Re: direction of this discussion group

[Guest guest]

Hi Gordon my point on getting on him is his arrogance ...I am a Catholic

also a republican also in need of information on antiaging... he sends

harsh anti religion posts with no regard to other people views or

beliefs... We can debate the merits of stem stem research ( i am for

it)without bringing in the pope or politics...he sends very informative

post (sorter of like the cow that gives a good bucket of milk and then

kicks it over)

[Guest guest]

Hi Gordon. How come you are not as active a participant on this

list as you were in anti aging? Let me take this opportunity to ask you

a question: Bob Cruder mentioned some time ago that he thought gh

injections would cause as much harm in people as they would benefits. I

asked him to substantiate that position with a study which showed gh

caused any negative side effects whatsoever when administered in a

low-dose, high frequency, cycled regiment. I don't believe any such

study exists, but I wanted to ask you -- do you know of any credible

study which shows that taking 1 i.u. or 1.5 i.u. per day with at least

one day off during the week produces side effect in people? I know of

only complaints about joint aches which clear up after about a month or

are lessened by further reduction in dose. This is important to me as I

have begun my rather modest gh regiment and I want to keep abreast of

all the risks. Thanks.

gts wrote:

>> Has anybody else noticed since Cruder took over this group how quiet it

>> got ???

>

>

> This is the second time you've complained about Bob Cruder. As the

> owner/manager/founder of this discussion group I think I should step in and

> state that in my opinion Bob Cruder is a valuable asset here. I disagree

> with him myself at times but in general I think his messages are eloquent,

> useful and accurate.

>

> I do hope we can avoid making this into a place for people to grandstand

> about politics and religion, subjects about which intelligent people can and

> always will disagree. Let's try to avoid stating propositions and opinions

> that cannot in principle be tested empirically.

>

> -gts

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[Guest guest]

I agree with you about his tone, dave. One time bob posted a

statement about the side effects of gh wherein he purported to have a

basis for the statement. When I asked him to cite for me the

justification of his premise, his reply was: " you go look it up. " It was

as if he had ascended to such a level of authority that he could state

things as " knowledge " without having to fuss with what others might

think of the justification for his views. So, yes, he is arrogant. But I

suppose the best way to combat this is to ignore it. I agree with Gordon

that it is better to have arrogant people contributing information and

analysis as opposed to having properly-mannered people give us a bunch

of anecdotal stories. I do think, however, that when people assert

premises they should be able to provide their justification. This is the

only way people can make up their own minds and learn. No one should be

above that.

dave236@... wrote:

> Hi Gordon my point on getting on him is his arrogance

[Guest guest]

Whooo, (and Bob Cruder)

> Hi Gordon. How come you are not as active a participant on this

> list as you were in anti aging?

Too busy these days! Perhaps in a week or two things will slow down again so

that I can participate more.

> Let me take this opportunity to ask you

> a question: Bob Cruder mentioned some time ago that he thought gh

> injections would cause as much harm in people as they would benefits.

Yes I would have liked to have engaged him there, but again I was too busy.

> do you know of any credible

> study which shows that taking 1 i.u. or 1.5 i.u. per day with at least

> one day off during the week produces side effect in people?

To my knowledge there is no evidence whatsoever that such a modest protocol

produces any dangerous side-effects.

If I had to criticize Bob it would be in that he seems biased as a result of

his apparent belief that these discussion groups are inundated with

overzealous users and profit-seeking promoters of anti-aging products. As a

result of this false perception he seems to feel an over-riding need to

debunk any idea that he thinks might possibly turn out to be only a popular

myth. Some such skepticism is healthy of course but I think his is excessive

and that it sometimes leads him to miss the mark. I think he sometimes tilts

at windmills, just as he did with n-acetyl-cysteine and then with growth

hormone therapy.

But oh well! Every group needs a skeptic to keeps things in balance and I

think Bob's biases are a small price for us to pay for his generally

excellent and informative contributions.

-gts

[Guest guest]

gts: I am grateful for the spark of truth that Mr Cruder's flinty rejoinders

provide, but, more so, for the lesson in moderation that you offer as a

guide to forum management.

RE: direction of this discussion group

> Whooo, (and Bob Cruder)

>

> > Hi Gordon. How come you are not as active a participant on this

> > list as you were in anti aging?

>

> Too busy these days! Perhaps in a week or two things will slow down again

so

> that I can participate more.

>

> > Let me take this opportunity to ask you

> > a question: Bob Cruder mentioned some time ago that he thought gh

> > injections would cause as much harm in people as they would benefits.

>

> Yes I would have liked to have engaged him there, but again I was too

busy.

>

> > do you know of any credible

> > study which shows that taking 1 i.u. or 1.5 i.u. per day with at least

> > one day off during the week produces side effect in people?

>

> To my knowledge there is no evidence whatsoever that such a modest

protocol

> produces any dangerous side-effects.

>

> If I had to criticize Bob it would be in that he seems biased as a result

of

> his apparent belief that these discussion groups are inundated with

> overzealous users and profit-seeking promoters of anti-aging products. As

a

> result of this false perception he seems to feel an over-riding need to

> debunk any idea that he thinks might possibly turn out to be only a

popular

> myth. Some such skepticism is healthy of course but I think his is

excessive

> and that it sometimes leads him to miss the mark. I think he sometimes

tilts

> at windmills, just as he did with n-acetyl-cysteine and then with growth

> hormone therapy.

>

> But oh well! Every group needs a skeptic to keeps things in balance and I

> think Bob's biases are a small price for us to pay for his generally

> excellent and informative contributions.

>

> -gts

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi gordon..i.m dave(bob) what.ever...i am now just getting over shingles

thank god after two mo's.. my MD just gave me script for humatrope my

IGF-1 131 i am 66y/o male he wants to start me at 4units wk. than adjust

after blood test in thirty days...i am on 5 mg testosterone gel..wants

to up it 7.5 ..also i take udo'd choice (flax seed mix.)magnesium

citrate..1ooo mg vit.C 3xday rutin..pantothentic acid.. golden seal..

saw palmetto.. folic acid..beta carotene daily... DR. told me to stop

the aminos (aplg) now i am in the process of buying rhgh my DR. does

not sell anything ...he advised me not to buy chinese hgh for the fact

you don't know how it stored or maintained ...what do you think of

Somatropin CO op at $10.50 per unit...would really appreciate your

expertise on this..I want to thank you for your encouragement ...I have

been lurking for over a year and heard all sides ..you and ellis won me

over to your side only because of the fact that the evidence was on your

side and the very easy understandable way you both explained and

defended your positions...thank you whooo let me know how you are doing

with the hgh...Dave/bob

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob, can you share which Coop you have joined to

purchase HGH for $10.5 p/i.u. ? Lowest in the US I

could find was $12 p/i.u. thanks.

--- dave236@... wrote:

> hi gordon..i.m dave(bob) what.ever...i am now just

> getting over shingles

> thank god after two mo's.. my MD just gave me script

> for humatrope my

> IGF-1 131 i am 66y/o male he wants to start me at

> 4units wk. than adjust

> after blood test in thirty days...i am on 5 mg

> testosterone gel..wants

> to up it 7.5 ..also i take udo'd choice (flax seed

> mix.)magnesium

> citrate..1ooo mg vit.C 3xday rutin..pantothentic

> acid.. golden seal..

> saw palmetto.. folic acid..beta carotene daily...

> DR. told me to stop

> the aminos (aplg) now i am in the process of buying

> rhgh my DR. does

> not sell anything ...he advised me not to buy

> chinese hgh for the fact

> you don't know how it stored or maintained ...what

> do you think of

> Somatropin CO op at $10.50 per unit...would really

> appreciate your

> expertise on this..I want to thank you for your

> encouragement ...I have

> been lurking for over a year and heard all sides

> ..you and ellis won me

> over to your side only because of the fact that the

> evidence was on your

> side and the very easy understandable way you both

> explained and

> defended your positions...thank you whooo let me

> know how you are doing

> with the hgh...Dave/bob

>

>

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[Guest guest]

hi cathy...SOMATROPINONLINE.COM....when you log on to the site look for

the toll free phone no. and call...they have volunteers who gladly will

help you...hope this helps and good luck...