Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I don't know guys... it up to you if you want to continue eating potatoes regularly.. For me, they will be an occassional food item, probably in the form of fries or chips. ________________________________ From: Thia .... <bipolyf@...> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:14:20 PM Subject: Re: lemon pudding/ (was Re: Dehydrating sprouts/Sparrow) Well, the second site (the " not toxic " one) still mentioned the " green part " and solanine. The part that's misleading about that, is it's not the green that is bad, but the green is an indicator that the bad is more concentrated. Thing is, it's the internet; anyone can write anything. Who do you trust? How about a page from The National Toxicology Program! http://ntp.niehs. nih.gov/index. cfm?objectid= 6F5E930D- F1F6-975E- 7037ACA48ABB25F4 (Who states that only some forms of cooking have any effect on lowering the solanine.) :~) Thia On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Cody <lecody2001 (DOT) com> wrote: > > > http://www.botanica l-online. com/patatasangle s.htm > > According to the above site.. it is toxic raw. > > Other sites say it is not toxic.. > http://www.food-info.net/uk/qa/qa-fp97.htm > > I think it tastes nasty raw and so I would not eat them that way. > According to Paleo, can't eat it raw, can't eat it cooked. So you have to > decide for yourself. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Oh yeah, it's certainly up to each individual to decide what they should, or should not eat. And of course, even if one feels they *should* not, some may still choose to eat whatever the item is. Most of us humans do. ly, if we all took everything to heart about what is bad for us, in some form or other, I am not so sure there would be much left to eat. Including some of our sprouts, like buckwheat greens, and I think I've even read something about alfalfa. (Nuts, seeds, and even greens have stuff that's not entirely good, too.) Thia <-- who eats a baked potato, sweet or white, from time to time. On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote: > > > I don't know guys... it up to you if you want to continue eating potatoes > regularly.. For me, they will be an occassional food item, probably in the > form of fries or chips. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 What's all this about potatoes? In moderation they're fine. There was a time when the Irish pretty much lived on potatoes...which is why there was a famine when the potatoes all rotted in the fields. Sherry > > > http://www.botanica l-online. com/patatasangle s.htm > > According to the above site.. it is toxic raw. > > Other sites say it is not toxic.. > http://www.food- info.net/ uk/qa/qa- fp97.htm > > I think it tastes nasty raw and so I would not eat them that way. > According to Paleo, can't eat it raw, can't eat it cooked. So you have to > decide for yourself. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 For most folks in the Midwest, when I was growing up, potatoes were a meal staple which were eaten most every day. We all seemed to end up fairly healthy and not keel over from toxins, so I'm assuming that they are ok to eat. I wouldn't try the raw white potatoes though. Barb > > > > > > > http://www.botanica l-online. com/patatasangle s.htm > > > > According to the above site.. it is toxic raw. > > > > Other sites say it is not toxic.. > > http://www.food- info.net/ uk/qa/qa- fp97.htm > > > > I think it tastes nasty raw and so I would not eat them that way. > > According to Paleo, can't eat it raw, can't eat it cooked. So you have to > > decide for yourself. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 On 4/25/09, Thia .... <bipolyf@...> wrote: > > Oh yeah, it's certainly up to each individual to decide what they should, or > should not eat. For the record, I hope no one ever thinks I'm trying to " convert " them when I talk about what I do or don't eat and why. That's never my intention. I'm just narcissistic enough to enjoy talking about myself *grin*. For a while, I was baffled as to why people would become angry when I talked about my exercise routine and exponentially angrier when I talked about my diet. Not all people, but those who did become angry often got furious and attacking. Then one day I was talking to a woman from my church and she was getting anxious and sad looking when the topic turned to food (she turned the topic that way, not me) and then she started resopnding to everything I was saying with, " I just couldn't do that! " and " oh, I couldn't live that way! " and it dawned on me that people personalize what I'm saying. So now I fantasize about writing a book titled, " I Wasn't Talking About You " . LOL! It's become my new catch-phrase as well. Whether I'm talking about bicycling everywhere or taking extra classes above my full-time graduate student load or what and how I eat or whatever . . .. as soon as it appears that the person I'm talking to has made my life be about them, out comes the phrase, " I wasn't talking about you. " So far it works pretty well - stops things in their tracks and doesn't come across as too rude. The tough ones are the ones that never say anything to cue in that they are internalizing my lifestyle - if they just come out swinging, there's no good segue to remind them that I was talking about *me*, not them. Eventually I'll learn how to defuse that as well. So . . . all that babbling is just to say: if anyone thinks I'm trying to say that anyone other than me ought to eat raw or follow natural hygiene or sprout fenugreek or whatever, I'm not. I might suggest trying it, like I did with fenugreek, but it's all personal choice and I totally don't judge people for choosing different ways than me! Just wanted to get that off my chest because I was afraid I might have been coming across as preaching or trying to convince others of the error of their ways. Hugs all 'round and a serving of your favorite beverage. Well met, all. Back to sprouting. (mmm.. a batch of radish sprouts on the way!) Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 On 4/25/09, Sherry Skapik <sherryskapik@...> wrote: > > What's all this about potatoes? In moderation they're fine. > There was a time when the Irish pretty much lived on potatoes... > which is why there was a famine when the potatoes all rotted > in the fields. That's kind of like saying the Titanic sank because there was a hole in its hull. One third of the Irish lived pretty much on potatoes because the near-feudalistic economic system forced monoculture - potatoes were the only crop that could be grown sufficiently densely to feed a family on the tiny allotment of land tenant farmers got to feed their own families on. Even before the famine, poverty was so bad that a third of tenant farmers couldn't feed their families after paying rent unless they " moonlighted " doing seasonal migrant labor on top of their home farming work. Potatoes were not native to Ireland - the wealthy introduced them to the country. Because they were a source of densely-grown calories, the poor were forced by economic hardship to live on practically nothing but potatoes. Because of the monoculture practices, when the blight hit, it wiped out all the food for about a third of the country who were already living so low that a hand-to-mouth existence would be a step up. One-fifth to one-quarter of the Irish starved to death. But the potato blight wasn't what killed them -- that was just the last straw. A semi-feudal economic system that forced the poor to live in a risky manner (with a general lack of education precluding their ability to understand the risks they were taking) is what killed them. At least in my opinion. Some of my economic professors might want to fight me on this issue. :-) Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I think it is interesting hearing what others are doing, not that I always agree with it, but it is a good way to try to decide if what someone else is doing would work for you. There are people that I care about that I would like to convince to live a different way so as to not damage their health more, but I find that most people don't want to change. I tell them how much better I feel by doing such and such and they think that is a marvelous idea, but they won't do it. Then again, what I do probably would not be right for everybody, but it is how I feel best for now. Thanks for all of your wonderful suggestions and ideas. It gets us thinking. Barb > > > > Oh yeah, it's certainly up to each individual to decide what they should, or > > should not eat. > > For the record, I hope no one ever thinks I'm trying to " convert " them > when I talk about what I do or don't eat and why. That's never my > intention. I'm just narcissistic enough to enjoy talking about myself > *grin*. > > For a while, I was baffled as to why people would become angry when I > talked about my exercise routine and exponentially angrier when I > talked about my diet. Not all people, but those who did become angry > often got furious and attacking. > > Then one day I was talking to a woman from my church and she was > getting anxious and sad looking when the topic turned to food (she > turned the topic that way, not me) and then she started resopnding to > everything I was saying with, " I just couldn't do that! " and " oh, I > couldn't live that way! " and it dawned on me that people personalize > what I'm saying. > > So now I fantasize about writing a book titled, " I Wasn't Talking > About You " . LOL! It's become my new catch-phrase as well. Whether I'm > talking about bicycling everywhere or taking extra classes above my > full-time graduate student load or what and how I eat or whatever . . > . as soon as it appears that the person I'm talking to has made my > life be about them, out comes the phrase, " I wasn't talking about > you. " So far it works pretty well - stops things in their tracks and > doesn't come across as too rude. The tough ones are the ones that > never say anything to cue in that they are internalizing my lifestyle > - if they just come out swinging, there's no good segue to remind them > that I was talking about *me*, not them. Eventually I'll learn how to > defuse that as well. > > So . . . all that babbling is just to say: if anyone thinks I'm trying > to say that anyone other than me ought to eat raw or follow natural > hygiene or sprout fenugreek or whatever, I'm not. I might suggest > trying it, like I did with fenugreek, but it's all personal choice and > I totally don't judge people for choosing different ways than me! > > Just wanted to get that off my chest because I was afraid I might have > been coming across as preaching or trying to convince others of the > error of their ways. Hugs all 'round and a serving of your favorite > beverage. Well met, all. > > Back to sprouting. (mmm.. a batch of radish sprouts on the way!) > Sparrow > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I have seen this too, the anger, when talking about what I consume with friends. I love to share things I've discovered, because I like to share joy. But yes, sometimes folks take things personally. What I see as wonderful, sometimes is seen as, well, coming off as holier-than-thou, and that I'm telling them they *should* be doing this too. Soooo not my intention! So far I haven't had the courage to outright say " I'm not talking about you! " . Good to know this works for you. Thia On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Sparrow R <sparrowrose@...>wrote: > > > For the record, I hope no one ever thinks I'm trying to " convert " them > when I talk about what I do or don't eat and why. ... ... I was baffled as > to why people would become angry ... ... it dawned on me that people > personalize > what I'm saying. > ... ... as soon as it appears that the person I'm talking to has made my > life be about them, out comes the phrase, " I wasn't talking about > you. " So far it works pretty well > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I've always liked raw potatoes ... even as a little kid I would munch on them when peeling them. I soon lost the job of peeling potatoes cause I would eat more of them than went in the cooking pot. Now, all grown up and raw vegan (I don't eat anything cooked), I still like them, but don't eat them that often ... however, every now and then I get a craving for a potato. I generally peel them and munch them down. Sweet potatoes are good that way too. I think it is cool hearing what other folks eat. Each one of us is a unique individual, so it seems prefectly reasonable that the food category would reflect that. > > > > > > > http://www.botanica l-online. com/patatasangle s.htm > > > > According to the above site.. it is toxic raw. > > > > Other sites say it is not toxic.. > > http://www.food-info.net/uk/qa/qa-fp97.htm > > > > I think it tastes nasty raw and so I would not eat them that way. > > According to Paleo, can't eat it raw, can't eat it cooked. So you have to > > decide for yourself. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Hey Sparrow, I really appreciate your emails and I can relate to things you say. When I talk about my exercise routine (lots of cardio, workouts, exercising) and how I eat (it is only a diet in the sense that diet is referring to style of eating) and how it all leads to the amount of weight I have lost so far, I try to preface and punctuate with " this is what I do, I'm not saying this is how you should be eating, it's just what I've been doing. " Though people I talk to about all this are usually people who have asked how I've done it or are in the nutrition classes I'm currently taking. And even when I talk to those who want to do what I'm doing I always say take it in stages, go slow when making changes, don't try to do it overnight because it won't stick. When I talk to people who have traditional western, even medical (worship at the altar of...) kind of view, it was very difficult for them to understand or connect with any of what I was saying.... about fat not being an enemy or causing heart problems, cholesterol isn't a bad thing, it's actually a good thing given a bad name, eat lots of meat fruits and vegetables and cut all the grain and simple sugar that you can. I eventually just gave up to save friendships and hope that when they see how much better I look in both losing weight and my skin looking clear and good, they may be more open to learning what I am doing and less resistant to the answers. G " It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are. " ~Cheryl Zuccaro On Apr 25, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Thia .... wrote: I have seen this too, the anger, when talking about what I consume with friends. I love to share things I've discovered, because I like to share joy. But yes, sometimes folks take things personally. What I see as wonderful, sometimes is seen as, well, coming off as holier-than-thou, and that I'm telling them they *should* be doing this too. Soooo not my intention! So far I haven't had the courage to outright say " I'm not talking about you! " . Good to know this works for you. Thia On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Sparrow R <sparrowrose@...>wrote: > > > For the record, I hope no one ever thinks I'm trying to " convert " them > when I talk about what I do or don't eat and why. ... ... I was > baffled as > to why people would become angry ... ... it dawned on me that people > personalize > what I'm saying. > ... ... as soon as it appears that the person I'm talking to has > made my > life be about them, out comes the phrase, " I wasn't talking about > you. " So far it works pretty well > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 When you say give?up grain do you still eat sprouted grains such as kamut or amaranth or Quinoa? Kathy :0) SANDHOLLOW SAVANNAH CATS SandHollowSavannahs.com Southwestern Utah Re: Potatoes Toxic? Hey Sparrow, I really appreciate your emails and I can relate to things you say. When I talk about my exercise routine (lots of cardio, workouts, exercising) and how I eat (it is only a diet in the sense that diet is referring to style of eating) and how it all leads to the amount of weight I have lost so far, I try to preface and punctuate with " this is what I do, I'm not saying this is how you should be eating, it's just what I've been doing. " Though people I talk to about all this are usually people who have asked how I've done it or are in the nutrition classes I'm currently taking. And even when I talk to those who want to do what I'm doing I always say take it in stages, go slow when making changes, don't try to do it overnight because it won't stick. When I talk to people who have traditional western, even medical (worship at the altar of...) kind of view, it was very difficult for them to understand or connect with any of what I was saying.... about fat not being an enemy or causing heart problems, cholesterol isn't a bad thing, it's actually a good thing given a bad name, eat lots of meat fruits and vegetables and cut all the grain and simple sugar that you can. I eventually just gave up to save friendships and hope that when they see how much better I look in both losing weight and my skin looking clear and good, they may be more open to learning what I am doing and less resistant to the answers. G " It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are. " ~Cheryl Zuccaro On Apr 25, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Thia .... wrote: I have seen this too, the anger, when talking about what I consume with friends. I love to share things I've discovered, because I like to share joy. But yes, sometimes folks take things personally. What I see as wonderful, sometimes is seen as, well, coming off as holier-than-thou, and that I'm telling them they *should* be doing this too. Soooo not my intention! So far I haven't had the courage to outright say " I'm not talking about you! " . Good to know this works for you. Thia On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Sparrow R <sparrowrose@...>wrote: > > > For the record, I hope no one ever thinks I'm trying to " convert " them > when I talk about what I do or don't eat and why. ... ... I was > baffled as > to why people would become angry ... ... it dawned on me that people > personalize > what I'm saying. > ... ... as soon as it appears that the person I'm talking to has > made my > life be about them, out comes the phrase, " I wasn't talking about > you. " So far it works pretty well > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 The only sprouted grains I eat at the moment (still in the giving up stage so not totally free) are sprouted wheatberries. I haven't attempted to sprout grains myself and all I've found so far are the wheatberries. Sorry not to be clear. I am giving up processed grains and the only bread I eat is Ezekial bread on a limited basis, and a tortilla occasionally for a wrap. And if I could find that sprouted would love it. I love oatmeal and granola but granola is more processed than I want so am looking for good no-bake versions of the granola bar and using rolled oats instead of instant. If I knew what to do with the grains you mentioned I might just try them. Also limiting rice to brown if I have it at all, not eating any starch if I can help it. G " It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are. " ~Cheryl Zuccaro On Apr 25, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Kathy at SandHollow Savannah Cats wrote: When you say give?up grain do you still eat sprouted grains such as kamut or amaranth or Quinoa? Kathy :0) SANDHOLLOW SAVANNAH CATS SandHollowSavannahs.com Southwestern Utah Re: Potatoes Toxic? Hey Sparrow, I really appreciate your emails and I can relate to things you say. When I talk about my exercise routine (lots of cardio, workouts, exercising) and how I eat (it is only a diet in the sense that diet is referring to style of eating) and how it all leads to the amount of weight I have lost so far, I try to preface and punctuate with " this is what I do, I'm not saying this is how you should be eating, it's just what I've been doing. " Though people I talk to about all this are usually people who have asked how I've done it or are in the nutrition classes I'm currently taking. And even when I talk to those who want to do what I'm doing I always say take it in stages, go slow when making changes, don't try to do it overnight because it won't stick. When I talk to people who have traditional western, even medical (worship at the altar of...) kind of view, it was very difficult for them to understand or connect with any of what I was saying.... about fat not being an enemy or causing heart problems, cholesterol isn't a bad thing, it's actually a good thing given a bad name, eat lots of meat fruits and vegetables and cut all the grain and simple sugar that you can. I eventually just gave up to save friendships and hope that when they see how much better I look in both losing weight and my skin looking clear and good, they may be more open to learning what I am doing and less resistant to the answers. G " It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are. " ~Cheryl Zuccaro On Apr 25, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Thia .... wrote: I have seen this too, the anger, when talking about what I consume with friends. I love to share things I've discovered, because I like to share joy. But yes, sometimes folks take things personally. What I see as wonderful, sometimes is seen as, well, coming off as holier-than-thou, and that I'm telling them they *should* be doing this too. Soooo not my intention! So far I haven't had the courage to outright say " I'm not talking about you! " . Good to know this works for you. Thia On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Sparrow R <sparrowrose@...>wrote: > > > For the record, I hope no one ever thinks I'm trying to " convert " them > when I talk about what I do or don't eat and why. ... ... I was > baffled as > to why people would become angry ... ... it dawned on me that people > personalize > what I'm saying. > ... ... as soon as it appears that the person I'm talking to has > made my > life be about them, out comes the phrase, " I wasn't talking about > you. " So far it works pretty well > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 On 4/25/09, <seraphimtoo@...> wrote: > > I eventually just gave up to save friendships and hope that > when they see how much better I look in both losing weight and my skin > looking clear and good, they may be more open to learning what I am > doing and less resistant to the answers. That's a wise move. When someone asks me how I lost all the weight and I sense that they're not going to be very receptive to the answer (or I'm in a lazy mood and don't feel like giving the real answer because it's too many words) I just smile and say " prayer. " Usually that gets a response like, " wow! Got to do some of that myself! " and the conversation moves to other topics. :-) Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 On 4/25/09, <seraphimtoo@...> wrote: > > I am giving up processed grains > and the only bread I eat is Ezekial bread on a limited basis, and a > tortilla occasionally for a wrap. And if I could find that sprouted > would love it. I moved from bread to Ezekiel bread to tortillas as a slow progression over time. What I moved to when I finally gave up tortillas was leaves. I roll things up in a romaine leaf or a collard leaf now. If you're trying to eventually give up all grains and you can eat large leaves like romaine and collard, give them a try and see if you like them as a sandwich/wrap substitute. They work out really well for me and are a great way to increase your greens if you want to get more greens in your diet. Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I like that answer. For the most part though, the people who ask me are those who want a real answer so I give a little bit of info (portions, less more often, and cutting carbs) and if they are receptive I give them more. The others who I don't think want the real answer I say " diet and exercise " that's all they need to hear. G " It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are. " ~Cheryl Zuccaro On Apr 25, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Sparrow R wrote: On 4/25/09, <seraphimtoo@...> wrote: > > I eventually just gave up to save friendships and hope that > when they see how much better I look in both losing weight and my skin > looking clear and good, they may be more open to learning what I am > doing and less resistant to the answers. That's a wise move. When someone asks me how I lost all the weight and I sense that they're not going to be very receptive to the answer (or I'm in a lazy mood and don't feel like giving the real answer because it's too many words) I just smile and say " prayer. " Usually that gets a response like, " wow! Got to do some of that myself! " and the conversation moves to other topics. :-) Sparrow ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Sounds good - I just put a handful of whatever I sprout into my protein drink and also when I make chili - right before I eat it I throw a good size handfull of any kind of sprouts in it and stir it and then serve it! Kathy :0) SANDHOLLOW SAVANNAH CATS SandHollowSavannahs.com Southwestern Utah Re: Potatoes Toxic? Hey Sparrow, I really appreciate your emails and I can relate to things you say. When I talk about my exercise routine (lots of cardio, workouts, exercising) and how I eat (it is only a diet in the sense that diet is referring to style of eating) and how it all leads to the amount of weight I have lost so far, I try to preface and punctuate with " this is what I do, I'm not saying this is how you should be eating, it's just what I've been doing. " Though people I talk to about all this are usually people who have asked how I've done it or are in the nutrition classes I'm currently taking. And even when I talk to those who want to do what I'm doing I always say take it in stages, go slow when making changes, don't try to do it overnight because it won't stick. When I talk to people who have traditional western, even medical (worship at the altar of...) kind of view, it was very difficult for them to understand or connect with any of what I was saying.... about fat not being an enemy or causing heart problems, cholesterol isn't a bad thing, it's actually a good thing given a bad name, eat lots of meat fruits and vegetables and cut all the grain and simple sugar that you can. I eventually just gave up to save friendships and hope that when they see how much better I look in both losing weight and my skin looking clear and good, they may be more open to learning what I am doing and less resistant to the answers. G " It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are. " ~Cheryl Zuccaro On Apr 25, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Thia .... wrote: I have seen this too, the anger, when talking about what I consume with friends. I love to share things I've discovered, because I like to share joy. But yes, sometimes folks take things personally. What I see as wonderful, sometimes is seen as, well, coming off as holier-than-thou, and that I'm telling them they *should* be doing this too. Soooo not my intention! So far I haven't had the courage to outright say " I'm not talking about you! " . Good to know this works for you. Thia On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Sparrow R <sparrowrose@...>wrote: > > > For the record, I hope no one ever thinks I'm trying to " convert " them > when I talk about what I do or don't eat and why. ... ... I was > baffled as > to why people would become angry ... ... it dawned on me that people > personalize > what I'm saying. > ... ... as soon as it appears that the person I'm talking to has > made my > life be about them, out comes the phrase, " I wasn't talking about > you. " So far it works pretty well > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I like those ideas. Will see if I can use them. Thanks G " It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are. " ~Cheryl Zuccaro On Apr 25, 2009, at 8:14 PM, Kathy at SandHollow Savannah Cats wrote: Sounds good - I just put a handful of whatever I sprout into my protein drink and also when I make chili - right before I eat it I throw a good size handfull of any kind of sprouts in it and stir it and then serve it! Kathy :0) SANDHOLLOW SAVANNAH CATS SandHollowSavannahs.com Southwestern Utah Re: Potatoes Toxic? Hey Sparrow, I really appreciate your emails and I can relate to things you say. When I talk about my exercise routine (lots of cardio, workouts, exercising) and how I eat (it is only a diet in the sense that diet is referring to style of eating) and how it all leads to the amount of weight I have lost so far, I try to preface and punctuate with " this is what I do, I'm not saying this is how you should be eating, it's just what I've been doing. " Though people I talk to about all this are usually people who have asked how I've done it or are in the nutrition classes I'm currently taking. And even when I talk to those who want to do what I'm doing I always say take it in stages, go slow when making changes, don't try to do it overnight because it won't stick. When I talk to people who have traditional western, even medical (worship at the altar of...) kind of view, it was very difficult for them to understand or connect with any of what I was saying.... about fat not being an enemy or causing heart problems, cholesterol isn't a bad thing, it's actually a good thing given a bad name, eat lots of meat fruits and vegetables and cut all the grain and simple sugar that you can. I eventually just gave up to save friendships and hope that when they see how much better I look in both losing weight and my skin looking clear and good, they may be more open to learning what I am doing and less resistant to the answers. G " It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are. " ~Cheryl Zuccaro On Apr 25, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Thia .... wrote: I have seen this too, the anger, when talking about what I consume with friends. I love to share things I've discovered, because I like to share joy. But yes, sometimes folks take things personally. What I see as wonderful, sometimes is seen as, well, coming off as holier-than-thou, and that I'm telling them they *should* be doing this too. Soooo not my intention! So far I haven't had the courage to outright say " I'm not talking about you! " . Good to know this works for you. Thia On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Sparrow R <sparrowrose@...>wrote: > > > For the record, I hope no one ever thinks I'm trying to " convert " them > when I talk about what I do or don't eat and why. ... ... I was > baffled as > to why people would become angry ... ... it dawned on me that people > personalize > what I'm saying. > ... ... as soon as it appears that the person I'm talking to has > made my > life be about them, out comes the phrase, " I wasn't talking about > you. " So far it works pretty well > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 On 4/25/09, <seraphimtoo@...> wrote: > > I like that answer. For the most part though, the people who ask me > are those who want a real answer so I give a little bit of info You are fortunate. I left at the end of one semester, weighing 253 pounds and returned at the beginning of another semester, weighing 185 pounds. I got a LOT of " wow! How did you do that? " from people who really didn't care how I did that, it's just a social thing to say, like how the grocery clerk says " how are you " and really couldn't care less how you are because they don't know you and are only going to have to interact with you for five minutes anyway. It's general social lubrication. I hate when people ask questions they don't want the answer to, but since I've learned that it's a sort of a social ritual to do that in some situations, I've gotten okay with it and actually make a little game out of what sort of answer I will give to those " non-questions. " Before I settled on " prayer " as my non-answer to the non-question, I had fun with " I followed a special new diet and exercise plan called Get Up Off Your Ass and Stop Eating Like an Idiot. " That one got huge laughs from some people and huge outrage from other people so I decided that even though it was pretty darned funny it probably wasn't a generally safe response. :-) Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 There aren't a lot of people who " knew me when " other than those at the gym. The places I go now are different as I am growing and changing into the person I want to be, leaving the heavier, unhappy, unsocial used-to-be-me behind. I also moved to this area heavy and didn't get to know very many people. S most of the people I encounter just see the newer, still thinning me. If I don't show them my drivers license they have no concept of the change. So I don't get a lot of the social questioning, if I do I might say " hard work " but I don't have a lot of patience for that kind of talk. G " It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are. " ~Cheryl Zuccaro On Apr 25, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Sparrow R wrote: On 4/25/09, <seraphimtoo@...> wrote: > > I like that answer. For the most part though, the people who ask me > are those who want a real answer so I give a little bit of info You are fortunate. I left at the end of one semester, weighing 253 pounds and returned at the beginning of another semester, weighing 185 pounds. I got a LOT of " wow! How did you do that? " from people who really didn't care how I did that, it's just a social thing to say, like how the grocery clerk says " how are you " and really couldn't care less how you are because they don't know you and are only going to have to interact with you for five minutes anyway. It's general social lubrication. I hate when people ask questions they don't want the answer to, but since I've learned that it's a sort of a social ritual to do that in some situations, I've gotten okay with it and actually make a little game out of what sort of answer I will give to those " non-questions. " Before I settled on " prayer " as my non-answer to the non-question, I had fun with " I followed a special new diet and exercise plan called Get Up Off Your Ass and Stop Eating Like an Idiot. " That one got huge laughs from some people and huge outrage from other people so I decided that even though it was pretty darned funny it probably wasn't a generally safe response. :-) Sparrow ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Oh I love that response - that's great! Now tell me how you started as I weigh about that much and my goal is 165-185 - I'm tall and look thin at 190 - well ok not thin but a heck of alot better than I do now LOL? oh yea - I hate vegetables and always have but I can eat salsa - I consider that my vegetable.? Just briefly tell me what you did your first month or so to get you started. Kathy :0) SANDHOLLOW SAVANNAH CATS SandHollowSavannahs.com Southwestern Utah Re: Potatoes Toxic? On 4/25/09, <seraphimtoo@...> wrote: > > I like that answer. For the most part though, the people who ask me > are those who want a real answer so I give a little bit of info You are fortunate. I left at the end of one semester, weighing 253 pounds and returned at the beginning of another semester, weighing 185 pounds. I got a LOT of " wow! How did you do that? " from people who really didn't care how I did that, it's just a social thing to say, like how the grocery clerk says " how are you " and really couldn't care less how you are because they don't know you and are only going to have to interact with you for five minutes anyway. It's general social lubrication. I hate when people ask questions they don't want the answer to, but since I've learned that it's a sort of a social ritual to do that in some situations, I've gotten okay with it and actually make a little game out of what sort of answer I will give to those " non-questions. " Before I settled on " prayer " as my non-answer to the non-question, I had fun with " I followed a special new diet and exercise plan called Get Up Off Your Ass and Stop Eating Like an Idiot. " That one got huge laughs from some people and huge outrage from other people so I decided that even though it was pretty darned funny it probably wasn't a generally safe response. :-) Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 We have a few different topics on the same thread here(: Here are my 2 cents: Potatos - part of the " nightshade " family..some of which are toxic..I avoid eggplants and green peppers and cut off the green parts of the tomatos. in anycase potatos are just simple sugar in the form of starch and hence not very beneficial.. grains - the main thing to avoid there is GLUTEN. pseudograins like Amaranth, Quinoa, Backwheat and wildrice are Gluten free and when sprouted are very nutritional. > > > > > > > For the record, I hope no one ever thinks I'm trying to " convert " them > > when I talk about what I do or don't eat and why. ... ... I was > > baffled as > > to why people would become angry ... ... it dawned on me that people > > personalize > > what I'm saying. > > ... ... as soon as it appears that the person I'm talking to has > > made my > > life be about them, out comes the phrase, " I wasn't talking about > > you. " So far it works pretty well > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 On 4/25/09, Kathy at SandHollow Savannah Cats <sandhollow@...> wrote: > > Just briefly tell me what you did your first month or so to get you started. The starter was that I quit eating any kind of meat or fish or dairy or egg. I ate lots of cooked grains, especially brown rice but also quinoa and millet and lots of bean stews. I made refried beans at home to avoid the sugars and additives and had lots of burritos in whole grain tortillas. I also switched to a whole-grain dark pumpernickel bread because it has the lowest glycemic index of yeast breads. Since I couldn't find an acceptable bread in the store and I have a bread machine, I started making my own bread. I'd measure out 3-5 loaves of dry ingredients, minus the yeast, in ziploc baggies on a weekend so that I could throw together bread in about a minute when rushed and just turn the machine on and let it go. I also started exercising - just fifteen minutes at a time at first because I was still having a lot of troubles with fasciitis and tendonitis (although it had gotten better at that point - before I couldn't even walk to the bathroom) but gradually building up . I did a lot of research about fasciitis and ended up healing it by doing the exact opposite of what my podiatrist told me to do. Basically, I started doing Sansone " Walk at Home " videos barefoot on a hardwood floor. My podiatrist had told me to never, ever go barefoot, not even for a moment, ever. But my research unearthed several studies of using barefoot walking to build up the foot muscles and heal/prevent fasciitis/tendonitis and it worked for me. Now I can walk as many miles as I want and if my feet start acting up, I spend some time doing barefoot workouts and they're fine again. So, anyhow, that's how I got started out. Going vegan, making beans the staple of my diet and getting a tiny bit of exercise had me losing a pound a day for the first couple of weeks. I continued to adjust my behavior, looking to my weight loss trajectory for guidance. My weight loss stopped when the semester started again and now in the last month of the semester, my weight has been going up. It's mainly a combination of stress and no time to go for the long (3-5 mile) walks I was going for while on vacation. Soon the semester will be over for the summer and the stress level will ease off and I will have time to walk again and I will lose the fifteen pounds I gained back and continue on my way down to the 140-150 range I'm shooting for. Hope any of this is helpful to you. Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I've also been buying big containers of organic baby spinach and spring mix at Costco; it's been an easy way for me to increase my greens. As much as I love salads I just don't eat two or three of them a day, but it's easy to throw a couple of handfuls of spinach in my morning smoothie. The extra salads that I do eat help with variation and extra greens. I've been using Ezekiel bread also, probably more than I should though. I LOVE bread but I am trying to reduce my intake. I also find it difficult to give up mayonnaise (I'm still transitioning into completely raw - there seem to quite a few of us here). I just love a good creamy dressing. I've made some really good nut dressings but they just aren't the same, maybe when I get a high powered blender I can achieve a creamier dressing, I don't know. But those are the things I've having the hardest time with. I'd feel more comfortable with dehydrated bread but haven't made one that I like the taste of yet, they end up tasting pasty. I do like the lettuce roll trick, it's usually messy but tasty and it satisfied that " pick up a sandwich and eat it " craving. Lorri _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sparrow R Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Potatoes Toxic? On 4/25/09, <seraphimtoo@ <mailto:seraphimtoo%40cox.net> cox.net> wrote: > > I am giving up processed grains > and the only bread I eat is Ezekial bread on a limited basis, and a > tortilla occasionally for a wrap. And if I could find that sprouted > would love it. I moved from bread to Ezekiel bread to tortillas as a slow progression over time. What I moved to when I finally gave up tortillas was leaves. I roll things up in a romaine leaf or a collard leaf now. If you're trying to eventually give up all grains and you can eat large leaves like romaine and collard, give them a try and see if you like them as a sandwich/wrap substitute. They work out really well for me and are a great way to increase your greens if you want to get more greens in your diet. Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I wish I like the taste of sprouts as much as some of you do. I love growing them and I do eat them, I just don't like them all that well. I don't understand why I like the commercially sold bean sprouts so much but not mine. Aren't the commercially sold ones altered chemically or something? Lorri _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kathy at SandHollow Savannah Cats Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: Re: Potatoes Toxic? Sounds good - I just put a handful of whatever I sprout into my protein drink and also when I make chili - right before I eat it I throw a good size handfull of any kind of sprouts in it and stir it and then serve it! Kathy :0) SANDHOLLOW SAVANNAH CATS SandHollowSavannahs.com Southwestern Utah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 LOL!!! Oh Sparrow, I like that one! I do have to admit that I'm one of those annoying people who ask " how are you " or say " have a good day " , funny thing is that I mean it. I really do care and I don't ask questions that I don't want real answers from. I do realize though that I'm not normal :-) Thankfully. Lorri _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sparrow R Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Potatoes Toxic? On 4/25/09, <seraphimtoo@ <mailto:seraphimtoo%40cox.net> cox.net> wrote: > I had fun with " I followed a special new diet and exercise plan called Get Up Off Your Ass and Stop Eating Like an Idiot. " That one got huge laughs from some people and huge outrage from other people so I decided that even though it was pretty darned funny it probably wasn't a generally safe response. :-) Sparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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