Re: Help me with my Pan Perfume, por favor

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-----Original Message-----

I have done some basic research on plants associated with Pan -- Crocus

(saffron), and the Greek Strawberry tree (andrakhnos), savory, reeds, oaks

and lotus. That's all I could find -- there must be more, perhaps in the

books and notes some of the members have in their reference library?

Hi Anya ,

The first time I smelled Philosykos perfume by Diptyque , the first thing

that flashed through my mind was that it reminded me of the god Pan.

The dry fig and white cedar really conjured up the image of the wild man in

the woods.

~Pixie

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At 07:25 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote:

>-----Original Message-----

>I have done some basic research on plants associated with Pan -- Crocus

>(saffron), and the Greek Strawberry tree (andrakhnos), savory, reeds, oaks

>and lotus. That's all I could find -- there must be more, perhaps in the

>books and notes some of the members have in their reference library?

>

>Hi Anya ,

>The first time I smelled Philosykos perfume by Diptyque , the first thing

>that flashed through my mind was that it reminded me of the god Pan.

>The dry fig and white cedar really conjured up the image of the wild man in

>the woods.

>

>~Pixie

Hi Pixie..

He is associated with woods -- the cedar. he's also associated with

" fields " . Hay, flouve?

That's stretching it, maybe.

Hmm... figs. A dry fruity accord, perhaps. I'm thinking succulence,

herbal breezes touched by salt also.

Anya

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Help me with my Pan Perfume, por favor

> Not only is Jitterbug Perfume, a novel strafed with the scent of the god

as

> he travels through the ages one of my favorite books, I have had great

> success with the tincture of billy goat hair, so I am ready to begin

> blending. Stinky, fun-loving, horny, rambunctious Pan -- this perfume has

> to be wild and crazy, and an homage to him.

>

**

And I will help you as I continue to believe in his power full strength, til

our collective consciousness brings Pan back to visible / smellable/

influential presence.

Patti, another Jitterbug fan.

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-----Original Message-----

He is associated with woods -- the cedar. he's also associated with

" fields " . Hay, flouve?

That's stretching it, maybe.

Hmm... figs. A dry fruity accord, perhaps. I'm thinking succulence,

herbal breezes touched by salt also.

Hi Anya,

I found these herbal associations with Pan:

Oak

Blessed Thistle

Cedar

Damiana

Rue

Vetiver

Cheers!

Pixie

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-----Original Message-----

A dry fruity accord, perhaps. I'm thinking succulence,

herbal breezes touched by salt also

I always like a bit of Gaiacwood to add saltiness to a fragrance.

Pixie

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> And I will help you as I continue to believe in his power full strength,

> til

> our collective consciousness brings Pan back to visible / smellable/

> influential presence.

> Patti, another Jitterbug fan.

I adore Pan myself......there has to be some surprise ingredients...a little

naughty and playful..

To me he is the woods, the mosses, plant life, and just plain lust.........

Whatever oils that bring that to mind......oakmoss, cedarwood is correct

and others like deep forest smells.

JoAnne

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I love Jitterbug Perfume - one of my favourite books ever!

For Pan, I associate him with anything to do with goats and shapards.

1) Costus root - it smells like goats to me, especially when fresh, but

than becomes sweeter and muskier with a hint of rosy floralness as it ages

2) Labdanum - the shepards in the Mediterranean used to collect the

resin from the goat's hair, as well as from the bushes, with a special

" comb " . It's sultry and animalic, one of my favourite notes as well.

3) Hay - isn't it what goast like to eat? Plus the meadow association,

not to mention the musky animalic nature of this rich absolute.

4) Bamboo - which is what his beloved girl turned into in the infamous

legend, and also what his pipes are made of. Good luck finding this note

5) Patchouli, Vetiver & Spikenard - these are earthy and grassy, like

moist soil. I find it very appropriate for a Pan perfume.

6) Anything that is associated with fertility and the earth - like

pomegranates, figs (how can you get this note?!), grapes (cognac and

grape alcohol , black currant buds will work well in lending a rich

fruity fertile note.

Good luck!

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(Edited by Liz to correct top post!!! Big Hint!)

On November 23, 2005 4:37 PM

Ayala Sender wrote:

I love Jitterbug Perfume - one of my favourite books ever!

<snip>

Just one more thought to add to the many you have received for Pan. Not only is

Pan half animal, but there is a true animalism about him. So, I would think

that a Pan fragrance needs animal notes. Blackcurrent bud abs. and/or ambrette

seed would go well. If real animal notes are allowed, a bit of civit abs.

Steve Earl

Glen Custom Perfumery

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I do know there are traditional magical oil formulas for Pan oil. Of course

you want to create your own version,but from what I can remember it has;

pine

patchouly

musk

cedar

oakmoss

and I think juniper

I will have to check my old Cunningham books.

Of course all that 'goaty' stuff would be perfect.

And speaking of 'goatlike' smells,this is totally OT,but whenever I read

anyones posts about goaty smells,I think of this song that came out in the early

90's. Its some woman,sort of talking through the whole song,about a boyfriend

that she had in high school. Well,she wears his sweater and she says " It has

that goatlike smell that all young boys possess " . I believe the song was called

'The sweater'and I always got a kick out of it,and that line in particular.

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On 24/11/05, Shea <goblinboy60660@...> wrote:

>

>

> And speaking of 'goatlike' smells,this is totally OT,but whenever I

> read anyones posts about goaty smells,I think of this song that came out in

> the early 90's. Its some woman,sort of talking through the whole song,about

> a boyfriend that she had in high school. Well,she wears his sweater and she

> says " It has that goatlike smell that all young boys possess " . I believe the

> song was called 'The sweater'and I always got a kick out of it,and that line

> in particular.

Hi

After much googling I found it!

By Cadell Meryn - full lyrics at

*http://tinyurl.com/8whpj*<http://tinyurl.com/8whpj>

Never heard of it before...

LLx

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On 24/11/05, Liz <liztams@...> wrote:

>

>

> On 24/11/05, Shea <goblinboy60660@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > And speaking of 'goatlike' smells,this is totally OT,but whenever I

> > read anyones posts about goaty smells,I think of this song that came out in

> > the early 90's. Its some woman,sort of talking through the whole song,about

> > a boyfriend that she had in high school. Well,she wears his sweater and she

> > says " It has that goatlike smell that all young boys possess " . I believe the

> > song was called 'The sweater'and I always got a kick out of it,and that line

> > in particular.

>

>

> Hi

> After much googling I found it!

> By Cadell Meryn - full lyrics at

*http://tinyurl.com/8whpj*<http://tinyurl.com/8whpj>

> Never heard of it before...

>

Oh boy! Just read it! The last line sums up NP v. Synthetics...

" The label in that sweater said " 100% Acrylic "

Anya, maybe you need an acrid/acrylic note for Pan? )

LLx

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Anya wrote:

> I have done some basic research on plants associated with Pan -- Crocus

> (saffron), and the Greek Strawberry tree (andrakhnos), savory, reeds, oaks

> and lotus. That's all I could find -- there must be more, perhaps in the

> books and notes some of the members have in their reference library?

>

Not scentually related......

Pan is the son of Hermes......

Spent a lot of his time time chasing and leading the Nymphs, with the

aid of his " flutes " ...

The big cats were sacred to Pan, as well as a number of other animals...

He's got a dark side, too.....

In the woods at night....strange music...

From him we get the word " panic " .....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

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..

<Hi

After much googling I found it!

By Cadell Meryn - full lyrics at

*http://tinyurl.com/8whpj*<http://tinyurl.com/8whpj>

Never heard of it before...

LLx>

Yes! That is the song! It's all coming back to me now. Thanks for getting that.

My friend and I used to hear that on our local 'alternative' station,and I just

recently remembered it-after all of the 'goat smell' talk in this group. Now,if

I could get the song....

The last line is great,isn't it!

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Bourbonais <gwb@...> wrote: Anya wrote:

> I have done some basic research on plants associated with Pan -- Crocus

> (saffron), and the Greek Strawberry tree (andrakhnos), savory, reeds, oaks

> and lotus. That's all I could find -- there must be more, perhaps in the

> books and notes some of the members have in their reference library?

>

<He's got a dark side, too.....

In the woods at night....strange music...

From him we get the word " panic " .....>

Yes,a sudden,unexplainable terror,often in lonely places.

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You have me laughing with that " goat smell " ! You know what it is from? That

distinctive musky smell is from the bucks peeing on their own faces for a very

Natural Perfume!! hehehehe

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Pan, the God of the woods AND fields . . . Flocks and shepherds . . . He

lived in grottos . . . the inventor of the syrinx, or shepherd's pipe, which

he himself played in a masterly manner, so music is a heavy influence. Some

think that Pan was considered the symbol of the Universe itself and hence,

the God of all Nature. He personifies the act of 'lifting the veil' and

seeing/perceiving reality as opposed to the 'glamour' that most see and

perceive. The ancients actually called this act (lifting the veil) " seeing

the God Pan " . He also projects " terror " and fear in some myths, which no

doubt is fear of the unknown.

Let's not forget that Pan is also the God of the breweries and most images

of him show grapes, pictorial for fermented spirits. Maybe cognac, too,

Anya? And, if making an alcohol-based perfume, I'd certainly consider grape

alcohol.

Be Strong,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane http://www.wingedseed.com

" When the power of love becomes stronger than the love of power, we will

have peace. "

Jimi Hendrix

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>

> Not only is Jitterbug Perfume, a novel strafed with the scent of

the god as

> he travels through the ages one of my favorite books, I have had

great

> success with the tincture of billy goat hair, so I am ready to

begin

> blending. Stinky, fun-loving, horny, rambunctious Pan -- this

perfume has

> to be wild and crazy, and an homage to him.

> Anya

> http://.com

> The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural

Perfume

> /

> Join to study natural perfumery

> " The Age of the Foodie is passé. It is now the Age of the Scentie. "

>

Anya,

Fir Balsam Absolute is just screaming to go in2 your Goat blend!

I have some from White Lotus that is absolutely georgous!!! Deep

woods earthy and ever so slightly animalistic mmmmm!

Kedra

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www.opusoils.com

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At 08:31 PM 11/23/2005, you wrote:

>In the woods at night....strange music...

>

> >From him we get the word " panic " .....

Hi :

Yes, my research turned up a lot of this information. I realize that this

perfume will have to be edgy, challenging, yet seductive and very sensual.

Anya

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At 10:46 PM 11/23/2005, you wrote:

>You have me laughing with that " goat smell " ! You know what it is from?

>That distinctive musky smell is from the bucks peeing on their own faces

>for a very Natural Perfume!! hehehehe

Yes, Gayla, peeing on the scent glands that exude a musky secretion. Many

of our best perfumes have now-mostly-abandoned animal essences to provide

the animalic pheromone. You can search in the archives for more on this.

Fascinating stuff. Cat-like creature poo-ish stuff, sacral stuff from musk

deer, whale vomit, beaver glands, rodent fossilized poo/pee, etc.

A little goat musk and pee is right up there with the other odorants.

Anya

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At 02:36 PM 11/24/2005, you wrote:

>Let's not forget that Pan is also the God of the breweries and most images

>of him show grapes, pictorial for fermented spirits. Maybe cognac, too,

>Anya? And, if making an alcohol-based perfume, I'd certainly consider grape

>alcohol.

Yes, grapes lusciously cascading. I vaguely remember some connection to

Dionysius, but I'm mixing countries, etc.

You know, other than the cloudiness factor, perhaps a truly cognac or

brandy-based perfume. Just thinking. Hmm.

Anya

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At 07:47 PM 11/24/2005, you wrote:

>Anya,

>Fir Balsam Absolute is just screaming to go in2 your Goat blend!

>I have some from White Lotus that is absolutely georgous!!! Deep

>woods earthy and ever so slightly animalistic mmmmm!

I just got some silver fir absolute from whitelotus just the other day.

It's not what I expected. I have fir absolute from another source (don't

use it much) and I was surprised at the non-fir smokey quality of this. I'm

not very experienced with firs -- can anybody help me here? Is the silver

fir supposed to be drier, less balsamy? No tree scent to me at all. :-(

Anya

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Subject: Re: Re: Help me with my Pan Perfume, por favor

At 07:47 PM 11/24/2005, you wrote:

>Anya,

>Fir Balsam Absolute is just screaming to go in2 your Goat blend!

>I have some from White Lotus that is absolutely georgous!!! Deep

>woods earthy and ever so slightly animalistic mmmmm!

I just got some silver fir absolute from whitelotus just the other

day.

It's not what I expected. I have fir absolute from another source

(don't

use it much) and I was surprised at the non-fir smokey quality of

this. I'm

not very experienced with firs -- can anybody help me here? Is the

silver

fir supposed to be drier, less balsamy? No tree scent to me at all.

:-(

Anya, I think any Conifer absolute is not going to be as fresh and vibrant

as the steam distilled version and will have a heavier, darker, more

resinous aspect. A good steam distilled Abies balsamea (needles) should

smell just like walking in the green, resiny forest after a fresh rain. One

of my favorite conifers (also needles) is Siberian . . . Abies siberica

Ledebour from NE Europe. My all time favorite was the Grand Fir (Abies

grandis) Christmas tree that we distilled a few years ago. What a job that

was, but much fun. I still have a wee bit of the oil and the hydrosol is

still vibrant and wonderful.

Since steam distilled Conifers are so fragile and have a short shelf life, I

wonder if the process of making an absolute will always result in a 'burned'

product. I don't really have a lot of experience with the absolutes . . .

Be Strong,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane http://www.wingedseed.com

" When the power of love becomes stronger than the love of power, we will

have peace. "

Jimi Hendrix

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> >Anya,

> >Fir Balsam Absolute is just screaming to go in2 your Goat blend!

> >I have some from White Lotus that is absolutely georgous!!! Deep

> >woods earthy and ever so slightly animalistic mmmmm!

>

> I just got some silver fir absolute from whitelotus just the other

day.

> It's not what I expected. I have fir absolute from another source

(don't

> use it much) and I was surprised at the non-fir smokey quality of

this. I'm

> not very experienced with firs -- can anybody help me here? Is the

silver

> fir supposed to be drier, less balsamy? No tree scent to me at

all. :-(

>

>

> Anya

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Perfume

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>

Anya,

I checked WL and it looks like the fir abs you just got is a

different species than the one that the one I have.. Mine is

from Canada (in my experience this is where the best Fir Balsams

come from) and it's scienticic name is Abies Balsamia. To me there

is a lot of tree scent in the one I have, unfortunately I didn't see

it listed any more on WL :-(( ... Too bad cause it really is quite

beautiful!! (in my opinion). I'm curious what you would make

of it, so I'll send you a little sniffer with the other samples

Best,

Kedra

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At 10:22 PM 11/25/2005, you wrote:

>Anya,

>I checked WL and it looks like the fir abs you just got is a

>different species than the one that the one I have.. Mine is

>from Canada (in my experience this is where the best Fir Balsams

>come from) and it's scienticic name is Abies Balsamia. To me there

>is a lot of tree scent in the one I have, unfortunately I didn't see

>it listed any more on WL :-(( ... Too bad cause it really is quite

>beautiful!! (in my opinion). I'm curious what you would make

>of it, so I'll send you a little sniffer with the other samples

I'm sure I'll find a use for the cooked-smelling fir I got, it's just I was

expecting the balsemy lovely tree scent. That's why it always pays to get

samples first -- but this stuff was inexpensive, so I took a gamble.

Anya

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<Yes, grapes lusciously cascading. I vaguely remember some connection to

Dionysius, but I'm mixing countries, etc.>

Anya,you are not mixing countries. Pan and Dionysius are both " from " Greece.