Guest guest Posted January 15, 2000 Report Share Posted January 15, 2000 GHB Kit/Ingredient Suppliers Kit suppliers used to abound on the internet. However, due to the over zealous actions of the DEA , FDA and other " law enforcement " agencies, all the kit makers in the U.S. have shut down. There still are a couple of kit makers in Canada and Europe. There are still sources of both GBL and NaOH in the US. Recommended Suppliers Pelchat Labs <http://www.pelchatlabs.com/>, has a very long standing reputation of honesty and reliability. Pelchat Labs claims to use food-grade NaOH and BASF electronic grade GBL. In all the posts I've read, there never has been anyone complaining about the quality of their kits. Unfortunately Pelchat stopped shipping kits to the U.S., but if you live outside the U.S. you can't go wrong with Pelchat Labs. If you live in the US and want the ease of a kit at a fraction of the cost of kits, I've found a great 2 source approach: AE Tech <http://www.pondman.nu/clpage.htm> sells GBL in 120 ml bottles as well as larger sizes (up to 5 gallons). 120 ml is the exact amount that Pelchat labs puts in there kits. AE Tech (AKA Dr. Benway) has probably the best reputation of all the GBL sellers, and the best customer care, they even replaced a leaky bottle for me at no cost with no hassles. AE Tech uses 99.97% pure BASF electronic grade GBL (The purest GBL available). There's really no reason to buy from anyone else. (NOTE: AE tech was not shipping in late October and November, because DR Benway was arrested. But he's back now and shipping again. All orders received in October and November, as well an current orders will be filled ASAP.) Vegan Soapworks <http://www.meer.net/~healing/soap.html> sells very pure NaOH in 63 gram bottles, this is just the right amount to react with 120 ml of GBL, they also sell pH test paper. Vegan Soapworks only claims that their NaOH is USP grade, however it tested >99%. I have had nothing but good experiences with Vegan Soapworks they have shown integrity and reliability equal to that of Pelchat labs. They also have 2 lb bottles of NaOH and KOH, they will sell larger amounts upon request. So far I have never needed to make any adjustments to the pH of the GHB I make with Vegan Soapworks <http://www.meer.net/~healing/soap.html> NaOH and AE Tech <http://www.pondman.nu/clpage.htm> GBL, nor boil off excess GBL. In Fact I have had better results with these " half kits " than with the kits I used to get. I recommend buying from these two companies. Warning: DO NOT mention GHB or exothermic reactions or ask any chemistry questions when communicating with Vegan Soapwork They are a real soap company. Soap is NOT a euphemism for GHB. I have had several emails from people who have had there orders refused because they ask GHB related questions. This is a great source please don't fuck it up by asking stupid questions or else they might stop selling NaOH without all the other soap making shit. Addition Suppliers Chemical Kits <http://www.chemicalkits.com> is located in western Europe, where GHB is legal. The Assays of there chemicals look very good and the proportions are also correct. I have heard no complaints about there kits. I have gotten a few reports from people about not receiving shipments (all in the US), my guess is that the shipments were intercepted. On Oct 3, I got 3 emails praising them, from supposedly three customers, and an email from chemicalkits telling the new URL; all sent within an hour from the same computer. The owner of Chemicalkits later informed me that they were sent by a well meaning, but misguided friend, and that he didn't have anything to do with it, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Inova <http://www.goodnet.com/~inova/> sells GBL in large sizes starting at 1/2 gallon. Inova offers FCC grade GBL. Most the reports I've gotten have said that the are pretty good about shipping, though one person claims he didn't get his shipment even after a month. I've heard no complaints about their GBL. MBEtech. <http://www.mbetech.net/> I would probably have to recommend AGAINST them as a source. Several posters in ADC have had negative experiences with their lactone which has left a few wondering whether their Gamma-Butyrolactone is really Beta-Butyrolactone. Miracle Cleaning Products. <http://www.angelfire.com/ar/lactone/>I really don't know much about them. I've tried several times to email them, but didn't get a reply. Their prices are higher for small quantities, but they have a good price if you want 5 gallons. Does anyone know if they are still in business? Other suppliers have been deleted at their request. If you have any info about these suppliers or know of any other Kit makers email me at chemgirl_kt@... " >chemgirl_kt@... <mailto:> GHB Synthesis Making GHB is easy if you take care to follow the necessary safety procedures. Read both the Pelchat Synthesis <http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis.html> and the Chem-R-Us Synthesis <http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis2.html> before trying to make it, then decide which method you want to try. I recommend the Chem-R-Us Synthesis <http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis2.html> because it's more precise and less likely to boil over, but the Pelchat Synthesis <http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis.html> is less work and quicker. If you prefer to make GHB powder you can use the GHB Synthesis in Alcohol. <http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/powdersynth.html> However, GHB should not be taken in powdered form unless you have very accurate laboratory balance top measure the final dose. Alert!!! H.R. 2130 <http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:h.r.02130:>has passed in the house, and in the Senate. This bill would make GHB a schedule 1 drug, so EVERYONE should write there the president urging him to veto the bill. Explain the valid medical uses of GHB and the low toxicity and relative safety compared to prescription drugs. This is our last chance, action must be taken!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2000 Report Share Posted January 15, 2000 Thanks Tom I really appreciate your quick and extremely helpfull response.I'll be sure to check out all the links.I'v posted one message that no one has responded to numerous times,and I can't figure out why,I simply asked if doctors in the United states are able to write a prescription for ghb?Maybe it's a stupid question that everone in the world but me knows the answer to.Perhaps you would be so kind to tell the last person in the world the answer. Thanks, Rick- Re: Synthesis and Beyond GHB Kit/Ingredient SuppliersKit suppliers used to abound on the internet. However, due to the overzealous actions of the DEA , FDA and other "law enforcement" agencies, allthe kit makers in the U.S. have shut down. There still are a couple of kitmakers in Canada and Europe. There are still sources of both GBL and NaOH inthe US. Recommended SuppliersPelchat Labs <http://www.pelchatlabs.com/>, has a very long standingreputation of honesty and reliability. Pelchat Labs claims to use food-gradeNaOH and BASF electronic grade GBL. In all the posts I've read, there neverhas been anyone complaining about the quality of their kits. UnfortunatelyPelchat stopped shipping kits to the U.S., but if you live outside the U.S.you can't go wrong with Pelchat Labs. If you live in the US and want the ease of a kit at a fraction of the costof kits, I've found a great 2 source approach: AE Tech <http://www.pondman.nu/clpage.htm> sells GBL in 120 ml bottles aswell as larger sizes (up to 5 gallons). 120 ml is the exact amount thatPelchat labs puts in there kits. AE Tech (AKA Dr. Benway) has probably thebest reputation of all the GBL sellers, and the best customer care, theyeven replaced a leaky bottle for me at no cost with no hassles. AE Tech uses99.97% pure BASF electronic grade GBL (The purest GBL available). There'sreally no reason to buy from anyone else. (NOTE: AE tech was not shipping inlate October and November, because DR Benway was arrested. But he's back nowand shipping again. All orders received in October and November, as well ancurrent orders will be filled ASAP.)Vegan Soapworks <http://www.meer.net/~healing/soap.html> sells very pureNaOH in 63 gram bottles, this is just the right amount to react with 120 mlof GBL, they also sell pH test paper. Vegan Soapworks only claims that theirNaOH is USP grade, however it tested >99%. I have had nothing but goodexperiences with Vegan Soapworks they have shown integrity and reliabilityequal to that of Pelchat labs. They also have 2 lb bottles of NaOH and KOH,they will sell larger amounts upon request.So far I have never needed to make any adjustments to the pH of the GHB Imake with Vegan Soapworks <http://www.meer.net/~healing/soap.html> NaOH andAE Tech <http://www.pondman.nu/clpage.htm> GBL, nor boil off excess GBL. InFact I have had better results with these "half kits" than with the kits Iused to get. I recommend buying from these two companies.Warning: DO NOT mention GHB or exothermic reactions or ask any chemistryquestions when communicating with Vegan Soapwork They are a real soapcompany. Soap is NOT a euphemism for GHB. I have had several emails frompeople who have had there orders refused because they ask GHB relatedquestions. This is a great source please don't fuck it up by asking stupidquestions or else they might stop selling NaOH without all the other soapmaking shit. Addition Suppliers Chemical Kits <http://www.chemicalkits.com> is located in western Europe,where GHB is legal. The Assays of there chemicals look very good and theproportions are also correct. I have heard no complaints about there kits. Ihave gotten a few reports from people about not receiving shipments (all inthe US), my guess is that the shipments were intercepted. On Oct 3, I got 3emails praising them, from supposedly three customers, and an email fromchemicalkits telling the new URL; all sent within an hour from the samecomputer. The owner of Chemicalkits later informed me that they were sent bya well meaning, but misguided friend, and that he didn't have anything to dowith it, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Inova <http://www.goodnet.com/~inova/> sells GBL in large sizes starting at1/2 gallon. Inova offers FCC grade GBL. Most the reports I've gotten havesaid that the are pretty good about shipping, though one person claims hedidn't get his shipment even after a month. I've heard no complaints abouttheir GBL. MBEtech. <http://www.mbetech.net/> I would probably have to recommendAGAINST them as a source. Several posters in ADC have had negativeexperiences with their lactone which has left a few wondering whether theirGamma-Butyrolactone is really Beta-Butyrolactone.Miracle Cleaning Products. <http://www.angelfire.com/ar/lactone/>I reallydon't know much about them. I've tried several times to email them, butdidn't get a reply. Their prices are higher for small quantities, but theyhave a good price if you want 5 gallons. Does anyone know if they are stillin business? Other suppliers have been deleted at their request.If you have any info about these suppliers or know of any other Kit makersemail me at chemgirl_kt@...">chemgirl_kt@... <mailto:> GHB SynthesisMaking GHB is easy if you take care to follow the necessary safetyprocedures. Read both the Pelchat Synthesis<http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis.html> and the Chem-R-Us Synthesis<http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis2.html> before trying to make it,then decide which method you want to try. I recommend the Chem-R-UsSynthesis <http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis2.html> because it's moreprecise and less likely to boil over, but the Pelchat Synthesis<http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis.html> is less work and quicker. Ifyou prefer to make GHB powder you can use the GHB Synthesis in Alcohol.<http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/powdersynth.html> However, GHB should not betaken in powdered form unless you have very accurate laboratory balance topmeasure the final dose. Alert!!!H.R. 2130 <http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:h.r.02130:>haspassed in the house, and in the Senate. This bill would make GHB a schedule1 drug, so EVERYONE should write there the president urging him to veto thebill. Explain the valid medical uses of GHB and the low toxicity andrelative safety compared to prescription drugs. This is our last chance,action must be taken!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2000 Report Share Posted January 15, 2000 Rick I think the reason you're not getting an answer is that none of are sure of the answer. I doubt that doctors can routinely prescribe GHB to patients, but I'm not sure. -gts Re: Synthesis and Beyond GHB Kit/Ingredient Suppliers Kit suppliers used to abound on the internet. However, due to the over zealous actions of the DEA , FDA and other " law enforcement " agencies, all the kit makers in the U.S. have shut down. There still are a couple of kit makers in Canada and Europe. There are still sources of both GBL and NaOH in the US. Recommended Suppliers Pelchat Labs <http://www.pelchatlabs.com/>, has a very long standing reputation of honesty and reliability. Pelchat Labs claims to use food-grade NaOH and BASF electronic grade GBL. In all the posts I've read, there never has been anyone complaining about the quality of their kits. Unfortunately Pelchat stopped shipping kits to the U.S., but if you live outside the U.S. you can't go wrong with Pelchat Labs. If you live in the US and want the ease of a kit at a fraction of the cost of kits, I've found a great 2 source approach: AE Tech <http://www.pondman.nu/clpage.htm> sells GBL in 120 ml bottles as well as larger sizes (up to 5 gallons). 120 ml is the exact amount that Pelchat labs puts in there kits. AE Tech (AKA Dr. Benway) has probably the best reputation of all the GBL sellers, and the best customer care, they even replaced a leaky bottle for me at no cost with no hassles. AE Tech uses 99.97% pure BASF electronic grade GBL (The purest GBL available). There's really no reason to buy from anyone else. (NOTE: AE tech was not shipping in late October and November, because DR Benway was arrested. But he's back now and shipping again. All orders received in October and November, as well an current orders will be filled ASAP.) Vegan Soapworks <http://www.meer.net/~healing/soap.html> sells very pure NaOH in 63 gram bottles, this is just the right amount to react with 120 ml of GBL, they also sell pH test paper. Vegan Soapworks only claims that their NaOH is USP grade, however it tested >99%. I have had nothing but good experiences with Vegan Soapworks they have shown integrity and reliability equal to that of Pelchat labs. They also have 2 lb bottles of NaOH and KOH, they will sell larger amounts upon request. So far I have never needed to make any adjustments to the pH of the GHB I make with Vegan Soapworks <http://www.meer.net/~healing/soap.html> NaOH and AE Tech <http://www.pondman.nu/clpage.htm> GBL, nor boil off excess GBL. In Fact I have had better results with these " half kits " than with the kits I used to get. I recommend buying from these two companies. Warning: DO NOT mention GHB or exothermic reactions or ask any chemistry questions when communicating with Vegan Soapwork They are a real soap company. Soap is NOT a euphemism for GHB. I have had several emails from people who have had there orders refused because they ask GHB related questions. This is a great source please don't fuck it up by asking stupid questions or else they might stop selling NaOH without all the other soap making shit. Addition Suppliers Chemical Kits <http://www.chemicalkits.com> is located in western Europe, where GHB is legal. The Assays of there chemicals look very good and the proportions are also correct. I have heard no complaints about there kits. I have gotten a few reports from people about not receiving shipments (all in the US), my guess is that the shipments were intercepted. On Oct 3, I got 3 emails praising them, from supposedly three customers, and an email from chemicalkits telling the new URL; all sent within an hour from the same computer. The owner of Chemicalkits later informed me that they were sent by a well meaning, but misguided friend, and that he didn't have anything to do with it, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Inova <http://www.goodnet.com/~inova/> sells GBL in large sizes starting at 1/2 gallon. Inova offers FCC grade GBL. Most the reports I've gotten have said that the are pretty good about shipping, though one person claims he didn't get his shipment even after a month. I've heard no complaints about their GBL. MBEtech. <http://www.mbetech.net/> I would probably have to recommend AGAINST them as a source. Several posters in ADC have had negative experiences with their lactone which has left a few wondering whether their Gamma-Butyrolactone is really Beta-Butyrolactone. Miracle Cleaning Products. <http://www.angelfire.com/ar/lactone/>I really don't know much about them. I've tried several times to email them, but didn't get a reply. Their prices are higher for small quantities, but they have a good price if you want 5 gallons. Does anyone know if they are still in business? Other suppliers have been deleted at their request. If you have any info about these suppliers or know of any other Kit makers email me at chemgirl_kt@... " >chemgirl_kt@... <mailto:> GHB Synthesis Making GHB is easy if you take care to follow the necessary safety procedures. Read both the Pelchat Synthesis <http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis.html> and the Chem-R-Us Synthesis <http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis2.html> before trying to make it, then decide which method you want to try. I recommend the Chem-R-Us Synthesis <http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis2.html> because it's more precise and less likely to boil over, but the Pelchat Synthesis <http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis.html> is less work and quicker. If you prefer to make GHB powder you can use the GHB Synthesis in Alcohol. <http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/powdersynth.html> However, GHB should not be taken in powdered form unless you have very accurate laboratory balance top measure the final dose. Alert!!! H.R. 2130 <http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:h.r.02130:>has passed in the house, and in the Senate. This bill would make GHB a schedule 1 drug, so EVERYONE should write there the president urging him to veto the bill. Explain the valid medical uses of GHB and the low toxicity and relative safety compared to prescription drugs. This is our last chance, action must be taken!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2000 Report Share Posted January 15, 2000 Thanks to all of you,I had asked my doctor about it and he no idea what I was talking about.I used to think that they couldn't but because of certain things I heard here,now I'm not sure.Hopefully the doctors online can shed some light. Rick- Re: Synthesis and Beyond GHB Kit/Ingredient SuppliersKit suppliers used to abound on the internet. However, due to the overzealous actions of the DEA , FDA and other "law enforcement" agencies, allthe kit makers in the U.S. have shut down. There still are a couple of kitmakers in Canada and Europe. There are still sources of both GBL and NaOH inthe US. Recommended SuppliersPelchat Labs <http://www.pelchatlabs.com/>, has a very long standingreputation of honesty and reliability. Pelchat Labs claims to use food-gradeNaOH and BASF electronic grade GBL. In all the posts I've read, there neverhas been anyone complaining about the quality of their kits. UnfortunatelyPelchat stopped shipping kits to the U.S., but if you live outside the U.S.you can't go wrong with Pelchat Labs. If you live in the US and want the ease of a kit at a fraction of the costof kits, I've found a great 2 source approach: AE Tech <http://www.pondman.nu/clpage.htm> sells GBL in 120 ml bottles aswell as larger sizes (up to 5 gallons). 120 ml is the exact amount thatPelchat labs puts in there kits. AE Tech (AKA Dr. Benway) has probably thebest reputation of all the GBL sellers, and the best customer care, theyeven replaced a leaky bottle for me at no cost with no hassles. AE Tech uses99.97% pure BASF electronic grade GBL (The purest GBL available). There'sreally no reason to buy from anyone else. (NOTE: AE tech was not shipping inlate October and November, because DR Benway was arrested. But he's back nowand shipping again. All orders received in October and November, as well ancurrent orders will be filled ASAP.)Vegan Soapworks <http://www.meer.net/~healing/soap.html> sells very pureNaOH in 63 gram bottles, this is just the right amount to react with 120 mlof GBL, they also sell pH test paper. Vegan Soapworks only claims that theirNaOH is USP grade, however it tested >99%. I have had nothing but goodexperiences with Vegan Soapworks they have shown integrity and reliabilityequal to that of Pelchat labs. They also have 2 lb bottles of NaOH and KOH,they will sell larger amounts upon request.So far I have never needed to make any adjustments to the pH of the GHB Imake with Vegan Soapworks <http://www.meer.net/~healing/soap.html> NaOH andAE Tech <http://www.pondman.nu/clpage.htm> GBL, nor boil off excess GBL. InFact I have had better results with these "half kits" than with the kits Iused to get. I recommend buying from these two companies.Warning: DO NOT mention GHB or exothermic reactions or ask any chemistryquestions when communicating with Vegan Soapwork They are a real soapcompany. Soap is NOT a euphemism for GHB. I have had several emails frompeople who have had there orders refused because they ask GHB relatedquestions. This is a great source please don't fuck it up by asking stupidquestions or else they might stop selling NaOH without all the other soapmaking shit. Addition Suppliers Chemical Kits <http://www.chemicalkits.com> is located in western Europe,where GHB is legal. The Assays of there chemicals look very good and theproportions are also correct. I have heard no complaints about there kits. Ihave gotten a few reports from people about not receiving shipments (all inthe US), my guess is that the shipments were intercepted. On Oct 3, I got 3emails praising them, from supposedly three customers, and an email fromchemicalkits telling the new URL; all sent within an hour from the samecomputer. The owner of Chemicalkits later informed me that they were sent bya well meaning, but misguided friend, and that he didn't have anything to dowith it, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Inova <http://www.goodnet.com/~inova/> sells GBL in large sizes starting at1/2 gallon. Inova offers FCC grade GBL. Most the reports I've gotten havesaid that the are pretty good about shipping, though one person claims hedidn't get his shipment even after a month. I've heard no complaints abouttheir GBL. MBEtech. <http://www.mbetech.net/> I would probably have to recommendAGAINST them as a source. Several posters in ADC have had negativeexperiences with their lactone which has left a few wondering whether theirGamma-Butyrolactone is really Beta-Butyrolactone.Miracle Cleaning Products. <http://www.angelfire.com/ar/lactone/>I reallydon't know much about them. I've tried several times to email them, butdidn't get a reply. Their prices are higher for small quantities, but theyhave a good price if you want 5 gallons. Does anyone know if they are stillin business? Other suppliers have been deleted at their request.If you have any info about these suppliers or know of any other Kit makersemail me at chemgirl_kt@...">chemgirl_kt@... <mailto:> GHB SynthesisMaking GHB is easy if you take care to follow the necessary safetyprocedures. Read both the Pelchat Synthesis<http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis.html> and the Chem-R-Us Synthesis<http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis2.html> before trying to make it,then decide which method you want to try. I recommend the Chem-R-UsSynthesis <http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis2.html> because it's moreprecise and less likely to boil over, but the Pelchat Synthesis<http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/synthesis.html> is less work and quicker. Ifyou prefer to make GHB powder you can use the GHB Synthesis in Alcohol.<http://lab.eccentrica.org/ghb/powdersynth.html> However, GHB should not betaken in powdered form unless you have very accurate laboratory balance topmeasure the final dose. Alert!!!H.R. 2130 <http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:h.r.02130:>haspassed in the house, and in the Senate. This bill would make GHB a schedule1 drug, so EVERYONE should write there the president urging him to veto thebill. Explain the valid medical uses of GHB and the low toxicity andrelative safety compared to prescription drugs. This is our last chance,action must be taken!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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