1990;Hunt, et.al. 1986) "

Another section on clonidine on aggression in a study(on same page in

the book)... " Kemph et. al.(1993)tested their hypotheis in an open

trial of clonidine. They treated 17 severely aggressive children, aged

5 to 15, who met diagnostic criteria for either conduct disorder or

oppositional defiant disorder. The doses ranged from 0.15 to 0.40

mg/day for 1 to 18 months. The results indicated that aggression

decreased in 15 of the 17 children. "

This is just a sample of the info. It does have side effects and most

things do, whether " natural " or " manufactured " (look at the fen-fen

problems people had:)so proceed with caution. Clonidine is also

something you can't just stop, it has to be tapered off of. I don't

know how Strattera might work for your guy...for some kids it is

great, others do really badly on it. My son does well and tolerates it

well, and a friend of mine's son has decreased stimming and his eye

contact and language are up(he is low-mid-functioning and verbal with

autism, my son is very high-functioning and older by some years at age

12).

Just fyi:) My son did a trial of Strattera with Dr. Aman(one of the

editors of this book)and Dr.Arnold, a psychiatrist, and it had very

careful monitoring. Nisonger Center at OSU in Columbus, Ohio does a

lot of research and drug trials with people with ADHD, autism, MR/DD's

of all kinds and I really recommend them. Very nice people too and

some of the most knowledgable in the world in the area of meds and

people with different conditions as I just wrote-Dr.Arnold was on a

team developing the use of Strattera, so I couldn't have asked for

anyone more knowledgable to help me:)I feel really lucky. Merry

Christmas to you, too Lois:)

Take care, Sally

> Sally,

> Thanks For getting back to me! J is 16 and has taken resperdal for

3 years but all I see are side effects now. He has anxiety and panic

attacks. Even tho he has taken it for 3 years he is only 104 pounds

soaking wet! haha! He eats alot but is always moving around. Do you

think the strattera would help that? Thanks a lot! Merry Christmas! Lois

>

> Lois Noland

> President

> Washington county ASA

>

> 721 Georgia Ave Hagerstown Md 21740

> 240-420-3692

> jlois@s...

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