Re: vegan vs ADA

[Guest guest]

Here is the article that got me started on a low-fat vegan diet:

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/29/8/1777

I had begged my clinic to test my blood sugar levels for the last five

years and they kept putting me off. Then they insisted on a test when

I turned 40. Who knows how long I had been diabetic?

I was already angry about the low level of care I felt I was getting,

but then the woman they had me speak to about how to manage my

diabetes said that I had to eat meat five times a day. I explained to

her that my religion has regular " fasting " days where I can eat no

meat, no fish, no eggs, no dairy, no olive oil and that I couldn't eat

the way she was suggesting on those days so we would have to work

around that. She told me that I had to eat meat and that I couldn't

eat beans as a diabetic because they have too many carbs. She became

derisive and insulting toward my religion so I walked out.

I went straight to the academic databases to see what the medical

journals had to say about diabetics eating beans or eating a

vegetarian diet and a BUNCH of articles popped up. The one I read

first - the one linked above - not only quelled any doubts about the

safety of following my religious discipline but seemed to indicate

that I'd be better off just eating that way all the time! I asked my

priest for permission (we are taught that it is spiritually dangerous

to fast like a monk unless we also pray like a monk. Since few

laypeople have 12+ hours per day to devote to prayer, the Church

advises to stick with the regular fast days instead of trying to fast

all the time.) My priest gave me his blessing and said that God had

given me an infirmity as a gift and that following stricter discipline

for medical reasons could be a path to spiritual growth as well.

So . . . that's why I went low-fat vegan for my type 2 diabetes. (I

notice lots of articles just say " vegan " but the research is nearly

universally on " low-fat, low-glycemic, whole-food vegan. " I hope that

interested people read further and learn that just going vegan isn't

enough. After all, Cracker Jacks and Tootsie Rolls are vegan!)

Thanks for the articles. It's great to see the body of research on

this topic growing by leaps and bounds!

Sparrow

On 5/17/09, Thia .... <bipolyf@...> wrote:

>

> I was just forwarded these links to a few websites, referencing a couple

> different studies done in recent years, that state a vegan diet shows better

> results against diabetes, than the ADA diet.

>

> Just thought a few folks here would be interested in these links.

>

> Thia

>

> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/26/health/webmd/main1837927.shtml

>

> http://diabetes.webmd.com/news/20081001/vegan-diet-good-type-2-diabetes

>

> http://www.pcrm.org/health/clinres/diabetes.html

>

> http://pcrm.org/news/archive090430a.html

[Guest guest]

I am a type 1 diabetic. I can tell you that an ADA diet will put you in an early

grave with horrid complications. The main advice I can give you (as a nurse) is

to keep your HA1C level at 6 or below. The ADA says 7. You will do better on a

low fat or vegan diet if you stay away from the juices and certain fruit. Watch

the grains, as diabetics can have intolerances toward them. You can find out for

sure if you get a reliable doc to test you for wheat intolerances.

 

Elaine  

From: Thia .... <bipolyf@...>

Subject: vegan vs ADA

Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 9:54 PM

I was just forwarded these links to a few websites, referencing a couple

different studies done in recent years, that state a vegan diet shows better

results against diabetes, than the ADA diet.

Just thought a few folks here would be interested in these links.

Thia

http://www.cbsnews. com/stories/ 2006/07/26/ health/webmd/ main1837927. shtml

http://diabetes. webmd.com/ news/20081001/ vegan-diet- good-type- 2-diabetes

http://www.pcrm. org/health/ clinres/diabetes .html

http://pcrm. org/news/ archive090430a. html

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[Guest guest]

On 5/25/09, Elaine Gibson <tex_emg@...> wrote:

>

> I am a type 1 diabetic. I can tell you that an ADA diet

> will put you in an early grave with horrid complications.

If you pay attention, you can see that there's product sponsorship

going on. When I've read ADA reccomendations, there are specific

product brands being mentioned. I don't want to trust my health with

anyone who's selling processed food endorsements!

> The main advice I can give you (as a nurse) is to keep

> your HA1C level at 6 or below. The ADA says 7. You will

> do better on a low fat or vegan diet if you stay away from

> the juices and certain fruit.

I don't do juices as they're not whole foods and have had all the

fiber stripped away. Store-bought juices are pasteurized as well and

my reading has led me to believe that cooked fruits are very bad for

people. (And not in the sense of " all cooked food is bad " but bad in

the sense that it's okay to have steamed or sautéd veggies but avoid

cooked fruits like the plague.)

Which fruit do you mean by " certain fruit " ? Dr. Barnard says avoid

pineapple because its glycemic index is too high but then has recipes

that include pineapple. When I asked about it, I was told that since

pineapple is a small flavoring in the recipe it balances out with

other very low glycemic foods in the dish.

I didn't eat pineapple for a year while doing Barnard but my A1c

readings were still around 9 unless I took tons of metformin (the

maximum dose) which would bring it down to about 7.5. When I switched

to high raw, I quit taking the metformin at the same time because it

made me so incredibly ill (and my body never adjusted to it as I was

told it would) that I was tired of being too sick to do anything (and

had just started graduate school and couldn't make it to classes

because I was too ill.) Two months after switching to high raw and

dropping the pills my A1c was 5.8 (and with the way A1c works, part of

that represented the time before the switch so the actual reversal was

likely more dramatic.0

Now I eat pineapple - sometimes half the fruit in one sitting. Last

week I had half a pineapple and a pound of strawberries for dinner.

Fruit is very heavy in my diet but it's working for me (I'm not saying

that it would work for every diabetic, of course.) I was just curious

if pineapple was one of the certain fruits you were thinking of or if

you meant other fruits.

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

Sorry I didn't answer sooner, I couldn't get this web site to come up. Your HA1C

is excellent !!!! Congratulations !!!!

 

You are right about the food endorsements, what a shame that most diabetics

don't realize this fact.

 As far as the fruits go, you can get a pretty good idea of how much to eat and

what, if you look at the glycemic index. I have trouble with watermelon, mangoes

and pineapple., and bananas. But I can eat a small amount with a meal and do ok.

Remember, I am a type 1 and without 2 kinds of insulin, I sport blood sugars in

the 300-400 range. So I have to be very careful what I do. I had a deadly

pituitary (brain) tumor that resulted in me having most of my pituitary removed,

(without a cure) and then both adrenals removed, (hence the pancreas ruptured

during surgery-resulting in type 1 diabetes). Now they (the doctors)  think I

should get radiation to the brain/pituitary to  " be sure " it is all gone.

 WHAT????? I think not, I choose a healthy, organic, vegetable oriented (lots of

sprouts) diet.

I take recommended nutritional supplements such as resveratrol, quercertin,

alpha lipoic, acai berry, coQ10, omega 3, royal jelly, milk thistle, cayenne,

tumeric, and high amounts of Vit d, magnesium, etc.

 

It seems you really know " your stuff " in reading your posts, and I always learn

something new, thank you for your posts! Anything else you can suggest? The

sprouts I start are usually broccoli, alfalfa, mung bean, clover, garlic, onion,

radish. I have tried to do arugula on a hemp sack, and they " spoil " within days.

Everything else is done in the easy sprouter.

 

Elaine 

 

 

>

> I am a type 1 diabetic. I can tell you that an ADA diet

> will put you in an early grave with horrid complications.

If you pay attention, you can see that there's product sponsorship

going on. When I've read ADA reccomendations, there are specific

product brands being mentioned. I don't want to trust my health with

anyone who's selling processed food endorsements!

> The main advice I can give you (as a nurse) is to keep

> your HA1C level at 6 or below. The ADA says 7. You will

> do better on a low fat or vegan diet if you stay away from

> the juices and certain fruit.

I don't do juices as they're not whole foods and have had all the

fiber stripped away. Store-bought juices are pasteurized as well and

my reading has led me to believe that cooked fruits are very bad for

people. (And not in the sense of " all cooked food is bad " but bad in

the sense that it's okay to have steamed or sautéd veggies but avoid

cooked fruits like the plague.)

Which fruit do you mean by " certain fruit " ? Dr. Barnard says avoid

pineapple because its glycemic index is too high but then has recipes

that include pineapple. When I asked about it, I was told that since

pineapple is a small flavoring in the recipe it balances out with

other very low glycemic foods in the dish.

I didn't eat pineapple for a year while doing Barnard but my A1c

readings were still around 9 unless I took tons of metformin (the

maximum dose) which would bring it down to about 7.5. When I switched

to high raw, I quit taking the metformin at the same time because it

made me so incredibly ill (and my body never adjusted to it as I was

told it would) that I was tired of being too sick to do anything (and

had just started graduate school and couldn't make it to classes

because I was too ill.) Two months after switching to high raw and

dropping the pills my A1c was 5.8 (and with the way A1c works, part of

that represented the time before the switch so the actual reversal was

likely more dramatic.0

Now I eat pineapple - sometimes half the fruit in one sitting. Last

week I had half a pineapple and a pound of strawberries for dinner.

Fruit is very heavy in my diet but it's working for me (I'm not saying

that it would work for every diabetic, of course.) I was just curious

if pineapple was one of the certain fruits you were thinking of or if

you meant other fruits.

Sparrow