ketosis, low-carb dieting and growth hormone

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Your logic is backwards again, Greg, but I'm not going to bother too much

with this as I more or less stopped participating on this AAR mailing list

long ago. I only cross-post here occasionally.

I think your concerns about niacin are petty and trivial and so I won't

bother to address them. I am concerned mainly with your misleading message

to people to avoid low-carb ketogenic diets based on your strange belief

that such diets cause them to fall out of that magical kingdom in your

imagination that you call " The GH Friendly Zone " .

I think your so-called GH Friendly Zone must be somewhere inside The

Twilight Zone because evidently you fail completely to realize that

overweight people who contemplate ketogenic diets are *already*

disadvantaged with regard to GH release. You fail to recognize that they

*already* have high levels of FFA in their blood. You fail to recognize that

they *already* suffer from low GH release. You fail to recognize that they

*already* suffer from the same condition you hope to help them avoid!

They go into ketosis in order to lose weight and *escape* that condition,

Greg. And for many or most people the strategy works *wonderfully*. When

they reach their target weight they start adding back more fruits and

vegetables and thus go out of ketosis and then as a consequence of being

slim and healthy they produce more GH!

So then ketogenic diets are not a part of their problem, Greg. On the

contrary, ketogenic diets are an important part of their *SOLUTION*.

Ketosis is not, as you suggest, something to be avoided by overweight

dieters who seek higher GH and IGF-1. In reality, THE EXACT OPPOSITE IS

TRUE.

But I have the neither the time nor the energy to argue in any more detail

with you on this AAR mailing list. I know from the past that people here

prefer little or no sharp disagreement between subscribers and I know that

many people here for some strange reason do not seem to mind being spoon-fed

your latest bogus ad-hoc theories as gospel.

-gts

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Re: [AntiAgingResearch] Re: Niacin

> From: Greg <gowatson@...>

>

> gts wrote:

> >

> > I notice that Greg has been stirring up a lot of controversy

lately

> > on various different mailing lists about niacin, ketosis, FFA and GH. I

> > don't think so much concern is warranted on these subjects.

>

> Hi Gordon,

> As to Ketosis, the facts are simple. Ketosis requires high levels of

> FFAs and empty Glycogen stores. The Liver then converts excess FFAs

> into Ketones which can be used by the brain to replace Glucose. The

> body also uses Ketone production to try to reduce high levels of FFAs as

> stress hormone (intense exercise) driven Lipolysis can generate very

> high FFA levels.

>

> The body does this (makes Ketones) as it is not possible for our body to

> convert Fat into Glucose.

>

> Now to the GH tie-in. Ketosis requires high levels of FFAs. FFA levels

> directly inhibit GH release at both the pituitary and the hypothalamus.

>

> Children who are placed on Ketosis diets exhibit stunted growth. Wonder

> why?

>

> GH driven Lipolysis doesn't kick the body into Ketosis as the GH

> releases level reduces as FFA levels increase. GH produces a regulated

> FFA release. Other Ketonic hormones don't.

>

> Many people can't medically handle Ketosis and others find the " Bottom

> of the Bird Cage Breath " too much to handle.

>

> Ketosis doesn't make you lose any more weight than a non-Ketonic state.

> It just means that you are running out of Glucose and have excess FFAs

> in the blood.

>

> Weight loss is driven by reducing calorie intake below that burnt and /

> or increasing the amount of energy burnt to greater than the intake.

>

> Proper food choice can somewhat effect where excess calories are stored.

>

> --

> Good Health & Long Life,

> Greg ,

> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~gowatson

>

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